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EFF Honors Chelsea Manning, an IFEX Leader, And TechDirt's Editor (eff.org)

An anonymous reader quotes the Electronic Frontier Foundation: Whistleblower and activist Chelsea Manning, Techdirt editor and open internet advocate Mike Masnick, and IFEX executive director and global freedom of expression defender Annie Game are the distinguished winners of the 2017 Pioneer Awards, which recognize leaders who are extending freedom and innovation on the electronic frontier. This year's honorees -- a whistleblower, an editor, and an international freedom of expression activist -- all have worked tirelessly to protect the public's right to know.

The award ceremony will be held the evening of September 14 at Delancey Street's Town Hall Room in San Francisco. The keynote speaker is Emmy-nominated comedy writer Ashley Nicole Black, a correspondent on Full Frontal with Samantha Bee who uses her unique comedic style to take on government surveillance, encryption, and freedom of information.

The EFF describes Chelsea Manning as "a network security expert, whistleblower, and former U.S. Army intelligence analyst whose disclosure of classified Iraq war documents exposed human rights abuses and corruption the government kept hidden from the public." Their annoncement also notes that Annie Game has led the IFEX network of 115+ journalism and civil liberties groups around the world for over 10 years, and that Mike Masnick coined the term "The Streisand Effect" -- and is currently being sued by that man who claims he invented email.

108 comments

  1. Activist? You misspelled traitor by SensitiveMale · · Score: 0, Troll

    What a disgrace.

    1. Re: Activist? You misspelled traitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Yup.

      At least Ed Snowden made an attempt to protect Americans who would be harmed from the whistle blowing. Manning fucked them over, and likely got good people murdered... Then made us pay for his sex change. What an asshole.

    2. Re: Activist? You misspelled traitor by slasher999 · · Score: 1

      Wow, you took the worlds right out of my mouth. This is disgraceful and Manning is a traitor that should rot in prison.

  2. Network Security Expert ? by x0ra · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What are his credentials, beside being able to hide a USB key / burnt CD ? Did he actually report any CVE or provide any exploit ? maybe reported an actual bug ? or any code review ? anything ?

    1. Re:Network Security Expert ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He knows how to network among the socialists and communists.

    2. Re:Network Security Expert ? by x0ra · · Score: 1

      Networking I get it, but "security" ? Come on, it's not as if antifa and black-blocks were hiding themselves, they pretty much evolve in the open, with the support of MSMs...

    3. Re:Network Security Expert ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He has expressed a desire to have his penis removed and his scrotum turned into an open wound. That's credentials enough for most things these days.

    4. Re:Network Security Expert ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least he know what was wrong with this one and did something... Imagine how many lives could had been saved if a whistleblower sounded the alarms at FDA about the sudden death pills peddled as cholesterol-lowering pills, or the big gas leak in California or the systematic corruption inside the banks (well, we normally expect those and that is really sad, but we shouldn't).
      Knowing what is humanely good and wrong and acting accoding to it in these times is really important.. that rare is today to behave humanely.

    5. Re:Network Security Expert ? by x0ra · · Score: 1

      Knowing what is humanely good and wrong and acting accoding to it in these times is really important.

      Like nuking North Korea regime or overthrowing Venezuella's dictator, I guess. See, moral subjectivism at play ;-)

    6. Re:Network Security Expert ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't give 2 fucks for her credentials. Get outta here with your nazi bullshit. You hate her because she's "not straight". You have posted your views and opinions many many times in every nazi thread we've had on here. You do not want civil discourse on this topic. You want to make yourself feel better by shit talking a tranny. You can fuck right off.

    7. Re:Network Security Expert ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Her who? We're talking about some guy that released classified info and then had his dick cut off. Still a an XY male no matter what the altered appearance.

  3. Cancelled my donations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So long EFF.

    You were one great. Now you are nothing.

    1. Re: Cancelled my donations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ACLU recently jumped the shark too, won't protect the free speech rights if groups that open carry. The country is in a very steep downward slide. Thanks identity politics!

    2. Re: Cancelled my donations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The country is in a very steep downward slide.

      ...towards a Second Civil War.

    3. Re: Cancelled my donations by x0ra · · Score: 0

      The country is in a very steep downward slide.

      ...towards a much needed Second Civil War.

      FTFY.

    4. Re: Cancelled my donations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is a civil war going to benefit you? How have you ensured that neither you nor people you care about are killed in this war? You talk a lot of shit but I am certain you haven't thought about the consequences of your stupidity. War is good for no one except weapon builders and hospitals. If there is a war, you'll probably die with the rest of us masses. You are dumb and should feel dumb for being dumb.

