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Singapore To Stop Adding Cars to City From February 2018 (bloomberg.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: Singapore, among the world's most expensive places to own a vehicle, will stop increasing the total number of cars on its roads next year. The government will cut the annual growth rate for cars and motorcycles to zero from 0.25 percent starting in February, the transport regulator said on Monday. "In view of land constraints and competing needs, there is limited scope for further expansion of the road network," the Land Transport Authority said in a statement on its website. Roads already account for 12 percent of the city-state's total land area, it said. Smaller than New York City, land in Singapore is a precious commodity and officials want to ensure the most productive use of the remaining space. Its infrastructure is among the world's most efficient and the government is investing $21 billion more on rail and bus transportation over the next five years, the regulator said.

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  1. What does this mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Adding Cars to City".

    Help me out? This means no new cars will be sold? Who does the "adding"?

    1. Re:What does this mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know when you register a vehicle and you put your address down? Yeah.

      Singapore is a weird place that has strict controls over the average persons life, not only can they do that thru gov't but the people who live there are conditioned in such a way that most wouldn't go out of their way to violate it.

      *chews gum*

    2. Re:What does this mean? by Anon-Admin · · Score: 4, Funny

      Chewing gum is banned in Singapore, I hope you are chewing that gum somewhere else. If not you could face a $700 file.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    3. Re:What does this mean? by Daneel+Olivaw+R.+ · · Score: 2

      bit over-rated, one of those things about which they are not very strict about. Brought them in from Malaysia by mistake, the border police just smiled and let me pass...

    4. Re:What does this mean? by HideyoshiJP · · Score: 2

      Naw, dude. It's medical gum. Brought to you by Wrigley's.

    5. Re:What does this mean? by careysub · · Score: 4, Informative

      It means that are capping the inventory of cars in the city. You can buy a new car, but it must replace an existing car.

      Singapore's road system in entirely built out. All of the island is urbanized. And the effective capacity of a finite, fixed capacity road system is also finite and fixed. They have decided that they have now reached capacity.

      Other urbanized islands do this. The number of vehicles in Avalon, Catalina Island is also fixed.

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    6. Re:What does this mean? by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      You can't just go out and buy a car in Singapore. Rather, you need to get permission to own the car first. My wife lived over there for a few years, so I've heard some of this stuff from her, but take it with a grain of salt, since my recollection is rusty.

      From what I recall, Sings are required to puttheir names on a waiting list if they want to own a car. I can't remember if it's first-come-first-served or a straight-up lottery system, but once their name is pulled they have to pay a massive fee (equivalent to several tens of thousands of USD), and it's only then that they're allowed to purchase and import a car. Their ownership license (which has an actual title, but which I'm forgetting at the moment) is only good for something like 10 years, at which point they need to pay the fee again.

      Because of the incredibly high fees, most people don't bother importing regular commuter cars like what you'd see on the road in the US or Europe, let alone hanging onto them until they're unmaintainable. Instead, if they're going to be paying something like $30K or $40K just to be allowed to own a car, plus the cost of the car, plus the cost of shipping it to Singapore, they tend to figure that they may as well go big. On top of that, if they're paying that much every ten years, regardless of what car they're driving, then they may as well bring in a new car each time. My wife was saying that it was rare you'd ever see a car older than 10 years.

      They actually have a similar system in place for owning your own apartment, from what I recall, though that wait list is even longer.

    7. Re:What does this mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Big deal. I live in California and I cannot..

      - Drink beer on the beach without getting fined.
      - Publicly drink without getting fined.
      - Hang out after hours without getting harassed by police.

      I can do all three in Singapore.

      They may have some crazy laws but California takes the cake.

    8. Re:What does this mean? by alex67500 · · Score: 1

      *swoosh* ?

    9. Re:What does this mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course they did. If they take it from you at the border, they get some worthless gum. If they let you bring it in and catch you chewing it, 700 dollar windfall!

    10. Re:What does this mean? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      It's a tiny little island. To buy a car, you must first win an auction for a car registration (maybe the wrong word). They allow cars in based on the design capacity of the road system. To date, they have been adding to the road capacity and thus increasing the number of registrations that they auction off. Now they have decided to stop expanding the capacity of the roads and limit the total number of registrations to the current amount.

      Fortunately for the locals, the public transit system is pretty fantastic.

