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Intel Accuses Qualcomm of Trying To Kill Mobile Chip Competition (cnet.com)

Intel has jumped into the fray surrounding the Apple-Qualcomm patent spat by accusing the world's biggest maker of mobile phone chips of trying to use the courts to snuff out competition. From a report: The chip giant made the allegation late Thursday in a public statement (PDF) to US International Trade Commission. The commission had requested the statement as part of its investigation into Qualcomm's accusation that Apple's iPhones of infringe six of Qualcomm's mobile patents. Specifically, Intel said, the case is about quashing competition from Intel, which described itself as "Qualcomm's only remaining competitor" in the market for chips for cellular phones. "Qualcomm did not initiate this investigation to stop the alleged infringement of its patent rights; rather, its complaint is a transparent effort to stave off lawful competition from Qualcomm's only remaining rival," Intel said in its statement. "This twisted use of the Commission's process is just the latest in a long line of anticompetitive strategies that Qualcomm has used to quash incipient and potential competitors and avoid competition on the merits."

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  1. Hey kettle! You're black! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Next up: Wells Fargo accuses a competitor of corruption and fraud.

  2. Corporations are Natural Monopolies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Corporations are natural monopolies. Peons compete for corporate favor. That is the order of things.

    1. Re:Corporations are Natural Monopolies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Governments are natural monopolies. Peons lobby the ruling class for social and legal favor. That is the order of things.

    2. Re:Corporations are Natural Monopolies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Governments are natural monopolies. Nobles pay the ruling class for social and legal favor. That is the order of things.

  3. If only Qualcomm had integrity like Intel by JoeyRox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With their secret back-room payments to Dell to keep AMD out of their machines. The only thing a monopolist hates more than competition is another monopolist.

    1. Re:If only Qualcomm had integrity like Intel by rmdingler · · Score: 1
      The only thing a monopolist hates more than competition is another monopolist.

      Errrr...

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    2. Re:If only Qualcomm had integrity like Intel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my industry, it is generally known that Intel doesn't win big accounts, they buy them. This isn't quite the same thing as using the courts to kill the competition, but the ethical standard is similar.

    3. Re:If only Qualcomm had integrity like Intel by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      Don't forget blocking Nvidia from making chipets for Intel chips thus driving Nvidia out of the motherboard business, rigging benches with ICC, and large payments to several gaming companies to get them to use ICC to compile their games. I'm personally betting for their next trick now that Threadripper is tearing them a new asshole they will release a "super cripple" ICC that will make Ryzen chips perform worse than Netburst, after all nobody has bothered asking whether the games Intel is supposedly beating Ryzen with are compiled with ICC, wanna bet that they are?

      If there was ever a company that needed to be broken up because of illegal market rigging? Its Intel, they make Gates era MSFT look like it was run by the Care Bears. How the CEO of Intel didn't end up in prison only shows that there is one set of laws for rich people and one set for poor.

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    4. Re:If only Qualcomm had integrity like Intel by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      Pragmatically, if it is not possible to avoid infringing on Qualcomms patents, then the industry must have let Qualcomm have this position in exchange for something. It don't think its a good idea to ever let patent holders infringe on the patents of other patent holders. Can't let it happen.

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    5. Re:If only Qualcomm had integrity like Intel by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      A lot of these math-heavy benchmarks use Intels Math Kernel Library which last I knew still cripples on anything that isnt "GenuineIntel"

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    6. Re:If only Qualcomm had integrity like Intel by iampiti · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty ignorant of professional game development but I thought most commercial software for Windows was compiled with Microsoft's compiler.

    7. Re:If only Qualcomm had integrity like Intel by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Nope Intel offers millions in bribes....err i man "advertising partnerships" to get benchmark companies and triple A games they think are gonna be big to use ICC.

      If you want to see how big a difference using ICC makes over a CPU agnostic compiler like GCC makes? Look at these Vishera benchmarks and then go look at the other sits using windows benches...funny how many of those using windows benches have such horrible scores (one even had the i3 beating the 8350, yeah and my mama is a car) while Linux magically has the FX-8s performing exactly as you would expect them to right between the i5 and i7 depending on how heavily threaded the load is.

