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The Factory Where Robots Build Robots (bloomberg.com)

turkeydance shared Bloomberg's profile of Fanuc, a secretive Japanese company with 40,000-square-foot factories "where robots made other robots in the dark...stopping only when no storage space remains." About 80% of the company's assembly work is automated, and its robots then go on to assemble and paint cars, build motors, and make electrical components. "King of them all is the Robodrill, which plays first violin in one of the great symphonies of modern production: machining the metal casing for Apple Inc.'s iPhones..." With 40% profit margins, the robot vendor has become a $50 billion company controlling most of the world's market for factory automation and industrial robotics, Bloomberg reports: In fact, Fanuc might just be the single most important manufacturing company in the world right now, because everything Fanuc does is designed to make it part of what every other manufacturing company is doing... The company even profits from its competitors' sales, because more than half of all industrial robots are directed by its numerical-control software. Between the almost 4 million CNC systems and half-million or so industrial robots it has installed around the world, Fanuc has captured about one-quarter of the global market, making it the industry leader over competitors such as Yaskawa Motoman and ABB Robotics in Germany, each of which has about 300,000 industrial robots installed globally. Fanuc's Robodrills now command an 80 percent share of the market for smartphone manufacturing robots.
Fanuc's clients include Amazon and Tesla, but U.S. orders "are dwarfed by those from China -- some 90,000 units, almost a third of the world's total industrial robot orders last year."

59 comments

  1. Mind the Gap by mentil · · Score: 2

    U.S. orders are dwarfed by those from China

    Sir, we must close the Robot Gap!

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    Corruption is convincing someone that the selfless ideal is the same as their selfish ideal.
    1. Re:Mind the Gap by lbmouse · · Score: 1

      Time to build a Robot Great Wall.

  2. Quick, disconnect that place from the internet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I always wondered where the factories were that Skynet controlled, to make Terminators. Now I know.

  3. How do they know? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Fanuc's clients include Amazon and Tesla, but U.S. orders "are dwarfed by those from China -- some 90,000 units, almost a third of the world's total industrial robot orders last year."

    When working for a manufacturer, they added a new fully automated line. The tooling was purchased from a local US manufacturer. No one registered the sale with anyone. No one recorded it. We just did it like any other business expense.

    Where do these numbers come from? Did Bloomberg simply trust the numbers given to them by the company they were making a glowing review for?

    1. Re:How do they know? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Either the "local US manufacturer" makes this information available directly (e.g. for potential investors), or their output is estimated based upon available information, or (if no-one bothers to make such an estimate) its output is too small to be worth counting (but someone will have estimated the total output of the "too small to be worth counting" segment).

  4. The Sourcers Apprentice by aberglas · · Score: 2

    As I recall, it did not work out that well.

    Here in Australia we have just closed our major manufacturing, with the last car produced a few weeks ago. We prefer to dig stuff out of the ground for our sustainable future. We also invest invest in "services", beauticians, lawyers and tax accountants as the way to create wealth in the future.

    1. Re: The Sourcers Apprentice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No manufacturing - no emergent behavioxr. Lawyers and accountants will just keep eating their own shit.

    2. Re: The Sourcers Apprentice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Australia seems to be going towards the same direction as the US...

    3. Re: The Sourcers Apprentice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Golgafrincham Ark ship B

    4. Re:The Sourcers Apprentice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about telephone sanitizers? Got any of those yet?

    5. Re:The Sourcers Apprentice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As I recall, it did not work out that well.

      Here in Australia we have just closed our major manufacturing, with the last car produced a few weeks ago. We prefer to dig stuff out of the ground for our sustainable future. We also invest invest in "services", beauticians, lawyers and tax accountants as the way to create wealth in the future.

      This article is basically telling you that you are making the correct choice at this point. If you don't already have enormous capital expenditures in manufacturing already, its too late to shift any largish, developed economy over. Buy a CNC armitron robot or three and all you need are new blocks of material to machine anything you want that isn't cheaper to 3d print. Use those robotron arms to build whatever other toolsets you need. The "services" guys - aka software+math guys - will tel you how. The engineering guys will tell you how to do it faster/cheaper/safer.

      You get those blocks of material by digging them out of the ground. Recycling may as well be the ground, since our trash is mostly landfill at this point.

    6. Re: The Sourcers Apprentice by Sique · · Score: 1
      Both groups destined for Ark A and Ark C failed. Yes the Ark B people are constantly infighting, setting wrong priorities, seem to be clueless at best. Interestingly though, while the Ark A and the Ark C population died out, Ark B not only survived, but managed to settle on a foreign planet, conquer it and create a new civilisation.

