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China Joins the Growing Movement To Ban Gasoline, Diesel Cars (arstechnica.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: China has become the latest country to publicly discuss plans to ban the production and sale of gasoline- or diesel-powered vehicles. In July, both France and the UK published plans to phase out sales of conventionally powered vehicles by 2040. China will now add another nail to the coffin of the internal combustion engine. However, unlike the French or British plans, in this case there's no target date -- yet. The news comes from an automotive policy forum in Tianjin. China's vice minister of industry and information technology, Xin Guobin, said that his ministry has begun work on a timetable to phase out fossil fueled vehicles. The Xinhua news agency also reports that Xin told automakers they need to begin to "readjust their strategies" accordingly. For foreign car companies hoping to sell EVs in China, that will mean investing in the country, as imported vehicles come with stiff import duties attached.
Their oil dependent Allie will be happy to hear about that
Coal-fired cars are about to go bigly bigleague, stupid uuuge Gyna is playing right into my hands.
That's because it's their uuuge hoax! China, the land of tricksters and elaborate pranks. "Oooh, poisonous air and water, you got me Xi! Good wan!"
There's not enough lithium in the earth to make enough batteries to replace everyones car with an EVs.
I'm really looking forward to HCCI engines (Homogeneous Charge Compression Ignition), such as Mazda's SkyActiv-X engine, taking over until better battery technology is invented using more available elements on earth.
This is why we should all be moving off oil. Let the Arab princes fight in their crappy sandpit. They can do it without our money and without our support. We can go back to working on more worthwhile pursuits like space travel.
The US is currently more or less self dependent for Oil, having larger reserves than most of the ME countries ... combined. We don't control the world like people think, OPEC does.
And it makes sense to cut resources you have to import (in China's and Europe's case) and not give money to people who want to blow you up for being an Infidel.I honestly wish them well.
The US will get there, when it is economically reasonable to do so. But unlike China, and some of the European countries, we do not have a centrally planned economy.
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That's a nice, far-away target date that lets people feel good about themselves without actually having to do anything. Plus there's plenty of time to extend the deadline when it eventually approaches (or just quietly ignore it at that point, given there are likely no enforceable deadlines or penalties associated with the plan).
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... the US will ban all automobiles that get more the 15 MPG.
The Saudis seem to have seen the writing on the wall, hence their recent moves (under their younger princes) to diversify their economy. More education, research, and (gasp) the levying of taxes.
Drill baby drill - on Mars
I honestly wish them well.
For clarification sake only ... "them" refers to those that want to cut resource usage (China and Europe), not the people wanting to blow you up. ;) :-D
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Correct!
Using methane as a hydrogen donor you can reform coal into gasoline.
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Does that mean they will stop making them for other areas as well?
And I thought education was the answer to every problem. Sending coal to Reform School must be the answer. - See what I did there. - Never mind.
The US is currently more or less self dependent for Oil, having larger reserves than most of the ME countries ... combined.
A factually deficient statement, since average oil reserves than most of the Middle Eastern countries (ill-defined as that is), tells you nothing about US consumption or production versus reserves. Also relies on people thinking most Middle Eastern countries are members of OPEC.
We don't control the world like people think, OPEC does.
Keep telling yourself that.
And it makes sense to cut resources you have to import (in China's and Europe's case) and not give money to people who want to blow you up for being an Infidel.I honestly wish them well.
Good point, that is why American should be boycotted.
The US will get there, when it is economically reasonable to do so. But unlike China, and some of the European countries, we do not have a centrally planned economy.
That's nice, but actually, the vehicles in the market are regulated, and there are many standards in place to control them because they interact with the public space, not the private. Same as any other functional country.
Of course, with President Orange Toupee in charge, he'd likely demand all vehicles install a Dukes of Hazard Dixie horn as a memorial to the saintly General Lee.
Even if my own federal government is sticking it's head in the ground, it's good to see that some nations are beginning to take our global situation seriously. A shift in the structure of power will occur when nations actually take our situation seriously.
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Long-term, light electrically powered vehicles are probably the best choice from both the manufacturing cost perspective and the operating cost perspective. Both financially and environmentally. But chances are that in a future where all faster and heavier vehicles are obligatorily automated, even "traditional" larger vehicles could probably enjoy diminished resource expenditure by omitting safety features unnecessary in an environment without drunkards and tired people behind the steering wheel etc.
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Christmas come early! Kids into the mine, grab as much as you can! Wages shmages!