    5. Re: Cancelled my donations by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 1

      Yep. Liberals are the violent ones.

      --
      Only crack the nuts that crack. You don't put the ones that don't crack in the sack.
  4. Re:Activist? You misspelled traitor by x0ra · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Well, no, you don't get it. He's actively promoting tax payer funded genital mutilation in professional non-combat environment, as well as the following multi-year hormonal follow-up to decrease his physical abilities (had he any to start with).

  5. Chelsea Manning? WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess the drugs flow freely at the EFF. This is the grain of salt I will now have to take with every further EFF pronouncement, and they will never live it down.

  6. Re:Activist? You misspelled traitor by Rockoon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I agree.

    Snowden is a hero that responsibly leaked.
    Manning is a traitor that irresponsibly leaked.

    There is a right way to do things, sometimes even several right ways. Manning didnt do any of them.

    --
    "His name was James Damore."
  7. Jumped the shark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    EFF is done - complete joke. SPLC has put Muslims and ex-Muslims who dare criticize Islam like Ayan Hirsi Ali and Majid Nawez on their hate list. These groups buckle under political pressure when they're needed most.

  8. Re: Activist? You misspelled traitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ed Snowden what?
    Yeah .... because getting on a airplane and personally handing over terabytes of classified information to the PRC and KGB is so "protecting Americans".

  9. Just stopped sending money to eff by WindBourne · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Seriously, whistleblowing and treason can appear similar at times. Both release info on behavior that they have issues with. However, a whistleblower will make sure that classified legal actions are protected. Treason is when classified legal actions are released and was meant to simply harm the nation. Both Manning and Snowden are traitors. Manning never was upset about actions that he released. He was upset that he did not fit into the military. As such, manning simply dumped anything and everything. He is a traitor.

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    I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
    1. Re:Just stopped sending money to eff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "whistleblowing and treason can appear similar at times"

      That is the dumbest thing I've read all day!
      You just make the point along the lines that two separate things might as well be confused with each other, if you just don't give a damn, as if being a complete idiot.

      Just because you find things disagreeable, doesn't make it 'treason'.

    2. Re:Just stopped sending money to eff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You throw around terms like "treason", "traitor" "nation" and "military" as if you pretend to know what you're talking about much like the white supremacists do online.

      I'd suggest you've never contributed to EFF and are a poser.

    3. Re:Just stopped sending money to eff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just stopped sending money to eff

      No, you didn't. You never sent them any money in the first place.

      Neither Manning nor Snowden are traitors.

      People like you are the real traitors to the people of the USA. You should be ashamed.

    4. Re:Just stopped sending money to eff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You won't be missed. Don't let the door hit your dumb ass.

    5. Re: Just stopped sending money to eff by WindBourne · · Score: 2

      Not only have I contributed for years to eff, and contributed OSS, but used to belong to aclu. I am a believer in supporting first amendments and whistle blowers. In fact, I support Snowden for when he blew the whistle on individuals spying on Americans, that was good. But he became a traitor when he told Russia, China, n. Korea, AQ, Taliban, etc how we spy on them. That later part made him a traitor.

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      I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
    6. Re: Just stopped sending money to eff by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Snowden's leaks were necessary, even if they did assist America's enemies. The US has not stopped breaking its own laws, and neither have any of the other FIVEEYS countries involved. The abuses continue, and the only way they will ever stop is if we fix the internet so that they simply can't continue.

      To do that we needed to know how they work, what the capabilities were. We are all better off for knowing that.

      And in the end, I doubt it provided much assistance to any other nation. I'm sure they had a pretty good idea how it worked, since they were doing it themselves. If anything the relative ease with which Snowden took that material and the frequency with which with NSA/CIA tools leak suggest that other nations probably pwned them long before Snowden did.

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      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    7. Re:Just stopped sending money to eff by dbIII · · Score: 0

      So what's David Petraeus then?
      How about Oliver North?
      I'm seeing a lot of "one law for my cronies and another for the common man" going on. It should be about crimes against the state and not leaks against co-workers behaving badly.

    8. Re: Just stopped sending money to eff by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Yes and no. The information about spying on Americans was good. That was whistleblowing. The problem is that he went on to tell where else we we're at outside of America. From America's POV, those were legal operations. We had permission from every single nation that he announced except for his discussion on spying on Russia, and China. Obviously, those were not approved by their governments. And yes, we even had permission to spy on Brazil from certain groups. Why did they all approve? Because nearly all of it was about terrorism. We have stopped a number of attacks in Europe. Snowden was good, up until he talked about legal operations. At that moment, he became a traitor.

