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Google Is Apparently Ready To Buy Smartphone Maker HTC (cnbc.com)

According to a Taiwanese news outlet called Commercial Times, Google is in the final stages of acquiring all or part of smartphone maker HTC. CNBC reports: The report seems fishy, since Google has already been down this road, but there's a reason why Google might be interested in HTC. The Taiwanese company builds the Google Pixel, which means it could be a good fit for Google as it continues to cater to consumers with its "Pixel" smartphone brand. Here's where it sounds off base: Google acquired Motorola Mobility and then sold it off just a couple of years later. Why repeat that move? Commercial Times said HTC's poor financial position and Google's desire to "perfect [the] integration of software, content, hardware, network, cloud, [and] AI," is the driving force behind Google's interest. The news outlet said Google may make a "strategic investment" or "buy HTC's smartphone R&D team" which suggests that the VR team would exist as its own.

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  1. As an added bonus by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 0

    If they buy HTC to make the Pixel, the acronym would be HTCP which sounds a bit like HTTP.

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    1. Re:As an added bonus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      my child, doing where your mom pee-pees

    2. Re:As an added bonus by Desler · · Score: 1

      Was that supposed to be funny?

    3. Re: As an added bonus by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      Toriel, is that you?

    4. Re:As an added bonus by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Not funny, just... well, Google is into marketing. Maybe they could do something that, "HTCP vs HTTP".

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  2. Ready for a true Hardware/Software commitment by Gr8Apes · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Google acquired Motorola Mobility and then sold it off just a couple of years later. Why repeat that move?

    First, Motorola was a patent play. Google gained much protection by buying the patent portfolio.

    Second, Google's tried the 3rd party vendor route and gotten shit products out of it and continues watching Apple reap 95% of the mobile profit. Pixel was an attempt by Google to create a realistic competitor that would actually help them. Now that the Pixel appears realistic, Google needs more control to keep up with Apple who is ahead in many areas. (Hint, there's a reason besides fanboism that Apple has 95% of the profits)

    Google buying HTC outright will have another immediate effect - Samsung's profits. Unless Samsung takes a page out of the same book and creates their own OS dev team and branches Android into their own offering.

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    1. Re:Ready for a true Hardware/Software commitment by nasch · · Score: 1

      Second, Google's tried the 3rd party vendor route and gotten %%%% products out of it

      Hey, you be nice to my phone!

      Unless Samsung takes a page out of the same book and creates their own OS dev team and branches Android into their own offering.

      Not Android, but Linux: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    2. Re:Ready for a true Hardware/Software commitment by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Second, Google's tried the 3rd party vendor route and gotten shit products out of it and continues watching Apple reap 95% of the mobile profit

      Are you sure about that? Apple makes some profit on the hardware and a big chunk on iAds and on their 30% cut from the App Store. Google takes a similar cut from the Play store, and a lot more from their mobile advertising platform, without having to be in the low-margin hardware business.

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    3. Re:Ready for a true Hardware/Software commitment by Junta · · Score: 2

      (Hint, there's a reason besides fanboism that Apple has 95% of the profits)

      Well, the exaggeration aside, not *really*. As a hardware platform, the iPhone is not particularly far ahead (or far behind) than the solid Android handsets. One *could* make the argument that people like iOS software, but that's more subjective than objective featureset. And contrary to Apple touting benefits of owning the whole stack in terms of what's possible, it's generally hollow talk without substance. It can be argued that in key areas it's a simpler ecosystem and therefore they don't have to present as many choices, which may lead to less intimidating settings dialogs and such, but owning a hardware designer isn't going to help on that front unless they simultaneously ditched support for Samsung, LG, Motorola, Huawei, et al.

      Google buying HTC outright will have another immediate effect - Samsung's profits. Unless Samsung takes a page out of the same book and creates their own OS dev team and branches Android into their own offering.

      I don't understand this. Google owning Motorola didn't change the landscape significantly, and here I also don't see this changing, unless Google went insane and decided to shut out all the partners, extremely risking their majority market share for the sake of *maybe* somewhat better margins??

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    4. Re:Ready for a true Hardware/Software commitment by Daetrin · · Score: 1

      "Second, Google's tried the 3rd party vendor route and gotten shit products out of it and continues watching Apple reap 95% of the mobile profit. Pixel was an attempt by Google to create a realistic competitor that would actually help them. Now that the Pixel appears realistic, Google needs more control to keep up with Apple who is ahead in many areas."

      The Moto X they made in "collaboration" with Motorola after buying them was great. Its only problem was that it didn't have the full force of the Google marketing engine behind it the way the Pixel has. And there's no reason to believe that Motorola couldn't have made the Pixel as well if that's what Google told them to do.

      Buying one manufacturer, turning around and selling it, and then turning around and buying a different manufacturer is just a colossal waste of time, money, and other resources. It's possible that selling Motorola was the mistake and Google has no choice but to pay to correct that mistake now, but one way or the other a mistake was made somewhere in the chain.

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    5. Re:Ready for a true Hardware/Software commitment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope that Google sues James Damore for everything and that the man ends up homeless.

    6. Re:Ready for a true Hardware/Software commitment by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Android is basically Java on Linux.

    7. Re:Ready for a true Hardware/Software commitment by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Google acquired Motorola Mobility and then sold it off just a couple of years later. Why repeat that move?

