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Artificially Intelligent Painters Invent New Styles of Art (newscientist.com)

Dthief shares a report from New Scientist: Now and then, a painter like Claude Monet or Pablo Picasso comes along and turns the art world on its head. They invent new aesthetic styles, forging movements such as impressionism or abstract expressionism. But could the next big shake-up be the work of a machine? An artificial intelligence has been developed that produces images in unconventional styles -- and much of its output has already been given the thumbs up by members of the public. The team [of researchers] modified a type of algorithm known as a generative adversarial network (GAN), in which two neural nets play off against each other to get better and better results. One creates a solution, the other judges it -- and the algorithm loops back and forth until the desired result is reached. In the art AI, one of these roles is played by a generator network, which creates images. The other is played by a discriminator network, which was trained on 81,500 paintings to tell the difference between images we would class as artworks and those we wouldn't -- such as a photo or diagram, say. The discriminator was also trained to distinguish different styles of art, such as rococo or cubism. The clever twist is that the generator is primed to produce an image that the discriminator recognizes as art, but which does not fall into any of the existing styles.

94 comments

  1. Frost psit by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Funny

    Easier way - just give a kindergarten class a load of paint.

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    1. Re: Frost psit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kids rarely produce something new or pleasing. Mostly they just make bad copies.

    2. Re: Frost psit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And these are better how? When I looked at them all I could think was it was a Rorschach test.

    3. Re:Frost psit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Elephants bro. Elephants.

      CAPTCHA = circus. Slashdot AI can paint with words.

    4. Re:Frost psit by AlanObject · · Score: 1

      Easier way - just give a kindergarten class a load of paint.

      Or Koko the gorilla.

      I have also seen youtube videos of elephants painting, although the amount of creativity is disputed since their handler is always nearby.

    5. Re: Frost psit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you prove that?

    6. Re: Frost psit by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Can you prove that he can't prove it?

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    7. Re: Frost psit by narcc · · Score: 1

      Yes, as it turns out.

    8. Re: Frost psit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No you can't.

    9. Re:Frost psit by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      I have seen Elephants in Nepal, painting each other.
      Playing soccer, in teams, aka they knew whom to pass the ball and whom to avoid and played for the correct goal.
      They threw big darts on balloons, kinda laughed when they missed and where excited when they hit.

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  2. 50% completeness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    To be complete, it still needs to explain how it decides to paint what it painted using emphatic words...

    1. Re:50% completeness by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

      Tack a bullshit generator to the AI and you're set.

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    2. Re:50% completeness by DaveyJJ · · Score: 2, Funny

      My work explores the relationship between emerging sexualities and unwanted gifts.

      With influences as diverse as Wittgenstein and Andy Warhol, new synergies are distilled from both constructed and discovered dialogues.

      Ever since I was a teenager I have been fascinated by the unrelenting divergence of relationships. What starts out as contemplation soon becomes manipulated into a manifesto of temptation, leaving only a sense of decadence and the possibility of a new beginning.

      As intermittent phenomena become frozen through diligent and repetitive practice, the viewer is left with a tribute to the limits of our future.

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    3. Re:50% completeness by tehcyder · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My work explores the relationship between emerging sexualities and unwanted gifts.

      With influences as diverse as Wittgenstein and Andy Warhol, new synergies are distilled from both constructed and discovered dialogues.

      Ever since I was a teenager I have been fascinated by the unrelenting divergence of relationships. What starts out as contemplation soon becomes manipulated into a manifesto of temptation, leaving only a sense of decadence and the possibility of a new beginning.

      As intermittent phenomena become frozen through diligent and repetitive practice, the viewer is left with a tribute to the limits of our future.

      Well that pretty much made sense, so I'm not sure you've quite got the hang of it yet.

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    4. Re:50% completeness by clovis · · Score: 2

      My work explores the relationship between emerging sexualities and unwanted gifts.

      With influences as diverse as Wittgenstein and Andy Warhol, new synergies are distilled from both constructed and discovered dialogues.

      Ever since I was a teenager I have been fascinated by the unrelenting divergence of relationships. What starts out as contemplation soon becomes manipulated into a manifesto of temptation, leaving only a sense of decadence and the possibility of a new beginning.