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      I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
    9. Re:Just stopped sending money to eff by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      treason IS crimes against the state. Whistle blowing is reporting illegal (or sometimes immoral) actions that others (and might include self) did.
      Snowden is the PERFECT example, since he did BOTH. He whistle blew when he was reporting about the spying on Americans by NSA employees. These were individuals that were up to no good, and NSA was not doing anything to stop it.
      However, he continued and described legal operations the the NSA is SUPPOSED to be doing. That was treason.

      Petraus is NOT treason. He passed classified information to a fellow officer (and his mistress) who did not pass it around. She did NOT have security clearance for it. His intentions was not to harm America. It was simply trying to carry on a conversation with his lover. HUGE mistake. He should have gotten more punishment than what he got (100K fine, busted in rank so lower retirement, and probation; nice, but he should have had SOME amount of jail time since a grunt would have gotten it).
      So what secrets did ollie north share with the world that he was not supposed to do? None that I know of. All he did was follow reagan's criminal orders. All of reagan's admin should have had prison time, but not for treason.

      And manning is guilty of treason because he simply dumped everything, regardless if legal or not. His issues was NOT legality, but wanting to hurt America. He is the VERY DEFINITION of a traitor.

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      I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
  10. Open internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    except if you're a nazi, then no internet for you!

    1. Re:Open internet by x0ra · · Score: 1

      Catch me if you can. ;-)

    2. Re: Open internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nazis can have internet but only in the grubby corners where respectable folks won't have to look at them.

    3. Re: Open internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mmm nope. We're in your schools, your HR departments, your family, and your neighbors. We're fighting for you, even if we have to drag you kicking and screaming.

    4. Re: Open internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      KIKES DOWN
      WHITES UP

  11. How to get an award: Chop-off your nuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    So now having anybody who chop off his nuts is a hero? The guy is NOTHING MORE than a traitor who decided that it was OK to risk the lives of others and their families for the glory of 15 mins of fame.

    And yes ... he is a he, not a she. Just because he got a sexual reconstruction surgery does not change his gender. He is still a guy.

  12. Helpful non-bullshit translation service by elrous0 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Ashley Nicole Black, a correspondent on Full Frontal with Samantha Bee who uses her unique comedic style to take on government surveillance, encryption, and freedom of information.

    Translation: a black woman liberal "performance studies" major who never said jackshit about government surveillance when it was Barak Obama doing it, but who is going to be the keynote speaker at this event because she's the right color, gender, and political affiliation to score us our requisite SJW virtue points, even if she knows fuck-all about technology.

    --
    SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
    1. Re: Helpful non-bullshit translation service by negRo_slim · · Score: 1

      Oh my, that's just painful.

      --
      On the Oregon Cost born and raised, On the beach is where I spent most of my days
    2. Re:Helpful non-bullshit translation service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Found the racist.

    3. Re: Helpful non-bullshit translation service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two actually.

      You and the Ashley chick.

    4. Re:Helpful non-bullshit translation service by x0ra · · Score: 2

      "negative criticism against a minority" != racism/islamophobia/misoginy/xenophobia/lgbtoqiaaphobia

    5. Re:Helpful non-bullshit translation service by elrous0 · · Score: 0

      Found the idiot.

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      SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
    6. Re:Helpful non-bullshit translation service by taustin · · Score: 1

      Indeed. I'm replying to him, Are you wearing your pussy hat?

    7. Re:Helpful non-bullshit translation service by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Informative

      An ad-hominem based on the old "diversity hire" trope, pretty much the worst kind.

      Also, since she is complaining about stuff that started in the Bush era and came to light in the Obama era, which she was still studying for her PhD by the way, it's a little unfair to criticise her for not being on TV at the time or not talking about it now when she clearly is.

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      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    8. Re:Helpful non-bullshit translation service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you honestly believe she was hired purely on the merits of her comic talent, and that no one at the Samantha Bee show even noticed that she just happened to be a black woman, or that the EFF just picked a random comedian to be its keynote speaker this year and only later found out that she was a black woman?

      No, if she were a white male writing the exact same material she wouldn't have even gotten an audition. And deep down you know it, whether you would ever admit it to us or to yourself.