      First, Motorola was a patent play. Google gained much protection by buying the patent portfolio.

      Second, Google's tried the 3rd party vendor route and gotten shit products out of it and continues watching Apple reap 95% of the mobile profit. Pixel was an attempt by Google to create a realistic competitor that would actually help them. Now that the Pixel appears realistic, Google needs more control to keep up with Apple who is ahead in many areas. (Hint, there's a reason besides fanboism that Apple has 95% of the profits)

      Google buying HTC outright will have another immediate effect - Samsung's profits. Unless Samsung takes a page out of the same book and creates their own OS dev team and branches Android into their own offering.

      The reason Apple makes significant profits (nowhere near 95%) is that they overcharge for everything. The Iphone hardware is 1/5 of the phones cost here in the UK. You can get the same spec from Samsung for less, go for a lesser known brand like Huawei, WileyFox or OnePlus and it's even cheaper. These companies are still making a profit, just not obscene amounts.

      Also Samsung has little to worry about from HTC or Google's acquisition of HTC.

      Now the real reason Google are buying HTC is because HTC are in dire straights financially and that makes it the perfect time to acquire them.

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    8. Re: Ready for a true Hardware/Software commitment by nasch · · Score: 1

      That's correct. Tizen however is not based on Android.

    9. Re:Ready for a true Hardware/Software commitment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google buying HTC outright will have another immediate effect - Samsung's profits. Unless Samsung takes a page out of the same book and creates their own OS dev team and branches Android into their own offering.

      Samsung does have an OS dev team of their own. Tizen. Phones based on it are only sold in India and other third-world countries though.

    10. Re:Ready for a true Hardware/Software commitment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless Samsung takes a page out of the same book and creates their own OS dev team and branches Android into their own offering.

      See 'Tizen'...

    11. Re:Ready for a true Hardware/Software commitment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is also the little detail of Apple actually supporting their hardware with OS upgrades, something Google is yet again trying to solve with Android.

      And yes, it does matter - developers can create better and more innovative apps for iOS because they are safe in the knowledge that 90% of the market will have upgraded to the latest version, with the new APIs and features, within 3 months of release. This in turn drives app sales, and hence revenue both for the 3rd party developers and Apple itself.

    12. Re:Ready for a true Hardware/Software commitment by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Are you sure about that? Apple makes some profit on the hardware and a big chunk on iAds and on their 30% cut from the App Store. Google takes a similar cut from the Play store, and a lot more from their mobile advertising platform, without having to be in the low-margin hardware business.

      No, they don't. They do not reap much from the 30% cut - i think the last thing Apple reported last year was they handed out $6B or so to developers. That means Apple earned about $3B since the App Store opened. I realize $3B may be a large amount of money for you, but remember, Apple has $250B in the bank.

      You can see how much money Apple makes from the 30% cut. It's listed as online revenue, which includes other sources of 30% cut including music, movies and books, as well as Apple Radio and iCloud. Most of the money goes back into paying the payment processor (30% was carefully chosen to pay for 99 cent stuff, pay the payment processor and pay for the equipment).

      iAds is dead. Apple killed it when Google told them they didn't need the competition anymore. It never made any significant amount of money. (Department of Justice deemed Google could buy AdMob (mobile advertising company) because iAds provided competition).

      30% cut may seem excessive to you, but if you consider how much it costs to host content, handle payment providers, handle user PII data (payment information, user information and passwords) as well as ongoing maintenance, it isn't that much. Especially trying to keep systems up to date from the latest hacks, trying to keep up with sales tax changes worldwide and all that. You, the developer get all that for free, and if you don't charge for stuff, the hosting's free too. And you don't need to bother with "redownloads" and other stuff - because Apple handles that too.

      Apple's primary business is hardware. It's why they're emphasizing privacy over all else now. They make money on hardware, not selling your data. iOS is extremely hard to exfiltrate information from these days - access to contacts and other sensitive information pops up a system dialog allowing a user to deny access to the information, so unlike an Android app, users are alerted when apps need to steal their information.

    13. Re:Ready for a true Hardware/Software commitment by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      It's about the available profit in the mobile market. And yes, you're both correct that it's not 95%, it's 93% in Feb 2015, 92% in July 2015, 91% in Feb 2016, 94% in Nov 2016.

      I apologize for the rounding error.

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    14. Re:Ready for a true Hardware/Software commitment by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      (Hint, there's a reason besides fanboism that Apple has 95% of the profits)

      Well, the exaggeration aside, not *really*. As a hardware platform, the iPhone is not particularly far ahead (or far behind) than the solid Android handsets.

      It's not an exaggeration unless you consider 1% off being an error.

      As for Google, they've been watching Apple clobber their vendors in performance, battery life, maintenance and upgrades over the years. The truth is, Apple makes a better overall product, by far, even if technically on paper they're using lower spec'd parts. It's not each individual part's capabilities that matter, but how it is put together as a whole and how it performs with the software. That they can get similar performance out of fewer cores and get more life out of a given battery size is a testament to their engineering the entire device, not just parts. My guess is Google may try the same path.

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    15. Re:Ready for a true Hardware/Software commitment by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      The reason Apple makes significant profits (nowhere near 95%)

      It's 94% of the market profits and this is not a historical anomaly.

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    16. Re:Ready for a true Hardware/Software commitment by Junta · · Score: 1

      But they haven't been...