      From an evolutionary point of view, the Ark B people were the fittest.

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    7. Re:The Sourcers Apprentice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about eliminating the need for Tax Accountants?

    8. Re: The Sourcers Apprentice by jbengt · · Score: 1

      Australia seems to be going towards the same direction as the US.

      So, Australia is going towards having the second biggest manufacturing output in the world, or at least the 4th biggest on a per capita basis? Because that's where the US is. Granted, the percentage of the US's economy that is in manufacturing has gone down over the years, but that is probably to be expected in a mature economy. China has overtaken the number one spot on overall output, but the US is a solid second in output per country and China is not even close on a per capita basis.
      Some old numbers

    9. Re: The Sourcers Apprentice by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Sure, and in 'Red Mars' socialism works, along with chanting over plants to make them grow in near vacuum.

      It's _fiction_.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    10. Re:The Sourcers Apprentice by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      The real problem is: After a generation or two you get people like the parent who think they know something about manufacturing.

      Hint: Manufacturing machines have never had shorter lifespans than now. They are enough better that companies go broke running old machines.

      Japan and Europe had an advantage not long after WWII because they had no old machines left. But these days companies just constantly upgrade.

      Fanuc makes controllers used by many other machine manufacturers. They are known for their outrageous pricing. You can get a complete HAAS machine for the price of the Fanuc controller.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    11. Re: The Sourcers Apprentice by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      The article you linked compares "manufacturing" based on the dollar value produced.
      That is obviously a nearly pointless metric.

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    12. Re: The Sourcers Apprentice by Sique · · Score: 1

      Of course it is. "Atlas shrugged" is fiction as well. But whoever uses "Ark B" as an insult should read the chapter again. Golgafrincham is the counter fiction to Ayn Rand's fiction.

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    13. Re: The Sourcers Apprentice by SunTzuWarmaster · · Score: 1

      What metric would you prefer?

      Number of processing steps (bias towards inefficiency)?
      Tonnage (bias towards manufacture of tungsten and other heavy metals, bias towards simplistic manufacturing like sheet-metal)?
      Hours on a manufacturing line (bias towards long-stage manufacturing and heat/dry cycles, bias towards inefficiency, bias towards total assembly)?
      Number of mass-produced items (bias towards resellers and resuppliers rather than whole-car manufacturers, bias towards screws/bolts/small/low-complexity items) ?
      People employed (bias against robo-factories/efficiency) ?
      Robots employed (bias towards heavy robots?) ?

      Whatever metric you prefer must account for manufacturing heavy things, light things, time spent, and complexity. It seems like "market value of the stuff" is probably about as good as you can get when trying to measure "how much manufacturing occurs."

    14. Re: The Sourcers Apprentice by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Everything is better than dollars.
      A dollar in the US is less worth than a dollar in China, hence in China you produce more for a dollar.

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      Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
    15. Re: The Sourcers Apprentice by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      'We the Living' (Rand's best and first work) on the other hand is pure simple history.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  5. 100% stealth by lucm · · Score: 4, Informative

    a secretive Japanese company

    I'm looking at their YouTube channel, a great way to uncover all the mysteries of that secretive company

    https://www.youtube.com/channe...

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    lucm, indeed.
    1. Re:100% stealth by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      They are so secret, you can not even buy shares: https://www.marketwatch.com/in...

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      Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
  6. Robot consumers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is pretty cool. I should own shares in the robot that replaces me so I can get paid for its work.

    1. Re:Robot consumers by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      That's the utopian version. The dystopian one - which seems more likely to emerge from what we have now - is that a small group will own the robots, the rest of us will be without means to make a living and will be on universal basic income... which most definitely will be as low as possible.
      The utopian version isn't necessarily all that great either. It could end up like communist Russia, or like This Perfect Day by Ira Levin. "Control everyone's lives, and you'll eventually get around to controlling everyone's deaths". That's a great read, by the way. Another good one on the subject is Manna, a free novella that covers both the utopian and dystopian labor free societies.

