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Dutch Police Build a Pokemon Go-Style App For Hunting Wanted Criminals (csoonline.com)
"How can the police induce citizens to help investigate crime? By trying to make it 'cool' and turning it into a game that awards points for hits," reports CSO. mrwireless writes:
Through their 'police of the future' innovation initiative, and inspired by Pokemon Go, the Dutch police are building an app where you can score points by photographing the license plates of stolen cars. When a car is reported stolen the app will notify people in the neighbourhood, and then the game is on! Privacy activists are worried this creates a whole new relationship with the police, as a deputization of citizens blurs boundaries, and institutionalizes 'coveillance' -- citizens spying on citizens. It could be a slippery slope to situations that more resemble the Stasi regime's, which famously used this form of neighborly surveillance as its preferred method of control.
CSO cites Spiegel Online's description of the unofficial 189,000 Stasi informants as "totally normal citizens of East Germany who betrayed others: neighbors reporting on neighbors, schoolchildren informing on classmates, university students passing along information on other students, managers spying on employees and Communist bosses denouncing party members."
The Dutch police are also building another app that allows citizens to search for missing persons.
CSO cites Spiegel Online's description of the unofficial 189,000 Stasi informants as "totally normal citizens of East Germany who betrayed others: neighbors reporting on neighbors, schoolchildren informing on classmates, university students passing along information on other students, managers spying on employees and Communist bosses denouncing party members."
The Dutch police are also building another app that allows citizens to search for missing persons.
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So, aren't *you* demonstrating treasonous behavior? Just saying :P
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The alternative is sensors and cameras automatically finding persons of interest and uniformed officers grabbing people without notice. Having at least one citizen in the loop may make the police more trustworthy, if the system is set up only for serious crimes.
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Hey, I know, let's encourage the general populace (particularly the younger set) to hunt down potentially violent criminals. Surely there is no way this can backfire?
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I think he meant the first part of it. If Trump is making decisions that aren't good for the U.S.A., isn't it treason?
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It seems as though the history of your country is nothing BUT covert attacks on the people by powerful interests. Why single out one person?
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Sure, but in partisan politics both sides believe they are right and the other side is flirting with treason simply for disagreeing with them. It becomes meaningless.
"A show of strength brings greater security"
"A show of diplomacy brings greater security"
Both valid arguments that are neither objectively wrong or right in all situations, both taken as gospel by some, both vilified as evil and dangerous by others.
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These methods have been used throughout time. The only new thing here is the modern tech boost.
Germany was certainly very actively using these tactics during WWII to root out those destined for concentration camps. Informing on neighbors was highly encouraged and not doing so was very dangerous.
This is a tactic most utilized in social policing and tends to reemerge with populist movements. It may start out with "crime", but the crimes tend to evolve because citizens routinely think people with different belief systems need to be punished and feel empowered to do it themselves.
My country? I'm Canadian, you insensitive clod!
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I don't think policing is psychologically healthy. Distributing the load can only be a good thing... Also that slippery slope? I wonder what fallacy that logic is using.
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Trump was put into power by the people. The will of the people can never be bad for the USA.
Emulating what was done in East Germany in the free states, is beyond the pale. East Germany was an occupied country, in reprisal for the 2nd war. In effect, Germany and Japan still are occupied countries, with all the foreign soldiers on their soil, but we like to pretend that it isn't so.
There is a huge difference between crowd-sourcing 'wanted warrant' search versus asking people to report perceived offenses against a state on their own volition.
East Germany (and other Eastern Block states) problem with citizens spying and reporting crimes was that it was mostly interested in political crimes/dissent. As it was something hard to prove or disprove, people were often reporting people they disliked, just for sake of causing them trouble.
It was:
1) possible false accusations due to personal hatred
2) being hunted for 'thought crimes' or any disapproval of state
3) not being able to trust your neighbors(or even family)
which was making it bad, not a pure fact that it was civilian reporting a crime.
That article kind of equates calling police when you see/hear somebody beating his wife in apartment next door to falsely accusing your coworker of anti-state collaboration so he will get taken to Gulag and you can get his position. In both cases you are turning against somebody who possibly trusted you and reporting him to state-run enforcement. But there IS a difference - and I think that finding stolen cars firmly fit into former category.
If police will start falsely flagging cars of political dissidents as stolen and using other citizens to hunt them down, only then it becomes a problem. But guess what - if they do that and do NOT involve other citizens, it is problem of same size.
Trump was put into power by the people. The will of the people can never be bad for the USA.
The ignorance of those 2 sentences cannot be overstated.
Shut the FUCK up you communist scum! Trump is the GREATEST leader in world history! You are on the wrong side!
The police should arrest anyone who says that they "didn't do nothing", because that is a straight out admission that they did do something.
Perhaps you forgot that America's greatest enemy is history and geography they have no idea what you are on about. The history of the CIA/America is a history of unintended events and blow back and turning war lords into drug dealers the kind that use forklifts.
To think Hillary a good candidate is to be completely unaware of recent history starting from when Bill became governor, she has a hell of a track record.
you are partially correct and tremendously arrogant but typical for an american.