      On *average* they have better performance, but that's because Apple doesn't even offer low end handsets. If you compare 'flagship' devices, they are pretty even on at least performance and battery life. Sure, people have less sleek image of Android because they used a sub-200 dollar new handset, but there doesn't exist such an Apple device.

      Similarly for maintenance and updates, there are devices that keep up, but the water is murkier to know which are which.

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    17. Re:Ready for a true Hardware/Software commitment by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      But they haven't been...

      On *average* they have better performance, but that's because Apple doesn't even offer low end handsets. If you compare 'flagship' devices, they are pretty even on at least performance and battery life. Sure, people have less sleek image of Android because they used a sub-200 dollar new handset, but there doesn't exist such an Apple device.

      Similarly for maintenance and updates, there are devices that keep up, but the water is murkier to know which are which.

      The number of labeled devices which are updated with Android even semi-reliably are countable on the thumb of 1 hand (Google).

      As for the cheapest Apple device - it's $400 from Apple. You can go cheaper, with refurbs, etc. But, you only need 1 in 3-5 years, vs 3-5 with Android if you're wanting to stay current.

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  3. Buy and spit it out. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    They will take the best engineers, patents and then leave it for dead. Just like most of Googles acquisitions. Google should buy Slashdot, since it is Google shill central anyway.

    1. Re: Buy and spit it out. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good tine ro buy stock in Asus?

    2. Re: Buy and spit it out. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good tine ro buy a mew keyboard?

  4. Interesting if actually true... by Ritz_Just_Ritz · · Score: 1

    It would be interesting to see how Google would take HTC forward if this turns out to be true. The problem these days is that "journalists" do very little actual fact checking. A rumor winds up as a story on some sleepy site where it's then picked up by more mainstream media outlets who also don't bother fact checking it.

    1. Re:Interesting if actually true... by Junta · · Score: 2

      Probably not that interesting, Google took motorola, made them take out microsd cards, then sold them and they started putting sd card slots back in. Other than that google seemed to do jack to help or hurt motorola.

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    2. Re:Interesting if actually true... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Other than that google seemed to do jack to help or hurt motorola.

      Google bought Motorola to arm up on mobile patents. Phones were just along for the ride.

      The Moto X Pure was the best 4G phone for Android for a while, though, for people who care about things like SD Cards and unlocked bootloaders.

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  5. We all know how this turns out. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >A software maker purchasing another phone maker.

    *looks at camera* "Here we go again!"

    *laugh track* *credit roll*

    1. Re:We all know how this turns out. by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      *Record scratch*

      *High budget CGI dazzle sauce*

      *dumfounded consumer opens wallet*

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  6. YUO FALE IT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


       

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  7. So Google would own the HTC Vive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Very interesting.

  8. Bend over! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm gonna stick in your butthoal.

  9. Can we just get an affordable, usable phone?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Nexus 4 was very good. The Nexus 5 was okay, too. But the subsequent Nexus and Pixel phones have been less than ideal. The later Nexus phones were physically too large to be convenient and comfortable to use. The Pixel phones are slightly too large, and also way the fuck too expensive.

    I think it's interesting how the Nexus 4 and Nexus 5 phones received a lot of attention, and were highly praised by their users. But the Pixel phones haven't gotten anywhere near as much attention, probably because they're too inconvenient or out of reach, price wise, for most users.

    Google, this is what we want in a smart phone:

    1. A reasonable size. About the size of the Nexus 4, or at most the Nexus 5.

    2. A reasonable price. The $300-$400 range is good. Trade off some CPU and GPU performance, if necessary, to achieve that price point. Aim for the 90% of normal people who don't want to spend $800 or more on a phone. Really, Google, you make your money off of our data and information, right? So don't make a profit on the phone, or perhaps even take a small loss. You'll likely make up for it in the additional data you collect about us as we use Android phones instead of iPhones.

    3. Keep offering updates after more than 2 or 3 years, especially when phones can last 5 years or more and are still perfectly usable. It's unpleasant to stop getting updates so soon. Support these phones for at least 6 years. Make it easy for Android users to run the latest version of the OS on older phones, even if some functionality may be limited, so app developers don't have to support 5 or more different Android versions just to get decent coverage of the market!

    4. Don't try to be Apple. Keep prices reasonable. Keep the UI usable. Make the phones much less locked down.

    5. Don't assume that everybody is going to use their phones to watch YouTube videos. Some of us just use it for making calls, receiving text messages, checking the time, checking our email and browsing the web. We don't need extreme GPU capabilities or excessively detailed screens, especially if it compromises the price and battery life of the device.

    Google, please just give us a well-balanced Android phone that's convenient to hold and use, that's reasonably affordable, and that will continue to get updates beyond a couple of years!

    1. Re:Can we just get an affordable, usable phone?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " I like small screens so only make small screens kthxbye "

    2. Re:Can we just get an affordable, usable phone?! by oic0 · · Score: 1

      Meanwhile, I won't buy a phone with a screen smaller than 5.7 I use mine as a portable PC moreso than phone. Everyone else has been going the same direction. Hence the popularity of big phones. The pixel was too small and too expensive for me to look at it.