      Or if you want something really in depth? Just type in "Intel cripple compiler" into your favorite search engine and you will find dozens of pages of researchers testing the Intel compiler and seeing how badly it rigs the code, hell one even took a Via CPU (the only CPU you can softmod the CPUID) and just by changing it to "Genuine Intel" suddenly that Via chip magically gains 35% in benches!

      The hilarious part? Intel tried to claim they were merely "optimizing for their own designs because they know what they can do" but the researchers blew that all to hell because the first chip to be crippled? NOT an AMD but...an Intel! The first P4s were getting its ass royally kicked by the cheaper P3s running at the same clock speeds, Intel releases ICC, pays a ton to get benchmark companies to use it and...voila! The next year the exact same P4s against the exact same P3s and the P4s won by nearly 30%! Isn't that amazing?

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  4. Do tell, Intel... by DRJlaw · · Score: 4, Informative

    Do tell, Intel, do tell.

    All for robust competition in mobile... so long as it is only in mobile baseband.

    1. Re:Do tell, Intel... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With Jews you lose.

      Only losers lose to Jews

  5. Hahahahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    If the premise of the lawsuit is true, it couldn't have happened to a nicer company. The company that tried to crush it's competition in every way you can think of including trying to copyright a three digit number.

    Qualcomm is innovating. Intel isn't. I see Qualcomm coming out with 5G technologies. What's Intel doing? Nothing beyond incremental improvements to process technology.

    1. Re:Hahahahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh QCOM is innovating (mostly 20 years ago) however make no mistake the end of the patent era is upon them. They bought one of the largest parts suppliers to remain somewhat relevant. Intel on the other hand has memory (SSD) which they share with micron and x86. They are milking those as much as they can. QCOM thinks the future is ARM. They are right but not in the high end. That is owned by Intel.

      This BS you are seeing is just both companies posturing to get a better deal. They are both very good at it.

  6. JAJAJA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Intel? the last competition to qualcomm? this guys havent realized yet that they are not even in the list, intel share of Soc market is almost zero.
    I think Allwinner has more market share than intel in the soc market.

    1. Re:JAJAJA by Desler · · Score: 2

      This is about cellular modems.

  7. Pot calls kettle black by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    News at 11

  8. Since when... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... does Intel make mobile phone chips? Last time I checked, Qualcomm is only company who makes them.

    1. Re:Since when... by Desler · · Score: 1

      This is about cellular modems which Intel does make.

    2. Re:Since when... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which phones have one? Everything I've ever owned is Qualcomm

    3. Re:Since when... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They had a few in the mid 2000s but they pretty much disappeared. They even had an android version for a bit.

      They screwed up selling of xarm. They have been suffering on it ever since.

    4. Re:Since when... by Desler · · Score: 1

      There's this one called the "iPhone" that Apple sells a 10s of millions of each quarter.

  9. Pot vs. Kettle by Proudrooster · · Score: 1

    Yes, Qualcomm is trying to establish a monopoly which is a page from the Intel play book when Intel tried to crush and run their competition out of business, like AMD.

    It's terrible when someone uses your own tactic against you. I guess it is time to innovate Intel! You missed the mobile boat and tried to lockup the desktop, too bad no one is using desktops anymore at their primary computing device.

    Did AMD go in the corner and cry? No, they innovated and now we have Ryzen!

  10. Such hippo-crasy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This from Intel? with a 30+ yr track record of anti-competitive behavior, including:
    - dirty tricks re: Compaq and their fast PC bus (https://news.slashdot.org/story/17/07/10/1445211/benchmarking-utility-shows-amd-ryzen-rapidly-stealing-market-share-from-intel) search for "powerhouse".
    - operation Crush
    - doing anything and everything to kill non-Intel 64-bit chips with Itanium garbage (calling it Itanic is being technically generous).
    - over-the-top sales approaches ('marketing supplements' or some such name) to incentivize companies to help perform the above, including vs. purchases of AMD Opterons.

    I hope the courts accept their suggestions for proposed remedies, and apply such to Intel for their RICO-like anti-competitive practices.

