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Kaspersky Drops Antitrust Complaint After Microsoft Promises To Make Changes To Windows 10 (theverge.com)

Security firm Kaspersky said Thursday it was withdrawing its European antitrust complaint against Microsoft after the software giant promised to make changes to the upcoming Windows 10 Fall Creators Update that have appeased Kaspersky and help its anti-virus software provide notifications and alerts to renew virus definitions. From a report: Kaspersky originally filed its complaint back in June, claiming that Microsoft disabled its anti-virus software during Windows upgrades and that the software maker was using its dominance to "fiercely promote" its own Windows Defender software. Microsoft admitted in late June that Windows 10 prompts to install a new version of anti-virus from third parties like Kaspersky after an update, but it disables the old version if it's not compatible. Microsoft now says it "will work more closely with AV vendors to help them with compatibility reviews in advance of each feature update becoming available to customers." The software maker will also provide better visibility of release schedules for Windows 10 updates, giving anti-virus vendors more time to test changes.

31 comments

  1. So by fubarrr · · Score: 0

    Will they let us install KGB viruses again?

    1. Re:So by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Will they let us install KGB viruses again?

      At least they will keep the CIA virii busy.

  2. Not compatible? by smooth+wombat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    but it disables the old version if it's not compatible.

    What does that mean? How can software be good on an OS, but a second later it's not, all because of an update? What is that update breaking so egregiously that it's preventing people from using the software they've purchased?

    This is why forced updates are bad. A company breaking other people's software, in this case to prevent competition. Didn't we go through this before? What if the software Microsoft breaks is critical to operations? Are they going to reimburse the company when they lose business? Where's a class action lawsuit when you need one?

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    We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
    1. Re:Not compatible? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      jesus christ.

      The "update" they are talking about is to the underlying operating system. What does an AV program do? It protects the underlying operating system. If changes are made to the operating system it's possible that these changes will render the AV software unusable or inefficient until the AV vendor produces a patch that fully supports the new OS.

      And to be clear, this wasn't done to prevent competition, it was done because windows 10 needs to be secured and updated, and just like every fucking OS before it, if major changes take place to the kernal or parts of the OS, some software will need to be updated.

      Where was your FURY when this happened after windows 7 updates? windows 2k? Fuck, what about windows 98?

      Kaspersky needs to patch THEIR software. The argument and possible case comes from the fact that MS didn't provide a means to test and patch their software on the new OS patch version, and is aggressively marketing their own AV solution.

    2. Re:Not compatible? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Unless you are going to post exactly what kernal or OS changes specifically broke the software, your diatribe is pointless and you look like nothing more than a MS lapdog.

    3. Re:Not compatible? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Where was your FURY when this happened ...

      Because MS did not DISABLE installed software. And it need not do it this time, it can instead offer a WARNING POP-UP. It's not like the software will not actually execute, rather due to OS changes its directory searches, etc may be off. But it still 'runs'.

      >Kaspersky needs to patch THEIR software.
      YES but AFTER a ms update, not before. How can 3rd party companies & their software do anything but react? They're not sitting under ms exec's desks waiting for treats. How pray-tell can an app pre-update before the OS updates- huh?

    4. Re:Not compatible? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If major changes take place then Microsoft should call it Windows 11 and put the choice of upgrading in the user's hands.

      Microsoft's approach will soon backfire. When a vendor proposes a hardware+Win10 combo (like a hospital scanner), buyers now push back because it's likely that Microsoft will force an incompatible change to the OS and the vendor not be around, making the hardware unusable.

    5. Re:Not compatible? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      windows 10 needs to be secured and updated

      I really wish Microsoft and their shills would stop beating people over the head with "SECURITY!!" whenever they start complaining about the bullshit they pull.

      "We need to fuck up your system/workflow/entire afternoon because security" just isn't cutting it with me anymore.

    6. Re:Not compatible? by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      Where was your FURY when this happened after windows 7 updates? windows 2k? Fuck, what about windows 98?

      Simple. We had a bit more control. We could turn off automatic updates with those systems. Has anybody built a comprehensive block that doesn't need constant monitoring for Windows 10? I hope that answers your question.

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    7. Re:Not compatible? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows 10 is apparently a rolling release, they aren't afraid to make breaking kernel, API and technology changes every damn update because of that it seems.

    8. Re:Not compatible? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't that use some embedded form of Windows with a slower release cycle? At the very least, it could use Enterprise Windows on an LTSB - what hospital doesn't have an Enterprise setup?

    9. Re:Not compatible? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      They said secured and updated. These are feature update releases, not just security updates. But these new features are required to be installed in order to continue to be eligible for security updates. Maybe someone in the EU will finally see this as bundling as severe as IE was and put up a fight.

    10. Re:Not compatible? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you are tied in to the OS at the level AV products are, it doesn't take a major change to break compatibility.

    11. Re:Not compatible? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Disagree. He/she doesn't need to know what specifically changed, and certainly is under no obligation to post that information just to preclude stupid responses such as yours.

    12. Re:Not compatible? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A person: The Sun is hot
      You: Citation needed

    13. Re:Not compatible? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Butthurt much?

    14. Re:Not compatible? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would a hospital scanner need internet access? Without internet access, you can't get the updates. And a hospital would likely be running WSUS. How much lead paint did you eat as a child?

    15. Re:Not compatible? by Waccoon · · Score: 1

      It means exactly what they said. They disable an application "just in case" because there's way too much software out there to test for compatibility. Much in the way that apps rigorously tested and rubber-stamped for approval for the company store, but if they turn out to be mal-ware, they're pulled after the damage is done. For your protection!

