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One of the World's Most Influential Math Texts is Getting a Beautiful, Minimalist Edition (theverge.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: A couple of years ago, a small publisher called Kroncker Wallis issued a handsome, minimalist take on Isaac Newton's Principia. Now, the publisher is embarking on its next project: Euclid's Elements. The publisher is using Kickstarter to fund this new edition. Euclid's Elements is a mathematical text written by Greek mathematician Euclid around 300 BCE and has been called one of the most influential textbooks ever produced. The treatise contains 13 separate books, covering everything from plane geometry, the Pythagorean theorem, golden ratio, prime numbers, and quite a bit more. The books helped to influence scientists such as Nicolaus Copernicus, Johannes Kepler, Galileo Galilei, and Sir Isaac Newton. In 1847, an English mathematician named Oliver Byrne re-wrote the first six books of Euclid's Elements, taking its concepts and illustrating them.

81 comments

  1. Minimal math texts, Trump edition : by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    1. Re: Minimal math texts, Trump edition : by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pi=3

    2. Re: Minimal math texts, Trump edition : by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      306 > 232
      deal with it

    3. Re:Minimal math texts, Trump edition : by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YUGE.

      sad.

    4. Re: Minimal math texts, Trump edition : by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  2. Is "The C Programming Language" next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Is a minimalist edition of "The C Programming Language" going to be next?

    1. Re: Is "The C Programming Language" next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

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    2. Re:Is "The C Programming Language" next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you sound bitter, sweet tits

    3. Re:Is "The C Programming Language" next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      checkmate, creimer

    4. Re: Is "The C Programming Language" next? by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      if its an actual useful link (not saying this one is or isnt) who cares?

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    5. Re: Is "The C Programming Language" next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the fat turd literally thinks you're an idiot?"

      You enjoy getting "help" from someone who thinks you're an idiot? You think this makes for a convivial user experience? Would you tolerate that attitude from someone in real life? Would you reward that behavior in real life?

    6. Re:Is "The C Programming Language" next? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      checkmate, creimer

      ???

    7. Re: Is "The C Programming Language" next? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

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    8. Re: Is "The C Programming Language" next? by ganjadude · · Score: 2

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    9. Re:Is "The C Programming Language" next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    10. Re: Is "The C Programming Language" next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    11. Re:Is "The C Programming Language" next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    12. Re:Is "The C Programming Language" next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    13. Re:Is "The C Programming Language" next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    14. Re:Is "The C Programming Language" next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      cock eggs!

    15. Re:Is "The C Programming Language" next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    16. Re: Is "The C Programming Language" next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    18. Re: Is "The C Programming Language" next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if its an actual useful link who cares?

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    19. Re: Is "The C Programming Language" next? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      You enjoy getting "help" from someone who thinks you're an idiot?

      It's true, you'd have to be an idiot to ask for help with improving your reading comprehension on /.. Fortunately most people grasp the notion of context in discourse.

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    20. Re:Is "The C Programming Language" next? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      "sweet tits" is your go-to phrase to defending yourself as an AC.

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    21. Re:Is "The C Programming Language" next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cock eggs!

    22. Re:Is "The C Programming Language" next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Yes, "sweet tits" is a she. ;)"

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    23. Re: Is "The C Programming Language" next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "the associated affiliate gets a cut of *any* product you then subsequently purchase on Amazon"

      And why should I give a shit?

    24. Re: Is "The C Programming Language" next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because capitalism is evil reeeeeeeeeee!

    25. Re: Is "The C Programming Language" next? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 0

      And why should I give a shit?

      I'm apparently the first person on Slashdot who figured out how to monetize his trolls. My trolls find it unbearable that I'm laughing all the way to the coffee shop.

    26. Re:Is "The C Programming Language" next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might be trolling, but I would love to see a highly stylized reprint annotated with language updates. K&R really is a classic.

    27. Re: Is "The C Programming Language" next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only in your mind, Walter Mitty. In reality, we enjoy the back and forth with a mentally ill person. We feel like we're helping you.

    28. Re: Is "The C Programming Language" next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since mods consistently up vote me more often than they down vote me, my excellent karma is unaffected.

