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New 'Lupin III' Commentary Track Celebrates The Glories Of Ignoring Copyrights (terrania.us)

In 2004, film critic Roger Ebert "realized that auteurs weren't the only ones who had things to say about movies, and suggested that experts in other fields or even just fans of the movies could create MP3 commentary tracks to discuss their favorite films, which could then be downloaded and played alongside them." This inspired Slashdot reader #14,247 to produce his own commentary on Hayao Miyazaki's first movie, Lupin III: Castle of Cagliostro -- and 13 years later, to release a new commentary track celebrating the film's 35th anniversary. Robotech_Master writes: Among other things, it offers proof that excessive copyright really harms creativity by restricting the uses people are able to make of prior art -- by showing what can happen when people get away with ignoring copyright and creating anyway. Not only were Lupin III and Cagliostro effectively inspired as "fanfic" of characters and works that had come before, many of those characters and works were effectively fanfic themselves -- and Cagliostro in turn inspired parts of a number of other works that came afterward, including a couple by Disney.
Anyone else have a favorite example of a movie that bends the rules of copyright law?

71 comments

  1. Deep Throat (1972) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Which kicked off a brief Golden Age in American cinema.

  2. How about "The Lion King"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting
    1. Re:How about "The Lion King"? by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      aka Hamlet with big cats.

    2. Re:How about "The Lion King"? by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2
    3. Re:How about "The Lion King"? by Robotech_Master · · Score: 1

      And, for that matter, Disney recycled the climactic fight scene from Cagliostro into the climax of The Great Mouse Detective. :)

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  3. Disney by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Disney makes it's money from redoing fairy tales. Pinocchio, Peter Pan, Snow White, Cinderella, Beauty and the Beast, Sleeping Beauty, The Jungle Book. If the current "forever" copyright regime had been in place when those stories were first written Disney would not have been able to take and make them its own.

    1. Re: Disney by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's why they had it enacted afterwards, you see.

    2. Re:Disney by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the current "forever" copyright regime had been in place when those stories were first written Disney would not have been able to take and make them its own.

      If the internet or another form of cheap content duplication did not exist, publishers would still be making millions on paperback reprints of timeless classics like Peter Pan and Cinderella. So, pre-internet, copyright law favored publishers, who paid a measly 5-10% of sales as royalty to authors. After 50 to 100 years, when the copyright expired, they still made money from the classics without paying any royalties.

      So copyright law should've been "forever." But the greedy publishers/government decided to screw the authors and made copyright length limited to roughly the life of the author + few years.

      Real estate rights are forever, then why not copyright?

    3. Re:Disney by turbidostato · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Real estate rights are forever, then why not copyright?"

      I will answer from a USA point of view (despite me not being USA citizen myself. The argument can be generalized, but I find the USA example makes for a magnificent example, both because of its clarity and high visibility).

      Because the USA Constitution doesn't enact real state rights "To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries."

      That means:
      1) This should be enacted for as long as it secures the goal it was created for: if it doesn't promote the progress of science and useful arts, then it is unconstitutional.
      2) If it goes beyond the constitutional mandate, by doing it by other ways than securing to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries, then it is also unconstitutional.
      3) If it secures those rights for anything else than limited times, then it is also unconstitutional.

      Of course you don't need to agree with those terms and you could call for an amendment for the constitution but, in the meantime, that's it what it is.

    4. Re:Disney by ATMAvatar · · Score: 2

      Real estate rights are forever, then why not copyright?

      For one reason: neither the buildings nor the land they rest upon can be duplicated, let alone for zero cost. Another is that society obtains greater benefit when ideas and works are spread more widely.

      Intellectual property law exists solely for the purpose of encouraging individuals to share their works by granting a limited monopoly on them so they can gain monetary benefit from doing so. This is done with the understanding that some non-zero fraction of inventors and artists would refrain from doing so in the absence of this protection. The end goal is to maximize the spread of ideas.

      The problem is that people do not all agree as to how long various intellectual property protections should last in order to accomplish this goal.