      As intermittent phenomena become frozen through diligent and repetitive practice, the viewer is left with a tribute to the limits of our future.

      Well that pretty much made sense, so I'm not sure you've quite got the hang of it yet.

      And his influences seem to be white males.
      I doubt we could have a valuable experience from the art of someone so obsessed with these Euro-patriarchs.

    5. Re:50% completeness by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the stinky cheese and over-priced wine inputs. Only by receiving what it thinks are the "best" inputs can a maximum level of pretension be obtained.
      Oh, Oh!!! Truffle digitizer!!!

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    6. Re:50% completeness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why must you misgender the great Andy Warhol?

    7. Re: 50% completeness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Piss the fuckoff, SJW

    8. Re:50% completeness by clovis · · Score: 1

      Why must you misgender the great Andy Warhol?

      Andy puts up with it because he knows if he starts any of that gender shit with me, I'll dig him up and shoot his ass again.

  3. Painting By The Numbers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, I mean it. Print out the outlines of these... original... works on paper, (Or canvas...), with each shape represented by a number referring to a pure, or mix of, Acrylic Paint.
    And then let school kids have at it.
    We're not quite at the point of letting Computers near the Finger paints.

  4. Modern Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looks like the typical modern art.

    1. Re:Modern Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As if you even know a single piece of modern art.

  5. Great by volodymyrbiryuk · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now the robo workers that will replace us in 20 years have something to spend their money on.

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    1. Re:Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      kek

  6. AI human interaction in design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This will produce new art because humans and AI will get new ideas from each other, then produce results and those results are fed back in to the creative loops.

    Somewhat similar effect can be seen between tabletop games and computer games. Both 'platforms' benefit from the design developments done in either camp.

  7. bravo AI! by williamreview1 · · Score: 0

    I always appreciate artificial intelligent. http://williamreview.com/socit...

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  8. creationally astute artisans diversify our pallett by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    creation is colorblind & trysexual? (r)evolutionary compassion included with every original issue.. cease fire stand down.. sing along.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6-pqbAOzg8 ..

  9. AI has improved a lot by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Human beings are notorious for seeing patterns in noise. They see a man in the craters of the Moon, various objects in cloud formations, deduce cause and effect for natural events, (Saturn in the seventh house means, Mr Bhagat Singh Thonde will lose his case in the Supreme Court, because Justice Sutherland has Jupiter in the seventh house. Because Jupiter and Saturn are insanely jealous of each other and they never pass a chance to beat each other up, everyone knows that).

    And there is no better noisy environment than "high art" where paint by numbers picture might win the first prize much to the embarrassment of the officials, and museums mount art works upside down unbeknownst to the patrons as well as the artist!

    AI pitted against humans in seeing patterns in noise, is probably a high point, acme, zenith of intelligence. What next? Illusions of grandeur?

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    1. Re:AI has improved a lot by avandesande · · Score: 0

      I see goatse guy lurking in at least two of those pictures

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    2. Re:AI has improved a lot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Illusions of grandeur? That sounds like a painting waiting to be painted or maybe the name of a new super-cool gallery? Or perhaps I have delusions of grandeur for thinking I know anything about art - the only thing in my seventh house is my mistress ;-)

      - Anon

    3. Re:AI has improved a lot by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      What next? Illusions of grandeur?

      They'd have to be, since they haven't been programmed to suffer from delusions of grandeur yet. But illusions? That's apparently right up their alley already.

    4. Re:AI has improved a lot by Udom · · Score: 1

      Computer art... Pareidolia, also called patternicity, is the tendency to find meaning in meaningless data. Most people can easily find patterns in clouds, or oil slicks, or craters on the moon etc. Add to that the expectations keyed by context and you have art placebos.

    5. Re:AI has improved a lot by clovis · · Score: 1

      I see goatse guy lurking in at least two of those pictures

      Thanks to Slashdot, I see goatse guy every time I start to fall asleep while sober.
      Fortunately, there's an easy fix.

  10. Nope... by denzacar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It needs to create "art" based on personal emotional experience AND induce such emotional experience in human audience.

