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Blue Origin To Build Its BE-4 Rocket Engine In Alabama, Creating Hundreds of Jobs (theverge.com)

Blue Origin has recently announced its plans to manufacture the company's new rocket engine, the BE-4, at a state-of-the-art facility in Huntsville, Alabama. According to The Verge, the benefits for Blue Origin are both practical and political. From the report: On the surface, it's a seemingly innocuous decision meant to capitalize on Huntsville's decades-long history of rocket development. The city is home to NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center, where the Saturn V rocket was developed and where NASA's future massive deep-space rocket, the Space Launch System, will also be worked on. Plus, many private space contractors are based in Huntsville, making spaceflight a key part of the city's economy and a huge jobs creator. It's why Huntsville has been nicknamed Rocket City. But the move is most likely motivated by politics as well, given Blue Origin's plans for the BE-4. The company ultimately hopes to use seven BE-4 engines to power its future massive rocket called the New Glenn, which is supposed to launch sometime before 2020. But that's not the only rocket that the BE-4 could fly on. The United Launch Alliance -- a company responsible for launching most of the satellites for the U.S. military -- is developing a new rocket called Vulcan, and it needs new U.S.-made engines for the vehicle. Blue Origin's move to Huntsville will supposedly generate 342 jobs at the new facility, with salaries averaging $75,000, reports The Verge. Given the city's history, the company should have no problem finding aerospace experts in the area. The only problem that could arise would be if ULA doesn't select the BE-4 as the Vulcan's main engine. "ULA is also considering a second option in case the BE-4 doesn't work out: an engine being developed by longtime manufacturer Aerojet Rocketdyne called the AR-1," reports The Verge. "Aerojet is only meant to be Plan B for ULA. But it has one advantage that Blue Origin didn't have until now: it's building its engine in Huntsville, Alabama -- and that comes with some very key political protection."

53 comments

  1. POLITICS by Kunedog · · Score: 1

    Why does TFS mention POLITICS three times without explaining (no, I'm not reading TFA)?

    1. Re:POLITICS by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      Because politics is everything when trying to sell stuff to the government, especially on Emperor Shelbatine's territory.

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      Ezekiel 23:20
    2. Re:POLITICS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm missing something
      "is developing a new rocket called Vulcan, and it needs new U.S.-made engines for the vehicle.
      It needs engines - China, Russia or France can supply them - or make the bits.
      I thought USA had stopped forging titanium. Oh well, well see how these computer printed tanks and thrusters hold together.

    3. Re:POLITICS by sunking2 · · Score: 0

      Politics seems to just be a generic buzz word for anything non technical being used to deciding something. In this case it probably means tax credits, or perhaps just keeping NASA happy in keeping jobs in that area in a hope they can influence ULAs decision. Somehow locating yourself in the same area as a potential client is considered politics.

    4. Re: POLITICS by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Any other meaningless and ignorant conjecture you'd care to spew while you're at it?

    5. Re: POLITICS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any other meaningless and ignorant conjecture you'd care to spew while you're at it?

      Nonsense. Why would he want your job?

    6. Re:POLITICS by Enigma2175 · · Score: 2

      Why not RTFA and answer the question for yourself rather than professing your ignorance in the first post? You want the answer (or at least you ask the question) and the answer is right at your fingertips. If you're interested, then why not read it? Are you just SOOOOOO busy that you have time to post on /. but you don't have 2 minutes to do a tiny amount of reading?

      Because Huntsville’s economy is so wrapped up in aerospace, Alabama’s lawmakers want to keep it that way, and a few of them are in key positions to get what they want. For instance, Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL) is the chairman of the subcommittee responsible for appropriating funds for NASA, and he is constantly fighting to keep the Space Launch System well funded.
      ...

      That same “Alabama first” mentality has trickled down to the competition over which engines the Vulcan will use. Since Aerojet is making the AR-1 in Huntsville, a few Alabama politicians have tried to come up with innovative ways of influencing ULA’s decision. A good example came earlier this year, when two Alabama congressmen wrote a letter to the acting US Air Force secretary about the Vulcan’s engine selection, as Ars Technica reported. In the letter, they argued that since ULA receives millions of dollars from the US government to develop the Vulcan, the US government should be involved in the engine selection process. Translation: Alabama lawmakers didn’t want ULA to just pick Blue Origin and leave Aerojet in the dust.

      But now that Blue Origin plans to build the BE-4 in Huntsville, there’s perhaps less incentive for Alabama politicians to favor Aerojet over Blue Origin. In fact, the Alabama Governor’s office, the Alabama Department of Commerce, the Tennessee Valley Authority, and many more economic partners all worked together to recruit Blue Origin to the state, according to today’s announcement.