      When it comes to discoveries and inventions, larger proportions of them now require teams rather than individuals and large amounts of resources. The entities now predominantly holding ownership of these properties are functionally immortal, hold large influence over the lawmaking process, and arguably care little for the societal benefit of eventually releasing ideas into the public domain. This is further complicated by the growing realization that intellectual property protections can also serve to substantially hinder the birth and spread of new ideas.

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    5. Re:Disney by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      "Real estate rights are forever, then why not copyright?"

      Because intellectual property should NOT be like real estate!

      I would like to see IP be treated as a personal right of the creator of work - inalienable, like free speech, rather than as a detachable right that can be sold off and then traded independently of the creator. It would mean that all arrangements for commercial use of IP would have to include and be by assent of the creator. If you hired someone for her inventions, you would no longer be able to toss that person aside at implementation and replace her with outsourced minions

      But IP rights would exist only for the life of the creator. Your lazy-ass children would have to go out and get real jobs of their own.

    6. Re:Disney by turbidostato · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Part (b)'s "limited times" is not necessary to achieve part (a)'s "progress of science and useful arts," "

      No, it isn't (while it is arguably). Nevertheless that's the Constitution's wording so, unless you change it, as I already said, that's it what it is.

      "Both copyright law and patent laws' "limited times" are designed screw the working class creative people"

      Maybe, but not the way you seem to imply. The problem is on the legal definition of "authors and inventors" since, as of now, it extends to whomever they sell their copy-rights.

      "It's designed to prevent the poor but brilliant creative people from becoming very rich"

      An affirmation without substantiation. How is that the case?

      "You still have to pay for cost+profit to buy a simple invention like a paperclip, long after its inventor is dead"

      No, you don't. You pay cost+profit to *produce* a paperclip, not for its shape and ingeniousness which are, long ago, freely available. And then, you are confusing patents with copyrights. Patents extend just 20 years from description full stop. It is copyrights which go "for as long as the author lives and then more".

      And then again, main problem with current copyright laws is not the copy of an item on itself but that it goes against the "promotion of progress" clause as it limits the ability of others of building on top of what's already available. As it's been already told, if Disney were entered the market under the copyright laws Disney itself promotes, it would have been impossible for it to success as no Cinderella, Whitesnow, Pinoccio... would have been possible -and the arts would have suffered as those films are in fact worthy contributions built on top of others'.

    7. Re:Disney by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because intellectual property should NOT be like real estate!

      Because IP ceases to become valuable 20 to 100 years after it's created? Because you're a cheapskate and want stuff for free? What's the real reason?

      But IP rights would exist only for the life of the creator. Your lazy-ass children would have to go out and get real jobs of their own.

      Why don't we also tell that to the lazy-ass children who inherit any/all of these from their parents: money, cars, houses, businesses?

      I bet the cars of private citizens can be put to better use by transporting 6 to 7 poor or homeless all day long rather 1 or 2 persons twice a day by their children. I bet those houses that home 2 or 3 children can be used to house 20 homeless people. Funny how the socialist causes disappear when it comes to assets of the rich.

      Face it, copyright laws are designed to steal from the creative people and further enrich the wealthy people. Of course, your kind also intends to steal from the creative people with your constant "free speech" crap.

    8. Re:Disney by ewibble · · Score: 1

      Because when I take you someone's real estate they no longer have it, and cannot use it.
      Because when you own real estate and are the first person to build a house, with an indoor toilet on it it does not prevent everyone else in the world building a house with an indoor toilet.

      Ideas are not finite assets that can be used up like real estate, there use and improvement over time leads immense gains to society even the original creator. Imagine if the first person to come up with fire said right nobody else can use it, or any derivative without my permission. All modern inventions would not exist, we would still be living day to day paying the inventor of fire descendants every time we want to rub two sticks together.

    9. Re:Disney by zedaroca · · Score: 1

      Because copyright is not a real right. It is actually a limitation on someone else's right of speech and of movement.
      I cannot move my fingers on a piano in a way that reproduces a song protected by copyright., or talk words written by others, or paint an image that is similar to someone else's picture.
      This "protection" is actual physical restraint over people's bodies. It is a limitation over natural rights.
      Such violence shouldn't be accepted even for a period of time, people that do not want to be copied should keep their stuff in secret, but the claim is that because society will benefit from the sharing (publishing) of said information, it is reasonable to apply such limitation on everyone for "promoting the progress of science and useful arts".