    3. Re:Can we just get an affordable, usable phone?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What you seem to be missing is that the whole reason they changed from the Nexus branding to the Pixel branding was that they were making a break from the goals of the Nexus line. The goal of the Nexus line was to improve what could be expected from a mid-range phone, by producing a mid-price phone with fairly high end spec. The Nexus line achieved its goals, and there are now excellently specified mid-price phones from a whole bunch of manufacturers. There was never the intention from Google to just be a "me too" mid-range phone brand, so that was the end of the line for Nexus.

      So if you want a $300-400 phone, sorry, Google doesn't do that any more. Pixel is a high end phone. Google are looking at producing a device that showcases the Android platform at its best, not providing you with a cheap device to make a few calls and texts. Buy a Moto G5. Or whatever. There are loads of great mid-range phone options.

      BTW I own both a Nexus 5 and a Pixel, and they're about the same size, so I'm not sure what you're on about there. You don't have to buy a Pixel XL, but if you want a larger screen, you can.

    4. Re:Can we just get an affordable, usable phone?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Android usage stats prove you're in the tiny minority.

      Over 89% of Android phones are classified as having a "normal" screen size, meaning they have a resolution below 640dp x 480dp (which would be classified as "large").

      Despite Android 7 and later being out for more than a year, we still see over 32% of Android users running Android 6.x, over 29% running Android 5.x, and 16% running Android 4.4.

      So 77% of Android users are running older versions of Android that run on the smaller phones that were common in the past.

      People aren't using the newer versions of Android that only run on larger phones because people don't want larger phones.

      People want smaller Android phones.

    5. Re:Can we just get an affordable, usable phone?! by EndlessNameless · · Score: 1

      3. Keep offering updates after more than 2 or 3 years, especially when phones can last 5 years or more and are still perfectly usable. It's unpleasant to stop getting updates so soon. Support these phones for at least 6 years. Make it easy for Android users to run the latest version of the OS on older phones, even if some functionality may be limited, so app developers don't have to support 5 or more different Android versions just to get decent coverage of the market!

      This item has very little to do with their HTC acquisition, and it isn't going to happen because of it.

      First of all, Google does not release Android builds for OEM handsets. Realistically, they can't. Project Treble includes a HAL for Android which should make upgrades easier in the future. This is a new feature in Oreo, however, so it doesn't apply to anything currently on the market.

      Second, developers can target multiple versions of Android fairly easily. The Android SDK allows you to specify both a minimum version and a target version of Android. When doing this, you are limited to the feature set of the oldest version, but the application will automatically benefit from the target-level APIs on devices that support them. Obviously this doesn't apply to code built outside of the SDK, but if you're doing that then you already accepted the headaches associated with that decision.

      And finally, it is the OEM's responsibility to support the phone for a reasonable lifespan, not Google's. Any OS update runs the risk of breaking proprietary features and other customizations. The manufacturer of the device is the only one who can fix those problems, so ultimately they must be involved in order for normal users to have a realistic upgrade path---and the OEMs have a financial incentive to keep users on the upgrade treadmill.

      If you really want a better Android ecosystem, support vendors who deliver vanilla Android devices and promise/deliver long-term support. I'm leaning heavily toward Nokia for my next phone because they are doing the former and have a reputation for the latter. The new Nokia appears to be a relatively intact version of the pre-Microsoft Nokia.

      Google, please just give us a well-balanced Android phone that's convenient to hold and use, that's reasonably affordable, and that will continue to get updates beyond a couple of years!

      This I can agree with.

      Your other comments can be applied on a device-by-device basis, and I largely agree with those too. Hopefully Google will manage future Nexus/Pixel products in a more tech-friendly way.

      I would like to see longer support for their devices. If Project Treble works as expected, then maybe the 5X, 6P, and Pixel will be the first smartphones to have that 5-year lifespan.

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    6. Re:Can we just get an affordable, usable phone?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Logic fallacy. The fact that poor people can't afford new phones with decent size screens doesn't mean that they don't want them.

    7. Re:Can we just get an affordable, usable phone?! by rickb928 · · Score: 2

      If you do not, already, know that your perfect phone exists, and where to buy it, then having Google make one will not fix your inability to scan the market and find it now.

      But, to pick a few nits:

      - Reasonable size; 5 inches, or 5.5? That's a fairly big stretch. Be specific, or bigger will be better.

      - Six years of OS updates is not merely pointless (the OS will grow beyond your phone's capacity in 3 years) but specious. Your battery will not last six years.

      - Oh, and a replaceable battery, making the sis year OS update promise feasible.

      - Oh, and 3GB RAM MINIMUM, to make your six year OS updates feasible. 4GB really.

      - After four years there will only be, at best, three-year-old batteries on the shelf to be purchased. You want one of these?

      - If you are serious about GUI and video capabilities, those phones exist right now. Be prepared to buy one from the same site that sells incontinence supplies, but you don't care, you just want the phone.

      A Vivo 5 or 5R seems close to what you wanted, sans replaceable battery. Or a Blade V8 Pro. I can do this all morning, your phone exists, just not with the Google logo on it. Or suck it up and go for an iPhone SE, reasonable screen size and a screwdriver almost changes the battery by itself, and the iOS universe isn't quite as bleak as it used to be, since rooting your V8 Pro isn't nearly as much fun as it could be, but then you probably don;t need Android Pay or any enterprise apps, so feh, root on bro.

      Full disclosure, I've owned An Oki 123 bag phone, NEC 820, Nokia 5165 (fabulous), Siemens S46 (Satan's personal phone, Sony T637 (way ahead of its time), BlackBerry 7105t, HTC G1, Sensation 4G, M7, M8, Blu R1HD (underrated stopgap phone), and now a U11.

