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The New Apple Watch Series 3 Has Cellular Built-In (techcrunch.com)

The first big product unveiling at Apple's Event at the Steve Jobs Theater in Cupertino, California was the Apple Watch Series 3 with built-in support for cellular. TechCrunch reports: Wireless cellular LTE connectivity provided by a built-in chip means the new Apple Watch will be able to stay connected even when it's not tethered to an iPhone, which is a huge step forward in terms of making it an independent mobile device. Pricing for the Series 3 Cellular starts at $399, and a version without cellular starts at $329. Pre-orders begin on September 15, and they'll be available on September 22. The new Apple Watch is visually quite similar to the existing version, with backwards compatibility with existing straps and bands. There's a new Blush Gold color to match the new iPhone color option, and a new ceramic Dark Gray for the higher-end models that joins the existing white. Plus, the cellular version sports that red crown for an extra bit of visual flare. The non-cellular version doesn't have the new red crown.

Inside, it has a new dual-core processor with 70 percent better performance, as well as a new W2 chip that improves Bluetooth and wireless connectivity and power efficiency. The cellular antenna is actually the display itself, and there's an electronic SIM card inside for connectivity. The device is the same physical size as the Series 2, despite adding everything needed for cellular and LTE connectivity -- though the back crystal is extended 0.25 mm, which is incredibly thin. It's still got GPS like Series 2, and it's swimproof, plus it packs in all-day battery life still.

55 comments

  1. Just what I needed by fred6666 · · Score: 1

    A second monthly cell phone bill. I might as well get a third one so that I can get WiFi in my car, even though my smart phone has hot spot capability.

    1. Re:Just what I needed by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Informative

      It shares your iPhone's number, so there's no "second monthly cell phone bill". It's possible the carriers might add some sort of additional device fee, though.

      The demo was actually effective - not so much the dude on stage, but the fact that it worked well at the other end with the woman on a paddle board in the middle of a lake.

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    2. Re:Just what I needed by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

      what kind of ghetto ass carrier do you have that won't add devices to an existing account?

    3. Re:Just what I needed by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      I have a $35 a month 'ghetto ass carrier.' Now, I know you blow that amount every time you go into your local coffee shop, but that's why you have a zero balance in your savings account.

    4. Re:Just what I needed by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

      don't even have a savings account

      real estate and other investments FTW

    5. Re:Just what I needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is this surprise??? Every single watch out there has a cell capabilities. It is just that it is not turned on (software, the hardware is on, and the firmware as well).

    6. Re:Just what I needed by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      What will your face be coated with when the bubble pops?

    7. Re:Just what I needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Basically you will pay for the watch again every year because of the added device charge. Do not want.

    8. Re:Just what I needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In fact you are wrong. Every device has a imei/esn but it is perfectly possible to have 2 devices share the same phone number.

    9. Re: Just what I needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Possible or extra money for carriers. Hard choice bunk.

    10. Re:Just what I needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No they don't. I have 2 SIM cards that answer to the same number. I can even use them at the same time and both phones will ring.

      Additional cost? Just a one time fee for getting the cards, nothing monthly.

      So it is possible, question is, will your carriers let you?

    11. Re:Just what I needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is less about what the device/network need and more about what the carriers billing system expects. At least when I worked for one, everything was billed based on a phone number. So new devices got new numbers. Just the way it was. I would hope they have updated since then as more and more non phone devices exist on the networks.

    12. Re:Just what I needed by terjeber · · Score: 4, Interesting

      EVERY FUCKING DEVICE that connects to a cellular network HAS ITS OWN NUMBER

      I love it when clueless morons post anonymously in all caps. Everything in your moronic post was wrong. Literally everything.

    13. Re:Just what I needed by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Dogecoin FTW! My ten bucks of Dogecoin will soon be worth double or even triple what I invested!

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    14. Re: Just what I needed by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      Yeah, it will be interesting to see what adding a watch onto your [insert carrier name here] account will be.

      If it is reasonable, I might seriously consider this....the iWatch looks nice as a time piece and good as a fitness tracker.

      The only think I can't find, is if it will now function as a sleep tracker.