    9. Re:Helpful non-bullshit translation service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes it does.

    10. Re:Helpful non-bullshit translation service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well then, if a minority can't be criticised for any reason I guess we're done as a nation. Let full Balkanization and endless civil war commence, as long as no one gets criticized in the process.

      Heh, captcha is "subtlety". Which is entirely lost on this crowd.

    11. Re:Helpful non-bullshit translation service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Criticize the person, not the group that they 'belong' to.

      You can criticize someone who is in a minority group, but not solely because they're in that group. That's basically the definition of prejudice.

  13. Disgusting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any body else tired of seeing the never ending commercials for the 40 million free Trump phones being handed out?

    1. Re: Disgusting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go back to your cave snown*gger, eat your two scoops, the world is ours now!

  14. EFF = Tech Hipster Left by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can just imagine the arguments they have every afternoon about coffee and craft beers.

  15. Re:Activist? You misspelled traitor by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    Nope. Estrogen increases muscle mass and tone, even without exercise. The effects are enhanced with exercise, and can be quite striking. Also increases lifespan..

    So her lifespan is probably longer than most women (since most aren't on HRT), and definitely longer than if she had stayed a man. Between the two, she's probably gained a decade - and a decade that will be of the same or better quality than a man 20 years younger because of the reduction of risk of stroke, heart attack, hip fractures, better muscle tone, better, more youthful skin appearance, reduced risk of melanomas, etc.

    Finally - a simple pill to extend life span - and it's cheap. Who needs expensive beauty cremes that falsely claim to reduce wrinkles when you can get the real thing? Too bad it's not for non-transsexual XY dudes (or female-to-male transsexuals), just genetic and transsexual women need apply. Guys are stuck with just getting older and pruney, and dying younger. But hey, it's your funeral.

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    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  16. Re:Activist? You misspelled traitor by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you're going to start pointing fingers at traitors, take a look at a few past presidents. It's not like all those wars were necessary to the country as a whole, just to special interests.

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    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  17. Re:Activist? You misspelled traitor by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Manning is a traitor that irresponsibly leaked.

    He could have handled things better. But is it just that he went to prison while the war criminals he exposed did not?

  18. Slashdot = Right-Wing GenX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot has grown up to become middle aged Republicans who earn six figure salaries and don't want to pay a penny in taxes.

    You used to be cool, Slashdot. Now you're just old.

    1. Re: Slashdot = Right-Wing GenX by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Slashdot has grown, as have the parties. Most people's ideologies haven't changed that much over the years, it's just that those ideologies for older people now more overlap with Republicans than Democrats. The platforms for both parties have changed too, most things that Democrats espouse today were Republican platforms 3 decades ago, Libertarians are now closer in regards taxes and guns to Republicans than they are to Democrats.

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    2. Re: Slashdot = Right-Wing GenX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ehh, I bet most of us voted for Obama twice, and Trump once for a good laugh.

      I'm fine with some taxes. I'm fine with gay marriage. I'm fine with abortion that I don't have to pay for. I have some guns, but I'm not excited about it. I like big tits.

      I am Slashdot.

  19. Re:Activist? You misspelled traitor by MobyDisk · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Aggreed. Did manning release anything that benefited the public? It seems more like manning released random documents just because he/she had access to them and felt like it

    I remember some fun tidbits: It was funny to find that some of Iran's allies were asking us to attack Iran. That was the "cut the head of the snake" thing. But the result was decreased communication between us and other nations because they saw that we didn't keep their conversations secret. That benefits no one. We learned some details about Guantanamo Bay detainees - mostly that they were psychotic, had no real charges against them, and were tortured for useless information. But we already knew all that. The rest was just a random dump, probably in the hopes that the press would find something juicy in it to use.

  20. Re:Activist? You misspelled traitor by TimothyHollins · · Score: 2

    Come on, at least read the article first. Not even Buzzfeed would maul the scientific contents that hard.

    1. The muscle gain is only skeletal muscle.
    2. The muscle gain is only compared to very low estrogen levels (and not in relation to testosterone at all) *in post-menopausal women*. We won't be seeing estrogen doping in our OS athletes.

    I would say that you're being disingenuous here, but I think you're closer to outright lying. Second, estrogen treatment for post-menopausal women is on the rise due to the many positive results, including the reductions you mentioned as well as overall cancer risk and other things.

  21. Re: Activist? You misspelled traitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Um, you realize that the Clinton state department forced him to land in Russia, right? It wasn't even a planned stop.

  22. Re: Activist? You misspelled traitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wasn't he planning to go to China? Not much of a difference.