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    29. Re: Is "The C Programming Language" next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm apparently the first person on Slashdot who figured out how to monetize his trolls.

      Except that construction suggests that you are making money *from the trolls* -- you are not. What you are making money from is unsuspecting people clicking your links, and you poisoning their amazon sessions with your tracking id for 24 hours, so that anything they happen to buy gets credited to you. Your own data showed that almost none of the things being bought were things you were linking to directly - you link to a handful of books, and end up poisoning browser sessions when people go back to buy other things.

      My trolls find it unbearable that I'm laughing all the way to the coffee shop.

      No, we are actually just annoyed by your constant irrelevant off-topic posts and shitty spam. You contribute nothing to the discussions on Slashdot, and the people trolling you are behaving as Slashdot's immune system, fighting off an obnoxious infection. We don't care that you're gorging yourself on sugar and fat from the coffee shop - that's just putting you closer to the stroke which will end your shitposting here if you don't do so voluntarily before that day.

  3. News for nerds by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    You will be able to buy a new 2300 year old dead tree book.
    Soon.

    1. Re:News for nerds by Potor · · Score: 1

      You consider the papyrus plant to be a tree?

    2. Re:News for nerds by jonnythan · · Score: 1

      Pretty sure they don't print books on papyrus these days. Who knows what these Kickstarter hipsters are doing, though.

    3. Re: News for nerds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Printing it straight on to weed leaves so they can smonk the dank maths.

  4. Should be awesome by Potor · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have an edition of Byrne's first six books - it is beautiful, and given his approach, quite useful.

    Can't wait for somebody to finish his work, esp. the illustrated version of the irrationality of the square root of 2.

  5. Is it time to upgrade ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Taschen did a beautiful edition of Euclid's Elements a couple of years ago based on Byrne's english edition.
    The only downside was that the book included only the first 6 books of the Elements.
    The paper used was very high quality, the illustrations poped out of the page and Taschen didn't skimp on using nice black ink (among other colors). Even the price was correct.

    For 180$ this new edition on kickstarter has to blow the Taschen one out of the water, and I don't think it will be able to do it.

    1. Re:Is it time to upgrade ? by Potor · · Score: 2

      I agree: Taschen did a great job on Byrne's book. But Taschen did so on a book that was already written, and long out of copyright.

      This new book is yet to be written, and, having done a few books myself priced in this range, I know that this price is not exorbitant.

      Finally, as a corollary to the above, this book does not compete with anything Taschen has done, so it need not blow the earlier work out of the water. It simply needs to be good on its own terms.

    2. Re:Is it time to upgrade ? by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      the illustrations poped out of the page

      I don't know vat I can say about that.

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  6. It's not for me... but maybe others like it by admin7087 · · Score: 1

    Sorry, the 'web page layout' and orange text just kill it for me. That's a big No-No in typesetting, at least in the one to which I subscribe.

    1. Re:It's not for me... but maybe others like it by period3 · · Score: 1

      Me too. I like the idea, but hate the aesthetics. This is a very ugly book. Also, I don't want a gigantic textbook. I'm not going to take out a textbook and plop it on my table like a student. I'm done with that.
         

  7. "Minimalist" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How can you call this crap "minimalist"? It looks like one of those websites made for tablets printed on paper. What's with the random italicized and bolded font? What's with the huge font size? Is there any logic here? What makes a book "minimalist" anyway? Isn't a standard volume that's all properly sized serif text without random style, indentation and alignment changes far more "minimalist" than this thing? Nowadays when something is described as "minimalist" it pretty much means it's made for idiots by douchebags who don't actually read books and think the appearance is more important than readability or content. Pathetic.

    1. Re:"Minimalist" by g01d4 · · Score: 1

      What makes a book "minimalist" anyway?

      My guess would be the amount of text on a page. While your critique is somewhat harsh I would agree with the main point that: "it looks like one of those websites made for tablets printed on paper." The concept reminds me of opera productions set in (typically more modern) eras different than when the libretto was written for. If you're going to go trendy then change the text to suit the presentation, somewhat how Hamilton updated the Chernow text.

    2. Re:"Minimalist" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That, and I'm willing to bet it precludes margin notes and modern critiques. Not all of the proofs in Elements are actually mathematically complete.

