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It's Illegal to Pirate Films in Iran, Unless You're the Government (vice.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: While legal "pirating" exists in Iran, six administrators of the Iranian pirate movie site TinyMoviez have been arrested by Iranian authorities. This was a website the Iranian national broadcaster had used to download and nationally air movies in the past. The exact date of the arrests are unknown, but Tehran's Prosecutor General announced the arrests on September 26, 2017. The website is still online, but users haven't been able to download content from it since September 19, 2017. Now TinyMoviez administrators are finding themselves on the wrong side of Iran's odd and often pirating friendly copyright laws. Iran's copyright law is a quagmire when it comes to understanding what rights exists for creators of an original piece of work, and what rights exist for those wanting to re-distribute original works, such as movies. Meanwhile, Article 8 gives the government broad powers to reproduce work that is not its own. This means that the government is exempt from Article 23, which criminalizes the theft of another's work.

35 comments

  1. Iovi, bovi ... by kbahey · · Score: 1

    A classic case of: Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi.

    1. Re:Iovi, bovi ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A classic case of: Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi.

      In plain Esperanto please.

    2. Re:Iovi, bovi ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A classic case of: Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi.

      In plain Esperanto please.

      As requested:

      Kio estas permesebla por Jovo ne estas permesebla por taro

    3. Re:Iovi, bovi ... by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

      Bah!

      wej vaj mangghomDajDaq chaw' jupiter chaw' nuq ox
      Go Klingon or Go Home!

      Oh, wait...

      That's Go Klingon AND Go Home...

      Stupid Translator...

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    4. Re:Iovi, bovi ... by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      More like cat on a hot tin roof. On one paw, you get to harm the US economy by making it's content freely available, on the other paw, you are spreading evil content, on the other paw, you get to piss ohf the American government and they can't do much about it but on the other paw you are spreading US culture. Ouch, ouch, ouch, ouch, which paw do you burn and which paw to cool.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdfFbCsM-4M

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  2. Iran is a cruel dictatorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why is this even news?

    1. Re:Iran is a cruel dictatorship by shaitand · · Score: 2

      I fail to see why this is cruel or dictatish (kings english), not that I disagree those terms apply to Iran.

      IP is a completely artificial concept, there is no such thing as rights here. There is no such thing as "theft of another's work" just infringement of these artificial grants to stimulate creativity. It makes perfect sense that a government wouldn't extend the grant to limit itself allowing creative people to profit from their work while allowing the government to utilize the best the citizenry has produced to govern as well as possible. If the US did the same it would save taxpayers billions, if not trillions of dollars.

      It seems like it would be much more newsworthy when a government limits itself with copyright or the equivalent thereof.

    2. Re:Iran is a cruel dictatorship by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Like it's different in ours? Ok, not concerning anything that touches the property of corporations, that's sacrosanct, but when it comes towards your "rights" vs. government's "I wanna", guess who's going to be right.

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    3. Re:Iran is a cruel dictatorship by schleimkeim · · Score: 1

      EVERY government does stuff that is illegal for its citizens.

  3. Government Explained In One Mad Lib by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's Illegal to (VERB) in (PLACE), Unless You're the Government

    1. Re: Government Explained In One Mad Lib by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gay, Iran.

  4. Ayatolla AssAhola! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am shocked. TRUMP can use this as further leverage against these seedy characters.

  5. Iran's copyright law is a quagmire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do we cut off his hands?
    No, it says we stone him.
    After do we cut off his head?
    Yes, OK, you can cut something off.

  6. Lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're looking for logic in a country that is run by religious ayatollahs.

    Do you think there's any sense in this, whatsoever?

    Whatever the ayatollah says, goes. Period, and end of discussion.

    1. Re: Lol by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      Don't look for logic anywhere on planet Earth.

  7. Semantics by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

    This means that the government is exempt from Article 23, which criminalizes the theft of another's work.

    In civilized countries, it is called "taxes".

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    1. Re:Semantics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This means that the government is exempt from Article 23, which criminalizes the theft of another's work.

      In civilized countries, it is called "taxes".

      No no no no! I wont' have that! ... Iran is no less civilized than most other countries.

    2. Re:Semantics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's far different, taxes is like a big pot where everyone put some of their earnings to mantain physical and social infrastructure, coincidentally lots those big resources attracts corruption in various forms, politians and boureaucrats are the most evidents but also many business people and regular people too.

      Taxes gained bad reputation because are being used as they were as in monarchy times when people in power specifically hated and dispised the same people that fed them.

      It's kind of sad that all human societies still faces the same social problems since more than 4000 years, seems like humanity has not really learned or advanced, it only got more powerful toys.

  8. Library exception by tepples · · Score: 5, Informative

    The featured article claims that Article 8 of Iran's copyright law mentions an exception for public libraries and educational institutions.

    Public libraries, documentation centers, scientific institutions and educational establishments, which are noncommercial, may reproduce protected works by a photographic or similar process, in the numbers necessary, for the purposes of their activities, according to a decree to be issued by the Board of Ministers.

    I don't see how it's fundamentally different from sections 108 and 110 of the U.S. copyright statute, which likewise grant exceptions for library and classroom use respectively.

    1. Re:Library exception by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Indeed; and my country enumerates the non-infringement in a copyrighted work's use by police and court proceedings, other government institutions, journalists, political speakers, classrooms, prayers, libraries under pretty broad rules, etc. etc... I would think that such exceptions must be pretty widespread.