    10. Re:Disney by modecx · · Score: 1

      Real estate rights aren't unlimited and forever. For one, you have to pay property tax; if you don't, the government puts a lien on your title. If you fail to maintain your property and let weeds and shit accumulate, they will mow it down and put a lien on your title. Do any of the above for too long, they sell the lien and you no longer own your property, and *force you off of it*. If your property becomes a blight to the community, the government can use eminent domain to kick you off, and remunerate you market value, which, conveniently, they determine.

      Maybe that's the answer? Make registered copyright holders pay taxes proportional to market value, so that copyright...uh...rights are upheld? If you commercially abandon a copyrighted product, it enters the public domain. If you die and your kin find your copyrighted works to be worth less than the copyright tax, it enters the public domain. Seems fair enough.

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    11. Re:Disney by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Part (b)'s "limited times" is not necessary to achieve part (a)'s "progress of science and useful arts," especially when it comes to copyrighted writings. After all, you still have to pay $5-$10 for a paperback copy of some classic (out-of-copyright) book.

      (1) Project Gutenberg. (2) Derivative works.

      Inventions can also be "forever," as long as there is no monopoly and a reasonable royalty (5-10% of product price goes to all inventors) after a certain period (of say 20 years since filing).

      Can you imagine the cost of a computer if we went by that logic? Also, the whole point of an invention is precisely the monopolistic position that requires you to pay them instead of going somewhere else for a smaller/no royalty payments. Also, generally, an inventor has control of who gets access to their patent and can really charge whatever he believes is fair, not what you believe is fair. Less and less you're talking about 'owning' an invention as much 'renting it' as the government sees fit to have companies pay out. Look no further than the US to see how quickly "reasonable" for companies will translate into 0.01% of profits, to be shared upon all combined inventors to a product.

      Both copyright law and patent laws' "limited times" are designed screw the working class creative people and benefit the ruling (capitalist) class. It's designed to prevent the poor but brilliant creative people from becoming very rich.

      (1) Copyright came about during the time of mercantilism so really has nothing to do with capitalism. (2) Plenty of writers and inventors have become "very rich" as a result of copyright/patent law precisely because it has turned the intangible into a property than can be sold or licensed to others. (3) Speaking of capitalism, the nature of work-for-hire invariably means that with or without copyright, most "poor but brilliant creative people" will be hired by governments/companies/whatever and they'll draw a wage/salary in exchange for avoiding the risks of failed inventions.

      That right is reserved only for capitalists. You still have to pay for cost+profit to buy a simple invention like a paperclip, long after its inventor is dead. The capitalists will be making millions for centuries off this little invention, long after the expiry of its 20 year monopoly.

      Back to your "$5-$10 for a paperback copy of some classic", yes. There's a logistical cost to things and while some things (most written works) can be cheaply accessible today without the burden of paper or metal or whatever, a lot of things will invariably just cost a good bit of money to make no matter if there's a royalty or not. Mark Twain complained that this simply translated into publishers pocketing the difference, but given that what you're invariably buying is a copy of the book and most people don't personally care if Mark Twain gets a cut* then why shouldn't the actual person who makes the book available to me get the money? It's like complaining about a lack of perpetual land rights even after sale of the land or all the owners are dead because you happen to be distant kin.

      * As much as Twain spent like he was rich, no amount of a cut would have helped Twain from his many speech tours. And Twain wouldn't be so well remembered if it wasn't for his "touring" as is is the case with bands, authors, and most well-known inventors. There's invariable a cause and effect to that celebrity earning them a richness that has little to do with the pure quality of their work. Having said that, once Twain has more than enough to live, I want him to have no more so he is encouraged to work more, not sit on his ass. Everything to complain about the rich, including their capitalistic usury, should not be encouraged about brilliant minds as if that will suddenly make them more creative or productive. Beyond that further, if there's a $5 book that can only be made because the $5.10 has a royalty, I want the cheaper version. And without a copyright, it's a race to the bottom and a competition so I can get the $5 instead of the $10 book. Why would I wish otherwise?