    Otherwise... it's just a drawing, photo, sculpture, video... but not art.
    Just like those "paintings" by monkeys and elephants are not art but paint slapped on canvas.
    Or like how birdsong is not art, an anthill is not architecture and dogs urine on the wall is not graffiti.

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    1. Re:Nope... by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Just like those "paintings" by monkeys and elephants are not art but paint slapped on canvas.
      Or like how birdsong is not art, an anthill is not architecture and dogs urine on the wall is not graffiti.

      With the exception of birdsong. It's intended to provoke an emotional response in the (bird) listener, and succeeds. That's one of the definitions of art.

    2. Re: Nope... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never liked that definition of art. I could lay a doody in disgust and disgust others. So that's art, but more creative than most of the work out there. Problem is that everything brings out emotional responses. It's part of being human. Therefore everything is art. Therefore nothing is art.

    3. Re:Nope... by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      With the exception of birdsong.

      I'm going to have to second birdsong. Apparently some companies think they have a copyright on it too.

    4. Re: Nope... by imatter · · Score: 1

      When I was in art school I got to experience that, except there was a little more anger in the message and the fucker was wearing a wedding dress. He also had a fan blowing behind him, toward the audience so that no one missed that experience, quite unforgettable.

    5. Re:Nope... by iMadeGhostzilla · · Score: 2

      It doesn't matter what we call this, I think most people would not be interesting in looking at it for any length of time. I know I'm not. However we define art, an art piece reflects the inside world of the person who made it. It gives us the observers a glimpse into another psyche different from our own and that's fascinating, it's almost a form of telepathy. Here, there's no psyche, no inside world to look at, and so it's uninteresting. It's just some graphics.

    6. Re:Nope... by AlanObject · · Score: 1

      It needs to create "art" based on personal emotional experience AND induce such emotional experience in human audience.

      Otherwise... it's just a drawing, photo, sculpture, video... but not art. Just like those "paintings" by monkeys and elephants are not art but paint slapped on canvas.

      Some of the paintings to which you refer are clearly relatable to human experience. The animals doing the painting are always well socialized with humans and the animal artists clearly have emotions similar to that of humans.

      Which would you rate as art? The 5-year-old kid studiously filling in a paint-by-the-numbers coloring book, or Koko the gorilla rendering a freestyle image that is clearly and object and a setting she has seen such as a bird or her pet cat?

      If you understand anything at all about art the answer is clear.

    7. Re: Nope... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It needs to create "art" based on personal emotional experience AND induce such emotional experience in human audience.

      I think you've just described many clickbait and political headlines.

      Although I agree as far as art involving an emotional aspect, I don't think it has to be the same impact as the artist intended. A lot can be open ended and impact people differently. It also allows bypass of some BS explainations of intent, as the intent is not important. If the effect matters more than the source matters less, and can be something not emotional.

    8. Re: Nope... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dog urine on a wall is EXACTLY graffiti. It's a tag saying "I was here". Just because you can't read it doesn't mean it's not communication.

    9. Re:Nope... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're getting at the idea of communicative art - the notion that art MUST communicate something or else it isn't art, which is certainly one school of thought.

      There's also the aesthetic view, which is simply that art is that which is created with the idea of being pleasing to look at.

      I'm personally more a fan of communicative than aesthetic concepts, but I don't dismiss the idea that if something is pleasing to look at and is not a natural occurrence, it can be considered "art" of a sort.

    10. Re:Nope... by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Most art is not based on personal emotional experience. Most art exists because it makes money.
      Sure, you might not call it "art" but most people do call it art regardless.

      I looked at the image shown in TFA (https://d1o50x50snmhul.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/29152753/aipainter.jpg). The top three images make sense and I particularly like #1 and #3. The bottom ones are crap.

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    11. Re:Nope... by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      induce such emotional experience in human audience.

      The audience liked them, so it probably did.

    12. Re:Nope... by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      It gives us the observers a glimpse into another psyche different from our own and that's fascinating, it's almost a form of telepathy.

      Except that in most cases, the artist feels one thing, and the viewer feels something entirely different.

      Here, there's no psyche, no inside world to look at, and so it's uninteresting.

      Just by looking at the paintings, you wouldn't guess that, so they are equally interesting. Proof: the audience liked these better than the stuff made by 'real' artists.