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  9. Nothing strange here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it's sort of the same reason that the Internet Archive can pretty much keep anything they want - broadcast it over the Internet or over the TV, there's really no difference when you think about it.

    Stop trying to paint the Iranian government as a threat to Hollywood, or whatever it is you're trying to do.

    1. Re:Nothing strange here by Wootery · · Score: 1

      Stop trying to paint the Iranian government as a threat to Hollywood, or whatever it is you're trying to do.

      Good news - this projection doesn't break any copyright laws.

  10. not illegal to pirate in Iran by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If you're licensed by the government to do so. And it isn't really pirating
    for Iranians since Iran is not a signatory to the WIPO treaty and not bound by international copyright conventions.

    BTW, here is a PDF of Iran's copyright law from the WIPO website http://www.wipo.int/wipolex/en/text.jsp?file_id=197798

    Reading it you'll find that it is hardly a quagmire of confusing and conflicting clauses for authors, and that motherboard's representation of Article 8 is disingenuous, " Article 8 gives the government broad powers to reproduce work that is not its own".

    Notice Article 8:

    Article 8. Public libraries, documentation centers, scientific institutions and educational establishments, which are noncommercial, may reproduce protected works by a photographic or similar process, in the numbers necessary, for the purposes of their activities, according to a decree to be issued by the Board of Minister

    Seems like a rather taxpayer friendly policy.

    1. Re:not illegal to pirate in Iran by mutantSushi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That shows the moronic premise of the article. If the government doesn't make it a crime, it isn't a crime. "IP rights" are nowhere considered "natural law", they are specific government policy with aim for certain economic outcome.That Iran happens to differ from US law is unsurprising, MANY countries differ from US re: IP law (e.g. software patents). Hard to take article seriously when 99% of it is misguided and superfluous. But "OMG IRAN" plays well in Zionist States of America, so...

    2. Re:not illegal to pirate in Iran by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "IP rights" are nowhere considered "natural law",

      A part of them pretty much are, in much of Europe. Read up on authors' rights and moral rights.

    3. Re:not illegal to pirate in Iran by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...I probably should have read the links a bit closer before posting. The articles on copyright-related matters on wikipedia are a mess.

      Here's an old version that looks a bit more palatable: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Authors%27_rights&oldid=95202670

  11. Large plothole for Blowfinger by Dirk+Becher · · Score: 1

    I can't believe Steve Martin thought he'd get away with this.

    1. Re:Large plothole for Blowfinger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Large plothole for Blowfinger

      Do you mean Bowfinger (1999)? I liked it because, for the first time, Eddie Murphy was in supporting role, as his talents deserved; Heather Graham was brilliant as the untalented, promiscuous, social-climbing starlet. The movie, like its subject matter, appeared to be done on a shoe-string budget but I could forgive its mediocre production values because it was an entertaining, not great, story.

  12. By the power vested in article x or y.. by evolutionary · · Score: 1

    This government can do whatever it wants, whenever it wants, for as long as it wants, because....if you don't like it, it can take it up with the people who have weapons that can take out your house. an intelligence that can blackmail your pets, and murder squad so good at killing you don't even know you're dead till a few hours after the trigger has been pulled. It's kind of like the story: Someone gets a loan from a bank for a tank. They by the tank. A friend asks what are you going to do when the bank comes calling for it's money to be paid back. The borrower answers, "I have a tank".

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  13. Iran is not bound by WTO Copyrights by mbone · · Score: 1

    Iran is not a signatory to the Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works or the WIPO Copyright Treaty, or a member of the World Trade Organization (WTO), so it is not bound by international copyright laws. Why? The United States has vetoed Iran's ascension to the WTO 22 times, and Iran will not play by the rules if they don't get to join the club.

    1. Re:Iran is not bound by WTO Copyrights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... United States has vetoed Iran's ascension to the WTO ...

      It's always perplexed me that Iran and Cuba played nice while big-boy USA, was such an arsehole. Even when 'shut-out' of world trade, these countries could have done a lot of damage (to the USA) because they didn't have to follow the USA's rules on everything.

  14. Given that this is Iran... by sconeu · · Score: 2

    Is the OP sure that the arrests were for piracy, and not for putting up something that might be considered either pro-Western or un-Islamic?

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    1. Re:Given that this is Iran... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Iran's politics aside, that is the obvious question avoided by the article whose goals seems to be conflating "democracy and human rights" with state granted IP monopoly, and not only that but obfuscating the "state granted" part so as to make it appear to be a norm that doesn't depend on government policy in the first place. US of course itself having history of suppressing political speech it doesn't like, including in recent time prosecuting that guy who dared redistribute hezbollah or iranian news channel in the US (despite law protecting foreign news sources).

  15. More Semantics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While legal "pirating" exists in Iran

    I thought that Sudan had the piracy problem. Perhaps msmash and vice.com do not know the difference between copyright infringement and piracy (hijacking, kidnapping, rape, robbery, murder, etc. at sea).

    (a) any illegal acts of violence or detention, or any act of depredation, committed for private ends by the crew or the passengers of a private ship or a private aircraft, and directed: ... A ship or aircraft may retain its nationality although it has become a pirate ship or aircraft.

  16. Before getting too self-righteous... by Archtech · · Score: 1

    ... US citizens might like to read this: https://www.lewrockwell.com/20...

    In the USA, the state can confiscate cash (or pretty well anything else) without even accusing you of a crime.

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