  23. Re:Activist? You misspelled traitor by Amiga+Trombone · · Score: 1

    Interesting reframe. It may be unjust that those implicated in the exposure weren't imprisoned (I make no judgement on that). But that doesn't make Manning going to prison unjust in the least. Different cases, different outcomes. They have nothing to do with each other.

  24. Re:Activist? You misspelled traitor by x0ra · · Score: 1

    Nope. Estrogen increases muscle mass and tone

    Every bodybuilder wet-dream ! Oh wait, no they're just loading with tes and gh :-/ [including females]

  25. Re:Activist? You misspelled traitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Breathing air increases muscle mass and tone" also. Because you are not dead, and oxygen is a critical ingredient.

    Because testosterone gives you shredded, hypertrophic guns. And estrogen turns you into a pear-shaped weirdo with bitch tits.

    That's why so many transexual are so fucking ugly too. They were a fat ugly weirdo before "taking estrogen" and then they get even more rounded and sloppy looking. Really does it matter if you skin looks younger if you already look like a fat neanderthal

  26. Re:Activist? You misspelled traitor by taustin · · Score: 0

    If you believe Snowden has been allowed to live (and not die) in Russia all these years without turning over unredacted copies of all the classified information he stole, you seriously need to start taking your meds. Whether it was his intention or not, he has made his peace with Russia, and they've benefitted from it at leas as much as he has.

  27. Re:Activist? You misspelled traitor by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    You missed the point with your analogy. We're talking about a muscle mass and strength increase (with exercise), not just maintenance of existing muscle.

    That's why so many transexual are so fucking ugly too. They were a fat ugly weirdo before "taking estrogen" and then they get even more rounded and sloppy looking. Really does it matter if you skin looks younger if you already look like a fat neanderthal

    I think you misspelled "fat American".

    --
    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  28. Authoritarian tautologies by Uberbah · · Score: 1, Informative

    Manning is a traitor that irresponsibly leaked.

    So, leaking evidence of war crimes to a responsible organization is treason now? The founders were a bunch of elitists pricks, but one thing they did right was to specifically define treason in the Constitution so it couldn't be abused for purely political purposes.

    Like what you're doing right now.

    There is a right way to do things, sometimes even several right ways.

    Except there isn't. The "proper" channels are based around properly shutting down information getting out about mass government lawbreaking and war crimes. Case in point:

    Manning didnt do any of them.

    Except she raised concerns within the "chain of command" and was blown off, just like Snowden, just like John Kiriakou. This talking point has as much behind it as the "blood on her hands" canard: nothing.

    All these people took an Oath of Office to protect the Constitution, not cover up crimes against humanity. Which means Manning was following her oath, not being a traitor. Which also brings up other questions: why is it that you authoritarians calling Manning a traitor but DGAF about the torture and war crimes revealed by Manning. Why is Dick Cheney (and his staff) never called a traitor for outing a covert CIA agent, who worked to stop loose nukes, for purely political purposes?

    1. Re:Authoritarian tautologies by dbIII · · Score: 1

      So, leaking evidence of war crimes to a responsible organization is treason now?

      If you put King before country - yes. There's been a lot of screams about "treason" on all kinds of things (eg. Hillary using email FFS) by those who stupidly push for a more authoritarian country.

    2. Re: Authoritarian tautologies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You keep sayang manning used the chain of command, but she didn't. She hitched to one contract or. She didn't put a complajntmjnto the chain f command, she didn't file an IG complaint, she didn't Ile a congressional complajnt, a he didn't file a privacy act complajnt. She used 0/6 official channels, and instead used the media o attack the U.S. that's treason, not whistleblowing.

  29. Re:Activist? You misspelled traitor by BlueStrat · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you believe Snowden has been allowed to live (and not die) in Russia all these years without turning over unredacted copies of all the classified information he stole...

    Mr. Snowden gave Glen Greenwald, an editor for 'The Intercept' the data he had in order to have it parsed to eliminate PII etc and release the data, *before* he left for Shanghai and then was suddenly forced by the US State Dept. to remain stranded in a Russian airport terminal without a passport.

    He carried none of the data with him, for obvious reasons.

    This has all been public knowledge for a long time, but people still want to attempt to perpetuate this outright lie & fabrication in an attempt to smear Snowden and cover up blatant and ongoing illegal and unconstitutional activities against the citizens of the US with the full knowledge and consent of US leadership.

