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Lyft Launches a New Self-driving Division and Will Develop Its Own Autonomous Ride-hailing Technology (techcrunch.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: Lyft is betting the future of the road centers on sharing autonomous vehicles. It aims to be at the forefront of that technology with a new self-driving division and a self-driving system car manufacturers could plug into their self-driving cars. The company expects to hire "hundreds" of people for the new division by the end of next year and has just signed a lease for 50,000-square-feet on the first floor of a Palo Alto facility where it plans to build out several labs and open testing spaces. The building Lyft refers to as "Level 5" will be developing its new "open self-driving platform" and a combination hardware and software system still in development. Lyft hopes auto manufacturers will then bring in a fleet of autonomous cars to its ride-hailing network. The plan is somewhat similar to one Uber announced earlier. Lyft's larger rival uses Volvo's XC90 to test its self-driving tech on the roads. Uber announced earlier this year it was also partnering with Daimler to operate self-driving cars on its network.

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  1. Technologies... technologies... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Technolojesus!

    1. Re:Technologies... technologies... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      save me to the cloud, tech jesus

  2. Jobs of Last Resort all gone now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Lost your All-American manufacturing job?
    Not creative enough to write the next Great American Novel?
    Couldn't land your "big break" into the "tech" industry?
    Too ugly for work as an actor-waiter?

    Thought you could make a living by driving?

    Now you're fucked.

    1. Re:Jobs of Last Resort all gone now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if you are creative enough to write the next great American novel, it gets lost in the deluge of self-created ebooks.

      Too ugly for show business? Try politics!

    2. Re: Jobs of Last Resort all gone now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's plenty of big rig driving jobs. There's trade work. And if we're talking no experience needed, there's plenty of fast food jobs.

    3. Re: Jobs of Last Resort all gone now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Pizza Hut next to the hospital I work at is advertising positions starting at $15/hour. This is in the south, too, not an overpriced mega city.

    4. Re: Jobs of Last Resort all gone now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      To be replaced by self driving trucks. How short sighted are you.

    5. Re: Jobs of Last Resort all gone now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be replaced by self service kiosks. How short sighted are you.

    6. Re: Jobs of Last Resort all gone now by davidwr · · Score: 1

      The Pizza Hut next to the hospital I work at is advertising positions starting at $15/hour.

      Really? What's the catch?

      I'm betting it's either a high-cost-of-living area, an area where it's hard to find good workers at all, or the working conditions aren't exactly great.

      Okay, there's a small chance that the management really is forward-thinking and believes that if they pay top dollar and them some, they will have high retention (probably true) and may save money in the long run (iffy).

      Note to fast-food managers: If you want high retention, pay at least a little above market rate (at least 10% more if you can afford to) and treat your employees like gold (except the occasional bad ones - let them go quietly before they bring down your entire work-force to their level). You probably don't have to pay 20+% more than market rate unless all the other restaurant managers are also treating their employees like gold as well.

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    7. Re: Jobs of Last Resort all gone now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When there are truly no jobs left, we will have a revolution or we will have a universal basic income. My money is on the later.

      We are still 10+ years away from mass job loss, so stop whining and get to work, or learn a skill that won't be easily replaced.

    8. Re: Jobs of Last Resort all gone now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Pizza Hut next to the hospital I work at is advertising positions starting at $15/hour.

      Really? What's the catch?

      The Pizza Hut is next door to a mental hospital and the $15/hr is hazard pay for when the fast food workers are expected to catch escaped mental patients. It's a cheaper arrangement than paying for proper security at the hospital. Naturally the turnover rate is sky high since no one wants to corral the unpredictable crazies without any appropriate training.

    9. Re: Jobs of Last Resort all gone now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      There aren't any jobs left now. You can't see the big picture because you're currently employed, but as soon as you're laid off, you'll join the permanently jobless. There won't be a revolution. There won't be basic income. There will be the employed saying, why won't those jobless losers just get a job. Like you're doing, right now.

    10. Re: Jobs of Last Resort all gone now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are there are help wanted signs? At minimum there should be a contract job to take down the signs. At $5 per sign you would make a lot of money.

      Even the retail jobs can't find people. People must be doing good if they have the luxury of not taking jobs. I mean this is now as bad as the tech workers refusing to work for a mere $95K.

    11. Re: Jobs of Last Resort all gone now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better to starve yourself early before a vaporware product gets released sometime in the future? We are at least 15 years from small scale driverless truck deployment.