    13. Re:Nope... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Art is about communication. Sometimes the meaning we take from communication is different than the meaning that was intended. Therefore, even if there was no intended meaning, it is possible that the result is art merely because the consumer found meaning in it.

    14. Re:Nope... by denzacar · · Score: 1

      With the exception of birdsong. It's intended to provoke an emotional response in the (bird) listener, and succeeds. That's one of the definitions of art.

      That's provocation of A response... not THE response which the original bird is "feeling".

      We humans call that talking. Exchange of information. Through a medium. But that's it.
      And sure... listening to someone talk CAN provoke an emotional response - but if it is NOT the intended response AND if it's not matching the attempted emotional response... it's not art.
      Think of an actor whose tragic portrayal of a sad story becomes a farce and makes the audience laugh instead of crying.

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    15. Re:Nope... by denzacar · · Score: 1

      Uh... no.
      Artist creates because he (or she) MUST create. Because there is a need for expression.

      Money is just one way we've figured out for dealing with our own response to such expression. Putting a price tag on it.
      It helps when dealing with unimaginative people. Just think of all the times you heard about some scientific discovery, from the Moon Landing to penicillin, described in dollar values.
      Cause some people can't stretch their minds grasp the mindbogglingly huge impact of such discoveries. But give them a number... THAT they can place on some internal value line.

      BTW... that what you LIKE and which "makes sense" to you in those images... that's your pattern recognition acting up.
      It means you're not a robot.

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    16. Re:Nope... by denzacar · · Score: 1

      Neither of those is art. Both the child and the gorilla are just slapping paint on canvas while matching patterns.

      But if you DESIGN a paint-by-numbers coloring book which will induce your emotions about the experience depicted in the drawing, in the children who would be doing the coloring...
      That'd make you a pretty darn good child psychologist, at the very least. Probably a great artist as well.
      But you'd have to do more than just drawing scary pictures which frighten the little children. A fuckin clown can induce THAT emotion in kids.

      As for "well socialized animals"...
      Try turning your argument around. Make some "cow art".
      Higher emotional beings we are... we must be able to think and emote like a cow, right?
      Or like a gorilla.

      So... where's all the animal pacifying art? I'm sure veterinarians could use some. Or farmers.

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    17. Re:Nope... by denzacar · · Score: 2

      However we define art, an art piece reflects the inside world of the person who made it. It gives us the observers a glimpse into another psyche different from our own and that's fascinating, it's almost a form of telepathy. Here, there's no psyche, no inside world to look at, and so it's uninteresting. It's just some graphics.

      Yes.

      I think most people would not be interesting in looking at it for any length of time.

      No.

      Human minds have a... not so much a need but a necessary operating function to attach meaning to things.
      Plenty of humans LOVE gazing into essentially meaningless patterns of shapes and colors and finding in them something they "recognize".

      It's not art... but it may be psychologically pleasing. Like a puzzle you can solve over and over.

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    18. Re:Nope... by denzacar · · Score: 1

      But did the machine like them?
      Maybe machine hated them. Maybe it was just clearing its nozzles.

      The same emotional response must exist on both sides of the emotional exchange.
      Artist must feel the emotions he/she encapsulates in the work of art - and the audience must feel the same emotions when experiencing the artwork.

      And no... You can't go "Well... MAYBE the machine felt it..."
      That would be just reading-in meaning into meaningless patterns, with a large dose of anthropomorphizing of machines.

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    19. Re:Nope... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I rather like one piece (upper right) and wouldn't mind a print of that on the wall. However I wouldn't call that a "new style" either.

    20. Re:Nope... by war4peace · · Score: 1

      "50 shades of grey" disagrees with you.
      The world is choke full of horrible works of art created for the sole purpose of bringing income. They might not fit with your personal definition of art, but they are art by definition: "the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination" - something that indeed induces emotional experience, but doesn't necessarily require emotion to be created.

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    21. Re:Nope... by denzacar · · Score: 1

      Besides that hardly qualifying as art (it is barely writing) - you should pick you examples better.

      That thing started as Twilight fan fiction.
      Literally written cause someone HAD to have that fantasy pushed out.