    Strat

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    Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
  30. Re:Activist? You misspelled traitor by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Iraq War documents revealed war crimes, re-classifying journalists as "enemy combatants", and the brutality of the new government and security services that were installed. There were details of how over 700 civilians were killed for coming too close to checkpoints, including the mentally ill and pregnant women trying to get to hospital. Much of the Blackwater scandal came from those leaks.

    The Guantanamo Bay files revealed that prisoners were held to try to extract intelligence, rather than because they were thought guilty of any crime. That included British citizens. Attempts to gather intelligence on Al Jazeera were revealed, including the imprisonment of one of their staff for six years on bogus grounds.

    Afghan War documents included evidence of US war crimes. They also included evidence of US contractors hiring child prostitutes.

    The cables she leaked are credited with being the catalyst for the Arab Spring. Kind of hard to deny the significance of that.

    Video of the Granai airstrike could have been extremely valuable if it hadn't been lost too.

    Manning was unwise to trust Wikileaks to handle the documents. She did try to go directly to respected journalists first. Maybe it's hindsight, maybe it's justified, but there was justification for the leaks and when handled properly some good came of them.

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    SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
  31. Re: Activist? You misspelled traitor by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

    I thought he was in Hong Kong along the way. You do know you can just walk over into China from Hong Kong right?

  32. Re:Activist? You misspelled traitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, you just miss the point completely and there is no desire to convince you, or explain how oxygen is part of cell metabolism, growth, etc.

    So the real question is: with such a flawed, blinkered view of biochemistry, how does the estrogen help a prominent manbrow and broad shoulders? Do you compensate by hunching? shadow tricks? Does estrogen provide a free trach shave or do you just clomp around like an ungainly hen with a suspicious wattle

  33. Re:Activist? You misspelled traitor by dbIII · · Score: 1

    No that's David Petraeus if you think this sort of thing is treason. Manning didn't have access to information at the classification that Petraeus leaked, and Manning didn't do it just to get laid.

  34. Re:Activist? You misspelled traitor by dbIII · · Score: 0

    The thing that make it unjust is Petraeus did the same thing, only far worse due to the higher classification of the documents he gave to a journalist and didn't do a day in prison.

  35. Traitor by p51d007 · · Score: 0

    Yeah, and we had to pay for this nuts chop-a-dic-off-of-me operation!

    1. Re:Traitor by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1
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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  36. Re:Activist? You misspelled traitor by dbIII · · Score: 1

    Snowden had value to Putin as a embarrassment alone - perhaps you should consider being less naive about world politics before you start accusing others of being insane.

  37. A wider perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Seems to be a lot of haters in the US on this one. It's probably worth mentioning, for the sake of balance and from a wider view (I'm not a US citizen), that without Manning US human rights violations would not otherwise have been acknowledged, and "A report written by the Department of Defense a year after the breach found that Manning's document leaks had no significant strategic impact on U.S. war efforts.[209, wikipedia]"

    For US folks, you should be aware that US claims to moral superiority as a justification for world leadership, do come across as a little hypocritical at those times when the words don't match the deeds. The answer is to have the deeds match the words - it'd be great if you would do that. Truly.

    [I'd post under my username but password forgotten and webmail service shut down! So AC will have to do]

  38. Re: Activist? You misspelled traitor by fyrewulff · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Pentagon themselves confirmed nobody was harmed by the release of the Manning leaks.

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  39. Re: Activist? You misspelled traitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, no, and no. Petraeus was a shifty cleader, but your assertion about usher classification is blatantly flse, your assertion about "same thjng" is demonstrably false and them intention is of course completely different. manning is a traitor and should be,criminally liable for themdeaths he deliberately caused.

  40. Re:Activist? You misspelled traitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rather than rail against mouthpieces, why not address the actual problem?

    Oh, I'm sorry, actually the problem is that normies are batshit brainwashed into thinking TV shows reality. When it suits the feelings or fear based narratives you ascribe to, you have believed 100% bullshit. The problem lies with everyone who fails to address this.

    Wake up. Don some tinfoil. It's going to be a bumpy ride.

  41. What about Bradley Manning? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody talks about him anymore. He deserves more honor than this person nobody's ever heard of.

    1. Re: What about Bradley Manning? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Asshat

  42. Re: Activist? You misspelled traitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Except for a penis.

  43. Re: Activist? You misspelled traitor by dbIII · · Score: 1

    but your assertion about usher classification is blatantly flse

    No. There was a court case and a lot of press about it. Manning's clearance came nowhere near having access to the material that Petraeus leaked to a reporter.

    s demonstrably false

    Not if you cannot demonstrate it.

    for themdeaths he deliberately caused

    What deaths? Can you name one?