    12. Re:Disney by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "No, you don't. You pay cost+profit to *produce* a paperclip, not for its shape and ingeniousness which are, long ago, freely available. And then, you are confusing patents with copyrights. Patents extend just 20 years from description full stop. It is copyrights which go "for as long as the author lives and then more"."

      And this is why you should never talk about "Intellectual Rights" or "Intellectual Property". The terms were invented for the very purpose of blurring the distinctions between Trademarks, Patents, and Copyrights. As you can see the intended damage it was created to cause has been immensely successful.

    13. Re:Disney by jandersen · · Score: 1

      Real estate rights are forever, then why not copyright?

      Are real estate right forever? And should they be? In both cases I don't think so, and anyway, 'indefinitely' isn't exactly the same as 'forever': it is possible that you can own the exclusive rights to use a piece of land indefinitely, under present law, but no nation lasts forever, and your rights will disappear over time. But I don't even think land ownership should be indefinite; there should be some limitations, so that one family can't sit on large tracts of land to the exclusion of everybody else.

      But even if we accept that land ownership should be indefinite, it doesn't follow that intellectual property right should be - there are vast differences: you can't make many copies of a piece of land, but you can copy a piece of data at almost no cost at all. You can make money from a piece of real estate, if you invest a large amount of work and/or money on an ongoing basis, whereas you can monetise your intellectual work with relatively modest investment. Real estate, whether it is land or buildings, has very clear boundaries, whereas intellectual property doesn't. And so on.

      I think it is very reasonable that a creative person can make a living from his work, if it is of any perceived value, but just like you would expect a farmer to keep working on his land to produce new crops, you would expect the creative person to keep working to produce new things; after a while, the old works become part of common culture and it is reasonable that they also go into the public domain after a while.

    14. Re:Disney by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Real estate is subject to property tax, eminent domain, and adverse possession. Why should those not apply to copyright?

    15. Re:Disney by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "And this is why you should never talk about "Intellectual Rights" or "Intellectual Property". The terms were invented for the very purpose of blurring the distinctions"

      That, or to make the distinction even among similar things.

      It is not that the physical property is a single entity either: you have use leases, you have nuda proprietas, you have limited partnership, you have ownership by usucapione, you have rights of easement...

      But I agree with you in that "intellectual Property/Rights" is a misleading expression for what is in fact "privileges on intellectual production". Just by calling it by what it is, privilege instead of right, how the perception changes.

  4. That summary makes as much sense as a dozen TRUMP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    tweets merged. STOP IT!

  5. stop calling us readers/audience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot reader #14,247

    We are members/participants. Asshole.

    1. Re:stop calling us readers/audience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am not a number!

      Oh, and what's with the comma? (not asking you personally) That's stupid. UIDs don't have commas

    2. Re:stop calling us readers/audience by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Not quite. If your account gets deleted, the username is put back into circulation. If a new account gets created with the same username, it gets a new user id number. A username may have many user ids over the years, but user ids are always unique. It makes sense that a story submitter is referred to by their user id.

    3. Re:stop calling us readers/audience by Robotech_Master · · Score: 1

      I think he was complaining that I was called Slashdot reader #14,247 rather than Slashdot member or participant #14,247.

      (And now I find myself wanting to sing, "...I'm Jean Valjean!" :) )

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    4. Re:stop calling us readers/audience by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      I think he was complaining that I was called Slashdot reader #14,247 rather than Slashdot member or participant #14,247.

      I think "reader" would be the most appropriate and historically correct term. Members or participants would imply that management has a marketing plan to add value to the user experience. I don't see that happening.

    5. Re:stop calling us readers/audience by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      I think of it as my inmate number. Or perhaps patient number, if /. were an asylum.

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    6. Re:stop calling us readers/audience by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Well, at least he's almost #14 1/4.

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  6. Copyright, "climate", freak (LBTG) "rights"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ANYTHING to draw attention from the real issues.