      I'm waiting for the foldup phone, not a flip but an actual folding screen. And GB LTE, proximity charging, and wireless cast capability. Walk into the house and my fantasy phone would ask if I want to cast to the nearest screen, charge within a few feet of a proximity charger, and pair up the keyboard/mouse on the countertop, shared with other phones just by me entering my PIN and it's mine for now. Wireless LTE being faster than my ISP, I don't have one. Netflix, etc is my entertainment provider, OTA HD is cast back to my phone and is *the only reason* I have a home ISP, this TV has Tivo/Sling functionality built in, along with PVR and casts to my phone. Apps for work live within this. Voice integration is completed. I can dream.

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    8. Re:Can we just get an affordable, usable phone?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And finally, it is the OEM's responsibility to support the phone for a reasonable lifespan, not Google's.

      From a user's PoV, the best case scenario is to have an OEM that explicitly shuns this responsibility, and instead decares that it's the user's responsibility to install software updates. The OEM's job would be to stay the fuck out of the way, make sure there isn't any retarded stuff (e.g. locks) that prevents maintenance, etc.

      I don't have Rosewill/Newegg or Intel or Kingston or Supermicro type "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" for me, despite them making the hardware. And yet, that's the most maintainable, longest-lasting, best-value computer that you can get. No Dell or Apple customer will ever have it so good, so easy, so dependable, so long-lasting, or so reliable.

      If phones were like that, everyone would be happy instead of sad. And face it: everyone is fucking sad about their phone, even on the high-end. The hardware is all so close to being good, but ruined by software shackles.

    9. Re:Can we just get an affordable, usable phone?! by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but Samsung proved people want big phones with the original Galaxy Note.
      The success caused every other major manufacturer to offer jumbo versions in the coming years. Even Apple followed suit.
      Even the non-jumbo phones have been growing in size. The Galaxy S has grown in size and also has a + variant now.

      Your stats come from 3rd world / ghetto budget phones and old devices. Which ties in precisely to your stat about old versions of Android.

      Small phones suck.

    10. Re:Can we just get an affordable, usable phone?! by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Nope. "Normal" screen size refers to the physical size - around 4 inches.

      Look at your chart again: Most of those screens have "hdpi" or "xhdpi" pixel density, ie' they're more than 640x480.

      But yeah, I'd love a 4" screen with full HD resolution. Nobody sells them though, because .... oooh, squirrel.

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    11. Re:Can we just get an affordable, usable phone?! by sexconker · · Score: 1

      The goal of the Nexus line was to offer a moderately priced and fairly capable phone running a clean/standard version of Android for development use.

      See the Nexus One. Of course, ever since then they've been creeping on features, price, and Googleifying the clean/standard version of Android. The Pixel was the final "FUCK YOU". They're making Google iPhones now, not Android phones (let alone AOSP phones).

    12. Re:Can we just get an affordable, usable phone?! by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      Not exactly. Parse the data - 23% own Android 7 and later, only 11% have large screens. So less than half of Android 7+ users have large screens. simplistic, yes, but supported by the numbers, and that's an optimistic view that only Android 7+ users have large screens.

      That's not to disprove your statement that Samsung did prove there was a reasonable profitable market for larger phones.

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    13. Re:Can we just get an affordable, usable phone?! by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Uh, according to that link, 7 and 7.1 make up 13.5%, not 23%.

      Additionally, screen size category is reported by the device, and is arbitrary, and the labels are relative.
      Thus as screens grow larger on average, the reporting of the size diminishes. That is, 2012's "large" phone is today's "normal" phone.

      "Each generalized size and density spans a range of actual screen sizes and densities. For example, two devices that both report a screen size of normal might have actual screen sizes and aspect ratios that are slightly different when measured by hand. Similarly, two devices that report a screen density of hdpi might have real pixel densities that are slightly different. Android makes these differences abstract to applications, so you can provide UI designed for the generalized sizes and densities and let the system handle any final adjustments as necessary. "

      The fact that so many people complain about not being able to find a good, "normal" sized phone is testament to that fact. Screen sizes are growing, and that's happening because people prefer larger screens. Apple resisted for years. The iPhone was the perfect size. Then they caved to market pressure.

    14. Re:Can we just get an affordable, usable phone?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No the point of the Nexus line was to provide a platform for Google to showcase Android as they meant it to be since manufacturers tended to provide their own skinned version of the OS

    15. Re:Can we just get an affordable, usable phone?! by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      There's plenty of companies offering huge screens. In fact, "normal-sized screens" are the rare ones.

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    16. Re: Can we just get an affordable, usable phone?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should be living in Africa, if not be deported to Africa

    17. Re:Can we just get an affordable, usable phone?! by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      Uh, according to that link, 7 and 7.1 make up 13.5%, not 23%

      I did state that the assumption was an optimistic one. ;)

      Screen sizes are growing, and that's happening because people prefer larger screens. Apple resisted for years. The iPhone was the perfect size. Then they caved to market pressure.

      And then they came right back and offered a smaller size again, which sells like hotcakes. Not everyone wants a tablet in their pocket. That said, I like the slightly larger 6, and don't know which way I'll go on the next upgrade.