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    11. Re:What does this mean? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      The vast majority of people don't actually "own" their apartment, but instead lease it from the state with a term of 99 years. They do buy and sell the leases as if they were real estate, though. The government owns almost the entire island and builds most of the housing. Before you get too indignant, see how long you can live in your own house in the US without paying the government your rent, er, property tax :)

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    12. Re:What does this mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Big deal. I live in California and I cannot..

      - Drink beer on the beach without getting fined.
      - Publicly drink without getting fined.
      - Hang out after hours without getting harassed by police.

      You're doing it wrong, then.

    13. Re:What does this mean? by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      Just to be clear, I wasn't intending to be or sound indignant. Measures like that are absolutely necessary when you're dealing with a resource that limited.

    14. Re:What does this mean? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Ah, sorry, that did read kind of hostile even with the smiley. Despite directly replying to you, the "you" in that sentence was directed to everyone :)

      Despite my libertarian tendencies, I actually think the Singapore model works pretty well. People from a very wide range of income levels and ethnicities are essentially forced to live amongst one another. The people there definitely have their complaints, and their practice of busing in huge numbers of Malay laborers everyday distorts the picture significantly. But they do have a pretty good handle on things like mixing low-income housing with market-rate housing, preventing the growth of ghettos/slums, and to some extent rich people fleeing social problems.

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    15. Re:What does this mean? by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      Ah, sorry, that did read kind of hostile even with the smiley.

      No offense taken! I read it as the kind comment it was originally intended to be. The smiley did its job well. Sorry for coming across defensively, when all I meant to do was set the record straight about my own thoughts. :)

    16. Re:What does this mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's basically most of the united states. Other than New Orleans and Las Vegas, I don't know any other cities in the US that allow public drinking.

    17. Re:What does this mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Weird country.

    18. Re:What does this mean? by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      There are a few more, as I found out while looking one time. Most are limited to specific tourist districts, though. Wiki article. Note that almost all of the linked mention that you have to have your alcohol in a plastic container, so it's still illegal to have a bottle of wine at a picnic in public.

    19. Re: What does this mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mix in a brown paper bag. Then they require a search warrant to see if you are drinking in public. You can have your brew (as long as you donâ(TM)t get intoxicated, giving probable cause for a warrantless search), and they can go about doing real police work.

    20. Re:What does this mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Note that almost all of the linked mention that you have to have your alcohol in a plastic container, so it's still illegal to have a bottle of wine at a picnic in public.

      Finally, wine boxes win!

    21. Re:What does this mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is common with HDB flats (government subsidized) but investment properties do not fall under the 99 year lease (there are exceptions for the wealthy). Furthermore, many investment properties (purchases over $1.5 million SGD) includes a Visa. This is a loophole that can be leveraged if you don't qualify for a Visa otherwise.

    22. Re:What does this mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Other urbanized islands do this. The number of vehicles in Avalon, Catalina Island is also fixed.

      Most people drive golf carts in Avalon...I don't think there's a limit on those.

    23. Re:What does this mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > You can't just go out and buy a car in Singapore. Rather, you need to get permission to own the car first.

      Jeesh. It's like looking into the horrible dystopian future of California.

    24. Re:What does this mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can chew gum here.

      You just can't sell the gum here.

      So if you are flying in, and have a few pieces with you, go ahead and chew away!

    25. Re:What does this mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are talking of the certificate of entitlement.
      You bid for one (there are limited numbers available, depending on how many vehicles got scrapped + 0.25% growth - they will remove the growth amount next year).

      You can bid 1 buck, you can bid a million. There is no waiting list.

    26. Re: What does this mean? by backslashdot · · Score: 1

      Seriously? I go to Singapore all the time â" never had any issues with police or the laws. If anything it seems to be quite lax in a lot of areas.

    27. Re:What does this mean? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not quite. The number of new cars allowed in various classes is first calculated by the government based on the number of cars taken off the roads plus new road development. That number is used to create Certificates of Entitlement which allows you to buy a car. There is then an auction of the certificates, with the sale price based on the lowest bid for the final certificate for that class.

      You can renew the usual ten year COE for another five years, but no longer.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certificate_of_Entitlement

    28. Re:What does this mean? by mykro76 · · Score: 1

      Not exactly. You can't buy or sell gum in Singapore - but you can bring it in for personal use. You can chew the gum - just don't spit it out.