      If it does that, and the additional cellular charges are reasonable, I think I might finally get one.

      My fitbit has the rubber peeling away from the face, looks pretty ratty and I'd like something a bit nicer going forward.

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    15. Re:Just what I needed by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Basically you will pay for the watch again every year because of the added device charge. Do not want.

      Then do not get, dumbass.

    16. Re: Just what I needed by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it will be interesting to see what adding a watch onto your [insert carrier name here] account will be.

      If it is reasonable, I might seriously consider this....the iWatch looks nice as a time piece and good as a fitness tracker.

      The only think I can't find, is if it will now function as a sleep tracker.

      If it does that, and the additional cellular charges are reasonable, I think I might finally get one.

      My fitbit has the rubber peeling away from the face, looks pretty ratty and I'd like something a bit nicer going forward.

      Don't know about built-in Sleep-Tracking (I haven't watched the KeyNote yet), but there are a number of 3rd Party WatchOS Apps that do Sleep Tracking:

      https://www.wareable.com/apple...

      Hope this helps!

    17. Re:Just what I needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Grouchy there aren't you, TimCock sucker

    18. Re: Just what I needed by Monster_user · · Score: 1

      They already charge for data, so just allocate it like the phone has mobile hotspot enabled. Have the data count towards the number, not the devices. I have a faimly member who has done similar. She bought a Tablet which shares a number with her phone. The same messages and such go to both devices.

    19. Re: Just what I needed by CrazyBusError · · Score: 1

      No, it wasn't. He's right - they all have their own number. The fact that you don't know it and that it proxies your main number means you might not realise that, but at a low level, every SIM has a unique mobile number allocated.

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    20. Re: Just what I needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Be nice. apples big event was kind of a let down. All the zealots are touchy right now.

    21. Re: Just what I needed by terjeber · · Score: 1

      every SIM has a unique mobile number allocated.

      Every SIM has its own IMSI number, but there is no need for a mobile operator to assign an actual unique phone number to the SIM, the phone number is merely a "proxy" to the IMSI number. Obviously, a carrier might assign a unique phone number to your SIM but they'd be stupid to do so since it would waste perfectly good phone numbers, a dwindling commodity.

    22. Re: Just what I needed by terjeber · · Score: 1

      Make that EMEI above, I was momentarily vacuous.

    23. Re: Just what I needed by terjeber · · Score: 1

      He's right - they all have their own number

      So, let me get the IMSI/EMEI etc out of the way...

      Every phone has a unique EMEI number. The phone number (called MSISDN) is what you punch onto your keyboard to call a phone, this phone number is then mapped to one or more EMEI codes to connect the callers. Since a user can have multiple phones, you can map a phone number to one or more EMEI numbers. IMSI is a unique identifier for a user (not a device) and should in theory be unique for each user in the world. For obvious reasons that is not the case, the best it can do is identify within a country, and depending on the country, perhaps not even that.

      At the end of the day, an IMSI can have multiple MSISDNs, which can map to multiple EMEIs.

    24. Re:Just what I needed by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're paying $35/month on mobile phone service and you're lecturing other people about financial responsibility?

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  2. Still no battery life by ranton · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Until these smart watches have a few days of battery life or wireless charging from ten feet away, I'll be going without. I'm sure there are plenty of people who are more diligent about charging their devices every night without fail, but I'm not one of them.

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    1. Re:Still no battery life by itamihn · · Score: 1

      That's why I got my Garmin Vivoactive HR. Way less features than a smartwatch, but I can use it for most part of a week with no need to think about the battery.

    2. Re:Still no battery life by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      My wife just got one of the Garmin Fenix watches. Very expensive, but apparently it can go a whole week on a charge. The old Forerunners are nice in that you can forget them in a drawer for months and they'll still be ready to go when you get it out.

    3. Re:Still no battery life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Until these smart watches have a few days of battery life or wireless charging from ten feet away, I'll be going without. I'm sure there are plenty of people who are more diligent about charging their devices every night without fail, but I'm not one of them.

      Well, I'll go one better ... until these smart watches serve a fucking purpose, I'll be going without.
        I'm sure there are people who are stupid enough to think they need to be constantly tethered to their goddamned email, but I'm not one of them.