  44. Re:Activist? You misspelled traitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are both traitors. Or did you forget Snowden sought asylum with a foreign adversary?

  45. Stopped donating to EFF by kaizendojo · · Score: 1

    I just don't get how Manning has become the media darling and receives all the support when someone who really performs the EFF's mission statement - Edward Snowden - still languishes in Russia.

  46. Let's get one thing straight here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    There's no way Manning could have had any Sexual Reassignment surgery yet - so she's still in possession of her male sexual organs. This is a fact because no SRS surgeon worth a dime will touch a patient until they've completed at least one full year living as a member of the opposite gender, per WPATH.

    When Obama pardoned her she was dishonorably discharged thus meaning that she'd not receive a penny for her surgery even IF the Military Machine had decided to go down that path. Right now that's been revoked whilst under review; that said she still won't receive a single dime from the Army for any part of her treatment.

    Not that it's going to stop any of the bigoted trans* bashers here who just make up all this shit about how she's already had the surgery AND that it's been paid for by the public purse - because - hey, why bother with FACTS when ignorant lies sound SO much better?

    Wow, there's some folk here who are totally thick as shit and haven't bothered to educate themselves on the subject.

    Note: I've not made ANY mention of her crime or anything else; all I care about is setting the truth straight about her transition. Period.

  47. Re:Activist? You misspelled traitor by ZorroXXX · · Score: 1

    If you believe Snowden has been allowed to live in Russia all these years without turning over unredacted copies ...

    I am a bit confused about what the reasons are for claiming this, despite it being being public knowledge that Snowden gave away all documents before leaving Hong Kong, not bringing any with him. Is it because you see Showden as an evil person whose reputation must be trashed at any cost, disregarding whether arguments are true or not? Is it because you actually believe this (despite that it would be extremely risky and stupid of him so he obviously did not do that)? Something else?

    Could you explain WHY you claim this?

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    When you are sure of something, you probably are wrong (search for "Unskilled and Unaware of It").
  48. Sensitive? You misspelled heartless by ZorroXXX · · Score: 1

    What a disgrace.

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    But bringing down the discussion to such a low level is not very constructive. So please don't.

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    When you are sure of something, you probably are wrong (search for "Unskilled and Unaware of It").
  49. Re: Activist? You misspelled traitor by ZorroXXX · · Score: 1

    Why do you have a problem with that some people change gender? Do you feel threaten in some way? What's the deal?

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  50. Activist? You misspelled hero by ZorroXXX · · Score: 1

    Stockmann, Snowden, Manning. The world needs more enemies of the people.

    I think Chelsea is a great hero for exposing war crimes and other wrongdoings committed by USA, and I am always in favour of exposing such things.

    Any country involved in a war will be responsible for committing terrible things. It is impossible to avoid, the soldiers are just humans and the military is an institution that tend to bring out the worst behaviour. Anyone that tries to deny this is being dishonest.

    And the absolute disgrace with regards to her detention conditions. It is clear that she stuck some nerve and that someone has had an agenda to "take her" for it. Like threatening with indefinite solitary confinement for being in possession of an expired toothpaste.

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  51. Re: Activist? You misspelled traitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Petraeus gave several dozen classified documents to a reporter that had a clearance, but was not cleared for those specific documents. This resulted in a book being written that was then submitted to the DoD for pre-publication review, where it was determined that the book contained no classified information.

    Manning released almost 1,000,000 documents, all of which were classified, and none of which he had read. He exposed not a single crime by the United States, or identified a single war criminal. He did reveal a great deal of detail about US dealings with foreign countries, embarrassing a bunch of US allies in the process. US relations took a noticeable hit and State still hasn't fully recovered.

    Petraeus got off a little lighter than he should have. Manning got off MUCH lighter than he should have. He should still be in jail for decades to come.

  52. Re:Activist? You misspelled traitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nope, sorry. Not a single US war crime was identified in the entire Manning release. Considering that almost all of the nearly ONE MILLION diplomatic cables Manning released were from diplomats that had absolutely ZERO to do with Iraq, it's very hard to believe you when you try to claim that they did. Along with the rest of your spurious exaggerations and outright fabrications.

    For example, Manning had NOTHING to do with the Arab Spring. A Libyan fruit vendor and his friends didn't give a rat's ass about those cables - they just wanted enough money to live on. Only a few of the most idiotic of Manning's defenders actually believe that crap.