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    18. Re:Can we just get an affordable, usable phone?! by rpstrong · · Score: 1

      Additionally, screen size category is reported by the device, and is arbitrary, and the labels are relative.
      Thus as screens grow larger on average, the reporting of the size diminishes. That is, 2012's "large" phone is today's "normal" phone.

      Have you got cites on that - that the labels are growing? According to the developer's guide, screen sizes are defined as:

      xlarge screens are at least 960dp x 720dp
      large screens are at least 640dp x 480dp
      normal screens are at least 470dp x 320dp
      small screens are at least 426dp x 320dp

      A dp is 1/160 of an inch long - hence, the referenced sizes are absolute, not relative. As sizes increase, we can expect to see new standards for extra-large, extra-extra-large, etc. (The same applied to resolution values).

    19. Re:Can we just get an affordable, usable phone?! by rpstrong · · Score: 1

      A dip or dp is a unit of distance (1/160"), not a unit of density. A 'normal' phone phone starts at around 3" (470/160), a 'large' phone at 4" (640/160).

    20. Re:Can we just get an affordable, usable phone?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      which obviously makes them NI normal sized then doesn't it

  10. What's the reason? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    From what I can tell, the reason is that Apple hoodwinks people into paying a premium; a device from Apple is a status symbol.

    Hint, there's a reason besides fanboism that Apple has 95% of the profits

    1. Re: What's the reason? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because Apple is good at providing a slightly higher quality for a niche customer base. They have been doing that for decades.

    2. Re:What's the reason? by clonehappy · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Absolutely not. An iPhone is only a status symbol to poor people in the trailer parks who don't know any better.

      There IS a reason besides fanboyism that Apple has 95% of the profits, and it's tightly integrated software and hardware solutions that do what they're supposed to, all day every day.

      Sure, an iPhone isn't as exciting or cutting edge in some regards as some of the flashy gimmicky Android toys out there (the ones that cost just as much as an iPhone, mind you). Just like a Toyota Camry isn't as exciting as a Dodge Challenger R/T, but guess which one makes more money? The vast majority of people just want a usable and reliable mobile product.

      Sure, an iPhone costs more than an entry-level $150 Android. It's also not a piece of shit like every entry-level $150 Android. But the Android phones that actually compete with iPhones cost nearly as much and you still get much less as far as usability and hardware quality is concerned.

    3. Re:What's the reason? by Daemonik · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There IS a reason besides fanboyism that Apple has 95% of the profits, and it's tightly integrated software and hardware solutions that do what they're supposed to, all day every day.

      No, the reason is a 30% cut of every sale from the marketplace and doing their utmost best at preventing purchases through anything but the marketplace. It's called a walled garden. Apple could give away it's phones and barely dent its profits.

      Also those "gimmicky" Android "toys" as you call them? They're introducing the features the next gen iPhone will sell you at a 300% markup and make you feel like you're an innovator for it.

      Try being a little less of an Apple fanboy. They make a decent product, at a massive markup, and do their best to keep you locked into it. They have their downsides too, like changing adapter ports for no discernible reason other than getting to sell you all new accessories every few generations, complete lack of repairability, no SD cards, that smug sense of false superiority that makes it's users so so punchable because they fall for marketing bull.

    4. Re:What's the reason? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should try to keep your statements at least on nodding terms with the facts then you'd sound less of a twat.

      "punchable", love the irony.

    5. Re:What's the reason? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sure, an iPhone costs more than an entry-level $150 Android. It's also not a piece of shit like every entry-level $150 Android.

      Personally, I have a $250 Android phone and it's fine.

      My wife has a $150 Android phone and she's happy with it.

      As much as people want to claim that cheap smartphones are worthless, for many people, they aren't. All I need from my smartphone is the ability to read email, browse the web, play a few games, run some business apps, read some books, etc.

    6. Re:What's the reason? by Desler · · Score: 1

      That's interesting because I know and work with hundreds of people who own iPhones and none of them view or pass it off as a status symbol. In my experience, the only people who make it out like anyone thinks an iPhone is a status symbol are butthurt Fandroids who think everyone should only buy the phone they approve of.

    7. Re: What's the reason? by Desler · · Score: 2

      Apple has sold more than 100 million of iPhones a year since 2012. That would hardly qualify as a "niche" customer base.

    8. Re:What's the reason? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      They have their downsides too, like changing adapter ports for no discernible reason other than getting to sell you all new accessories every few generations,

      No reason other than your lack of understanding you mean. Apple changed their connector 8 years after iPod and 5 years after using it on the iPhone. The new connector is smaller and can be inserted either way. But progress is no reason change the connector according to you. [sarcasm]Unlike Android phones which never changed their adapter in that time other than: mini-USB B, micro-USB B, micro-USB B SuperSpeed plug, USB-C. Also proprietary chargers only used on specific brand/models. Other than those variations, Android phones have never changed their chargers in that time.[/sarcasm]

      complete lack of repairability

      [sarcasm]Yes because every Android phone is completely repairable**[/sarcasm]
      **except the following models

      • Samsung Galaxy S6, S7, S8
      • Google Nexus P
      • HTC One M9
      • etc, etc
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    9. Re:What's the reason? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reasons to buy an iPhone:

      1. Without trying, I know there will not be any shovelware on the phone that requires that I spend time jailbreaking the phone to remove.