  7. Are subtitles available... by Harold+Halloway · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...because this summary makes almost no sense without them. Someone makes a commentary track for a film and then makes another 13 years later and that's sticking it to the Copyright Man, is that it? ...mmkay...

    1. Re:Are subtitles available... by Robotech_Master · · Score: 3, Informative

      It might make a little more sense distilled into this article, which I wrote for another blog afterward to discuss the matter.

      Effectively, the original Maurice Leblanc Arsène Lupin stories borrowed Sherlock Holmes, much to Conan Doyle's annoyance. Subsequently, manga writer Monkey Punch based Lupin III on the Leblanc stories without permission, much to the Leblanc estate's later annoyance. (He was able to get away with it because Japan didn't honor trade copyrights at the time, and the Leblanc estate didn't even find out until years later.) Castle of Cagliostro drew on the Leblanc stories and the Lupin III franchise, and a number of other works, and inspired countless other works that borrowed from it in return.

      And it never would have happened if the rights holders had been able to shut Leblanc and Monkey Punch down.

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    2. Re:Are subtitles available... by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      As a results of the disputes with Leblanc estate, the initial releases of Cagliostro in the US censored the Lupin name. The lead character was renamed "The Wolf" (Lupin is french for "wolf"), for example.

    3. Re:Are subtitles available... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Lupin the Third: Castle of Cagliostro is an animated film directed by the now famous Hayao Miyazaki. The title character, Lupin III, is supposed to be the descendant of French literary character Arsene Lupin, so there is a kind of fanfic/copyright infringement angle there.

      In fact the Arsene Lupin series engaged in some copyright infringement as well, ripping off the character of Sherlock Holmes. Lupin was supposed to be the world's greatest thief, and Holmes was only able to figure out how he did it and not catch him.

      Back to the film, the fictional southern European nation of Cagliostro is also based on various other movies and novels. Miyazaki's take on the Lupin character is a little different to the conventional one portrayed by his original creator, a guy going by the name of Monkey Punch, in that he is less lecherous and more of a gentleman thief, so the movie itself is almost fanfic of the original books and TV series.

      Many years later, a Japanese Princess had a wedding dress matching the one in the film made for her own ceremony.

      The movie is a classic by the way, I highly recommend it. There are two English dubs, the latter one much more faithful but I actually like the original better. The Japanese with subtitles is excellent too. Classics like this would not exist if copyright was strictly enforced - it's clear that the creators of this film were free to draw inspiration from many sources without worry.

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    4. Re:Are subtitles available... by Robotech_Master · · Score: 1

      Indeed, as I have cause to mention in the commentary track. :) AnimEigo used the alternate English rendering "Rupan."

      (That alternate English rendering makes it a little more understandable why there's an album of romantic Lupin III music called "Isn't it Lupintic". In Japanese, the pronunciation of "Lupintic" is similar enough to "Romantic" to make it work as a pun.)

      After a few years, when more of the Arsène Lupin works had entered the public domain, the renaming wasn't seen as necessary and subsequent releases went back to his original name.

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  8. Oddly enough ... by DakotaSmith · · Score: 1

    I'm not really here to plug this, but when it crossed my RSS feed, the timing made it such that I thought users might be interested.

    (No, I'm serious. I wasn't going to post it. It just happens to be topical.)

    I have a podcast called Tales From SYL Ranch

    that I'm re-launching under my own domain starting July 4. I had previously hosted on //aNONradio// but when I sort of "found my voice," I decided to go pro.

    In this case, "my voice" was a feature I developed called The Old Fan's Commentary.

    You see, I'm an old man. And not a fake old man like Mr. Plinkett, but a real old man like Abe Vigoda. I make commentaries not so much about the films but about fandom of the period. On the July 4 edition, there's a Commentary on Space: 1999 .

    Again, not particularly trying to plug it. I just happen to be doing it. After Space: 1999 I'm doing Star Wars: The Despecialized Edition. The week after that, The Star Wars Holiday Special. I have a bunch of stuff already in the can.

    Just thought I'd mention it.