  53. Re:Activist? You misspelled traitor by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    Perhaps YOU should read the article. Higher doses and more exercise promotes much more muscle gain. That they studied skeletal muscle doesn't mean that it doesn't affect other muscles. And logically, how could it affect one without the other?

    Then there's personal experience. I'm 51 and I'm as strong as I was decades ago despite having less testosterone than 3/4 or more of all women. HRT works, and if you go for doses that put your estrogen level to that of a woman in her 20s (much higher than just relief from menopause - 3 to 8 times higher) and your job involves lots of heavy labour (like volunteering during flood relief) not only do you feel half your age, but the muscle gain is embarrassing. Visible changes in just 3 days - changes that wouldn't be anywhere near as pronounced with estrogen alone. And it continues increasing until the exercise level drops (like after the flood is over).

    I never said that estrogen use was on the rise to increase muscle mass. Don't even imply it. It's an undesirable side effect if you get too much exercise. The only lie here is yours - that the muscle gain is only skeletal muscle. The article does not say that anywhere. It used to be that 2/3 of all women were on HRT, but they got scared off it because of the bogus Women's Health Initiative studies, which were based exclusively on horse hormones such as Premarin, not human estrogen. The increase in risk of stroke that they found is non-existent when using estrogen (eg. Estrace), so it's bottomed out at 12% of all women, and it's a real battle to get doctors and patients back on track.

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  54. Re:Activist? You misspelled traitor by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    Well, since everyone is slagging on Chelsea Manning, why not take look at September's issue of Vogue and see what she looks like now in a swim suit. You'll be disappointed that she doesn't look like a guy, but one of the effects of estrogen is to redistribute fat in the body, and that includes the face, giving a more rounded, female look..

    And your "point" was bogus. Breathing is something that comes naturally to humans. Using exogenous estrogen is not - it's artificial. If you can't tell the difference between natural and artificial, it's no wonder you post anonymously.

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    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  55. Re:Activist? You misspelled traitor by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    You fucktards still won't admit that Chelsea Manning was never convicted of treason, or more specifically, not convicted of aiding the enemy.

    There definitely is a right way to do things - and the right way includes getting your facts straight.

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    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  56. Re:Activist? You misspelled traitor by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    Try this on for size - everyone in this post should quit pointing fingers at Chelsea Manning for being convicted of treason because she wasn't.

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    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  57. Re:Activist? You misspelled traitor by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    Chelsea Manning was never convicted of treason. So much for being a traitor.

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    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  58. Re: Activist? You misspelled traitor by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    In a swimsuit in September's issue of Vogue. Hardly looks "mutilated". And certainly not like a dude. Get over it - people change sex. It's a legally recognized fact (including by the military tribunal that tried her, as well as the current chiefs of staff running the military).

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    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  59. Re:Activist? You misspelled traitor by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Snowden had value to Putin as a embarrassment alone - perhaps you should consider being less naive about world politics before you start accusing others of being insane.

    Finally, something that Snowden and Trump have in common. Except that Snowden has done less harm to the country's reputation than the president has. :-)

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    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  60. Re: Activist? You misspelled traitor by dbIII · · Score: 0

    reporter ... but was not cleared for those specific documents

    Which were at a much higher classification level than Manning gave to a reporter.
    Same crime but far worse, especially given that the motive was not whistleblowing (as in Manning's case) but impressing the reporter enough that she had sex with him.
    Manning did it for the USA - calling it treason suggests a very perverted idea of King before Country.

  61. Re:Activist? You misspelled traitor by ZorroXXX · · Score: 1

    A man that never admits mistakes is a dishonest man. How willing are you to deny any wrongdoings on USA's behalf regardless of evidence to the contrary? Do you want to be honest? Or are you willing to look away, ignoring anything that contradicts what you have decided to believe?

    War crimes include

    • killing or wounding a combatant who has surrendered or is otherwise hors de combat;

    Watch from 9 minutes into the Collateral Murder video; there is no way the killing of unarmed men picking up a wounded man lying on the street and carrying him into a van to drive him away does not match the above listed war crime. But don't just take my words for it. Listen to one of the soldiers actually being there on the ground:

    Their overall mission that day was to protect us, to provide support for us, so I can see where the initial attack on the group of men was warranted. However, personally I don't feel that the attack on the van was warranted. I think that the people could have been deterred from doing what they were doing in the van by simply firing a few warning shots versus completely obliterating the van and its occupants.

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