      2. Software updates for at least two years if I buy a recent model iPhone.

      3. For whatever reason, perhaps due to a better update policy, there is less malware for iOS.

      4. I don't have to spend a lot of time reviewing every model of every brand of phone available to find the one that offers a solid software update policy, no shovelware, and good hardware.

      I had an Android phone previously (Motorola Droid RAZR HD) and while I had no real issues with it, I hated the lack of updates, the shovelware (yes, had I not bought it through the carrier I could have avoided it but this is never a problem with iPhones even if I got it through the carrier), and somewhat shoddy quality of construction.

      I can easily afford the most expensive phones and I'm also a person who very rarely buys new hardware. A $700 iPhone will easily last me at least 4 years and my plan is to use it for 7 or 8 years, which is how long I used a really crappy Samsung feature phone before the Droid RAZR HD, which I ditched after using it only 5 years.

  11. Google Should Buy Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Google should buy Google, so they can shut it down in a few years.

    1. Re:Google Should Buy Google by MiniMike · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't work. They would just sell it back to Google. They'd make a huge profit, but claim a loss in their taxes.

  12. HTC G2 was my favorite phone. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make more phones like that.

    1. Re:HTC G2 was my favorite phone. by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Physical keyboard goodness!

  13. Why? by segedunum · · Score: 1

    They had Motorola. Did fuck all with it.

    1. Re:Why? by clonehappy · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Google is the most schizophrenic company in the history of incorporation. They're like a petulant child who gets a new shiny toy, then gets bored with it, throws it away, then wants a new one the next day.

      The best thing to do is refuse to use any and all Google products, and maybe they'll go away.

    2. Re:Why? by azrael29a · · Score: 1

      Google is the most schizophrenic company in the history of incorporation. They're like a petulant child who gets a new shiny toy, then gets bored with it, throws it away, then wants a new one the next day.

      Nope, that's HP. See how fast they've ditched Palm stuff after the $1b acquisition of it. (hint: less than 2 years)

    3. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They had Motorola. Did fuck all with it.

      The whole point of the Motorola purchase wasn't for the phone business -- it's just to grab all of Motorola's patent holdings on cell phones in general.

    4. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They bought Motoral for the patent portfolio. They were not as interested at the time to produce hardware. Now... maybe it changed

    5. Re:Why? by Streetlight · · Score: 1

      I think Google (Alphabet ?) makes so much money from advertising they don't have any place to put it so they dabble in a few places, get bored with them, drop them and move on to another thing. Its stock does not pay a dividend, but a nice, fat stock dividend would be a good place to put some of that excess cash.

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    6. Re:Why? by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      Profit covers over a multitude of mistakes.

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    7. Re:Why? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Motorola wasn't acquired because Google wanted to make smartphones. Motorola was acquired for the patents. At the time, Google was being sued or at least threatened by Microsoft, Nokia, etc. Buying Motorola meant they also acquired any cross-patent licensing agreements that Motorola had. And if those agreeement did not protect Google, they could retaliate with the patents in a war of mutually assured destruction.

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    8. Re:Why? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Schizo implies inconsistent. All that era's HP did was overpay for acquisitions. They wanted bubble valuation, so they bought the most overvalued empty shell companies they could find: Compaq, EDS, Palm etc.

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    9. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But Official Google Asshole Shawn Willden may be here soon to explain to us all that schizophrenia is a Good Thing!!!

    10. Re:Why? by Junta · · Score: 1

      HP at least had a very visibly obvious explanation:

      Hurd wanted desperately to expand the consumer space, Apotheker hated that concept with a passion, and wanted money to go piss away on getting scammed by Autonomy instead.

      Whatever weird thing is going on with google's attention span isn't quite as blatantly obvious from the outside.

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  14. Nope! by cirby · · Score: 1

    The Google purchase is for the unprofitable phone part only - HTC is looking to keep the Vive part of the company, from what we've been hearing.

  15. Good news for Lenovo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In a few years they can buy HTC for a bargain price.

    1. Re:Good news for Lenovo by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      If lenovo keeps eating up all the phone manufacturers, then that would be bad for competition. Comcast would probably buy it.

  16. They should merge the VR team with the Glass team by pecosdave · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Having played with Google Glass I have to say it's pretty cool in many respects, there's certainly some first and some potential - but it's not much. By the time you're done with the new it's a creeper cam with head-mounted caller ID and an awkward Bluetooth headset.

    HTC's V.R. team has a great head-mounted video game display that's not useful for all the time / daily wear.

    Put these two together and see if you can make something genuinely useful in a real-world environment without making the wearers look like glass-holes.

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  17. Shareholder attempting to cash out by phayes · · Score: 1

    Sounds more like rumours spread around by shareholders attempting to keep the market value up while they cash out before HTF folds.

    Hey HTC support! Remember when I & others told you that abandoning support for your phones mere months after suddenly EOLing them was going to get you removed from everyone's supplier lists?

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  18. Re:They should merge the VR team with the Glass te by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HTC's V.R. team has a great head-mounted video game display that's not useful for all the time / daily wear.

    Put these two together

    The Vive isn't useful for daily wear because it's not intended for that whatsoever: it's meant to block out the world around you and immerse you in a videogame. VR headsets don't completely shroud your eyes because the tech is clunky, it's because they don't want the real world peeking in. Glass was meant to maintain your real world perception and overlay it with additional data whilst being vaguely discreet. The two approaches are pretty diametrically opposed. Even the Windows mixed-reality stuff still screens out the real world and makes you view it through a screen.