      "the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination"

      Except that, dictionary-like, definition is crap.
      On par with "the round fruit of a tree of the rose family, which typically has thin red or green skin and crisp flesh".
      Clearly, you can tell right away that it is defining an orange, right.

      Mere expression is not enough. Nor is creative skill enough.
      Plopping out babies is a human creative skill. But masturbation is BOTH creative skill and application of imagination.
      Jerking off into a cup - pure art. By definition.
      And let's not even get into signing your name in the snow with piss. AAAAAAARRRRRRTTTTT!!!!

      Art is both a process and the product of an attempt to encapsulate and transfer human experience through a medium.
      Great art succeeds in that attempt.

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  11. Style by arth1 · · Score: 2

    The clever twist is that the generator is primed to produce an image that the discriminator recognizes as art, but which does not fall into any of the existing styles.

    Yet every example I saw on that page was abstract.

    1. Re:Style by gravewax · · Score: 1

      That was my thoughts exactly, didn't seem to be anything new or original in the style at all.

    2. Re:Style by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Yet every example I saw on that page was abstract.

      What were you expecting? Realistic paintings would required a general understanding of the world that is far beyond the capabilities of this system.

    3. Re:Style by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...but which does not fall into any of the existing styles

      Yet every example I saw on that page was abstract.

      What were you expecting? Realistic paintings would required a general understanding of the world that is far beyond the capabilities of this system.

      Something that does not fall into any of the existing styles, like the article claimed.

    4. Re:Style by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From the summary:

      ...different styles of art, such as rococo or cubism

      If the only classifications you know are "abstract" and "realistic", that's all you'll be able to distinguish between. Then again, at night all cows are black.

    5. Re:Style by gravewax · · Score: 1

      They specified claimed a whole new art style, what is their is NOT anything new style wise at all. What I expected was something different, it was just meh!

    6. Re:Style by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Art colleges are full of paintings like these "new AI inventions".

  12. This is awful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It does not elevate my mood to learn that a machine made these paintings. When I'm a fan of something (art, music, or any sort of creativity) part of what makes the experience pleasant is showing your appreciation to the human artist that created it. If its machine made it totally ruins it. Feels like I've been tricked and I'm offended. Its like eating a hot dog and thinking it tastes great......then later you find out what hot dogs are actually made of.

    1. Re:This is awful. by arth1 · · Score: 2

      What art does is convey feelings. So far, machines have none.
      It's like a mountain - it may be beautiful, but in itself, it is not art.
      A painting of the same mountain, or dance for it, is an attempt at letting an audience catch a glimpse of the feelings the artist had for the mountain.

    2. Re:This is awful. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      The difference is that with human-created art you think "what was the fuckhead smoking?", but with computer-created art it's more like "what was the fuckhead who programmed it smoking?"

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    3. Re:This is awful. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What art does is convey feelings. So far, machines have none.

      If you lay out a hundred abstract paintings, half made by humans and half by this GAN, do you think you could tell which were made with "feelings"? I doubt if you could do any better than chance. It is silly to say there is a difference if the difference is undetectable.

    4. Re:This is awful. by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "When I'm a fan of something (art, music, or any sort of creativity) part of what makes the experience pleasant is showing your appreciation to the human artist that created it."

      Good luck trying that with Homer, Velazquez, Michelangelo, Bach...

      If *really* not being able to show your appreciation to the author ruins your experience, I have to say you are already losing a bit too much of what people generally considers as art.

    5. Re:This is awful. by swillden · · Score: 1

      What art does is convey feelings.

      No, what art does is generate feelings. An artist may be able to use this mechanism to convey them, but I think in lot of cases -- especially in modern art -- there's very little conveying going on. The artist just creates something that generates reactions in viewers, reactions that may have nothing to do with the artist's intentions, and may vary widely among viewers.

      So far, machines have none.

      Which doesn't in any way mean they can't generate images which provoke emotional reactions in human viewers, or even that we couldn't apply machine learning algorithms to make them better at doing exactly that... or even generating particular kinds of emotions. It's not necessary to have feelings to create them in others.

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    6. Re:This is awful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Good luck trying that with Homer, Velazquez, Michelangelo, Bach..."

      Well of course.......they're dead. But that doesn't mean we can't emotionally respond to the artwork they've left behind. Its part of what immortalizes them.