      It's OK, you can take a fucking shit without checking your fucking email. You can regain your attention span and you won't die. If you are so in need of constantly being connected to your phone, then I would suggest your mental health would be greatly improved by re-learning the fact that you can put it down and walk away and simply not care for a period of time.

      Honestly, this obsession with being connected 24x7 is unhealthy. People need to rediscover the fact that they don't need to be constantly inundated with this crap; having it always on your wrist all of the time is just not doing you any good.

      Seriously people, put the internet down and walk away for a few hours, and stop being that crack monkey hammering on the bar until you get your next fix.

    4. Re:Still no battery life by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I'm sure there are plenty of people who are more diligent about charging their devices every night without fail, but I'm not one of them.

      Have you tried? I mean not about getting a watch, but doing some daily diligence that is linked to a pretty much 100% repeatable event of you falling asleep.

      If you think about it, things you do daily you're probably incredibly diligent about, e.g. brushing your teeth, getting dressed, going to sleep, etc. When you tie a requirement to an action you repeat daily you'll be surprised how diligent you actually are.

      Screw smart watches, it's bad enough that I need to charge my phone every night, but really it's not even something I think about or try to remember to do, I just do it daily because I tie it to another event I do daily, going to bed. .

    5. Re:Still no battery life by adolf · · Score: 1

      Maybe I'm just shitty at being a human, but I have a hard time remembering to do any/all of the things on your list. I've been trying for decades.

      It's impossible that I'm the only person who has a hard time settling into any sort of routine.

      So, yes: Sometimes I wake up (usually not at the right time), find my phone battery mostly flat, and then put my shoes on before my pants, and only realize after I've left for the day that I haven't brushed my teeth. Or my hair.

      Charging my watch? Hahaha. Last time I wore a watch it was a simple mechanical thing with a battery that would last for years, and I never took it off because I'd forget to put it back on.

      Some people suck at routines.

    6. Re:Still no battery life by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Hahahha fair enough. Was just a suggestion because I find myself forgetting adhoc things to the point that I carry a notebook around whenever I can't carry my phone (I work in a hazardous facility). The only things I do remember are those tied to a routine.

  3. Oblig by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 4, Funny

    No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame.

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    1. Re:Oblig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy shit was that funny! Every. Fucking. Time.

      You forgot to link to an equally hilarious xkcd "comic"

      DIAF idiot.

  4. samsung S2 had this years ago, rarely use it by ganjadude · · Score: 2

    i got one for free with my S7 and while it was kind of cool, the battery life when in use was cut in half, and it costs an extra 5 or 10 bucks a month from verizon at least. I wonder how much battery life has come in 2 years because thats the biggest dealbreaker against LTE on the watch right now

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  5. Usable without any other Apple Gadget? by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

    Can I use this Apple Watch with cellular without even owning any other Apple gadget?

    They clearly said it shares the phone number with your regular phone. So that means I can synch it to my Virgin Mobile Galaxy J series phone?

    Or is it just an 'even more remote' dongle?

  6. Obligatory Dick Tracy Watch Comment by Nova+Express · · Score: 2

    Kids, ask your parents who "Dick Tracy" was.

    No, not the guy banging Madonna.

    Er, kids, ask your grandparents who Dick Tracy was.

    Also: Get the hell off my lawn!

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    1. Re:Obligatory Dick Tracy Watch Comment by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      No, not the guy banging Madonna.

      I think you're a few decades behind - she's married and divorced a couple guys since then.

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    2. Re:Obligatory Dick Tracy Watch Comment by blindseer · · Score: 1

      Not only that, I doubt kids these days have heard of Madonna.

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  7. The Apple Watch is replacing the Home Button by no1nose · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I heard that in order to bring us larger screens, thinner phones and battery life, Apple is removing the Home Button from the iPhone 8 and using the Apple Watch as it's replacement. They did something like this last year, but with the headphone jack and did not offer a replacement.

