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Google and Facebook Give Net Neutrality Campaign a Boost (fortune.com)
The fight over net neutrality just got more interesting as two tech giants said they will step off the sidelines and join a so-called "day of action" on July 12, which aims to preserve rules that forbid Internet providers from favoring some websites over others. From a report: Until now, Google and Facebook -- which have been staunch supporters of net neutrality in the past -- have stayed out of the debate. But this week, they confirmed they will join other companies in telling consumers to oppose the FCC's plan to tear up the current rules. The participation of Google and Facebook in the day-of-action campaign could be a game-changer because their sites are visited by hundreds of millions of Americans, and a message from them could rally new opposition to the FCC plan. The two tech giants have yet to explain what specific actions -- such as displaying a banner on their homepage -- they will take. Other companies that are participating in the protest are.
Any chance these companies could get together and, you know, come up with a plan to fix the problem?
How about suggesting a law that congress could pass that would implement net neutrality?
It could be a model of common-sense legislation. It could be vetted by legal teams of several big companies, and distil the knowledge and understanding of a highly technical subject from experts in the field.
It could avoid the underlying problems of the current net-neutrality law, the aspects that got it canned in the first place.
EVEN IF you believe there will be partisan opposition, Democrats could keep the legislation available in case they re-win control of government. It could be a plank in the liberal position for the times to come, something the public could get behind and use as an [albeit minor] rallying point for the party.
Or is it more effective to just publicly come out in opposition of things?
Death to CNN. Long live the new flesh.
throw your weight behind the 2018 mid terms. Make it clear that they'll be blood at the polls when NN gets struck down.
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...the FCC will simply issue new rules on July 11th. I mean, if I was a Trump bootlicker like Ajit Pai, it's what I'd do. Neuter the protests in advance and raise my middle finger to everyone. As with the rest of this regime, what's anyone going to do about it?
Google and Facebook's business models depend on being able to push large amounts of ads and media at people who don't want that commercial content. With net neutrality, it's end users that pay for that delivery. Without net neutrality, ISPs would start charging them extra for the content that makes money for them (their ads) while delivering the content customers actually want without extra charges.
So, don't kid yourself that Google and Facebook are doing this for your benefit; they are doing it because their primary business model, namely pushing ads on you, depends on it.
Google and Facebook support net neutrality because it benefits Google and Facebook. We are just manure on their field, as far as they are concerned.
Well-reasoned and clear arguments against net neutrality have had no effect, and never would have. The decision isn't based on what is Just, but on what is profitable to a specific set of wealthy elites.
Widespread public disapproval has not amounted to, and will never amount to, a hill of beans. Opposition from wealthy elites such as Google and Facebook might actually accomplish something.
You have been reminded of your place. This has been a public service announcement.
If major sites are allowed right of way, then many users would refer and link them, if less known sites are better, they will be pushed down the page rank.
with so this means nothing. I have a cage in Fisher Plaza in Seattle near them, and we offered them high five figures to peer with them.
And when should the telcos be able to double charge for the same pipe? Charging the customer for access to the internet and the internet companies for access to the customers?
Really Chairman Pai should fuck off, if there was no plans for Telco's to do this, as he claims, then there is no reason to remove the protection against it.
As it is, they paid a shit load to get all the rules against them removed:
The privacy rule: they already sell anonymized browser history and account details stripped of the basics. Remember Verizon's super cookie? Remember Carrier IQ? They clearly want to sell the full data since they've tried in the past and the FCC has stopped them.
Now they attack Net Neutrality, $20 million spent lobbying to kill Net Neutrality, means they expect to profit from it by more than $20 million.
With Pai in there, every regulation has a price tag on it.
It's not just about websites!
How about we wait for a problem to show itself and THEN fix it? Which probably would include having the Federal Trade Commission apply existing laws against anti-competitive behavior. Letting the FCC, amoeba-like, envelop the entire internet in Title 2 just in anticipation that maybe there might be a problem somewhere down the line is nuts.
throw your weight behind the 2018 mid terms. Make it clear that they'll be blood at the polls when NN gets struck down.