      Artificial intelligence, on the other hand, is potentially literally immortal and even possibly copy-able as technology progresses. Its plausible we all might have our own portable Michelangelo built right in our cell phones one day.... So what's so unique and beautiful about that? If there's no human element to connect to and its just AI generating the end result, it isn't what I'd even consider art. Its software output. The phone breaks, I go buy a new one. We lose a great artist and we're all sad for their passing (RIP Chris Cornell).

    7. Re:This is awful. by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      What art does is convey feelings. So far, machines have none.

      If you lay out a hundred abstract paintings, half made by humans and half by this GAN, do you think you could tell which were made with "feelings"? I doubt if you could do any better than chance. It is silly to say there is a difference if the difference is undetectable.

      So we've demonstrated that abstract art is BS ... not sure what that has to do with AI though ...

    8. Re:This is awful. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Based on the examples in the article, I think I could identify the human ones vs the computer ones. On the other hand, if you built something to imitate a particular painter's style, you can probably make something that's capable of confusing me.

      If your point is just that "abstract art is usually bs anyway so it's easier to imitate", then I agree with you. If your point is that there is no artistry to good abstract art, there I'd have to disagree with you.

    9. Re:This is awful. by arth1 · · Score: 1

      No, what art does is generate feelings.

      Please read more than the first sentence before hitting reply. I give an example of why this, specifically, is wrong: A beautiful mountain generates feelings, but the mountain is not art. A painting of the mountain, or an abstract painting attempting to capture some of the feelings the mountain gave the artist is art.

    10. Re:This is awful. by swillden · · Score: 1

      Please read *my* whole post before responding. Whether or not the artist intends to convey something, or successfully conveys it, is not really important to the perception of the work as art by the viewers.

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    11. Re:This is awful. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      If your point is just that "abstract art is usually bs anyway so it's easier to imitate", then I agree with you.

      No. My point is that an intelligence (AI or BI) should be judged by what it produces, not on some subjective qualification like "feelings" or "has a soul".

  13. Re:AI human interaction in design by arth1 · · Score: 1

    This will produce new art because humans and AI will get new ideas from each other, then produce results and those results are fed back in to the creative loops.

    That's not necessarily a good thing. Flood the market and exclusivity doesn't mean much anymore. The market gets saturated and the users satiated.

    Somewhat similar effect can be seen between tabletop games and computer games. Both 'platforms' benefit from the design developments done in either camp.

    Which is a prime example of over-saturation. People spend less time on both tabletop games and computer games now, and classics like Monopoly, (A)D&D, Doom and Half-Life just don't happen anymore. Or rather, they happen, but they are a dime a dozen and don't stand out.

  14. Just what the world needed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...was another way to cheaply generate more meaningless art.

    Art should by of the people, by the people and for the people. This is none of those.

  15. Net Neutrality Needs To Die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just let the free market correct itself. This will happen a LOT sooner if we don't have all these rules and regulations. These DEMONcratic policies will be the down fall of this (soon to be) GREAT (again) American society.

    @realDonaldTrump fix this now!

  16. Here we go again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I cannot wait until this faddish obssession dies out. Algorithms utilize and absorb existing data, people can create new thought. This isn't 'intelligence'. All that 'AI' is, is a very sophisticated, self-enacting search engine. It's a glorified Google that can sort through its own results (how is this not obvious when its main proponents are big data companies?). A thinking brain is a lot more than data, consciousness has very little to do with data at all. Get over it, already. People teferring to Alexa or Siri as an 'AI' makes me want to spew. It's the biggest misnomer ever conceived.

  17. Yeahhhh... That's what we want, for sure... by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 1

    Machines judging art.

  18. Interesting by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    "One creates a solution, the other judges it "

    Wouldn't work for natural intelligence artists, they think every other artist's work sucks.

  19. Thankfully I now have an article to link when peop by i286NiNJA · · Score: 1

    Thankfully I now have an article to link when people tell me how development can easily be automated but "creative" jobs can't be.

  20. There is a fundamental problem by imatter · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The AI did not actually create the art. The programmer gave the AI the ability and method for which to create the art, therefore the programmer is the artist and the AI is simply his brush. AI does not exist without the programmer. If it ever does, its name will no longer contain the word artificial.