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      Enigma

    7. Re:POLITICS by barc0001 · · Score: 1

      Because politics is why Huntsville even has a rocket industry to begin with, and why ULA is very interested in these engines. Can't be buying Russian engines to launch American spy sats, now can they?

    8. Re:POLITICS by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      It needs engines - China, Russia or France can supply them

      Brilliant, using Chinese or Russian engines for strategic independence. Any other bright idea? :-p

      computer printed tanks

      What? Tanks are milled from sheet metal.

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      Ezekiel 23:20
  2. State of the art? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    State of the art in Alabama? That means not making them from wood.

    1. Re:State of the art? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      But it will run on moonshine.

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    2. Re:State of the art? by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 1

      Except they've been building rockets in Huntsville, Alabama even longer than you've been a classist bigot. Go figure!

    3. Re:State of the art? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Found: One sense of humour - rarely used.

    4. Re:State of the art? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Except they've been building rockets in Huntsville, Alabama even longer than you've been a classist bigot. Go figure!

      Yes, yes, that's where the US sent all the Nazi's after WW2, because A) Nobody cared since it was Alabama. B) They'd fit right in with their bigotry. C) A Corrupt government that could be easily bribed.

    5. Re:State of the art? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      But it will run on moonshine.

      There is prior art. The V2 ran on ethanol from fermented potatoes.

    6. Re: State of the art? by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      It alao means not keeping it in the family. ;)

    7. Re:State of the art? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Great, now we're learning from the losers...

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    8. Re:State of the art? by jae471 · · Score: 1

      Wernher von Braun says Hallo...

    9. Re:State of the art? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Maybe Huntsville being in Alabama was why the Redstone missile kept using it? ;)

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      Ezekiel 23:20
  3. Alabama by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

    Alabama is where the toothbrush was invented. If it had been anywhere else they'd have called it a teethbrush.

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    Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    1. Re:Alabama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The location of the first ever 911 call?
      Haleyville, Alabama

    2. Re: Alabama by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Whoever modded me down has either A) never been to Arkansas (i.e. naive, idealistic, brainwashed by political correctness) or has B) never left.

    3. Re: Alabama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It could just be that your joke wasn't funny.

  4. Averages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Average salary of $75,000?
    So it's one guy making $500,000 while everyone else is making chump change?

    Hundreds of jobs? Our standards have fallen so low. We used to have a GM plant here that had 3,000 people and before the robots , 10,000 workers all making a middle class wage. The ones that could went to work as clerks at Walmarts when the plant closed and moved to Mexico. Some went on disability and some are just screwed .

    1. Re:Averages by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Pretty much. An average salary of 75k means that you have a handful of people going home with 6 or even more figures and the rest working double shifts to make ends meet.

      Creating jobs is meaningless when that job can't support a family. I don't need an occupation. I need money. I can keep myself occupied just fine, I need no "help" in that respect.

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    2. Re: Averages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The truth that people just don't want to see is that less and less jobs will exist, and the majority of people won't have the highly specializes skills those jobs will require. We cannot afford basic income for so many people so the surplus population problem will have to be addressed somehow.

    3. Re: Averages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agree. The solution is obvious - exterminate invaders parasitic hindu-chimps who took middle-class jobs and brought along their whole villages to keep spreading infestation like a plague.

    4. Re: Averages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We don't need a middle class anymore just as we don'need a working class anymore.

    5. Re:Averages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are an idiot. /Signed a real rocket engineer.

    6. Re:Averages by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 0

      Creating jobs is meaningless when that job can't support a family.

      Not everyone looking for a job is a head of household.

    7. Re: Averages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That should be fewer and fewer. Just sayin'.

    8. Re:Averages by charon69 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm most likely way too late in this conversation to get this post viewed, but I'll try anyway...

      I live in the Huntsville metropolitan area (nearby, and completely surrounded, Madison).

      The cost of living here is *RIDICULOUSLY* cheap. You can easily get a 1,500 sq. ft. starter-house on a half-acre of land for $120,000. Food and other necessities are, likewise, a small fraction of the average Engineer's salary.

      And that's almost all there is here! Engineers. If you meet somebody new, you just kinda assume that they're an Engineer. Mechanical, Electrical, Computer, Aerospace. They're everywhere.