    1. Re:Such hippo-crasy by unixisc · · Score: 1

      On your third point, killing off the RISC chips w/ Itanium was not Intel's 'fault', but that of the various lemmings that blindly followed it. HP I can understand, since it started off as their project to do a one-up on RISC by mainstreaming VLIW, so I don't blame them for putting PA-RISC to pasture.

      I do however blame Compaq, which killed off the Alpha in favor of Itanic, even to the extent of migrating VAX to this, which made no sense. HP could not be expected to support the Alpha once they acquired Compaq, since they already had PA-RISC which was going over to Intel. But the other guys - SGI - had to be smoking something to abandon MIPS for Itanium. Same for Cray. Sun didn't jump ship, but once they became Oracle, they allowed the SPARC to go into obscurity. And IBM still lives in a fantasy land where they think Power will have a niche, given how they allowed PowerPC to wither on the vine vis a vis Apple: Intel 64 has already made deep inroads into the supercomputing realm.

  11. This just proves how much better Qualcomm is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    than Intel. They're having to resort to lawyers rather than competing on a technical level.

    1. Re:This just proves how much better Qualcomm is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They did make the first microprocessor the 4004, so we should give them some credit.

    2. Re:This just proves how much better Qualcomm is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In 1971 which was when I started college. When do we put an end to our respect for them being the first?

    3. Re:This just proves how much better Qualcomm is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 4004 was released over forty-five years ago. When do we finally stop allowing them a monopoly on microprocessors?

    4. Re:This just proves how much better Qualcomm is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They helped humanity so all other companies should be prevented from making microprocessors.

    5. Re:This just proves how much better Qualcomm is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What monopoly on processors? Last I checked mobile devices are full of processors from anybody but Intel for the most part.

  12. Which Qualcomm product... by unixisc · · Score: 2

    ...is Qualcomm trying to get Apple or anybody to buy? Apple uses its own CPUs in iPhones & iPads, but uses either Intel's or Qualcomm's cellular modem chips. If they use the latter, they have one advantage: they can use it for Verizon, Sprint or other legacy CDMA carriers whose legacy 2G networks in areas lacking 4G or even 3G are CDMA. If they use Intel's cellular modems, then they can sell it to the rest of the world's GSM markets, whose legacy networks are GSM and where Qualcomm patents are not involved. So what exactly is the Qualcomm-Apple spat about? Is Qualcomm trying to get Apple to use Dragonball CPUs instead of the latter's own A line of CPUs?

    As for Intel, why don't they simply license Qualcomm's technology, or have an agreement w/ Qualcomm where Intel would be at liberty to make chips using Qualcomm patents, and in return, they fab chips for Qualcomm? Right now, from what I understand, Qualcomm uses TSMC & Samsung, but they could use Intel too as a fab, and get some of the most advanced processes, and the advantages that come w/ it. It's not like the 2 compete head to head, the way Intel & AMD do.

    1. Re:Which Qualcomm product... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple do license QC's IP. They have been ever since the first iPhone.
      What the argument is about is QC's 'double dipping' where QC charges Foxconn etc a license for the chips and then charges Apple another license based upon the sale value of the phone i.e. a percentage of the price that punters pay for the phone for their IP.
      Intel does not do this not do any other suppliers AFAIK.

      QC have been found guilty of illegal business practices in THREE different countries already.

      Apple don't like having to pay twice for the same IP and even more they hate having to give QC a percentage of the iDevice's RSP when no other supplier does that AND when that IP falls under the scope of FRAND.

       

    2. Re:Which Qualcomm product... by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Thanks for explaining this. Qualcomm does appear to be overreaching. Why would a contract manufacturer like Foxconn have to pay licenses for something they're making for someone else who holds a license? At a chip level, I would understand - any fabs that Qualcomm uses to manufacture their cellular modems would have to be a licensee to make it in the first place, but Foxconn assembles those PCBs & makes phones. In what way does Foxconn use those patents that are already built into the parts that it's assembling?

      And my observations on Intel remain - they should be one of the fabs Qualcomm uses, rather than make their own modem chips that break compatibility w/ previous gen CDMAs

    3. Re:Which Qualcomm product... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TSMC & Samsung already have some of the most advanced processes, Intel's process lead has disappeared.