That is one of those plans that "sounds good, doesn't work".
1) NN is a minor issue that will be lost among much larger issues such as immigration, the economy, and health care.
2) The left, and I'm not saying this as a cheap insult, is in shambles with no obvious path to recovery and lots of potential paths to complete disaster. (Example: legislature is considering investigating Podesta's ties to Russia.)
3) The left has no one showing any sign of leadership today, which will come up in 2018 when we examine the past performances of whoever the party chooses to run. (Also true of the 2020 presidential election.)
The only positive thing I can see about the Democratic party today is the plan to choose their political positions by referendum.
The referendum thing could work, it could generate a solid foundation of positions that the people could support, but it's being presented and run in a low-class manner, and apparently the proposals won't be curated to weed out immature political emotion-baiting.
The 2018 elections will be largely in full swing a year from now, and all of Nancy Pelosi's incoherent ramblings, all of Chuck Schumer's self-victimizing, all of CNN's arrogance (and loss of viewers), and every stupid thing the left does between now and then will be put on display for the entire country to see.
Pity that - I'm all for having the parties compete with each other for effective leadership ideas.
Net Neutrality will get another article or two on Slashdot, nerds will feel a brief sense of outrage at the click-bait headline.
And then we'll move on to something else.
Did you forget what sparked Net Neutrality? Verizon and ATnT heads had a conference where they described their plan to charge companies to access their customers. "Why should companies get a free ride"....then they faced opposition and calls for a law to stop them, and paid a bunch of shills to promoted their side...remember "it's a series of tubes" Ted?
So the problem presented itself, fought its side, LOST, and now it's bribed its way into swamp town for a second attack.
There's no proof they didn't?
No shit, it's not possible to prove a negative.
Google and Facebook have deep pockets. If NN is really important to them now's the time to put up or shut up.
But as for nerds moving on, we're in the same boat as most Americans: Worried about our jobs or our shrinking paychecks if we've got jobs. It's hard to focus on anything else. Even those of us that're doing OK need to understand that issues like NN get swamped out by the shear number of folks struggling economically. That's why you don't abandon anyone to the whims of fate. If you leave folks high and dry a demagogue will come along, organize them and turn them against you. It's why after WWII we rebuilt Japan and Europe instead of extracting tribute. It saved us money in the long run. And that run wasn't even that long.
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Facebook's enthusiastic promotion of fake news was a major factor in Trump getting elected. Now he's giving them the kick in the teeth they so richly deserve. Zuckerberg and his cronies will have to buck up or else, because Trump's telcom buddies will be able to carve a nice, big slice out of Facebook's revenue in return for bandwidth.
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
I identify as a heterosexual Russian woman on even days of the week, bigot.
On the day this passed, and the day or two after, for good measure, they would just shut down their landing page and DNS server 8.8.8.8, and wait for the sh*tstorm... then let Congress and that ass Mr. Pai explain what happened and why.
But of course Google loves being a chokepoint and the net stopped being neutral long ago.
president is to start arbitrarily slowing down any traffic from them to anything facebook or google controlled. That would give net neutrality a big boost. Nothing like living/ suffering through the laws that you make to help give perspective.
Barbara Spectre, a jew, tells everyone it's jews orchestrating the muslim migrant problem in Europe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ/ . No migrant raping of women in Poland. Tons in Sweden. Do the math. Use common-sense. This is to get muslims and other goyim/gentiles to wipe one another out as incompatible cultures that will clash and always have.
Left or right handed hetero russian woman? Because I trigger on left handed hetero russian women, and not in a good way. (past trauma, never arrived in the post, long story)
Nobody uses film anymore.
And for that matter, nobody records onto tape either.
We need another verb -- something better than "recording".
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btw, what most people think was the "Russian" hacking was really a pissed off Burney Sanders supporter, who learned the DNC was falsifying the election to make a promising candidate in their own party lose. Since this is embarrassing and could start a mob level revolt leading to a new party, or worse, reform, they made up a scapegoat story to distract the weak minded and gullible from taking action against the truly corrupt people in this story.
"Liberalism is a very noble idea, currently controlled by some very bad people. Be sure you do not get the two confused.