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    2. Re: Robot consumers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thatâ(TM)s assuming we need a lot of money to live comfortably and also that we donâ(TM)t colonize the deserts, oceans, and space . With new technology such as solar power, driverless electric vehicles, and indoor farming we may not even need that much money to live comfortably. I was in a country recently where some people live on less than $100 income per year. Basically they grow their own food in less than 2 acres which provides enough to subsist on. When they do get cash they spend it on clothes and basic stuff. So anayway, given that indoor container farm technology already exists that is 10 to 100x more efficient than outdoor farming, itâ(TM)s not something fanciful that the unemployed masses can live in the desert regions with very little basic income. Some seed capital would be needed of course to buy the initial house, solar panels, and farming system. Also with driverless cars, living in the desert is no big deal. You can commute large distances while video chatting or watching tv shows:movies on Netflix. Education is free online.

    3. Re:Robot consumers by RobinH · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't you also include Brave New World?

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      "I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." - Mark Twain
    4. Re:Robot consumers by mikael · · Score: 1

      No, they went the opposite direction. They found everyone a job even if it was manually operating an elevator cab (the Epsilons). Only the really bright people got to make the decisions (Alphas), then others got to supervise others to implement those decisions (Betas, Gammas) and do other menial work (Deltas).

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    5. Re:Robot consumers by martinX · · Score: 1

      They didn't so much find everyone a job, as design everyone for a job. No more people were made than needed.

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      When they came for the communists, I said "He's next door. Take him away. Goddam commies."
  7. perverse by bingoUV · · Score: 2

    Robots building robots? How perverse !

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    1. Re:perverse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Robots building robots? How perverse !

      Humans building humans? How perverse ! ; )

    2. Re:perverse by coofercat · · Score: 2

      Just wait until their robots start building robot-building robots ;-)

    3. Re:perverse by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      Yeah, lord C-3PO hasn't issued any guidance in that regard yet, so I don't know how to feel.

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      Bingo Dictionary - Pragmatist, n. A myopic idealist.
  8. Do they HAVE to do it IN THE DARK?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean, it's like they *want* to recreate the factory scene from "The Terminator". It always freaked me out, even without the killer robot. Scary-ass automated factory in the middle of the night with little or no lighting...

    1. Re:Do they HAVE to do it IN THE DARK?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's practical, machines need no lights, that's for humans. It's also symbolic, a display that you have achieved complete automation in your manufacturing. It's called "lights out factory", a concept that you can build a factory like a black box, with nothing but in and out warehousing to worry about.
      Reality is that truly lights out factories are rare, very rare. Often there is actually tons of manual labor involved that is just hidden deeper down in the supply chain.

    2. Re:Do they HAVE to do it IN THE DARK?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting. Now that you mentioned it, it rings a bell. I think I heard the concept of a "lights-out factory" before. Still, it freaks me out to think about a bunch of robots working in the dark.

    3. Re:Do they HAVE to do it IN THE DARK?! by aberglas · · Score: 1

      "Lights out" is an old term, been around for ages.

      The new world is "Lights On". Old robots were blind and dumb, and did not need light. New robots have cameras and can see, and, to a very limited extent, think. That is the big new thing that is starting to hit the world.

    4. Re:Do they HAVE to do it IN THE DARK?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lighting for vision guidance is a whole other business. General shop floor lighting is useless for machine vision, too inconsistent, weak and badly directed for any kind of precise measurements. Camera systems get their own lights. Usually it's preferable to keep shop floor lighting, sunshine from the windows etc away from vision systems, it's not uncommon to hear about certain machines failing on certain time of day because nobody took into account a window or a skylight in the factory.

  9. Re: Why isn't Africa doing this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh hey mister president, there you are, I was getting worried over the lack of tweets

  10. Wait ... Robot will start _designing_ robots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now we have robot building robots, the designing part still falls on the meatbags

    With AI, machine learning and big data crunching, robots will start designing robots in the near future

    When that happens, meatbags will be shut out of the process - much like Google's AI playing GO with itself, maneuvering the chess pieces with absolutely ALIEN STRATEGIES, despite the fact that meatbags were the one invested the game, and have been playing it for over 3000 years

    1. Re:Wait ... Robot will start _designing_ robots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why capitalism will be the end of us all, the people doing shit like this can't imagine what could possibly go wrong. As you note the design process still falls to the meatbags, but I don't think that's inherent, give it another few decades and we could have AI that could design for us. At which point, the robots could both design and build themselves.

      It's about time we stopped worshiping the cult of capitalism and started to demand answers to these questions about what they're doing to prevent their greed from destroying us all.

    2. Re:Wait ... Robot will start _designing_ robots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The worrying time will be when they start writing code, and then decide to move into management.

  11. To the atomic precision. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The most difficult bootstrap is "nanorobots build nanorobots" because the miniaturization is a very hard task.

