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Chinese Man Jailed For Helping Net Users Evade State Blocks (bbc.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: A Chinese man has been given a nine-month jail sentence for helping people evade government controls on where they can go online. Deng Jiewei, from Guangdong, was charged with illegally selling programs known as virtual private networks (VPNs), according to court papers. VPNs are illegal in China because they let people avoid government monitoring of what they are doing. The sentence is part of a larger crackdown on the use of VPNs in China. Deng started selling VPNs in late 2015 and was arrested in August 2016 for selling software which lets users "visit foreign websites that could not be accessed by a mainland IP address," reported the South China Morning Post. The Chinese government operates a massive monitoring system, known as the "great firewall," that watches what people do and say online. It also blocks access to sites, such as Facebook and YouTube, that are popular outside the country.

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  1. Well by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Chinese government operates a massive monitoring system, known as the "great firewall," that watches what people do and say online. It also blocks access to sites, such as Facebook and YouTube, that are popular outside the country.

    Blocking YouTube is a bit harsh, but I can understand blocking Facebook.

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    1. Re:Well by bogaboga · · Score: 1

      ...but I can understand blocking Facebook.

      May I kindly ask you to advise us what exactly is there to understand by [China] blocking Facebook.

      More than a billion folks use it. Are they all at a disadvantage?

    2. Re:Well by courteaudotbiz · · Score: 2

      Blocking YouTube is a bit harsh, but I can understand blocking Facebook.

      Are you serious? You actually approve blocking websites going against net neutrality and freedom of speech? And some modder modded this "insightful"? Where the fuck am I?

    3. Re:Well by bogaboga · · Score: 1

      You actually approve blocking websites going against net neutrality and freedom of speech?

      We should perhaps be careful, not to expect that nation states will necessarily follow what may be "reasonable" in another nation state. After all, even the so called "Freedom of Speech" isn't absolute everywhere.

    4. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they're lucky, creimer's many websites will be blocked as well!

    5. Re:Well by courteaudotbiz · · Score: 2

      Have you ever read the Universal Declaration of Human Rights?

      China is supposed to have signed it, and yet we accept that they do not respect their engagement. And why? Because it is a major commercial partner. Period.

      Their Great Firewall and overall surveilance programs of all citizens, and resulting imprisonments, is totally against this Declaration. Their behavior is unacceptable, but we accept it anyway because money talks.

    6. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...but I can understand blocking Facebook.

      May I kindly ask you to advise us what exactly is there to understand by [China] blocking Facebook.

      No, you may not.

      More than a billion folks use it. Are they all at a disadvantage?

      Considering the Facebook users I've met...yes.

    7. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And some modder modded this "insightful"? Where the fuck am I?

      China has an online propaganda team. You'd figure they wouldn't care about somewhere low traffic like modern slashdot, but they probably have some sort of alert for "chinese" + "jail". Dude went to +5 before there were 5 comments on the thread.

      My favorite was a year or so ago when that news about their economy being ready to tank came out. They trotted out the chick with ridiculous fake cans to talk about how great the tech scene was there. China 3d model sooooo gooooood, not cost more like western model. Western bitches stuck up, here China free. China so good, 3d model sooooooo goooood.

    8. Re:Well by courteaudotbiz · · Score: 1

      This seems to be the logical conclusion. I hope some reasonable modders will mod it "overrated".

    9. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So YouTube is where you draw the line?

    10. Re: Well by easyTree · · Score: 1

      The US has no need to fear freedom of speech - there's so much FUD out there is neutralises all motivation to act againstand the overbearing state - unless it threatens their viewing of American Idle or right to shoot each other.

      If not, there'd be censorship.

      Seriously, which other things which hinder the 1337 are legal?

    11. Re:Well by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 2

      Blocking YouTube is a bit harsh, but I can understand blocking Facebook.

      Don't worry. Zuckerberg is trying everything he can think of to change this. That's part of the reason he's learning Mandarin - so he can personally beg the CCP to let Facebook in. If he ever succeeds, I can promise you that what he's going to have to agree to in order to make it happen is going to make freedom advocates very unhappy.

    12. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take a deep breath and realize that the parent was being facetious. I imagine the "insightful" mod is just the time honored tradition of abusing "insightful" as a joke to mean "funny".