    29. Re:What does this mean? by lokedhs · · Score: 1
      I live in Singapore and I own a car.

      You can go and buy a car and drive away with it immediately. The resellers buy the licenses (COE) and include it with the car when you buy it.

      This makes the cars incredibly expensive, of course, but as long as you have the money it's not a problem. If you want to see just how crazy expensive cars here are, take a look at the main web site for buying cars: http://www.sgcarmart.com/main/...

  2. overpopulation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And again everyone refuses to identify the root cause of the problem here, which is overpopulation.

    Overpopulation is the root cause of all our environmental problems, only one of which is lack of space.

    1. Re:overpopulation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. If they'd stop stacking people like cord-wood, everyone would have a better life. Seriously.

      If your country's too small for more people to live there, then you should probably start working on emigration treaties that allow people to move elsewhere without a lot of hassle. Then, because people are creatures of habit, you'll also need to incentivize them to move away.

      This is why the entire concept of "nations" is stupid. There should never be a reason people should be cooped up within the borders of a map-dot just because they were born there. There's a whole friggin' planet out there. Spread out. Stop being dumb.

    2. Re:overpopulation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Basic human instinct dictate reproduction over anything else. So it's no wonder people, including many intelligent ones, rationalize unlimited population growth. Often discussion of population control is downplayed or not even mentioned as a way of reducing environmental impact despite it being the most effective.

      Population growth at all costs is a nature induced group-think. Hopefully, humans will evolve to realize that unlimited growth isn't sustainable nor desirable. Though, some say not to worry, since nature (volcanoes, asteroid, etc) and/or war (fighting over resources and land) will address that. A depressing thought. I'm already well into middle age, and likely won't personally experience that.

    3. Re:overpopulation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stupid idea.

      This still doesn't solve the problem of overpopulation and the effects of it. Just shifts the burden to other countries.

    4. Re: overpopulation by tepples · · Score: 1

      If you can show up in some locality and by mere presence claim welfare, that doesn't work.

      It can if the countries have a treaty in place to share the cost of a migrant's social insurance for the first few years after migration.

    5. Re:overpopulation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Singapore isn't overpopulated though. They manage their infrastructure pretty well, and they've been limiting cars for years through very high tariffs. It's a pretty nice city compared to a lot of less densely populated north american cities and a major shipping nexus.

    6. Re:overpopulation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With your idea, people work in the city but live many tens of miles away? Two/three hour commute through gridlock is your idea of a better life? Seriously?

    7. Re:overpopulation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the SG govt want to expand the population from the current 5.3 million to 10 million by 2050.

    8. Re:overpopulation by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Basic human instinct dictate reproduction over anything else.

      That's what is going to have to change. One way or another.

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    9. Re:overpopulation by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

      Denial is a serious problem.

      My government in Australia is eagerly encouraging more people come here at massive, incredible detriment to the local job and housing market.
      It's madness.

    10. Re:overpopulation by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Developed countries tend to have birth rates below replacement level (which causes its own problems). With increasing access to health care and education for women, the population will level off and start to decline,

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  3. Confused.. by sqorbit · · Score: 3, Funny

    I was confused a bit on how this was managed. I decided to pull up the Wikipedia article on Singapore. Here is the exact quote from Wikipedia "Singapore is a unitary multiparty parliamentary republic, with a Westminster system of unicameral parliamentary government." I'm sure there is someone out there with a higher intelligence that might be able to explain that. I need a aspirin for my headache after reading that twice.

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    1. Re:Confused.. by MancunianMaskMan · · Score: 3, Funny

      or you could just edit the wikipedia article and delete all the difficult words

    2. Re:Confused.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Massive taxation on cars is how it is managed:

      https://www.lta.gov.sg/content/ltaweb/en/roads-and-motoring/owning-a-vehicle/costs-of-owning-a-vehicle/tax-structure-for-cars.html

      I assume the next step will be to just ban car dealerships and imports, because the taxation hasn't stopped people buying cars, even if the taxes quadruple the price.

      A more progressive government would look how desperate people are to buy cars and just figure out how to invest that money into building UP. Like roads on top of roads. If people want cars this badly, and you can even force them to buy electric cars so the pollution factor is nil, then just let them have them and use the taxes to solve the problem economically.