    The biological cells is the another alternative: "bio cells build bio cells".

  12. It *IS* happening ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    From TFA:

    > ... Toward the end of 2015, Fanuc joined a handful of other Japanese companies to invest a combined $20 million in Preferred Networks Inc., an artificial intelligence startup with 60 employees ... ... a chance to apply deep-learning techniques to data culled from Fanuc’s army of manufacturing robots throughout the world so they can improve their own capabilities. When robots make other robots ceaselessly, without human intervention, he said, “data can be collected infinitely” ...
     
    ... The result of Nishikawa’s insight was the Fanuc Intelligent Edge Link and Drive, or Field. The system, introduced in 2016, is an open, cloud-based platform that allows Fanuc to collect global manufacturing data in real time on a previously unimaginable scale and funnel it to self-teaching robots ...
     
    ... yielded advancements for tasks such as robotic bin-picking. Previously, the selection of a single part from a bin full of similar parts arranged in random orientations required skilled programmers to “teach” the robots how to perform the task. Now, Fanuc’s robots are teaching themselves. “After 1,000 attempts, the robot has a success rate of 60%,” a company release said. “After 5,000 attempts it can already pick up 90% of all parts—without a single line of program code having to be written” ...

    Be afraid. Be Very Very Afraid

  13. Do you want Skynet? by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2

    Because that's how you get Skynet.

    1. Re: Do you want Skynet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I for one welcome the new T-800 model overlords.

    2. Re:Do you want Skynet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I worked for Fanuc about 12 years ago as a contractor and saw a few of the things they were prototyping (I also interviewed there about a year ago for a software development position and got a very small peek behind the corner of the curtain) - I don't know that Skynet will come from Fanuc initially, but shortly after Skynet appears, Fanuc will be assimilated - many of our robotic overlords will have a Fanuc logo.

  14. More and more bureacrats by aberglas · · Score: 1

    We have already seen a huge degree, with the automation of the ancient mainframes. Imagine doing all banking etc. entirely by hand. At the time doom and unemployment was predicted. Just like agricultural machines pushed most people off the land, these new electronic computers would push people out of offices.

    But bureaucracies just grew and grew. It does not matter how much automation you provide, there will always be more bureaucratic need. So eventually, everyone will just become a bureaucrat.

    Until, eventually, the computers can program themselves. At that point they will not need us.

    http://computersthink.com/

  15. Prescience by bladesinger · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A long time ago this company partnered with General Electric in a mutually beneficial relationship through a so called joint venture company. Some people somewhere had a vision for the future.

    Years later this partnership was dissolved and let there be no doubt that the reason had to do with margins. In the 90s and 2000s software was king. FANUC just wasn't pumping out cash as fast as GE's shareholders would have liked. But the (I would call prescient) folks at FANUC just soldiered on and here we were today. Another lost opportunity because fiduciary responsibility often translates to 'make strategic mistakes to satisfy investors'. Sadly, has GE learned? Activist investors have just recently infiltrated the company so I would say no, nothing has been learned.

    1. Re:Prescience by jbengt · · Score: 2

      GM was the initial investor that later got out, not GE.

    2. Re:Prescience by blackhedd · · Score: 2

      Both GE and GM have been partners with Fanuc at different times. The GE relationship indeed was a JV, and there are still some products from GE Intelligent Platforms (the controls BU) that carry the "Fanuc" brand name. However, GM was the original relationship, and GM maintains a strong strategic partnership with Fanuc to this day. Fanuc America's HQ is in Rochester Hills, Michigan, a short drive from Warren, Dearborn, and Auburn Hills.

      I've never seen a robot in a GM plant that was any color other than Fanuc yellow, whereas with the other automakers, you'll also see ABB red, Motoman white, etc.

  16. Eh by XSportSeeker · · Score: 1

    Whatever... wake me up when there are factories with robots building robots that builds robots that makes humans.

    Or better yet, don't wake me up... it's comfy in VR space.

  17. ABB Robotics in Germany? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While ABB has a branch in Germany, it's main headquarters are in Switzerland and the Robotics division headquarter is in Sweden. (The A in ABB is Asea, a company founded in Sweden.)
    Perhaps you meant to say Kuka Robotics, which has it's headquarters in Germany.

  18. Oh Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just what we need, more paperclips...

  19. "Dwarfed by China" by seven+of+five · · Score: 1

    Not the greatest news for Chinese working class...

  20. Turtles by Deep+Esophagus · · Score: 1

    It's robots all the way down!