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US Military To Create Separate Unified Cyber Warfare Command (securityweek.com)

wiredmikey quotes a report from SecurityWeek: President Donald Trump has ordered the U.S. military to elevate its cyber warfare operations to a separate command, signaling a new strategic emphasis on electronic and online offensive and defensive operations. "I have directed that United States Cyber Command be elevated to the status of a Unified Combatant Command focused on cyberspace operations," Trump said in a statement Friday. The move would expand the number of the Defense Department's unified combatant commands to 10, putting cyber warfare on an equal footing with the Strategic Command, the Special Operations Command, and regional commands. Until now cyber warfare operations have been run under the umbrella of the National Security Agency, the country's main electronic spying agency, with Admiral Michael Rogers heading both.

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  1. Re:Only need ONE BIG RED BUTTON by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  2. Combat action? by Pikoro · · Score: 2

    So if you get a papercut or spit coffee on your keyboard, do you get a purple heart?

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    1. Re:Combat action? by sheramil · · Score: 2

      You get a purple heart the first time someone hacks your email account. still:

      "separate"

      "unified"

      whatever.

    2. Re: Combat action? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      blah blah airforce joke blah blah

    3. Re:Combat action? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Getting on the office tour medal list is hard work.
      The stress of a second shift and the air conditioning fails.
      A medal for been able to drive to work and plan to arrive at work on time for every mission over a year.
      Keeping the uniform presentable well into the second shift.
      Unexpected use of public transport to get to work and still arrived on time for the mission.
      Fixed the printer under stressful conditions.
      Was able to adapt to all the older office equipment and showed leadership in working all the office equipment.
      Got the floppy drive replaced.
      Worked well with contractors and the military of other nations. Hearts and minds.
      Learned how to use the photocopier and suffered from its harsh bright light. Kept the photocopier working for days so others could get mission critical documents.

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  3. Irrelevant by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As long as you keep insisting of shitty pay and have hard-ass requirements (strict drug screening and physical requirements) then you are going to continue getting people that just aren't that great. On top of that having to take orders from some asshole or face prison time isn't appealing in the least.

    The problem here is that they are trying to fight a war of creativity using the most creativity stifling environment.

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    1. Re:Irrelevant by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      If this gets the NSA out of the hacking and computer defense line of work it's a great plan. Just having ANYBODY actively defending the US computer networks would be a huge advantage (Ex. Russian hacking, China stealing F35 plans).

    2. Re:Irrelevant by dbIII · · Score: 3, Interesting

      As long as you keep insisting of shitty pay and have hard-ass requirements (strict drug screening and physical requirements) then you are going to continue getting people that just aren't that great. On top of that having to take orders from some asshole or face prison time isn't appealing in the least.

      The problem here is that they are trying to fight a war of creativity using the most creativity stifling environment.

      It's the way these things seem to be heading everywhere due to increased risk aversion and HR getting too much power in large corporations in grubby office political games.
      The company I work for is in a field where explosives get used every now and again, so the shot firers have been drug tested (on the demand of the clients) for years. Then the clients insisted anyone driving vehicles should be tested. Then the guys running out cables. Office staff going to the office buildings near the site have been drug tested. The clients HR weenies have even pushed for office staff in the city far away from the site (and in a different company FFS!) to be tested but thankfully their management have not backed them up on the several times it's been pushed back on - so far.

      If it was a tighter market for potential employees then such stupid intrusive shit would be less likely to happen. If it's difficult to replace someone then there is less tolerance for stupid wasteful power games that really have nothing to do with job suitablity in nearly every case.

    3. Re:Irrelevant by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      Your argument is sadly dated.. and your inability to meet the requirements of a job listing.. is your fault.

      Yes, the people in power felt the same way... and they they got humiliated during a public challenge because of it. https://www.theregister.co.uk/...

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    4. Re: Irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      True. Great CS student I know mossed 1/4 mile time by 10ths of a second. Turned down. How's the fat monster who hasn't left his moms basement except to get pizza delivery at the front door going to make it. He's the best.

    5. Re:Irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eh, they contract out to consultants who have those people you speak of. Honestly, I'd prefer the DoD have more cyber capabilities than the NSA and CIA. The DoD actually has integrity.

    6. Re:Irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. I don't see why passing a drug test is a problem in any way. Just don't be a complete idiot and it won't be a problem. As for physical requirements, it's not like you have to look like The Rock. There's plenty of "average" looking folks making it through.

    7. Re:Irrelevant by avandesande · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This would be the one branch where you would have really good career prospects when you get out.