    I can't imagine how they could be combined without making you look like more of a glasshole, not less.

  19. death to goolag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    my sides

  20. This explains the dearth ... by ninjagin · · Score: 1

    ... of reference phone options at Project Fi. At one time, the HTC One was the Fi reference phone, and I had one, and it was pretty good, but not nearly as good as what they put together with the Motorola Nexus... my current handset. I'm actually pretty happy to get this news. I hope they're able to evolve the Pixel line forward and continue to demonstrate what pure Android can do.

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    1. Re:This explains the dearth ... by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

      Sure, after evolving from $400 to $1000 with no user-replaceable battery, no dual-sim slot|SD-card slot, the Pixel has evolved to no head-phone jack either. Sweeeeeet.

  21. From a user PoV, this is bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every user eventually figures out that you have a terrible disadvantage if you buy hardware with prebundled OS. And in the regrettable situation that you have to settle for doing that, even if it's prebundled it shouldn't be made by the same company. (Don't get me wrong: it's still going to suck if your PC comes with OS installed, but at least it won't suck as much as if the hardware maker is also the same as the OS maker.)

    If Google does this, the HTC-branded hardware won't be worth buying. It'll be just another iOS or Playstation, locked down and user-hostile.

    The mere rumor of this, ought to be negatively impacting HTC sales.

  22. Why? Patents. by DalM · · Score: 1

    Google basically paid $10B for Motorola's patents. (Bought the company for $12B, sold it for $2B sans patents). I imagine the same is basically true for HTC. But the rationale is different this time. The patent wars are basically over now, so Google is likely be buying HTC's patents to keep them out of the hands of someone else.

    1. Re:Why? Patents. by hanwen · · Score: 3, Informative

      Motorola had significant cash and tax offsets, making the effective price about $ 3bn.

      see https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Google-buy-Motorola-for-12-5-billion-and-sell-it-off-for-2-91-billion :

      "And what of Google’s supposed $10bn loss? It’s a misreported myth calculated by subtracting Motorola’s $2.91bn sale price from its $12.5bn purchase. What it misses are the $3.2bn Motorola had in cash, $2.4bn saved in deferred tax assets and two separate Motorola unit sales totalling $2.5bn in 2013. Factor in Lenovo’s purchase against roughly $2bn of Motorola losses during Google’s ownership and Google has still only paid $3bn for what it retained: $5.5bn worth of Motorola patents and the company’s cutting edge research lab."

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    2. Re:Why? Patents. by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      I doubt it's about patents. Although HTC has been in the market for a really long time. They manufactured smartphones, before they were even called that, like the HTC P3330. They were probably the best Windows Mobile manufacturer around. Back when Microsoft made a phone OS worth considering. They are a Taiwanese company and these typically do not have a lot of experience with patent warfare.

      What would make this sale weird to me though was that HTC is owned by the daughter of the founder of the Formosa Plastics Group. He's one of the richest men in the island. Their family could probably keep HTC as a going concern indefinitely if they wanted to. I have heard many times in the past of a buyout of HTC when they were in similar dire straits but they were never interested in selling the company at all.

    3. Re:Why? Patents. by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      Was one of the richest men I guess. I didn't know he had deceased in 2008. Still her family, as well as she Cher Wang personally, are quite rich.

    4. Re:Why? Patents. by DalM · · Score: 1

      Don't think patent war preparation, think patent troll protection. Google's not using them offensively, they just won't want them to land in the hands of someone else. If not patents, then this sale makes no sense. Google is making a killing on Android and it has a very safe place in the ecosystem market.

  23. Google screwed up Motorola. This will be the same. by slacka · · Score: 1

    Google sold Motorola at a $10 billion loss! Motorola had arguably better hardware design teams and arguably similar manufacturing capability as HTC. I've love to hear the argument from Google execs as to how and what they will do differently this time. And yes, I know Motorola was a patent play, but that still doesn't answer my question of how they will fix the mismanagement of the hardware teams.

  24. maybe they'll fix Pixel's Hardware by btroy · · Score: 1

    My daughter bought a Pixel. It's pretty.
    It has hardware flaws (easily cracked board), crashes.
    That makes a great device for $600

    Maybe they can fix the HTC garbage. My other daughter has an LG Nexus, that's a decent product for 1/2 the price.

    If they buy HTC, good luck.

  25. Can we just get an affordable, usable laptop? by tepples · · Score: 1

    Rosewill/Newegg or Intel or Kingston or Supermicro [,,,] that's the most maintainable, longest-lasting, best-value computer that you can get. No Dell or Apple customer will ever have it so good, so easy, so dependable, so long-lasting, or so reliable.

    If phones were like that, everyone would be happy instead of sad.

    I searched the brand names you provided, and most of them appear to be servers and desktops. True, servers and desktops can be like that. But in order for phones to have a chance of being like that, laptops first have to be like that.

  26. ALL VR owned by Spies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great. So now both major VR options, Oculus Rift and the HTC Vive, will be owned by the greatest threats to our privacy ever.

    People got all pissed off and turned their backs on the Oculus once Facebook bought them, I hope for the sake of fairness and consistency that they do the same thing to the Vive if Google buys it.

    Thankfully other alternatives are out there but it sucks to have both major VR sets owned by the two biggest public branches of the NSA.