      But I'm crazy like that because I don't have a hate-on against cars because they're cars. I just don't like pollution, and with electric cars, that problem is solved (assuming you get your power from a clean source).

    3. Re:Confused.. by _merlin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There are a limited number of private vehicle registrations available. When a registration becomes available (due to someone's registration lapsing, or the number of registrations being increased), they first look at needs-based assignment (e.g. if someone with a disabled family member has made and application), and if it isn't allocated that way they auction it.

      Most of the people buying vehicle registrations at auction for ridiculous prices really don't need a car, they just want it as a status symbol. Raising the price just makes it more exclusive. The city's really to small to handle any more private vehicles, it makes sense to stop increasing the number of vehicle registrations available.

      Building roads on top of roads isn't a solution - how do you get people on and off these stacked roads at their destinations? How does it do to the properties alongside the stacked roads? Singapore is already at a point where the vast majority of people don't need a car at all.

    4. Re:Confused.. by houghi · · Score: 4, Funny

      I did that once and the result was "Mostly harmless".

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    5. Re:Confused.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      or you could just edit the wikipedia article ...

      Good luck with that.

      Try editing Wikipedia and let us know how it works out for you.

      Odds are you'll be reverted in minutes, especially if your writing conflicts with the views of some basement-dwelling, Wikipedia-page-guarding troll that claims "ownership" of that page.

    6. Re:Confused.. by squiggleslash · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Like roads on top of roads.

      Your solution is to block out the sun?

      The problem is supporting cars without destroying the cities. The experience in the US is that it's just not possible, you can do one or the other. Try to shoehorn cars into cities and replan them around cars, and you end up destroying the cities by removing walkability, and significantly reducing the attractiveness of city living. Your "Roads on top of roads" solution has been part implemented by various cities, but it has limits, not least what I just said - you'd be literally blocking out the sun at street level, creating a miserable place to live.

      The solution is to accept that cities aren't a car friendly place, and cars aren't city friendly, and to plan accordingly. Build parking lots on the edges of cities and create good, quality, transit for intracity transportation.

      I don't have a hate-on against cars because they're cars

      It's easier for car nuts to demonize people who like cities as having "hate ons" than address the very real practical issues related to creating "car friendly cities." The fact is, they just don't work. The solution isn't the American "Well ban cities then and force everyone to drive!" BS, it's to create a multitude of spaces and let people decide for themselves what tradeoffs they want. Want to live in a city? Give up the car. Want a car? Live in the suburbs.

      Whenever I suggest giving people choices might be an option, I inevitably get a "UR FORCING ME TO WALK!" rant, which in all honesty, is similar to your own. But the solution isn't to transcend rationality. Yeah, suburbs in SG are out of the question, so in this one instance, cars are just not going to cut it. Maybe the markets can come up with another way to create personal vehicles that'd be compatible with Singapore's unique situation. But for now, no, I don't think anyone's going to say that your right to drive outranks the right of everyone to see sunlight.

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    7. Re:Confused.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Try editing Wikipedia and let us know how it works out for you.

      I just did today. Worked a charm. You need a course?

    8. Re:Confused.. by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      quote from Wikipedia "Singapore is a unitary multiparty parliamentary republic, with a Westminster system of unicameral parliamentary government." I'm sure there is someone out there with a higher intelligence that might be able to explain that.

      In short, they are a totalitarian gov't, or what Americans often colloquially call "commies".

      Singapore more or less pioneered the concept of what some call "capitalistic communism", and China shortly followed. Basically the centralized government allows a degree of capitalism, but keeps a close watch on it and meddles with companies from time to time as it sees fit.

      The country has elections, but they are mostly for show: the candidates are pre-selected by the central party and are just figure-heads with no real power. Plus, there's no free-press nor free-speech. It's a fake democracy. (Some argue USA is drifting that way also as a plutocracy.)

    9. Re:Confused.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was confused a bit on how this was managed. I decided to pull up the Wikipedia article on Singapore. Here is the exact quote from Wikipedia

      "Singapore is a unitary multiparty parliamentary republic, with a Westminster system of unicameral parliamentary government."

      I'm sure there is someone out there with a higher intelligence that might be able to explain that. I need a aspirin for my headache after reading that twice.

      'unitary multiparty parliamentary republic'
      'Elected' Dictatorship. Couched as a democracy. But, not really.