    12. Re: Jobs of Last Resort all gone now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You realize that if "AC" postings on /. had any credibility whatsoever, your post would be libel.

      Sincerely,
      AC

    13. Re: Jobs of Last Resort all gone now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fake jobs. Try applying for one of those Help Wanted jobs sometime, instead of just driving by and smugly claiming there must be jobs available. Apply, and you will find the owner forgot to take down the sign. You'll be doing a public service if you apply whenever you see a sign because those signs will be removed and then nobody else will waste their time applying for jobs that don't exist.

      tech workers refusing to work for a mere $95K

      More fake jobs. Companies need to advertise openings which don't exist when they promote internally, when they outsource, and when HR wants to justify their own budget.

    14. Re: Jobs of Last Resort all gone now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh god no! After the Pizza Hut sues me, I'll be banned for life from eating at Pizza Hut. The horror!

    15. Re: Jobs of Last Resort all gone now by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Why are there are help wanted signs? At minimum there should be a contract job to take down the signs. At $5 per sign you would make a lot of money.

      There are two reasons. One is that people like to collect job applications so that they have people to call if they fire someone, someone quits, someone gets hit by a bus etc. The other is that there are jobs out there that nobody can live on, or even afford to take. You know, the guy who needs a dishwasher two nights a week, for four hours a night, to fill a hole in his schedule, and doesn't give a shit that it's going to cost you half the pay just getting back and forth. He's happy to put up a sign and just hope that some poor bastard is desperate enough to take the job in exchange for some half-assed shift meal and a few dollars, but not desperate enough to steal from the walk-in. He can write off theft.

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    16. Re:Jobs of Last Resort all gone now by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Thought you could make a living by driving?

      Now you're fucked.

      Kust yesterday in this forum the other bunch of pearl-clutchers was claiming that self-driving vehicles would never come into mass use. Now which fake disaster story are we going to coincide on?

    17. Re:Jobs of Last Resort all gone now by blindseer · · Score: 1

      We've all heard the joke, and it ends with, "but she has a great personality!"

      Lots of ignorant, not-so-good-looking, and generally not talented people can find work in the service industry. People don't like talking to computers on the phone, even if the person on the other end is just punching the equivalent of a touch tome pad for them. I've worked at such places and the buildings that house such people are HUGE. I've often wondered why some of the jobs they had there weren't more automated. Lots of stuff was done on paper, and there were people where their job was to move paper from one end of the building to the other.

      The reason is that it's cheaper to hire a handful of paper pushers than to hire someone to develop and maintain an automated system, and still have a paper pusher to handle the odd cases that fall outside of the automated system. We might have robots that can flip burgers, but none of them can serve them with a smile. If you have "a face fit for radio" then a happy voice on the phone can make for a lot of happy customers.

      As more things get automated the price of labor goes down for the less talented. These people will have to learn some talents or learn to be nice. There will always be those that can't do either, and they tend to become criminals or politicians, but I repeat myself.

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    18. Re: Jobs of Last Resort all gone now by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There aren't any jobs left now.

      There are plenty of jobs. But the jobs on offer all have at least one of the following problems:
      1. They pay you what you are worth, rather than what you think you are worth.
      2. They don't let you follow your dreams of self-actualization.
      3. The require you to have actual skills.
      4. You have to move.

  3. The thing that I don't get. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why am I supposed to tip a self-driving car?

    1. Re:The thing that I don't get. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Billionaires fat cat don't pay the car a living wage.

  4. Autonomous Ride-hailing Technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So.... cab-hailing robots? We've replaced the human drivers and are now replacing the human passengers?

    1. Re:Autonomous Ride-hailing Technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Of course. You wags always criticize automation by asking, if the corporations only employ robots and don't pay any human workers, who will have any money to buy their products? The corporations have an answer: automated robot consumers. Corporations will use robots to buy each others products and services, and the economy won't need humans anymore.

    2. Re:Autonomous Ride-hailing Technology by John+Jorsett · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Of course. You wags always criticize automation by asking, if the corporations only employ robots and don't pay any human workers, who will have any money to buy their products? The corporations have an answer: automated robot consumers. Corporations will use robots to buy each others products and services, and the economy won't need humans anymore.