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    8. Re:Irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have to think that it's not worth the time or effort to apply until they legalize one's drug of choice federally. That would be the non-idiotic thing to do. If they never legalize it, even if one could be a critical asset, tough titty.

    9. Re:Irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot the lovely yearly polygraph that accompanies higher end TS/SCI clearances in the more rigorous agencies. I don't enjoy being treated like a fucking criminal every so often, so I no longer work in that sector.

    10. Re:Irrelevant by Neuronwelder · · Score: 1

      Very well put!

    11. Re:Irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This would be the one branch where you would have really good career prospects when you get out.

      This blatant lie again. People have been telling me my whole life, study computers, get a tech job, and you will earn lots of money. Nothing could be further from the truth. There isn't any money in tech. None.

      I spent my entire life studying. I read computer manuals at the library when I was in grade school. I stayed late to study in the computer lab during high school. I earned a computer science degree in college. I earned another computer science degree in grad school. I have written open source software. I have contributed to open source software.

      And yet I can't find a job. Not anywhere. THERE ARE NO JOBS in your tech industry, and YOU ARE A LIAR.

    12. Re:Irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like you spent too much time studying and not enough time working on your soft skills. I had ZERO degree and actively looked for more niche spaces, even for products I hated. SharePoint is an example that comes to mind. I spent over a decade making mid-six figures in consulting for that shit product because there was demand for it and limited supply of resources on the infrastructure architecture side. I very quickly spun out of that and into the Office 365 when I saw Microsoft starting to kill the on-prem business and the Indians, Mexicans and Eastern Europeans had caught up in the SharePoint market.

      Is the market competitive? Yes, but only if you're not actively targeting areas of high demand and low supply. Shit, should see how much we were paying Twilio devs at one point in time for my wife's company. In other words, less QQ, more pew pew, Sparky. No one owes you a fucking job, despite your education. Especially when assholes like me are willing to work much harder to politic their way into the role you expect and will almost assuredly do it just as well as you.

    13. Re: Irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other words, you're okay with lying to people about careers, and believe the conniving such as yourself better deserve a job.

      If there's anything I've learned reading Slashdot, mid- to upper-class IT people are huge assholes unaware of how lucky they are or how good they have it.

      Some day you'll have trouble finding good work, and some other asshole will blame you, too.

      By telling someone "you don't deserve a job", you're claiming that a person doesn't deserve to build a good life for themselves. How can you excuse such an antisocial viewpoint?

      Politics, indeed. Do the world a favor and jump off a bridge some time.

    14. Re:Irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    15. Re: Irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. I don't lie about careers, I'm flat out honest about it, thus my point about the market being competitive.
      2. I'm well aware of how good I have it. I'm also aware I grew up homeless, joined the military and converted those skills and discipline to effort. I'm also helped by being a white male over 6'5", which gives me an added advantage.
      3. If I have trouble finding work, it's going to be a combination of severe financial issues nationwide (or regionally, but then only temporary impact) and a lack of foresight on my part. I can correct for both.
      4. I didn't say you don't deserve a job. I said no one owes you a job. There's a VERY key difference. And for the record, I'm more of a pragmatist that believe we're approaching where a universal basic income may be more cost effective than various work and welfare programs.

  4. It does the job without the personal liability. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The non-military contractor based way of doing this leaves them open to individual suits against operators which could in turn expose more.

    The individual liability of operators in the military is under that umbrella, replete with Geneva type protections if captured abroad.

  5. A whole command by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just for cyber sex? Ridiculous.

  6. Re: NSA does the crimes slashdot blames Russia for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok then, goat molester.

  7. Chain of Command by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Does anybody think the military is still paying any attention to anything Donald Trump says? Even if they support him, they've probably decided by now that he's just a figurehead that will keep the budget money flowing and maybe give them a chance to try out their toys. I seriously doubt they're listening to anything he says. Maybe when he calls the Pentagon they put Trump on speakerphone and laugh their asses off.

    I keep thinking about General Kelly's body language the other day when Trump was doing his freestyle rap about how there are some "very nice" neo-Nazis and the General Pershing and pig's blood canard. He looked like he'd rather be in Afghanistan driving a humvee blindfolded in Kabul than being responsible for trying to make the flabby sack of cooked oatmeal that is our POTUS look like some facsimile of a competent human being.

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    1. Re:Chain of Command by avandesande · · Score: 1

      He's the commander in chief. It will happen. Obviously you've been reading too much garbage on the internet.

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    2. Re:Chain of Command by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      He's the commander in chief.