I rest my case, sigh...:
"Trump!!", the new Godwin.
Mobile phone contracts with 'all you can eat' exceptions for Netflix. As one example.
If a member site detects their bandwidth is being throttled by an ISP, they send out a notice and all members of the consortium throttle their bandwidth to the ISP until the notice is revoked.
Targeted throttling by an ISP works because the customer only sees one site being slow, and incorrectly blames the site, instead of their ISP. But if they see a bunch of sites (including Google and Facebook) are also slow, they will properly blame the ISP as the cause of the problem.
Tit for tat is surprisingly effective at fostering cooperation in otherwise competitive environments.
yes
Look @ who runs them (Zucker, Page/Brin, Zuckerberg), the banks etc. Jews believe this of others they call goyim/gentiles (any non-jew): Jews = biggest racists of all (for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were Argentines in the 1940 under Perrone, Spanish inquistion, France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it https://justice4poland.com/2016/12/12/the-hidden-tyranny-shocking-1976-interview-with-zionist-harold-wallace-rosenthal/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud. This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Khazar/Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple):
1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."
2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."
3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."
4. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."
5. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."
6. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."
7. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."
8. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."
9. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."
10. Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."
11. Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."
12. Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves."
13. Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."
14. Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."
15. Gad. Shas. 2:2: "A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."
16. Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible."
17. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces."
18. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."
19. Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy."
20. Seph. Jp., 92, 1: "God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations."
21. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156: "When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so
Not so fast with complimenting Facebook and Google on neutrality:
- They have supported a version of neutrality that allows deep packet inspection to discriminate among types of bits, ex. video vs. web, but not who is sending them. For example throttling adaptive rate video or bittorrent would be okay with them, so long as they don't sell HBO a pass to send video without having their adaptive rate tricked down.
This is a mistake and should not be allowed. All "smart bits" practices should be banned, for all the usual reasons neutrality is important. The history of this approach is:
- charging a quarter for a 160-character message, when the rate to send an equal amount of IP data was much lower.
- blocking VoIP to sell "triple play"
They're still at it.
- Both Facebook and Google have done zero-rating in the third world: Facebook-only plans, or Wikipedia + Google plans. While you can tell positive stories about zero-rating, it's not all positive, and more importantly it's about as un-neutral as you can get.
On the bright side:
- Their employees badly want them to do this, and I suspect the struggle to retain talent is affecting their decisions because that would explain the waffling: reaction to internal morale is always slow. If that's true it's potentially fantastic, if you assume employees will make better long-term social decisions than executives. Given the "fake news" drumbeat to promote liberal politics through censorship, I have doubts, but if they're more concerned with retaining programmers than sociopathic managers and bought-in ad sales guys, this is positive. We deserve our say in the culture wars. We're sick of being treated as unseen, unheard, vaguely icky janitors with no say in the society we enable. We mother fucking built this shit, and we deserve a seat at the table and to eat some of the food on the plate, not have our labour whisked away by a mob of two-legs-good four-legs-bad glad-handed smarmy sociopaths who produce nothing but toxic drama.
- They don't have a business reason to do this. It appears they do, but they don't. They would do fine in an un-neutral world, and may even profit from it. They have the negotiating clout to get a good rate: massive CDNs, critical high-reliability services for which users will blame the ISP not the web site if they're slow, "Google Video Quality Report" / "Youtube My ISP". They're established, so they're the ones that would use a lack of neutrality to shut down a specific scrappy competitor, or to create a generic barrier to entry. Facebook is a walled garden so they've less care for the health of the Internet generally than Google who operates a search engine, and in fact some motivation to be anti-public-Internet so they can capture more of the ad dollars relative to Google. Google has cloud, which could potentially turn into a "premium transit" broker, marking up anti-neutrality fees and passing them on. It's encouraging they're wasting lobbying effort on neutrality without an obvious bottom-line reason to do it, probably even against their stock holders' interests, because it shows stewardship, long-term planning, and some tiny imperfections in the capitalist subversion of the creative elite.
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Other companies that are participating in the protest are.
Are what?