Now, we have no nice places.
Please accept my apologies for assuming that you're American :D
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If the Dutch police made this application then why are they working as police rather than programmers? ;)
Oh, the police didn't make this at all. Words matter.
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Historically, the "fringe" parties slowly drift towards totaltarianism. That is why we always need three parties that represent three different political values.
The US only has two, and if there were a third party, it would largely gaurantee that the left never wins, because it would split the vote of the left. This is why when shitty communist and libertarian parties want to run, you let them. It keeps the extremeist assholes and those who vote for them in the fringey-but-ultimately-neutered parties, and makes your casually racist conservative party and casually socialist liberal parties look that much less unhinged.
However right now the right-wing of the US political spectrum has lost the moral high ground (it lost it as of Nixon, but was thoroughly burned to the ground as of Bush Jr.) It may appeal the the pseudo-christian theocracy types in the US, but what those types really want is a theocracy, not the destruction of the government and enrichment of themselves which is what rich racist billionaires like Trump and the Kochs are pushing. But at the same time the left-wing of the US political spectrum tries to keep the moral high ground by not playing the dirty games the right-wing does, and thus it is a much harder road.
Like does anyone seriously think gerrymandering is only a GOP thing? No, it's done by any politician that is holding on to power by the skin of their teeth, and whenever that seat flips, it gets gerrymandered the other way. If the US had a healthy voting system, all the voting roll purges and voter data mishandling in the world still wouldn't elect shitty people, because 80% of the people would turn out to vote, and the best candidate would win by over 75%. Instead what we have just about everywhere are these slim 5% majorities. a 5% majority is not blanket authority to do what you wish.
Like if I was a US politician, and I had "my side" in majority, the first thing I would do is roll back every harmful thing of the predecessor. Which is why it's so damn hilarious that even though the GOP managed to win the House, Senate and President, they haven't been able to pass anything of substance except disaster relief for their own voter-bases in red country.
If the US territories like Puerto Rico, Guam, US VI, etc could all vote in the presidential election, and could vote for a senator and house representatives, the GOP would never, ever be in power again.
The US is quite literately being tested by the current administration and public to see how much cartoon villainy they are willing to tolerate before someone takes their second amendment rights too seriously and causes an armed insurrection to restore the balance.
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That is why we always need three parties that represent three different political values.
As of May 2017, there were at least 28 distinct ballot-qualified political parties in the United States.
I thought they didn't have criminals in the Netherlands because guns are illegal and who doesn't want a romp in the Netherlands?
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Nobody mentioned Hillary, you two-party system fanatic.
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This sounds like Stephen King's novel, The Running Man. The movie diverged a bit but was similar. Citizens help the authorities catch someone on the run.
Liberals call everyone Nazis yet they are the closest thing to it.
A form of mobile community oversight and participation could indulge in petty behavior however the introduction of additional non-union community-funded bodies into the various state systems would likely improve both safety and accountability.
I still can't figure out what schoolchildren telling on each other has to do with turning in car thieves! What sort of schools are they running in the Netherlands these days?!
And are we really sure that managers "spying on" employees counts as one of the evils of East Germany? Isn't that what being an employee is everywhere? I mean, if you work at McDonalds in the United States of America, and you drive a stolen car to work, and your manager finds out, doesn't he also call the cops on your dumb ass, and also fire you?
I just don't see the valid dichotomy being fought over here.
How authors who had eye witness generational access to the politics and ides of the 1920-50's told readers of what advances in tech would give governments.
Made for escapist fictional reading and movies in the 1940-90's.
Now a new generation are happy to work as unofficial informants digitally finding people for "crimes".
Thought crime? Wanted for the wrong kind of comment on social media?
Its a chilling way to ensure police only have to do one interview with a person who was reported for using social media for political reasons.
Be politically "good" online for decades or the next report will have the "neighbourhood" tracking a person for a crime.
The "neighbourhood" is never sure of the crime but only the very worst people get listed and tracked in that way.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
In sane countries, those are called unions.
Yes i'm aware of the US and UK. Comment stands ;3
There was a scene like this in the movie version of The Circle (dunno if it was in the book, haven't read it). Governments must be harvesting ideas from dystopian sci-fi.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
We already have this coming here in the USA. How many times have you heard "officials" say, "If you see something, say something," especially after a mass shooting or bombing? While that seems like perfectly rational advice if there is terrorist activity going on, we already have citizens reporting on citizens for far less. Look no further than your local Code Compliance department for ways to use the gov't against people you don't like. You can get 'em for making too much noise, having weeds in their lawn, failing to mow often enough, having trash, having trees, just about anything!
Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.
No one is faster to use the levers of government to shut down the opposition and force people that disagree with them to toe the party line or face the lawful violence of government than a member of the left.
The problem with the Republican party is that there are people like McCain, who is a big government, corporate supporter, and people like Paul who will never compromise on anything that prevent any kind of working legislation to be done. McCain will never vote for anything that makes Trump look good. Paul will never vote for anything that doesn't repeal Obamacare, Medicare, Social Security, and any law passed after 1912.