      Or we can assume that said parent glibly advocates blocking access to content on the internet. I'm sure that's it, and that it wasn't a joke.

      On the serious response to your question, facebook is a huge collector of private data and metadata. They actively work to collect data on users, and, to my knowledge, they are in full cooperation with the US government. If I were a country looking to protect the privacy of my citizens and/or politicians, removing one of the largest infringers on earth might be something I'd consider. I don't agree with this "fatherland knows best" attitude, but it's a legitimate concern. Even innocuous use is proven to leave metadata that can be used to determine all sorts of interesting connections.

      Article on such use: kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2013/06/09/using-metadata-to-find-paul-revere/

      site appears to be down though, summary here: http://blog.sfgate.com/techchron/2013/06/10/how-analyzing-nsa-metadata-would-have-stopped-paul-revere/

      TL;DR: Get a sense of humor. On a serious note, china doesn't want it's citizens giving free data to the US which could be used against them later.

    13. Re:Well by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      This is Facebook we're talking about. On Slashdot. You're suppose to hate Facebook.

      My post was half-comment, half-joke.

      Facebook, Twitter and other similar crap just plain suck the life out of the internet.

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    14. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was going to post something about Naomi 'SexyCyborg' Wu, tried to find a perfect "underboob" photo of her but Google showed me more images of various underboob from a lot of women, a lot more than I could handle and... eh... let's just say I kind of lost track of time.

    15. Re:Well by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard
      Zuck: Just ask.
      Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS
      [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?
      Zuck: People just submitted it.
      Zuck: I don't know why.
      Zuck: They "trust me"
      Zuck: Dumb fucks.

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      #DeleteFacebook
    16. Re:Well by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Plenty of useful and entertaining videos on YouTube, plus music videos as well.

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      #DeleteFacebook
    17. Re: Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That makes two of us. Fuck you google.

    18. Re:Well by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      May I kindly ask you to advise us what exactly is there to understand by [China] blocking Facebook.

      For obvious reasons, the CCP does not allow direct one-to-many communication in forums they do not control. Banning Facebook is a no-brainer.

      Chinese users have WeChat instead, which is superior to Facebook in many ways, including the benevolent protection of social harmony.

    19. Re:Well by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Their Great Firewall and overall surveilance programs of all citizens, and resulting imprisonments, is totally against this Declaration.

      So are European bans on "Holocaust denial". Nearly all countries restrict speech that could cause offense or social disorder. Americans are often surprised to learn that our robust protections for free speech mostly don't exist outside our borders. Even in America, we are increasingly seeing silly restrictions on "hate speech".

    20. Re: Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if you don't agree with it, I thought it would be obvious why they ban Facebook and YouTube. They don't want people to know what's going on outside of China and only want them to know the official story re inside China

  2. Pssht, hey kid! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wanna buy some VPNs?

  3. You can't do that shit from inside China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It is imperative to keep a safe distance. Besides, VPN use is too easy to detect. We need to devote our efforts to a better alternative. And let's shitcan all the masturbatory arguments about whether we should. It's not a matter of "should". We must!

    1. Re:You can't do that shit from inside China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any form of redirection or anonymization is trivially detected and dealt with appropriately, either by blocking it or sending in the stormtroopers.

    2. Re:You can't do that shit from inside China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any form of detection or blocking is fallible, either by circumventing it or using masking/deception.

      The only question is how far up the skill curve you get pushed. If a minimum security Q is required, you naturally lose P convenience. Plug and play goes out, phone apps go out, streamfags are either SOL or pay out - either placates the mafiaa, who only want "enough" success.

      China probably wants a higher purification rate than that and will invest enough effort/money to ensure it. But 100% is impossible, and squeezing out each order of (negative) magnitude requires an OoM of more desperate measures, like fucking with the whole pipe at the border. Proper fucking, not "X Y Z are whitelisted, or you can use N-or-higher credentials" because you're inviting vulnerability.

      So, back to the point, it's gonna be fallible, but if it's sufficiently tedious, complicated, expensive, or crippled, you can say that "citizens" are effectively blocked, yes.

  4. Time for a World Government! by bigpat · · Score: 1

    Oh wait... would it end up being as effed up as China?

    1. Re:Time for a World Government! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Of course it would. The tendency of every government is to expand indefinitely in terms of both revenue and power over the people. Like any business, their primary goal is to expand.