  8. Okay, I'll bite by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 3, Funny

    Euclid's Elements is a mathematical text written by Greek mathematician Euclid around 300 BCE.

    What does BCE mean? Is it the Canadian version of BC?

    Before Christ, Eh?

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    1. Re:Okay, I'll bite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The BCE above stands for "Before Current Era".

    2. Re:Okay, I'll bite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Political correctness has decreed we not use BC (Before Christ) and AD (Anno Domini) but BCE (Before Common Era) and CE (Common Era) for dates.
      I don't know who we don't have to offend anymore. Maybe the Aliens ?

    3. Re:Okay, I'll bite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BC was anachronistic anyway. Jesus wasn't born year 0 AD.

    4. Re:Okay, I'll bite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Overly exuberant historians have, in the past, shown a proclivity towards imprecision and imagination in their findings and measurements. "CE" is used simply to indicate that you take the scientific process seriously, while "AD" will be used by those who peddle counterfeit Shrouds of Turin. The terminology is not Politically Correct (TM), quite the contrary. It's inflammatory; deliberately offensive, even. It's a line in the sand declaring that Christian hoodoo has no (further) place in scientific journals.

      Also: I'm not sure if you've been paying attention, but anyone calling our modern era "In the Year of Our Lord" deserves little more than derisive laughter. If there ever was a God he gave up on us by 1250 at the latest.

    5. Re:Okay, I'll bite by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      BCE means before common age.
      No idea why _americans_ invented that term when we simply can say 'before christ' and 'after christ' like the rest of the world does,

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    6. Re:Okay, I'll bite by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      era, mot age.

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    7. Re:Okay, I'll bite by CODiNE · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's been the scholarly habit for decades and has nothing to do with Political Correctness, it's simply and incorrect and religiously charged term. It's not even the right year for Jesus' birth.

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    8. Re:Okay, I'll bite by hey! · · Score: 1

      Well, there's political correctness. But there's also uncertainty as to the exact dates for Jesus of Nazareth's life... assuming he existed.

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    9. Re:Okay, I'll bite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "CE" is used simply to indicate that you take the scientific process seriously, while "AD" will be used by those who peddle counterfeit Shrouds of Turin.

      Bull. The users of "CE" are a smug bunch that haven't noticed the rest of us have moved on. "CE" usage is dead. Even the Discovery Channel has given up on using "CE" as a PC term and gone back to simple BC and AD which have been used for the past 2000 years. Using BCE and CE is about as laughable as using the Gregorian calendar and Julian dates. I'm tired of pandering to that group of pedantic "scholars".

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    10. Re:Okay, I'll bite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's been the scholarly habit for decades and has nothing to do with Political Correctness, it's simply and incorrect and religiously charged term. It's not even the right year for Jesus' birth.

      Calling it the "Common Era" and yet still basing it on the original approximation of Jesus' birth makes no more or less sense than calling it "Anno Domini".

      If you are going to drop Christ as the historical event you are counting from, then it is a bit silly to retain the counting system itself and just call it something else. There are plenty of historical events from which we could reset our calendars. The end of the second world war perhaps, the year of the founding on the United Nations, or just use Unix time like civilized people.

    11. Re:Okay, I'll bite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course it makes sense. If it wasn't the year of his birth, then not calling it the year of his birth is a small step towards reality.

      If we make one small step towards reality, we don't need to then take the far more expensive step of renumbering every date to have a different year. That would be effort expended without profit.

    12. Re:Okay, I'll bite by CODiNE · · Score: 1

      Getting a large chunk of humanity under a common calendar was a huge historical event, regardless of the reasoning used in selecting the first date. Prior to that there were literally hundreds of local time dating systems which to this day make accurate dating of events before than time extremely difficult.

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  9. Is this really necessary? - already available by crepe-boy · · Score: 1

    There are already very nice versions of the text. I have the Green Lion Press version (less than $20 new). If you want absolutely everything, the Dover Books 3 volume set is near-definitive and cheap (and available as eBook). The text has been around for centuries so adding colour doesn't help that much. The publisher's efforts could be better spent on other worthwhile tasks.

    1. Re:Is this really necessary? - already available by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      But this one uses Kickstarter, the business equivalent of 3D printing.