      Unitary means single house. Multiparty means a choice between multiple evils. Chinese, Malay, maybe an Indian party and the like. Sub-groups and groups of groups and so on. It's a cluster-23423523. Anyways, democracy is always difficult. We can't have complete democracy. Complete democracy is the same as anarchy. For example, people over the years tend to balance out and extreme views get moderated and moderate views grow extreme. A waxing and warning if you will. That's the lure of democracy and why it works. Until the system fails. Plato states that democracy gives way to autocracy.

      Unicameral parliamentary government means. One house. E.g., the house of representatives only, as opposed to having both the house of representatives and the Senate. Unicameral.

      Westminster system is a nickname for the U.K. parliamentary system. Where members vote on legislative changes and debate and discuss them. Similar to our government in a lot of respects.

    10. Re:Confused.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The country has elections, but they are mostly for show: the candidates are pre-selected by the central party and are just figure-heads with no real power.

      Well, if you really look at who are in power, you will see that only one family is holding all critical positions in their government. It is all good as long as the family doesn't do any evil things too much. And as far as it goes, it is that way for now...

    11. Re:Confused.. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Massive taxation on cars is how it is managed:

      Errr no. Massive taxation disincentives it but it's not "how it's managed". They simply refuse registration beyond a certain number. That's how it is managed.

      I assume the next step will be to just ban car dealerships and imports, because the taxation hasn't stopped people buying cars, even if the taxes quadruple the price.

      No need. People will still need to replace existing cars, there isn't a ban on cars, just a ban on increase. The taxation will remain high or maybe even go higher to further incentivise people not to replace their old car and thus hand back the registration.

      A more progressive government would look how desperate people are to buy cars and just figure out how to invest that money into building UP.

      No. A progressive government realises that if your entire country is less than 25km wide there's no reason for anyone to own a car at all and would draft up a plan to slowly abolish them completely in favour of a well built public transport network.

      even force them to buy electric cars so the pollution factor is nil

      Pollution is generally not the concern in a country where it is impossible to expand road structure without destroying the city. More cars are.

    12. Re:Confused.. by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Whenever I suggest giving people choices might be an option, I inevitably get a "UR FORCING ME TO WALK!" rant, which in all honesty, is similar to your own.

      People in general don't understand systems that are outside their own personal experience. I frequently talk to American colleagues and they are all dumbfounded when I tell them that I only ever drive to work, and only because it's 40km. I have never driven my car into my own city, I rarely do the shopping with it even when its belting down rain, and short of driving to another country I also don't take it anywhere, and even I often take a train.

      Cities are designed in ways that suit certain modes of transport. My local supermarket is 600m away. The next one (much larger one) is 1.1km in the other direction. I typically go to the much larger one and have the choice of walking (1.3km ~13min) / cycling (1.3km ~5min) or driving (4km ~10min). To get in the city centre I could drive which takes about 35min, or I could cycle which takes about 20min.

      This doesn't make sense to most Americans as American cities are designed primarily with the car in mind. Public transport, bike ways, and general city planning to prevent people having to make long trips for basic needs comes a distant second to big roads, highways, and plenty of available parking in every direction.

    13. Re:Confused.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As an American, I am surprised you are willing to drive 40 km to work.

    14. Re:Confused.. by PrimaryConsult · · Score: 1

      Your solution is to block out the sun?

      Then we will drive in the shade!

      In all seriousness, I've visited Singapore several times -- a car would be a complete and total pain. As far as an edge of city park and ride, the "suburbs" are in a different country. Thus the most useful would be ones at the closest MRT lines to Malaysia (where people actually do need cars). To that end the next subway line (Thompson East Coast line - brown line on the map) will be built right to the checkpoint.

      The closest thing to suburban-ish areas of Singapore are ones with automated peoplemover-type systems to circulate everyone around large apartment blocks (the grey lines on the MRT map).

    15. Re:Confused.. by fisted · · Score: 1

      Doing that now and then on the German Wikipedia, where your changes don't even appear to the public until looked at and approved by some Wikipedia neckb^H^H^H^Hazi^H^H^Hinjas.

      It could be that your edits suck.

    16. Re:Confused.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Electric cars still pollute, only a bit less. Tyre and road surface wear are the dominant sources of pollution even in a car with an internal combustion engine.