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    1. Re:Oddly enough ... by Robotech_Master · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a pretty cool idea. I do hope you'll check out my own commentary track, too. :)

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  9. Such bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know millennials (anyone under 35) hate having to honor the rights of other people (because you are mostly insufferable, ignorant little twats that haven't created much but farts yourselves) but without copyright there will be no films (or songs, or games, or or or) for you to co-opt, geniuses. The alternative is that all media will come from the state (lol! Do you honestly believe they would let you make things that YOU want to make? So naive) and we will see ten times the Censored and thought directed bullshit we already witness in Disney properties. I so wish you knew how to think. You don't, so please have the decency to either be willing to learn or step aside. I won't say that some don't abuse copyright, they do, but you have gone waaaay beyond tiresome, and the solution to a problem is very, very rarely total annihilation. It sucks so to do so late in life (blame your parents, not us) but you'll just have to learn to be functional and respect other people (ESPECIALLY those you disagree with) if you ever expect to be happy, productive, and thriving.

    1. Re:Such bullshit by aevan · · Score: 1

      Over 35 by many years here, and have created my own content and watched it 'borrowed' by others. Something something flattery.

      The only bullshit is what you're spewing. Most famous art in galleries, most famous musical composers and their compositions, the works of Shakespear and others...existed without the benefit of those copyright laws. Street performers, buskers, coffee shop poetry nights and the like. Which is probably how Hollywood managed to even get its feet off the ground, having a wealth of others ideas to 'borrow' upon. Between that and 'cultural appropriation', you'll have a keystone of our entertainment.

      Sites like fanfiction.net, deviant.art, pixiv prove people will create without direct cash incentative. Things like Bandcamp, M3 and Comiket prove people can profit without needs to have armies of lawyers and giant corporation backing in the 'digital age'. Things like Patreon show that the 'original ways' artists can be supported still work. All that copyright seems to show (with regards to art) is that people want Formula Movie Part 27, and games with extending copyrights on stuff that should long since fallen back into the Public Domain they were taken from in the first place.

    2. Re:Such bullshit by Boronx · · Score: 1

      Fucktards like you hate freedom of speech.

      "without copyright there will be no films (or songs, or games, or or or)"

      Because no one has ever made anything for free, or found ways to capitalize on unprotected works.

    3. Re:Such bullshit by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Which is probably how Hollywood managed to even get its feet off the ground, having a wealth of others ideas to 'borrow' upon.

      That was brought up a few weeks ago about how Hollywood set up shop on the West Coast to avoid paying licensing fees to Thomas Edison on the East Coast.

      https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10707285&cid=54561405

  10. "Bends The Rules" by Notabadguy · · Score: 0

    How about Marvel trying to copyright the word "SuperHero" and suing the shit out of people who referred to characters in their movies as Superheroes?

    That shit swings both ways.

    1. Re:"Bends The Rules" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Citatation needed

  11. The Opposite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Copyright is so restrictive that you have to creatively take content and remold it to be used in your own work instead of making a carbon copy of the original or making a non-creative* derivative work. Compare AM2R to Freedom Planet. One decided to stick so close to the original that it was C&Ded. If they had been more creative, they could had a Metroid-like game and probably went much farther to establishing a whole new game series. Just like Freedom Planet did.

    In fact, the major point of making a derivative work is mostly to exploit the Trademark (Lupin III, Metroid, Sonic) to one's own ends. Yes, for fanfics this is often about trying to basically hijack the storyline and make it what one wants. But in the end, the "original" authors end up deciding what's canon and what's not. Through copyright, they can even decide to make a fanfic author's work canon.

    * If you want to claim extensive copyright hurts creativity, you really should be looking at sequalitis. Or the fact we're going to see a Metroid 2 remake and Metroid Prime 4. And I'm a huge Metroid fan. But, I'd much prefer they were to, you know, put in the effort to create a whole new storyline and characters instead of trying to milk out what is, in many ways, a lucky break. Oh, and also because as a Metroid fan I hate how as the copyright holders, their "creativity" involves having Samus speak which is really antithetical to the "lone wolf hero". Like Star Wars. Or >insert just about any series that lasts for any length of time<.