    1. Re:The Apple Watch is replacing the Home Button by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iPhone X has the edge-to-edge screen with no home button. To get home you swipe up on it. Touch ID is replaced by a proper implementation of Face ID, with a regular and IR camera with IR contour projector. Intel did something similar a couple of years ago for laptops and desktops but not many vendors implemented it.

    2. Re:The Apple Watch is replacing the Home Button by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      I noticed that, in all of the iPhone X demo shots where they talked about how it adapted to your look... there wasn't a single one where the person was wearing sunglasses or tinted lenses.

      And given they said you needed to be "giving attention" to the phone - I'm guessing it won't work under those conditions, which is going to be annoying for some people.

      (It was also funny how FaceID didn't actually work right at first for Federighi.)

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    3. Re:The Apple Watch is replacing the Home Button by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      iPhone X has the edge-to-edge screen with no home button. To get home you swipe up on it. Touch ID is replaced by a proper implementation of Face ID, with a regular and IR camera with IR contour projector. Intel did something similar a couple of years ago for laptops and desktops but not many vendors implemented it.

      "proper implementation" of Face ID is debatable.
      BTW, "IR camera" for a digital camera means basically there's no hardware IR filter on the existing camera, same as removing the hot mirror from a DSLR.

  8. HOLY FUCK! iPhone X is amazing! SUPER RETINA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    HOLY FUCK! Apple has just announced the iPhone X and it is fucking amazing! It has a SUPER RETINA display! HOLY FUCK!

    1. Re:HOLY FUCK! iPhone X is amazing! SUPER RETINA! by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      And now, with the iPhone X, there's no reason at all to buy an iPhone 8!!!

      The iPhone X will, of course, be in backorder until next April. So hold onto your old iPhone 6 until then.

    2. Re: HOLY FUCK! iPhone X is amazing! SUPER RETINA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Samsung must be so pissed.. oh wait....

  9. and... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... it is still useless.

  10. Just what I don't need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So sharing number is probably something to do with mirroring the number through your carrier. You need a identifier sequence with carriers to direct calls. So I do wonder if both your iPhone and Apple watch would receive calls at the same time? But I'm sure carriers will throw another access fee onto it no matter.
    I just question the fact Apple has crammed all that circuitry into a watch, how reliable its going to be on a watch.

  11. From Pebble to Apple by DrYak · · Score: 2

    Yup indeed.

    The whole premise when smart watches where successfully brought back to the spotlight by Pebble, was to have electronics as power-economic as possible.
    Pebble had eInk among the considered technologies to make it cheaper.
    Tethering to a phone was actually a *selling point* - leave as much works as possible to the phone, and use the smartwatch only as an interface in order to make the most out of its tiny power budget.
    You ended-up with watches which could go a week or more between charges. (and currently you find smart watches which try to have even lower power requirement, such small fraction of watts that thermoelectric effect from the wearer is a valid method to boost battery life).

    Then the big companies noticed the popularity and the tremendous success of pebble in crowd-funding, and panicked that they might miss a slice of the pie.
    So they rushed in with what they have : ultra-brilliant marketing department able to sell anything by making it seem desirable, and boring soulless engineering department trained to cram bullet points on a list.
    And you end up with products which are basically not smartwatches - i.e.: extensions giving a few useful extra functionnality on an otherwise nice watch - but instead are diminutive crippled phones. Things that try to be phones but with catastrophic performance.

    It's "iPhone 1" and it's horrendous battery life all over again.
    Apple Watch 3 will end up being a crappy iPhone strapped to you wrist, not a brillant device revolution that Apple is desperately in need to stay relevant.

    The sad part is that Pebble started an interesting trend of low-power device that can hold a week,
    but the whole concept of smartwatches seem to be dying due to over flooding the market with crappy power-hungry stuff.

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    1. Re: From Pebble to Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ya you can thank apple for fucking up the smartwatch industry

  12. botnet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now you can have the botnet in your pocket *and* on your wrist. Welcome to 2017

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  13. Wireless. More space than a nomad. Lame. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wonder how many of the current editors get the joke.

  14. Michael Knight Responds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "KITT, Get Over Here !"

    1. Re:Michael Knight Responds by BatGnat · · Score: 1

      Sorry Michael, I am not allowed to interface with Apples propriety systems....