    17. Re:Confused.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are posting in the wrong article. You want the one about skyscrapers and cities like NYC and probably the shithole you're posting from at this moment. Apparently buildings aren't meant for cities and cities aren't meant for buildings, hypocrite. That is why you guys get accused of having "hate-ons" about cars.

    18. Re:Confused.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those would be the driverless, elevated light rail systems called LRT
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_Rail_Transit_(Singapore)

    19. Re:Confused.. by lokedhs · · Score: 1
      They have that in a few places in Singapore and it's not a very nice view: https://www.google.com.sg/maps...

      I think there is a reason why they're not doing more of it.

    20. Re:Confused.. by lokedhs · · Score: 1

      In Singapore, most of electric power comes from fossil fuel plants, so electric cars are much less environmentally friendly compared to places which use more renewables or nuclear.

    21. Re:Confused.. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I was confused a bit on how this was managed. I decided to pull up the Wikipedia article on Singapore. Here is the exact quote from Wikipedia "Singapore is a unitary multiparty parliamentary republic, with a Westminster system of unicameral parliamentary government." I'm sure there is someone out there with a higher intelligence that might be able to explain that. I need a aspirin for my headache after reading that twice.

      Translation: it's not described exactly the same as the US system, but I can't be arsed to spend thirty seconds on Google looking up a couple of unfamiliar words.

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  4. NYC Taxicab Medallions Come to Mind by OYAHHH · · Score: 1

    And only the rich will be able to afford a car in Singapore.

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    1. Re:NYC Taxicab Medallions Come to Mind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The medallion system's single biggest flaw is that it is a perpetual resalable license. Singapore doesn't license cars like that so I don't know why you'd draw the comparison. Sometimes having more money means being able to afford things people with less money can't, if it didn't there would be no point in money.

    2. Re:NYC Taxicab Medallions Come to Mind by judoguy · · Score: 1

      Pretty much the case already. They control car numbers by having a very expensive fee. They adjust it up or down to meter the number of cars in Singapore.

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  5. Glorious! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Singapore wasn't going to be underwater in 100 years I would totally move there. Hopefully NYC can do something like this with Manhattan. Cars were a historical wrong turn.

  6. Dont think commoners would even notice it by Daneel+Olivaw+R.+ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Lived that for four years, exceptional public transport (dare I say best in the world)... also the taxi fares are dirty cheap.

    1. Re:Dont think commoners would even notice it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? I lived there for six years and the public transportation was an absolute nightmare: horribly overcrowded and unreliable with people doing all kinds of weird antisocial things like flicking boogers onto each other - and of course coughing and sneezing right into each others faces where people were packed in too tight to move away. These days, I have an hour commute (each way) in Los Angeles rush hour traffic and it is absolute heaven compared to riding Singapore public transportation.

  7. Cars becoming more precious by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    So the punishment for vandalizing cars would by upped from six strokes of cane, for guilty pleas, to 12. For non guilty pleas it will go up from 12 strokes to 24. It also provides for a process to show respect for foreign heads of state by reducing the number of strokes by 33%.

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  8. Better suggestion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stop adding homes. No homes, no people. No people, no cars.

    If anyone honestly thinks that increasing human density (regardless of whether they have cars or not) is sustainable they are kidding themselves.

    Long-term you are going to have to decentralize work places (so everyone doesn't have to keep on commuting downtown). Let people work from home and/or limit the number of companies per area.

  9. SimCity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Being mayor of Singapore is apparently the dream job I never knew existed...

  10. You don't really need them by mccalli · · Score: 2

    People who have been there or who live there know this - the private car ownership thing is just not the same. It's a reasonably small city, and has excellent public transport or taxis. I've been several times, I've never been in a private car there.

    Don't compare this to the UK or US - it's a completely different situation, and it would seem to make sense to me.

    1. Re:You don't really need them by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      To put this into perspective, 2 people could live in the middle and work at distant opposite sides of the country and still quite comfortably cycle to work within the hour. Or a more likely scenario: People can just walk to work. The country is tiny.

    2. Re:You don't really need them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Singapore is 50km (30 miles) across so that would be a 25k (15mile) bike ride twice a day. But the heat and humidity is the real problem. The average high is 31C (88F) and the average relative humidity is 85%.