      I can hear the generals giggling right now.

      I'm pretty sure the General Pershing thing capped it as far as how much the military respects Trump.

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    3. Re:Chain of Command by avandesande · · Score: 1

      First of all, this has the stink of something the generals recommended to him all over it.
      Second, this kind of stuff is like raw meat for wolves. Think of all the promotions, acquisitions and contracts. They LOVE this kind of shit. The wouldn't care if Ronald McDonald approved it as long as he has the authority.
      Third, it doesn't matter if they respect Trump or not. You think it's the first time any of these generals had to work for a douche-bag? It's the military and they are acutely aware of the chain of command, and at the moment he's the one in charge. It's their job to tell him whatever shit he needs to hear to get the stuff they want out of him.
      Obviously you don't know the first thing about government.

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    4. Re:Chain of Command by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got about as much respect for you as I have for trump. Zero. Your completely irrational. Hitler also was disgusting... didn't stop him from invading or starting WW2. Not sure that's what going to happen with Trump, but Trump hasn't yet murdered all his political enemies or created the same level or environment as Hitler did. But don't think for a moment it couldn't happen. Though it's hard to imagine it given the number of people he'd have to kill. More likely he'd just do what most modern leaders do and create the circumstances that given him the power to do what he wants. Just like Bush did.

    5. Re:Chain of Command by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given the amount of people he's fired, and how many leaks are coming from all angles, it's fairly obvious no one cares what he thinks.

      "Obviously you've been reading too much garbage on the internet."

      You mean like Breitbart, Infowars and Fox News's coverage of Bowling Green, Pizzagate and Seth Rich?

      Yeah, that's some garbage alright.

    6. Re:Chain of Command by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Obviously you don't know the first thing about government.

      That's not a problem. *Trump* not knowing the first thing about government... Now there's a problem.

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    7. Re:Chain of Command by gtall · · Score: 1

      No. This idea has been kicking around NSA (its chief and former chief support it), the Pentagon, and Congress. It would have happened sooner but they couldn't line up their ducks properly since it is a large mission and you cannot just throw together the internal bureaucracy to handle it over night. It first started to surface during the Obama Administration.

      el Presidente Tweetie announcing it now rather than the Pentagon doing it is just another Wookie defense of his administration..."uh-oh, damn, they caught us out...look at that Wookie over there."

    8. Re:Chain of Command by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      It's the military and they are acutely aware of the chain of command, and at the moment he's the one in charge. It's their job to tell him whatever shit he needs to hear to get the stuff they want out of him.

      That's my point, and it sounds like we agree. Trump is only nominally "commander-in-chief" of the military. They're using him to get what they want.

      I don't believe that there's a single general in the military, active or retired, that has any respect for Donald Trump. For the most part, he's their useful idiot.

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    9. Re:Chain of Command by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First of all, this has the stink of something the generals recommended to him all over it.

      Separating Cyber Command and the NSA has been the plan for years. They've been tied together to help bootstrap Cyber Command using NSA resources.

      The new Cyber Command HQ was just built in August, GA. They're still moving people down there, and from what I read it'll become operational in 2018.

      What surprises me a little bit is how cybersecurity efforts are still moving along under the Trump admin. It's the only thing I see going well. The Cybersecurity Executive Order was all sane. The move to separate Cyber Command and the NSA has been planned, and makes sense. High-level infosec policy wonks were worried Trump would throw out Obama's previous cybersecurity strategy, but that didn't happen. The thinktanks and thought leaders hoped he would follow the existing path, and that's what the Trump admin has done. I wonder if this is all so far over Trump's head, he's letting the adults handle it.

      Obviously you don't know the first thing about government.

      I don't think that comment was fair, but I'd agree the generals aren't laughing about Trump. They know the stakes better than the rest of us. And as you observe, they already know how to handle civilian leaders.

    10. Re:Chain of Command by avandesande · · Score: 1

      What was your point then? The subordinates hate the boss and think he's dumb? It happens all over the place.

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    11. Re:Chain of Command by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      What was your point then? The subordinates hate the boss and think he's dumb?

      Yes, that was exactly my point.

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    12. Re:Chain of Command by avandesande · · Score: 1

      Well keep patting yourself on the back about what a big dummy Trump is, even if it doesn't change anything.

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    13. Re:Chain of Command by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, because he is the Commander in Chief.

      No, the military has a specific chain of command.

      I will now submit your comments to the newly formed Google/ProPublica hate crime database as spreading hate think to the duly elected representative of people.