    1. Re:The Opposite by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      If you want to claim extensive copyright hurts creativity, you really should be looking at sequalitis.

      The two shining film examples would be Sony and Universal.

      Sony made more Spiderman movies by rehashing the origin story — seriously, how many times does Uncle Ben have to die? — to prevent the licensing rights from reverting back to Marvel Studios. The new Spiderman movie is the result of a cross licensing deal between Sony and Marvel that will expire in 2019.

      Universal got copyrights for their classic monster movies as the monsters were never described in a real great detail in the public domain books, preventing anyone from making a movie that looks identical to the Universal Monsters and forcing them up with different designs (not necessarily a bad thing). They're remaking all their movies to prevent their copyrights from falling into the public domain. Although Tom Cruise may have killed the budding franchise with the newest Mummy movie.

    2. Re:The Opposite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "y, you really should be looking at sequalitis"

      You really should be looking at a dictionary. The word is "sequel", not "sequal". I don't know where people get these weird spellings from.

    3. Re:The Opposite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's died twice so far. Spider-Man (2002) and The Amazing Spider-Man (2012). That's it. stop acting like referencing his death is rehashing the story again.

    4. Re:The Opposite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for explaining; I was beginning to worry whether I had dreamt watching two Spiderman2 movies, almost back-to-back

  12. Pirates of the Caribbean-Monkey Island-And Back by Cipheron · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's a fairly well known story, but The Monkey Island series was itself inspired by a Lucasarts game designer's trip to Disneyland and experience of the "Pirates of the Caribbean" exhibit. The twist here is that a film adaptation of Monkey Island was in development, but the project fell through. The original scriptwriting team then ended up pitching the basic plot/premise as the Pirates of the Caribbean film adaptation. And this included incorporating many, many elements and plot devices that were original to Monkey Island into the Pirates of the Caribbean universe.

  13. Now, Understand, I Say This With Respect by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 1

    But that summary is incomprehensible. In part, I suspect, because user #14,257 *IS* user "Robotech_Master," and the editor seemed to want to obfuscate that fact, which, though not critical, does certainly flavor the whole point of this posting.

  14. A Fistful of Dollars by elvesrus · · Score: 1

    Kurosawa was not happy.

    1. Re:A Fistful of Dollars by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      Throne of Blood.

      Shakespeare was not happy?

    2. Re:A Fistful of Dollars by McGregorMortis · · Score: 1

      Speaking of Kurosawa, I was going to point out that on some of the Criterion editions of Kurosawa's movies, they have very interesting commentary tracks recorded by film historians.

      Kurosawa will not be able to record any commentaries in the future either, since he died in 1998.

  15. Look, guys, no spoilers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not going to watch Lupin III until I see the first two movies. How would you like it if I spoiled Rocky VII by telling you how Adrian got revenge?

  16. Disney's The Lion King by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kimba the white lion was made in the 50's with tv series from the 60's and Disney made a movie virtually identical.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimba_the_White_Lion

  17. Battle Programmer Shirase / Aria the Scarlet Ammo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the anime Battle Programmer Shirase, in the last episode, the staff thank foreign viewers who watched the fansubs of the show. While Aria the Scarlet Ammo is probably the best adaptation of a Lupin story because of the tsundere awesomeness of Kugumiya Rie.

    The second episode of Magical Girl Pretty Sammy has Bill Gates as Biff Standard with his Standardsoft operating system. The good guys use Pineapple OS.

  18. auteur? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's an auteur?

    1. Re:auteur? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  19. Hello, My name is Dave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I HAVE NOTHING to say here..
    so, please dont mind me as i DON MY knee PADS

  20. Comment tracks kinda evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A comment track which "combines" original content(==the comment track) with existing copyrighted content, is exactly the same pattern than what piracy groups used when they added intros to existing computer games - before releasing pirated copies of the products. They wanted their own content to be shown next to the "most popular content on the planet". This whole practise is very evil -- instead of respecting author's right to control how audience sees the product, these people took away that control, added their own content next to it, and then illegally distributed (usually much more burdensome) products.