  5. US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not much worst than the US jailing a person for not decrypting a harddrive. Innocent until proven guilty,

  6. It's China by pdfsmail · · Score: 1

    It's China
    not the US
    not Europe
    not anywhere else but China
    China is a nation-state that prefers to control what its citizens do - for whatever reasons.
    China follows China laws, even if I don't agree with them.. which I don't.

    What is the big surprise here?

    1. Re:It's China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So like USA, then.

  7. Re: "money talks" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From TFA:

    "Multinational firms operating inside China were still allowed to keep using VPNs for staff accessing corporate resources."

  8. How... "progressive" of the Chinese by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After all, the sites visited could have been supportive of Trump.

    Hell, maybe they even refrained from calling Trump a RAAAAACIST NAZI!!!!.

    Can't have that, now can we? I mean, such unhinged right-wing speech is in fact violence, isn't it?

    (You really believe "progressives" aren't that bad? Well, guess what? You're WRONG. "Progressives" are actually targeting Taylor Swift for not using her popularity to tell everyone how to "think" - better stated as "drink the progressive kool-aid" )

  9. China by easyTree · · Score: 1

    Why not find a robust technological method of ensuring that it's impossible to go against your wishes?

    1. Re: China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Turning away from the world has gotten China dynasty rule from its inception until 1913(when the last dynasty ruler (age 13) stepped down.

      During that time they've had endless wars with themselves and the mongolians. But not from outside influences unless you count the mongloians. They conquered china and became the dynasty rulers for a small span.

  10. User experience low by easyTree · · Score: 1

    FTLOG, put an expand/collapse link in your post. Usability 101 yo.

  11. economic advantage by spongman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    while many see this as a freedom of speech issue (which it is), the larger issue here is the economic advantage that China is forcing by potentially cutting off large swaths of the US economy from the Chinese market to the advantage of locally-grown copycat companies. youtube & facebook, for example are $20+ billion/year businesses that see zero income from China. as more and more of the US (& western) economy moves online, China, with its firewall, gets to pick and choose which of those businesses it wants to allow access to its people, effectively circumventing WTO restrictions on tariffs and rendering trans-pacific trade agreements impotent.

    1. Re:economic advantage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't that exactlly what the US is doing against kaspersky. Throw up barriers and scream national security. How many other ways do you think the US does this?

    2. Re:economic advantage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the US is simply saying that it will not buy from Kapersky. The government should have control over what it allows on its own network.

      It is not preventing citizens from doing so.

      https://www.engadget.com/2017/07/12/us-government-removes-kaspersky-approved-vendors-cybersecurity/

  12. Re:Happy post-labour day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only if you spell it correctly first.

  13. Re: "money talks" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's good for the goose....

    Do as I say not as I do.

  14. China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Turning away from the world is what caused you to be dominated by the Americans and British 150 years ago. Do you really want to go back to that world?

    Apparently, the answer is Yes. Just remember, you did this.

  15. Tit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All internet connections from China should be filtered so no one from the government or military can access any web site the people cannot access.

  16. Chong Chong Chong by WCMI92 · · Score: 1

    The Chicomm government is easily angered.

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  17. Freedom of speech by DrYak · · Score: 1

    I can understand blocking Facebook.

    going against {...} freedom of speech?

    The thing is, "freedom of speech" implies that there exist some actual speech to be protected.
    I think to understand that the parent poster doesn't consider any of the garbage that usually happens on some social site to be any form of speech.
    He probably thinks that nothing actually conveys information, most of it is click-baiting scams and ads anyway, and thus not worthy of "speech" status.
    Therefore for once his views align with those of an authoritarian regime who does also inhibit "freedom of actual speech".

    He would probably consider that facebook falls more into the "freedom to defecate in public" rather than "freedom of speech".

    (But somehow this content problem is magically not affecting youtube).

    Though I might understand why the "...and nothing of value was lost" stance regarding facebook, my personal opinion is that we should never block anything (because that could be supporting censorship), only educate the user to better understand the usefulness of various media.

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  18. Not really VPN, obfuscated proxy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Guy was seller obfuscated proxy called shadowsocks R (a fork of shadowsocks, both wrote by Chinese programmers and popular amongst Chinese netizens to get around great firewall of China)

    Im using it now.