    1. Re:There is a fundamental problem by religionofpeas · · Score: 2

      Children can't speak. The parents gave it the ability and method, therefore the parents are the speakers, and the child is simply their mouth. Children don't exist without their parents.

  21. Nihilism by kelanos · · Score: 1

    Sure, let's just twist "intelligence" and "art" to mean nothing.

    The machine has no will, no soul, no innate purpose; therefor no intelligence.
    It has nothing to express, so it can't make art.

    This kind of thing just promotes soullessness. It's a literal, physical opposite of art. Instead of inspiring you toward living life, it 'inspires' you to be complacent with death.

    Sure, the idiotic researchers making this poison are probably 'innocent' and just think they are 'progressing science', but the people funding them know what this is and are wholly malicious. Our culture has been hijacked since the end of the World War, and so few people seem to have noticed.

    Post-modernism is a weapon to destroy us all, as foretold by many. If only the middle class used their wealth to improve themselves instead of pissing it away because 'life is so hard I worked so hard I deserve it". I guess that's what happens when you have an anti-meritocracy to suppress competition against the plutocrats and give a bunch of morons money.

    1. Re:Nihilism by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      Or... you could recognize that a lot of art is crap that is only valued by pretentious art fans, and having algorithm-designed art that the public enjoys more shows that up for what it it.

    2. Re:Nihilism by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      The machine has no will, no soul, no innate purpose; therefor no intelligence.
      That depends on your Weltbild or more precisely religion.

      I for my part as an atheist would say: nothing has a soul.

      On the other hand most animistic religions, e.g. Shinto, would say: everything has a soul.

      Up to you if your AI painting robot or car manufacturing robot has a soul or not.

      I find religions that put souls in some things and no souls in the rest rather irritating :D

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  22. Art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like art that looks like stuff, modern art looks like I closed my eyes and pressed on them. I like statues that look like people.

  23. welcome to hagiography 2.0 by epine · · Score: 1

    The AI did not actually create the art. The programmer gave the AI the ability and method for which to create the art, therefore the programmer is the artist and the AI is simply his brush.

    Way to forget the fundamental theorem of computation on the equivalence of data and program.

    Program: A few grad students over a few months, on top of program libraries composed by a few hundred grad students over a few decades, on top of general-purpose computational abstractions as devised by a few thousand notable wonks over a century, on top of a hundred primary patron saints of abstraction inscribing circles in the sand over roughly three millennia.

    Data: Millions of artist years, as winnowed down by billions of critic years, to thousands of artist years, on top of human visual perception over the whole 60 million years of human evolution, and this not from a standing start.

    I'm not 100% certain I trust this long historical wall to be less than entirely porous, but if I did, I'd declare: advantage, data.

    This whole business of glorifying the last touch is a weird human institution to begin with. That's how you know the real future has finally arrived: in the sudden discarding of the forever unjustifiable, if only you've got the wits to see it.

    This credit-to-the-last-touch business has always been tainted by the aggregate shoulders of giants.

    Now that we've reduced stirring the aggregate down to a semester project in graduate school, we need to park this ridiculous cultural legacy, pronto.

    Remember "information wants to be free"?

    By the late 1970s—if you had the wits to see it—certain premises of our long standing copyright system were coming into fatal contact with a new reality, a future long past the original paroxysm that continues to arrive in sluggish fits and start:

    Wall Street Journal To Cut Back Print Outside the US

    As they say in cryptography, attacks only ever improve. This, too, of our generative-art adversarial networks. Unlike human talent, this isn't a flash in the Picasso pan. This is remix culture on steroids passing through the inception stage of a one-way function, up escalator.

    I think I've posted this link before. It was one of my favourites, and good background for the present discussion:

    Talking Machines interviews Doug Eck on Generative Art and Hamiltonian Monte Carlo — August 2016

  24. Foundational donkey by UnixUnix · · Score: 1

    The question is, does a donkey's tail count as an early form of AI? http://aworldelsewhere-finn.bl...

  25. Not all groundbreaking artists by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

    Van Gogh set the art world on its ear.

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  26. high frequency noise square by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every one of these has a square of high frequency noise in the center