      And, walking to work, well, the problem there is that, thanks to some insanely bad urban planning, most of the affordable housing is in the northern part of Singapore while most of the jobs are in the southern part of Singapore. So, unless you feel like walking 10 miles to work each way in 88F degree heat and 85% humidity then walking isn't really an option.

    3. Re:You don't really need them by judoguy · · Score: 1

      People who have been there or who live there know this - the private car ownership thing is just not the same. It's a reasonably small city, and has excellent public transport or taxis. I've been several times, I've never been in a private car there. .

      I have and my friends paid a small fortune for the privilege of having it.

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  11. Copy Paste by XSportSeeker · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You know, if you are going to copy paste the article anyways, better put the parts people will be asking questions about:
    "These changes are not expected to significantly affect the supply of permits since the quota is determined largely by the number of vehicle deregistrations, the regulator said. The limit on vehicle growth rate will be reviewed again in 2020."

  12. It's the future of urban transportation by blind+biker · · Score: 1

    Efficient and plentiful public transport, plenty of bicycle lanes, little to no private cars.

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  13. They already had negative growth rates by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 1

    Singapore has tightly controlled car volumes for decades in no small part by its utterly oppressive tax scheme. Cars have long been just a luxury for the upper class, and the overall number of vehicles on the island had already been falling across all vehicle categories anyway. This completely theoretical reduction of a non-existent growth rate from 0.25% to zero is on a population of less than a million vehicles (so less than 2.5k/year), and they're going to reevaluate the "reduction" in less than 3 years. I don't see how this changes much if anything in the real world.

  14. Singapore Freedom by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    Singapore is the kind of place where 'adding cars' would be worded in a way that indicates that it is the responsibility of 'authorities' to increase the number of cars on the road.

    Social harmony is very, very important in Singapore. I am surprised there isn't an approved list of vehicle colors. Red and Black cars are permitted, but Red can only be used for official vehicles, and only several very expensive models can be 'added' that are finished in the color black. Teal and 'mustard' colored cars will be the norm, because those are the colors deemed less jarring to the eye.

  15. As an american by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm jealous

  16. Re:My guess is... by taiwanjohn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Hardly anyone will notice, since they only have 12~14 cars per 100 people in Singapore (different sources give slightly different numbers) and they have a world-class public transit system which makes car ownership more of a hassle than it's worth.

    Here in Taipei it's similar, but less so... Overall car ownership in Taiwan is about twice that of Singapore, but that includes a ton of rural area, which Singapore lacks. In a big city with excellent public transit, there's really no need for a car. Hell, I even gave away my scooter a few years ago.

    I'd say the bulk of the traffic in Taipei is: a) local "fleet" vehicles like taxis, buses, delivery vans; b) commuters to and from the surrounding 'burbs; c) scooters, motorcycles, bicycles, etc.. Commuters in the 'burbs tend to have a designated parking space at their apartment block, and another designated space at their employer in the city. Commuters who live in the city are far less likely to have a designated parking spot at home*, so they may spend half an hour looking for one when they get home from work. Major PITA.

    OTOH, with public transit you can get all the way across town in under 45 minutes for $1~2 USD, or you can cut that time in half (depending on traffic) by taking a taxi for about $8~12 USD.

    I do enjoy driving -- growing up in Iowa, I drove all the time, from age 14 -- but living in a city like Taipei, I'm quite happy NOT owning a car, or any motor vehicle, for that matter.

    * Due to land availability, a higher percentage of residential housing in Taipei is "old construction" from the days when common folk didn't own cars. Newer construction (say, the last 30 years) tends to always include parking, but there's been more new construction in the open lands outside the city, and since the rent tends to be cheaper, a lot of people live there.

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  17. Sounds Fair by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 0

    Only old people use cars, grandpa.

    The smart way they do it is by limiting license plates, and instead of costly trials or lawsuits, they just crush your car if it's not licensed.

    On the spot.

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  18. I agree by supernova87a · · Score: 1

    Singapore - the best example of how sometimes you need an authority to decide in favor of group rights over individual rights. Too much freedom can be a curse.

    1. Re:I agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with this statement is that it's a slippery slope when both parties are aligned to make decisions that's not best for the group, but for the government itself.

    2. Re:I agree by judoguy · · Score: 1

      Singapore - the best example of how sometimes you need an authority to decide in favor of group rights over individual rights. Too much freedom can be a curse.