But the coal has to want to reform.
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I have a feeling that in a hundred years, the Arabian Peninsula will be covered in solar collectors, and they'll still be an energy superpower.
The fact is that everyone knows oil is doomed. At this point, the oil barons are more interested in eking out another couple of decades of profits before fossil fuels are put to bed for good. Watching the faux skeptics around here is like watching a meeting of flat Earthers, half of them knowing what they're saying is idiotic, but just unable to give up their pointless contrarianism.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
I also believe that in 100 years the Arabian peninsula will be covered in sheets of silicon, but for a different reason. They won't be photovoltaic but they'll still be forged with intense heat. The rest of the world will be better off though, living a life free from carbon dug from the ground. Also free from the energy superpowers in Saudi Arabia.
How would the people on the Arabian peninsula export this energy? Are they going to turn the sun into liquid hydrogen and ship that out or something? Arizona is just as big as the Arabian peninsula, closer to the people in the USA, Canada, and Mexico, and free from the endless wars in the region. I can make similar arguments for India, China, Russia, Brazil, or most any nation large and small.
Whatever energy source comes to replace oil is not likely to come from the Middle East. Whatever they have, except oil, the rest of the world also has plenty of access to. No one is going to have to go to the Middle East to get more of whatever that might be.
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Very little oil from the Arabian Peninsula makes it into the US. The United States produces mostly all the oil it needs internally now.
...and the United States is ruled by attorneys whose sole purpose in this world is to pollute it with paper.
From: http://www.ranken-energy.com/p...
World's Largest Producer of Batteries Pushes to Ban non-Battery Powered Vehicles. More at 11.
This reminds me of when California passed the Zero Emissions Vehicle law that required 2% of all cars sold after 1998 to be electric. Remember how that turned out? Same thing here.
Many of those products are ALSO on the way out!
Diesel Fuel, Motor Oil, Cassettes, Shoe Polish, Panty Hose, Shag Rugs, Oil Filters, Movie film, Fan Belts, Shaving Cream... If the list were sorted by percentage of petroleum demand, I'm sure Diesel Fuel and Motor Oil would rank high -- and electric vehicles will eliminate those items.
I think demand for petroleum would drop to 25% of its current level when electric vehicles fill the markets around the world. Ships and trains might be the final holdouts...
..so, more rickshaws and fewer cars?
Electric rickshaws have been common in China for decades. There are dozens of models to choose from.
Arizona is just as big as the Arabian peninsula
You should learn to read a map. AP is more than 10 times the size of Arizona.
Very little oil from the Arabian Peninsula makes it into the US.
More or less true. In 2016 6.8% of all U.S. oil consumption was supplied by the Arabian Peninsula. Not a lot, but hardly nothing - it is 1/8 of U.S. imports.
The United States produces mostly all the oil it needs internally now.
In 2016 the U.S. produced 45% of the petroleum that it consumed, less than half. This is down slightly from 2015 (48%) when Saudi Arabia ramped up production, cut oil prices, and shut down U.S. exploitation of high priced tight oil.
A bit over half of our imports come from Canada and Mexico, and the rest mostly comes from OPEC.
Starships were meant to fly, Hands up and touch the sky - Nicky Minaj
Wood gas vehicles when? I hear they are pretty popular in Best Korea. Perhaps there is an opportunity for some technology interchange there.
Have gnu, will travel.
The US is currently more or less self dependent for Oil, having larger reserves than most of the ME countries ... combined.
Rydberg Energy's most recent estimate has (using the estimate type most favorable to the U.S., which is the most speculative) finds the U.S. to have slightly less oil than Saudi Arabia alone. Throw in other Middle Eastern countries and it is well more than 2-to-1 to the U.S. disadvantage.
Starships were meant to fly, Hands up and touch the sky - Nicky Minaj
Dammit, I missed a decimal place!
So what if it takes the area of India to get as much sun. (Did I get that right? Within 10% at least?) That solar energy is worthless if they can't ship it out somehow. Less than worthless if the rest of the world can get it from a closer and friendlier nation, connected by land. Mexico comes to mind for the Americas. (Yes, Mexico is like half the area of the Arabian peninsula but it's also not halfway around the world.)