      I bought my first house in the area just six months after finishing college. Starting salaries in the $50k - $60k range will do you just fine. And advancement is trivial if you just do your job. Either you advance in your starting job, or you can easily job-hop to any of the other tech companies in the area. Change jobs every ~5 years, and (in combination with normal salary increases) you'll easily hit 6-figures around your 10-year-mark. And at that point, you're just starting to get silly. 4,000 sq. ft. houses for $350,000 are easily affordable at that point.

      And I also need to mention that almost every tech company out here offers continuing-education incentives. My first company paid for my Master's, and all I had to do was agree to work for them for 2-years after graduating. No big deal.

      Long story short, Huntsville is a wonderful place for Engineers of almost any sort. I highly recommend it.

      P.S. If you're still in college, Huntsville has tons of internships and co-ops programs. Do it! Graduate with a year+ of real-world experience, and it's even easier to get a job. And that company with which you co-oped is almost certainly going to make you an offer. After all, they had a year-long interview with you. They know *exactly* whether they want you or not.

    9. Re:Averages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alabama. Pffft. You couldn't pay me enough to live in that racist backwater. No way. No how. It's disgusting.

    10. Re: Averages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in Huntsville as well, and I can attest to the commenter's experience...mine tracked almost exactly and hit the 100k mark at 8 yrs in. I opted for the 250k home and am on track to pay it off in 4 yrs.

      Also, north Alabama is nothing like the rest of the state. Its rare that I actually meet people that are originally from the area. Its all full of people who fled high-tax states but still want the amenities of a big city along with great private school options.

    11. Re: Averages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We also do not need anonymous cowards anymore (nor ever), yet here we are!

  5. Rocketdyne Is The Way To Go by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 0

    Kerbal tested, sadist approved.

  6. More winning! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    MAGA, MAGA, MAGA, Trump, Trump, Trump!

    1. Re:More winning! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm sure Jeff Bezos is a huge Trump supporter, given his ownership of the Washington Post and all. We all know the Post is such a HUGE fan of the Trump administration.

  7. Let the Elon Musk haters begin the bashing!! by N3wsByt3 · · Score: 1

    Oh, wait, it's the Bezos haters... well, same crowd - at least in mentality.

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    1. Re: Let the Elon Musk haters begin the bashing!! by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Nice try but no, not necessarily.

    2. Re: Let the Elon Musk haters begin the bashing!! by N3wsByt3 · · Score: 1

      Also nice try. ;-) Not necessarily, but likely.

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    3. Re: Let the Elon Musk haters begin the bashing!! by N3wsByt3 · · Score: 1

      To clarify (if there would be a misunderstanding about it): I'm not for or against Elon nor Bezos. I just find the haters and bashers equally worthless.

      Both are not perfect, but have accomplished some things which they should get credit for. The mentality of the fanfappers and zealous fantrolls on both sides - reminiscent to the xbox vs PS - crave attention and flamewars more then anything else. And it's that which is similar with both crowds.

      Just like with the xbox vs PS flamewars, after a while you begin to note that it isn't really about the content nor about rational arguments anymore, but just about the 'side' which one is on in a 'we vs them' context. The polarisation of it determines and overshadows everything else, deplorable as that may be. And it happens equally on both sides of the fence.

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  8. Fastest Growing Tech Town by zoid.com · · Score: 1
  9. FL AL LA MI TX CA VA MD OH by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    It's been long-standing policy to spread NASA projects around the country to spread the pork around to ensure Congressional support. In this case, gotta keep those rednecks and NAZIs employed.

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    the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

  10. those poor H1Bs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now they have to work in Alabama.

    1. Re:those poor H1Bs by chispito · · Score: 1

      ITAR. There will be no H1Bs working on these missile, er, I mean rocket, engines.

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  11. BE-4 by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    'Before' what, precisely? What are they planning? X-)

  12. Makes sense, given that's where they built Apollo. by Noishkel · · Score: 1

    Given all the snide commentary I see in here it seems that people forgot that Huntsville Alabama is where built a substantial amount of the Apollo program. more to the point parts of the international space station. In fact I had the luxury of having a relative that was working there when they were building it. So I got to see them building the thing before they launched it. Also got to take a few rides through some of the old tests sites that are not open to the public myself. It's a sadly often forgotten bit of history of the US space program.

    But that said I can't say how up to day the actual production facilities are, given 8 years of democrat neglect. But it's a safe bet that our old stuff is better than what everyone else has still. Or failing that we can still probably upgrade fast enough to make it true. Assuming adequate political will from both sides of the political isle.

  13. Sweet Home Alabama.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ah, Alabama, known for it's low wages, union busting and low skilled workforce.... One Japanese car maker found they had to educate their factory workforce with pictures because the level of illiteracy was so high.