      And this is how it starts. Fascism in 4, 3, 2....

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    3. Re:I agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which will be started by your side. History has shown that those screaming fascism end up instituting it.

  19. Make room for hype-R-loops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make room for hype-R-loops ;)

  20. Re:My guess is... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

    Hardly anyone will notice, since they only have 12~14 cars per 100 people in Singapore

    People will notice, specifically because they are rare. This makes them powerful status symbols. This change will make car ownership even more exclusive. Singapore chicks will definitely notice if you drive a nice car (that likely cost $120k or more after taxes and import duties).

  21. Re:My guess is... by taiwanjohn · · Score: 2

    True. Indeed, I'd say a lot of car owners here in Taipei already see it largely as a status symbol, but I didn't get into that because my post was already getting long. However, I think there's a generational change underway.

    Thirty years ago, Taiwan was still riding the "Asian Tiger" economic high, and getting a car was a huge marker for success. But a lot has happened since then, such as the internet... but more importantly Taipei made some important investments in public transit and city planning. They now have one of the best subway systems in the world (also one of the most expensive), and with dedicated lanes and GPS tracking, the bus system has become even more convenient and reliable. For people who came of age in the last 10 or 15 years, I think the idea of car ownership has moved down a few rungs on the ladder of priorities.

    I could be wrong of course, but even in the West, with the advent of self-driving cars and ride-sharing apps, the rate of car ownership is already starting to decline.

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  22. Re:My guess is... by tepples · · Score: 1

    In a big city with excellent public transit, there's really no need for a car.

    What's "excellent public transit"? Is it better than once an hour, nothing at night, nothing at all on 58 days of the year, and nothing at all on Saturdays in outlying areas (source)?

  23. Literally Hitler by Neo-Rio-101 · · Score: 1

    Turns out that policies to limit population growth are pretty unpopular, and if you even suggest them you are "Literally Hitler", which is why it will never happen unless you are Communist China.

    Well it is pretty hard for a democratic society to legislate for people to die, and harder to legislate for one-child policies.
    Same deal with banning the sending of food aid to needy people - after all - once poor people have been allowed to live, they'll only breed more of themselves and create more of the conditions for entrenched poverty.
    The best method governments had for reducing population was to leave smoking laws in place, not force people to wear bicycle helmets and seatbelts etc, leave dangerous playground equipment intact, take away many operational health and safety regulations etc.

    We cotton-wool wrap ourselves so well these days.

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    1. Re:Literally Hitler by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The government needs population growth to continue and it needs young people because of the pyramid scheme that is our retirement system. This is true for a lot of the "west" because of our social welfare programs. Also people are living longer but still want to retire at the same age.

      Heck, I plan to retire from my current job when I reach 52. I'll pension on that job and switch industries to hopefully work another ten or so years to double pension by the time I reach 65.

      The other plan is to pension out at 52 and switch to working for myself full time. Either option has its benefits. I may go with option one for healthcare but who knows.

    2. Re:Literally Hitler by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      harder to legislate for one-child policies.

      China's "one-child policy" was basically a tax break that punished you with poverty for having more than one child. Everyone above median and below 0.1% in the US is living under a zero-child policy.

      Day care, bidding your way into a decent school district away from people who are violent and stupid, fees for various "fixers" coaches and therapists if you have any disputes with that school district, ordinary medical and dental, and college savings will alter your life compared to zero-child just as much as the Chinese tax incentive would alter your life if you refused to abort the second pregnancy. Of course, you can still have your one child against policy in the US and without paying, unlike China, because there is a new even stronger punishment: if you don't pay up, your child will grow up in the "other America" of the replacement population of refugees, illegal immigrants, and structurally unemployed. The price for avoiding downward mobility, except for the richest one in a thousand, is absurd. For example, college assistance is based on your parents' income, so poor children have much better opportunity than median children whose parents refuse to pay. This was not true of the price of the first child in China, which had what upward mobility you can get in China without bankrupting the parents.

      so, no, it's not difficult to enact a zero-child policy in a democracy. In fact, it's done, and it's working: Europe is "welcoming" immigrants to save their pension plans because even a much weaker version of the American zero-child policy is so extremely effective, and America which has gone much further has become an idiocracy where only people below median are breeding.