      Also, RF chips like modems are generally not fabbed on bleeding edge process nodes.

  13. I remember by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember when Intel tried to kill off desktop chip competition. It was only today...

  14. How quaint a source for this accusation by mysidia · · Score: 1

    As if Intel would hesitate to use litigation or the threat of litigation over violation of real or imagined IP rights in effort to attempt to prevent or eliminate competition.

  15. Re: This just proves how much better Qualcomm is.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We need to respect people that were the first.

  16. Intel is an innovater by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    there is no fact supporting that the competitors of Intel were enter8ng a succuessful product line to market since everything that competrs to Intel hints of compatibilities infringing or mimicking Intel. Every corp is trying to steal busines fom Intel, not actually producing to satisfy customers of it's own.

    With that obviously being stated above, who would file,monopoly anti-trust charges? It screams it.

  17. Sour grapes. Let's sue Intel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's sue Intel for the same practices for the past 30 years. Just because today AMD is making a comeback doesn't mean they haven't been in the same dominate position.

    So, yea, let's sue everyone with money. The DummyCrap parties way to pay for the future.

    Like all those trips to Mars that, oh wait, are NEVER going to happen as of yesterday's news.lol

  18. Netbooks and WinRT... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    there is no fact supporting that the competitors of Intel were enter8ng a succuessful product line to market since everything that competrs to Intel hints of compatibilities infringing or mimicking Intel. Every corp is trying to steal busines fom Intel, not actually producing to satisfy customers of it's own.

    With that obviously being stated above, who would file,monopoly anti-trust charges? It screams it.

    Intel basically killed netbooks by *requiring* them to be crap so they wouldn't compete with their notebook space. Nvidia had a perfectly good chipset with a mid-range embedded GPU that could pair an Atom or low-end Penryn CPU and provide reasonable notebook performance, but Intel used their marketing muscle to kill that business by forcing OEMs to use their own crappy chipset/gpu with low-end CPUs so they wouldn't kill their lucrative notebook business model. Only Apple had enough clout to force intel to sell them low-end CPU to pair with this Nvidia chipset for a MacBook. Eventually Intel had to settle for $1.5B to avoid going to trial over this illegal monopoly anti-trust business tactic.

    Then Intel made a deal with Microsoft to cripple the original WinRT. The original developer version of WinRT allowed Win32 executables compiled to Arm instruction set allowing developers of Win32 apps to target WinRT simply by re-compilation. By the time the Intel was done "explaining" things to Microsoft they pulled this feature and required Metro apps by they got to their first WinRT1.0 version (but of course after all office apps were created for WinRT by cross compilation). Of course now with a weakened Intel, Microsoft is back with Win10-ARM (deja-vu).

    Nobody was "infringing" anything on Intel here. Intel simply sensed that their business was going to get hurt by their customers favoring these competitive products and used their muscle to freeze out the competitors.

    Intel? Good riddance.

  19. Re: This just proves how much better Qualcomm is.. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

    The two problems with that are 1) what constitutes "respect" and 2) what is the "respectable" value of being first in a completely arbitrary metrics like the degree of integration, especially if the metrics is rather fine. Praising Intel for the 4004 is a little bit like praising the first person to run 100 meters under 10 seconds. It's a nice piece of trivia but not qualitatively different from breaking any other 100 m record.

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  20. Intel doesn't like competition by Wowsers · · Score: 1

    Intel is in bed with Microsoft to remove competition from other non Microsoft Operating Systems - that is, Linux etc. from being installed on users computers. This is what the whole "trusted computing" concept is all about, nothing to do with security, but to stop competitors. Intel and Microsoft want a nice cosy cartel like Apple has to stop competition. The problem is, our politicians are corrupt, as are the courts. They refuse to do anything about his cartel.

    Just this week Microsoft has said they will stop Windows 10 upgrades (except security), on more devices using certain Intel processors. Either buy a new system, or see your machine die.

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  21. Boo hoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody ever accused Intel of making a mobile chip that didn't suck.