      Once again, scifi comes to the rescue: "'The Midas Plague' (originally published in Galaxy in 1954). In a world of cheap energy, robots are overproducing the commodities enjoyed by mankind. The lower-class "poor" must spend their lives in frantic consumption, trying to keep up with the robots' extravagant production, while the upper-class "rich" can live lives of simplicity. Property crime is nonexistent, and the government Ration Board enforces the use of ration stamps to ensure that everyone consumes their quotas. The story deals with Morey Fry, who marries a woman from a higher-class family. Raised in a home with only five rooms she is unused to a life of forced consumption in their mansion of 26 rooms, nine automobiles, and five robots, causing arguments. Trained as an engineer, Morey modifies his robots to enjoy helping to consume his family's quota. He fears punishment when his idea is discovered, but the Ration Board—which has been looking for a way to abolish itself—quickly implements Morey's idea across the world."

    3. Re:Autonomous Ride-hailing Technology by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Of course sci-fi also doesn't need to take reality into account. Assuming the poor are incapable of sustaining themselves, they must be given wealth. Why would rich people give more to the poor than what is absolutely necessary to maintain a civil society where the masses don't riot and start a revolution? Consumption is only good if you don't have to supply the money they consume with, otherwise it's just an inversion of the broken glass parable. If you can break glass and generate business for yourself, great. If you also have to pay the repair bill you're going to end up with less than you put in. Purely destructive activity doesn't benefit society, if you really believe that go out and create jobs through vandalism. While somebody will get paid to fix things, as a whole the community will be poorer.

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    4. Re:Autonomous Ride-hailing Technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...but the Ration Board---which has been looking for a way to abolish itself...

      Oddly enough, that's the most unbelievable part of the story.

      When has any government agency ever looked for a way to abolish itself.

  5. Re:Nixie Pixel, Linux and FOSS vlogger, returns! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    She could be doing porn with a vibrating penguin doll, and I still wouldn't watch.

  6. Jonny Cab trademark is available by davidwr · · Score: 1

    Now all we have to do is worry about copyright lawsuits.

    That, and maybe asphyxiation.

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    1. Re:Jonny Cab trademark is available by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get my ass to Mars.

  7. "Everyone's doing it!" by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    "How hard could it be?" -_-

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  8. So now the truth is out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I guess the real reason for autonomous vehicles is to eliminate jobs. Also the mindset of both Uber and Lyft. It was never about anything else and when it comes right down to it. Eliminating the human factor saves the most money. But of course the proponents will always argue these are jobs nobody wants anyway or are hard to find people to work them. Did you ever think that the people that do might not be able to find any other work qualified for. This person could then become another burden to society on welfare? Be very wary of people who claim they know best, because many times the benefit their after is their own not yours.

    1. Re: So now the truth is out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't give a shit about a lot of types of people. How many people argue against affirmative action by saying companies should be free to hire or fire at will? So don't be surprised when your philosophy is applied against you by others.
      If you think you have the right to force someone to hire you, there are people ahead of you in the line.

      This is like Patrick Henry asking for liberty while he himself owned slaves.
      I believe there is a Biblical parable about that.

  9. Fear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do they really expect this to pay off? And couldn't they have chosen a cheaper place? Renting 50,000 square feet in Palo Alto of all places is definitely a sign of dementia. While it's good to be next to Stanford can they afford it long term? Facilities cost alone must be $5 million. Then you need to buy another $10 million or more in hardware. 100 employees at $250K per year. That's 25 plus 15 million. Is Lyft willing to keep investing $35 million a year in driverless car r&d??

  10. Open by backslashdot · · Score: 1

    They are claiming the tech will be open. I hope so. Open is the only way to do driverless tech. A bunch of different proprietary systems would suck. Especially when dealing with things like merging. Car to car and traffic device to car communication will be important. Although systems should be resilient of cars or devices that lie.

    1. Re:Open by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah it would be like an internet where all sorts of devices with different architectures, software, and capacities were trying to exchange information just based on following established protocols; clearly that concept has no chance.

    2. Re: Open by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, if the internet was based on proprietary systems it would not have worked. The internet IS based on open systems.

    3. Re: Open by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The internet WAS based on open systems.

      FTFY.

  11. Soaking up investor money... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...is what all this talk about AI, VR, and self-driving vehicles is. The CEOs and other officers buy some big houses, but produce nothing of note.

    It's definitely possible each of those have some use/viability, but not to the degree the proponents claim. "AI" isn't real AI, it's automation or simulation/modeling. VR has uses, but AR may be better in work environments. As for self-driving vehicles, I'll start to get worried when self-driving trains make their debut (airport monorail does not count).