    The evil thing here is "attaching your own work alongside of something that is _already popular_, or becoming popular".. Doing this attach operation without permission from the copyright owner is always illegal activity. Many of the (small) companies are doing this operation, when they don't understand copyright rules well enough -- they would learn the rules when create the products completely from scratch themselves.

    I don't really understand why these people think this activity is acceptable. It's clear copyright infringement, if the product they release include parts which were not original creations of the people doing the releasing. Copyright is nice in that it regognizes the effort that authors are spending for the creation of the products and authors shouldn't need to compete against his own products. Any combination-product that takes someone elses film or movie and combines it with low-quality audio track is clearly broken product -- original products should not have dependencies or requirements to use some other products. Every product should stand on it's own merits, and not freeride on someone elses popularity.

    1. Re:Comment tracks kinda evil by Robotech_Master · · Score: 1

      That's why the comment track is released all by itself. People have to get the original content separately and then play them both at the same time. Same way Rifftrax does its thing. That's perfectly legit under copyright law. Even if it's a derivative work, it falls under the review-and-criticism fair use right.

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    2. Re:Comment tracks kinda evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What makes comment tracks bad is that they're not useful without the film or movie. This is basically combination product, with the act of combining left to the end users. It's like selling vcr video casette players, which has copy feature builtin. While this practise of selling the hardware is allowed, it's still dubious practise to design your product in such way that only way to use it is via illegal copyright infringement. Usually such combination products should be done with the cooperation of the original authors, and through authorised distribution channels. Not by random unknown people on the internet, and definitely not by commercial operation that buys stuff, adds a greeting card to it, and sells the combination with higher price.

      While audio track is more effort than attaching greeting card, the same problems exists. The combination has high chance of being illegal, with no sale permission from the original authors.

  21. Why would I know or care about it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would I know anything about the legal details of movies I'm watching? And why the fuck would I care?
    Is this something you nerds are into?

  22. The Great Détournement by Sam+H · · Score: 1

    If there is one movie that happily ignores copyright, it’s La Classe Américaine (1993), a.k.a. The Great Détournement.

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    1. Re:The Great Détournement by ckatko · · Score: 1

      Except the wikipedia entry clearly states they obtained a license to the content.

    2. Re:The Great Détournement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Details!
      Lets not lose track of the bigger objective here, which is opposing.

  23. Hello, eminent domain.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Property Rights aren't perpetual either, even if you exclude property loss due to lack of paying taxes/tax hikes/etc. Hell, based on 'native/aboriginal' treatment the world over, they end when someone else wants what you have, eminent domain or no.

    What I am saying is: Perhaps it is time for eminent domaining of copyright to be allowed, for the government, at the behest of third parties to be able to reassign or public domain copyright works for the better moneti^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hutilzation and progress of America greed^H^H^H^H^H^Hcapitalism^H^H^H^H^H^Hpublic benefit.

    Because really with the current copyright terms as well as the current pilfering of both public works, and 'publicly funded works', there is no reason to go on pretending any of this is for the public benefit.

  24. can't think of a movie, but a book by Quirkz · · Score: 1

    Just finished Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality. It's fanfiction, and is basically Harry Potter in an alternate universe. Funny, heavier on science and logic, also written as if Ender's Game was mixed in. I found it fantastic. Thankfully JK Rowling is apparently content to let it be as long as it's not a commercial endeavor, so that it's allowed to exist.

  25. Re:Battle Programmer Shirase / Aria the Scarlet Am by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It did have Kugimiya doing her thing in a Kugimiya character, but I found Aria forgettable.

    OT: The gold age of fansubs ended a while back, because of market forces. Well, no, they're pretty distinct from the copyright ones stifling art so still off-topic I guess.

    OT for serious: My favorite example of such movies are the countless Disney ones that mock the idea of "someone owning a story they created".

  26. Uhm...every single Romero-style zombie film? by uCallHimDrJ0NES · · Score: 1

    We all know that Romero and O'Bannon created the modern notion of the zombie in "Night of the Living Dead" and failed to copyright it, which is what makes pretty much 25 percent of all fiction today legally possible. Right? RIGHT????!!!!!

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