      Seriously, I can't believe how much software was automatically deleted (with no prior warning) from my Windows10 evaluation build after the update from Windows7. Microsoft's rampage against "incompatibility" is just one of the many things that convinced me to stick with Windows7, which has always been compatible with everything no matter how many times I've updated it over the years.

    16. Re: Not compatible? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      98 didn't even have automatic updates, iirc.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  3. "promises" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'll respect you in the morning

    The check is in the mail

    I won't come in your mouth

    We'll fix it in a later version

  4. Putting a bandaid on a blown off hand. by Noishkel · · Score: 2

    On again one corporation gives a hand-job to another. Notice how nothing in this article speaks of how how Microsoft complete screwed up everything about Windows 10's roll out when it began breaking third party software. So basically Microsoft decided to 'promises' to fix it in an update, so everyone just let's it slide?

    Yeah, I don't think so Microsoft. You already had your chance. And Kaspersky really screwed the pooch here when they backed off before the fix was provided.

  5. AV is basically extortion. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Your subscription is up, that's a nice collection of documents. It'd be a damn shame if something happened to them, not only are we not going to continue protecting you if you don't pay up, we put the screws to Microsoft so they won't step in and help either"

    All 3rd party av in the consumer space basically uses the mafia business model. I'm sorry ms had to back down.

    1. Re:AV is basically extortion. by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Unless the AV companies are creating the malware, your comparison breaks down really quick.

    2. Re:AV is basically extortion. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe next time use a definition of "extortion" that doesn't encompass cable subscription, ISPs, gas, electricity, etc.

    3. Re: AV is basically extortion. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What makes you think they're not?

  6. Why Do All These Homosexuals Keep Sucking My Cock? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    Look, I'm not a hateful person or anythingâ"I believe we should all live and let live. But lately, I've been having a real problem with these homosexuals. You see, just about wherever I go these days, one of them approaches me and starts sucking my cock.

    Take last Sunday, for instance, when I casually struck up a conversation with this guy in the health-club locker room. Nothing fruity, just a couple of fellas talking about their workout routines while enjoying a nice hot shower. The guy looked like a real man's man, tooâ"big biceps, meaty thighs, thick neck. He didn't seem the least bit gay. At least not until he started sucking my cock, that is.

    Where does this queer get the nerve to suck my cock? Did I look gay to him? Was I wearing a pink feather boa without realizing it? I don't recall the phrase, "Suck my cock" entering the conversation, and I don't have a sign around my neck that reads, "Please, You Homosexuals, Suck My Cock."

    I've got nothing against homosexuals. Let them be free to do their gay thing in peace, I say. But when they start sucking my cock, I've got a real problem.

    Then there was the time I was hiking through the woods and came across a rugged-looking, blond-haired man in his early 30s. He seemed straight enough to me while we were bathing in that mountain stream, but, before you know it, he's sucking my cock!

    What is it with these homos? Can't they control their sexual urges? Aren't there enough gay cocks out there for them to suck on without them having to target normal people like me?

    Believe me, I have no interest in getting my cock sucked by some queer. But try telling that to the guy at the beach club. Or the one at the video store. Or the one who catered my wedding. Or any of the countless other homos who've come on to me recently. All of them sucked my cock, and there was nothing I could do to stop them.

    I tell you, when a homosexual is sucking your cock, a lot of strange thoughts go through your head: How the hell did this happen? Where did this fairy ever get the idea that I was gay? And where did he get those fantastic boots?

    It screws with your head at other times, too. Every time a man passes me on the street, I'm afraid he's going to grab me and drag me off to some bathroom to suck my cock. I've even started to visualize these repulsive cock-sucking episodes during the healthy, heterosexual marital relations I enjoy with my wifeâ"even some that haven't actually happened, like the sweaty, post-game locker-room tryst with Vancouver Canucks forward Mark Messier that I can't seem to stop thinking about.

    Things could be worse, I suppose. It could be women trying to suck my cock, which would be adultery and would make me feel tremendously guilty. As it is, I'm just angry and sickened. But, believe me, that's enough. I don't know what makes these homosexuals mistake me for a guy who wants his cock sucked, and, frankly, I don't want to know. I just wish there were some way to get them to stop.

    I've tried all sorts of things, but it's all been to no avail. A few months back, I started wearing an intimidating-looking black leather thong with menacing metal studs in the hopes that it would frighten those faggots off, but it didn't work. In fact, it only seemed to encourage them. Then, I really started getting rough, slapping them around whenever they were sucking my cock, but that failed, too. Even pulling out of their mouths just before ejaculation and shooting sperm all over their face, chest, and hair seemed to have no effect. What do I have to do to get the message across to these swishes?

    I swear, if these homosexuals don't take a hint and quit sucking my cock all the time, I'm going to have to resort to drastic measuresâ"like maybe pinning them down to the cement floor of the loading dock with my powerful forearms and working my cock all the way up their butt so they understand loud and clear just how much I disapprove of their unwelcome advances. I mean, you can't get much more direct than that.

  7. Time to notify the World Health Organization by hyades1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Breaking third-party software, then forcing their own version down your throat...that's the symptom.

    Windows 10...THAT is the disease.

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    I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
    1. Re:Time to notify the World Health Organization by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Translation: Derp derp derp.

  8. Notifications are hard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it really that hard to provide notifications and updates in Windows?

  9. promises promises by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    oh look microsoft is making promises, doesnt mean they have to keep them. windows 10 sucks!

    1. Re:promises promises by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > oh look microsoft is making promises, doesnt mean they have to keep them.

      With the kind of background Kaspersky Lab has, breaking promises probably means finding Polonium-210 in your tea.