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  12. What about BART and the DC Metro? by John+Jorsett · · Score: 1

    Once thing I've wondered: if autonomous technology is getting so close to fruition, how come transit systems like San Francisco's Bay Area Rapid Transit and the Washington DC Metro can't be the first things piloted by it? If an automobile can operate autonomously in a chaotic and messy environment like the streets of a city, a light rail environment ought to be trivial by comparison. Fixed path, limited access, pretty static environment. I'd think you could get the humans out of light rail long before cars are road-worthy. I haven't heard anyone suggesting it, though.

    1. Re:What about BART and the DC Metro? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      how come transit systems like San Francisco's Bay Area Rapid Transit and the Washington DC Metro can't be the first things piloted by it?

      there's no point, labor costs for mass transit are small, one driver per train with hundreds of passengers

      taxis etc are one driver for one or two passengers, much more opportunity for cost savings

    2. Re:What about BART and the DC Metro? by Xrikcus · · Score: 1

      Driverless trains are pretty common. The DLR in London had no drivers from when it opened thirty years ago.

    3. Re:What about BART and the DC Metro? by blindseer · · Score: 1

      One word, liability. That is enough right there but interaction with people plays into it too.

      For a car the cost of a driver is to hire one person for what? One passenger? Maybe four or ten? With a train you have hundreds of people to spread the cost of the driver and that person has the ability to do much more than any computer managing the train.

      For example, a minor mechanical failure could render a train or car powerless to move. Maybe it's just a screw loose, maybe there is a flat tire, or whatever. A driver can perform on the spot maintenance that would require rolling out a repair truck, just to tighten a screw or change a flat.

      Imagine a greater failure, power loss, an accident of some kind, a person having a heart attack. A driver can recognize such things with much greater speed and accuracy than any computer, and actually be able to do something about it.

      A driver on the train isn't there just to manage the train, that person also manages the people. For a large portion of the time that driver might be able to get away with just pushing buttons George Jetson style but I can imagine as automation becomes more prevalent the drivers will have to become more capable to compete. They won't be just drivers, they will have to become reasonably competent paramedics, firefighters, security guards, mechanics, and perhaps more.

      I've noticed a change in the skill set of people in the service industry. They don't just take your money as you pay your bill, they've become your instant friend. The new people are easy to spot since they all seem to ask the same questions, "Do you have any plans this weekend/evening?" or "Isn't that weather/heat/snow something fierce?" They must be getting training on how to interact with customers, and I'd feel more comfortable with it if it didn't seem so forced.

      Along with the ability of a person to improvise and manage unusual situations better than any computer there is the need for people to interact with people. People don't like to talk to a computer even if the person they are talking to is only pushing buttons on a screen for them. The liability of having a lot of people on a train justifies the cost of having a person on the train. The desire of passengers to see and hear a real person "in charge" helps too, even if that person has no real authority.

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  13. doors by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Some train systems have dual doors and are more autonomous. Right now it's taking a long time to get PTC rolled out.

  14. not $15/hr more like min wage + tips or sub min + by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    not $15/hr more like min wage + tips or sub min + tips + a low MR.

  15. Waiting for headline "Lyft plagued by car thefts" by blindseer · · Score: 0

    What keeps an unattended car from getting stripped to the frame? You might have GPS on the car, so you know the locations, you might have cameras, but they rarely provide a clear enough picture to catch anyone. Even so, this is all to respond after the fact, the car can still be stripped before law enforcement arrives. In cases when people are not at risk the police put them at a low priority, as they should.

    Not that many people care about getting caught, prisons are so overflowing in many parts of the nation that unless someone is seen slicing off someone's head on a live stream the "justice" system won't give them more than a few months it prison.

    Then don't send a car to "bad" neighborhoods? Perhaps the car should keep moving unless picking up a person or dropping them off? We've seen in the news of criminals ripping off delivery and cargo trucks at stop lights, even in supposedly "good" neighborhoods. If a driverless Lyft car is stopped at a light then it's a target for theft.

    Perhaps Lyft has this figured out, even if it means allowing some cars to get stripped and claiming insurance to save on having to pay drivers. Perhaps I overestimate the cases of this happening. If low skill people have trouble finding jobs then they turn to crime. Lyft might automate the driving but they might still need a person in the car to fend off thieves, thereby solving the unemployment problem.

    I can imagine a day where Lyft will be advertising jobs for people with licenses to carry weapons, instead of licenses to drive.

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