      All heil group think

    14. Re:Chain of Command by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's the commander in chief.

      I can hear the generals giggling right now.

      I'm pretty sure the General Pershing thing capped it as far as how much the military respects Trump.

      You respect the office, not the man.

      The president is the commander in chief. According to the chain of command, his orders will be passed down, and followed. As a person in military service, you follow the orders passed down to you by your commander. You do not decline an order because you do not respect the person up the chain who issued the order.

    15. Re:Chain of Command by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      You respect the office, not the man.

      At this point, I doubt the military respects either one. Even people who support the president don't really respect him any more.

      The president is the commander in chief. According to the chain of command, his orders will be passed down, and followed.

      I don't think anyone, especially the military, expects Donald Trump to be able to give anything like a coherent order. You can't follow an order if it's gibberish.

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  8. Re: NSA does the crimes slashdot blames Russia for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes Trump truly is the chosen one. Rattling sabers with NO after repeatedly claiming he'd love to talk during the campaign.

    You conspiratards really bought the whole cow this time.

  9. Meanwhile, the solution goes ignored by ka9dgx · · Score: 2

    Capability based security could render all this stuff moot. Operating systems that trust everything the applications do are inherently insecure.

    1. Re:Meanwhile, the solution goes ignored by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Re Capability based security could render all this stuff moot.
      Other nations just use decades of well placed human spies in and around all mil sites.
      Their computer is a fancy wrist watch to keep appointments with overworked US cyber staff who need a new friend to talk to.
      Hours of talk about their long stressful day doing covert cyber warfare.
      A new understanding best friend who always listens.
      The more new workers get rushed into new ranks the more new spies get to join up. Decades later they have moved up in rank or are contractors selling services back to the US mil.
      New faces around any base who are so friendly.

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    2. Re:Meanwhile, the solution goes ignored by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're full of shit.

  10. Southpark by rfengr · · Score: 1

    Why do I envision the WoW guy from Southpark; cyber warrior.

  11. Translation: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    President Donald Trump has ordered the U.S. military to elevate its cyber warfare operations to a separate command, signaling a new strategic emphasis on hunting down his political opponents, and those who would question him.

  12. Re:Only need ONE BIG RED BUTTON by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obligatory: wtfmate? -PCP

  13. DPRK's Steps to Reinforce Nuclear Force Are Just by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aug. 18, Juche 106 (2017) Friday

    DPRK's Steps to Reinforce Nuclear Force Are Just Ones for Preventing Nuclear War

    The DPRK's test-launch of ICBM Hwasong-14 is a stern warning to the U.S. spouting out a flurry of silly jargons to do harm to the DPRK, and its steps to reinforce the nuclear force are the just ones for self-defense to put a definite end to the U.S. persistent nuclear threat and blackmail against the DPRK and prevent a nuclear war on the Korean peninsula.

    The DPRK's steps to bolster up nuclear deterrent touted by the U.S. and its vassal forces is not a threat to global peace and security but the U.S. reckless saber-rattling for nuclear war seriously getting on the nerves of our state is the threat to global peace and security.

    The DPRK dignified with independence will never put the nuclear deterrent for self-defense on the negotiating table and flinch even an inch from the road of bolstering up the state nuclear force already chosen by itself.

    It is no more than a declaration of war against the DPRK that the U.S. fabricated the unprecedented "sanctions resolution" which categorically cut off normal trade activities and economic exchange in the UN by branding the DPRK as the "force to wreck peace".

    All service personnel and people of the DPRK will show their mettle if the U.S. dares ignite a war against the former.

    If an order is issued, we will give vent to the pent-up wrath on the U.S. imperialists and wipe out the aggressors to the last one so that there would be no one left to sign a surrender document.

    The U.S., chief criminal wrecking global peace and security and enemy common to mankind, would meet a miserable doom before long.

    Jo Thaek Bom

  14. Re:DPRK's Steps to Reinforce Nuclear Force Are Jus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hell is full of good wishes and desires. Grow up.

  15. Reorg if you can't do anything useful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reorg if you can't do anything useful. It is an old story and basically blows 12 months.

    This is a waste of money.

    The US Army is building a huge "cyber command" in my state. Too bad it is 4 hrs from anywhere interesting with small-town ideas.
    I grew up in places like that. Never need to relive that experience where the military pushes the townies around, but the townies are still living in the 1950s.
    They probably still teach about the "War of Northern Aggression" there too.

  16. Re:Only need ONE BIG RED BUTTON by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just shooting those puny nukes out of the sky with all this energy in my fingers. Plus, it probably boosted the OP's self-esteem a few points.