It's not like there is a lack of land area between 30 degrees north and south on Earth. Middle East nations have a near monopoly on oil due to having a fairly unique access to this natural resource. If solar power replaces oil then they lose that monopoly. Europe (which has a voracious appetite for energy) might be connected by land to the Middle East which would make shipment of solar energy pretty trivial, no matter what form they ship it in, but Africa and Asia are just as close. (Yes, I can read a map. Africa is separated by water from Europe, so drop some wires and pipes in the water for that relatively short distance. It's been done before.)
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While the case is quite clear about manufacturing and operating costs, I doubt that 1 million EV's could have escaped from Miami last week. They all would have gone 200 miles and needed a recharge. One million extension cords plugged into Disneyland would be quite the sight.
LOL. What a shit hole.
taking a ride on one of those after you bribe a politician is fun, I guess.
In China nothing gets done unless money exchanged hands.
Funny how one extreme use case is held up as an excuse for not changing things. Using the "200 miles" as a distance limit is telling, as it assumes that the technology will not improve at all, when it has already improved a great deal in the last decade.Charging technology is also improving greatly, it's ridiculous to assume that there won't be sufficient charging capacity installed as the number of electrics on the road increases.
Consider this - auto driving cars would be able to convoy to reduce energy usage, and smoother traffic flow from auto-driving vehicles would reduce slowdowns and jams. That alone will greatly improve evacuation efficiency. This technology is rapidly approaching market, any electric car produced in 10 years should be capable of this functionality.
So, instead of 10 hours on the road to go 200 miles, we have the scenario of 4 hours on the road, followed by an hour to charge, and then back on the road to go another 200 miles before the old-style cars would have made it to the first stop. (Though realistically we should see 300-400 miles between charges)
China must have hired an enormous pile of lawyers to make the world's #1 and #2 supercomputers. Meanwhile the U.S.'s much superior engineering is not even third.
"We're number four! USA, USA, USA! We're number four!"
More gas for the USA!
Trumps's plan is working, America will be back in the 1950's again before we know it!
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The 'should' is possessive, so yes.
WTF?! This is a joke, right? You do understand the perfect tenses are formed with the verb 'to have,' eg. You should have gone to school, not with the preposition 'of.' Of course you do!
Works wonders on independent 3rd world air pollution sources, such as poorly maintained cars, and for authoritarian governments...
Ships will do fine with LNG. If ocean harvesting of methane hydrate works out, huge supplies.
Imagine if the also joined the civilized world in treating animals humanely.
Simple. Get two mirrors, and place them *exactly* parallel. Do I have to do all the thinking around here?
P.S. They go shiny sides *in*.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
You know that's still a co2 emitting fossil right?
In theory, you could have one large 40-ton container truck running diesel generators and charging cars as they move along the road.
It will be a long time before it becomes economically responsible for the US to move away from oil. It generates a lot of profit and tax revenue, and most of the costs are externalized to other people who don't matter and are easily fooled into thinking that it's good for them.
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"We". You're not controlling this.
Look at IKEA. For all their faults, they manage to make cheap but good furniture out of materials like wood and cotton, which don't create landfill problems and which are sustainable. When they use plastic, they try to use as much recycled material as possible.
Just saying "we need oil to make model cars, curtains, yarn, pillows and folding doors" and therefore must consume all that is available is not even trying. No surprise from the Ranken Energy Corporation of course, but it's not like you can't make a lot of that stuff either out of other things or out of recycled plastic.
Is there really no way to manufacture a drinking cup without oil? How did people consume beverages before plastics were available?
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Yea ... that's not half as funny and/or cute as you think it is.
How would the people on the Arabian peninsula export this energy? Are they going to turn the sun into liquid hydrogen and ship that out or something?
Electricity is actually quite easy to move through cables.
Drill baby drill - on Mars
I'm a human caused climate change skeptic, but I welcome new fuels and power sources. Sorry, your stereotypes are not universally true. However, the range IS a reasonable concern. I live 50 miles from the nearest supermarket and fuel station. It's quite easy to keep fuel in cans with stabilizer. Huge batteries for charging cars aren't yet an option when there's no power - a fairly common happening where I live. If we had batteries with really high energy density I'd welcome leaving internal combustion behind - maybe in another 20 years (It'll come when fusion does!).
Yep, can't have those pesky citizens having a method to travel around that doesn't require fourteen kinds of permission. Just ignore the fact that electric vehicles just mean more emissions somewhere else.
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That's good, because digging through that glass might be long term hazardous due to the radiation.
http://oilprice.com/Energy/Ene...
That is the report I was looking at.
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