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    2. Re:Is this really necessary? - already available by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IMHO, the Green Lion edition is better, for a few reasons. First, it does not contain Heath's commentary. While good, some of it is a bit dated, and its interleaving into the text is annoying if you're trying to concentrate on the text qua the text. So when you say "everything", you're including Heath's stuff and not just the translation. The Green Lion version has all of the Euclid.

      Second, Green Lion's version is very careful to not use modern notation, but rather to present Euclid for himself.

      Third, the Green Lion version reprints diagrams any time a page-flip is necessary, making it much easier to read.

      The translator here is the same (Heath). Heath's commentary (and then some) is available in his History of Greek Mathematics (2 vols., Dover).

    3. Re:Is this really necessary? - already available by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are already published color versions. If my memory serves me correctly, the pages at the beginning has an explanation indicating that the originals were published in color. I found that copy in the "Harvard Classics" book set, published since 1906, of which there's at least 1/2 a million copies in the wild (considering it sold 350,000 sets in the first 20 years of publication, and was still selling in strength in the 1980's among the dying Encyclopedia trade, when my copy was originally purchased)

      This is just a way to leverage kickstarter to publish a book, under the auspices that it is an important book, while hoping that people don't know enough about the book to realize it is available already.

    4. Re:Is this really necessary? - already available by tibit · · Score: 1

      What they're doing is not available. They will use the graphical notation throughout, and that has thus far been done only for the first 6 books, not all 13.

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  10. Too expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I noticed it's 180 dollars for a copy, that's far too expensive. Book printing, even full color and hardback isn't that expensive. The did Newton's principia for 60 dollars. Doesn't sound right.

    1. Re:Too expensive by tibit · · Score: 1

      This is not a reprint, nor even a re-layout. The work involves re-notation of books 7-13, and re-drawing of diagrammatic notation in books 1-6. It's a lot of work, it'll be a completely new, unique edition not merely in its aesthetics.

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  11. thanks for the advertisement, Slashdot by kwoff · · Score: 1

    $subject

  12. Euler's Elements of Algebra by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Elements of Algebra by Leonhard Euler is supposed to be pretty good. I haven't read it myself though.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elements_of_Algebra
    https://books.google.com/books?id=X8yv0sj4_1YC

  13. It's due to religious Jews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some Jews can't stand to write things like "A.D." which means Anno Domini, or, In the Year of Our Lord.

    They hate writing that because they aren't Christian. So, they cover it up by writing "Current Era" instead. You know, like saying Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas. Get the Christ Out.

    1. Re: It's due to religious Jews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To back me up that it's due to Jews:
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Era

    2. Re:It's due to religious Jews by jbengt · · Score: 1

      Can you blame them?

    3. Re: It's due to religious Jews by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't have to believe it to write the abbreviation. It *is* a Christian year count that we all use--why conceal that? I don't get uptight over Thursday (Thor's Day) or Wednesday (Woden's Day). I don't mind July (Julius Caesar's month) or January (month of Roman god Janus).

  14. Make it interactive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some time ago I started creating GeoGebra (geogebra.com) lessons for The Elements. It would be nice to see the entire work translated as such

  15. Why the boot licking? by volodymyrbiryuk · · Score: 1

    "My Principia arrived today. It’s beautiful, thank you so much. I only wish now that I ordered two of them." What for? One for reading while taking a shit and the other one to wipe his ass?

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  16. Influential? Yes. Useful? No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've read parts of Euclid. Some of it isn't so bad. Most of it is awful. And it contains a variety of blunders. Its math is not what current students need; its presentation is poor; language archaic; about the only thing it has going for it is its copyright has expired. This is just another example of "the good old days" thought patterns which a certain segment of any community worship.

  17. This is kind of lame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does "Minimalist" mean cheap print out from Kinkos for double the price?
    Wouldn't it be better to just have a PDF?

  18. scholary habit? by Ignatius · · Score: 1

    Theres a similar issue in German: v.Chr. (vor Christus = BC) and n.Chr. (nach Christus = AD). However, the only "scholars" who used v.u.Z. and n.u.Z. (vor / nach unserer Zeitrechnung) were the communists in the former GDR.