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Chelsea Manning Archivist Excludes Hacktivist Jailed By Carmen Ortiz From Aaron Swartz Day (huffingtonpost.com)
New submitter Danngggg writes: As you may recall from Slashdot last year, alleged Anonymous hacktivist Martin Gottesfeld has been imprisoned without bail since federal agents arrested him on board a Disney Cruise ship in February of 2016 to face hacking charges brought by controversial former U.S. attorney Carmen Ortiz. Though he's the only activist after Aaron Swartz to face a felony CFAA indictment from Ortiz, apparently Aaron Swartz Day organizer and Chelsea Manning archivist Lisa Rein don't want to include Gottesfeld in the festivities this year. So, he has taken to Huffington Post to argue that his story should be told this November 4th and, perhaps with a sense of irony, to publish some potentially scandalous Signal messages allegedly sent by Rein to his wife revealing what seems to be disdain for hacking in general and Anonymous in particular. Indeed, Rein seems to borrow from the movie Mean Girls in her contemptuous rejection of Mrs. Gottesfeld's appeals on behalf of her embattled husband. What does the Slashdot crowd have to say about whether Gottesfeld's story belongs at Aaron Swartz Day as well as Rein's alleged attitude towards his significant other?
"One might think that my voice would be welcomed at Aaron Swartz Day given all that the late internet/freedom of information activist and I share in common," writes Gottesfeld. "For starters, we were both indicted under the same controversial federal law, the CFAA, by the same Boston U.S. Attorney's Office and indeed under the tenure of the same notorious U.S. Attorney, Carmen Ortiz. Both of us have been persecuted for doing the moral thing; Aaron for trying to make taxpayer-funded research available to the general public and me for stopping the torture of an innocent child."
"One might think that my voice would be welcomed at Aaron Swartz Day given all that the late internet/freedom of information activist and I share in common," writes Gottesfeld. "For starters, we were both indicted under the same controversial federal law, the CFAA, by the same Boston U.S. Attorney's Office and indeed under the tenure of the same notorious U.S. Attorney, Carmen Ortiz. Both of us have been persecuted for doing the moral thing; Aaron for trying to make taxpayer-funded research available to the general public and me for stopping the torture of an innocent child."
He should get his own day. You aren’t entitled to other people’s day.
The summary is awful. It drops all of these vague names, without explaining who any of these people are, what they've done, and why they're relevant. I'm not going to google all of these names. The summary should tell us who they are.
I got bored reading the summary.
I've read the summary several times, and I have no idea what it's about. It's very muddled and all over the place.
The media hates women so they lie and call him a girl.
Maybe because Gottesfield is trying to latch on to somebody else's publicity.
^ fag spotted
This summary needs some serious rework to follow all the subject changes and pronoun use. Did the writer attend primary school?
Let's be frank. Carmen Ortiz is evil. I mean, like, Uzbek Evil.
She is a frightening Clintonista who should have no contact with any government agencies.
The Democratic Party will re-emerge . . . after they purge the Clintonistas who are still ruling.
It will be a pleasant experience to see the Democrats return to being a party for the common people, and rethink their base values.
Bernie Sanders gave them a kick, but it is up to them to follow through.
Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
Bradley Manning was a hero, exposing the war crimes of the war criminals in Washington DC.
So yes, it matters what Chelsea thinks.
And your opinion is totally irrelevant.
"Trump!!", the new Godwin.
...which automatically means "Nothing here but whining." How the hell did this make it onto the front page?
Does anyone else need a roadmap to figure out what's going on?
Degenerates everywhere.
A title with 5 different people???
#1 Chelsea Manning
#2 [Unnamed] Archivist
#3 [Unnamed] Hacktivist
#4 Carmen Ortiz
#5 Aaron Swartz
And the primary actor in this story isn't named, its person #2!!
So the headline should read: "Lisa Rein does not include Martin Gottesfeld for a remembrance day she's organizing".
And so what? So why doesn't he organize his own remembrance day? Instead of trying to attach his name to Rein's Aaron day?? At least that way the Slashdot headline would be simpler! Nothing stopping him doing his own Aaron remembrance day, putting his own speeches out on Twitter or whatever.
It would be great if Internet forums were segmented by age so that posts by 10 year olds who still think calling people fags is an insult were invisible to adults.
Cry moar, fag. Enjoy burning in hell.
The headline is utter word salad.
I guess Slashdot has finally gone with the AI story generation for real.
People who want to suck his tranny cock.
Says the fag pervert.
DEATH PENALTY! Immediately. Swift action is required by out Justice Department.
TRUMP powa!
Who is being funny? Fags are disgusting, sin-filled degenerates. There’s nothing funny about that.
>p>Then don't smoke them.
I guess Ortiz just didn't care about his Jewish privilege.
"Russia organized 2 sides of a Texas protest and encouraged 'both sides to battle in the streets"
http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-trolls-senate-intelligence-committee-hearing-2017-11
"Russian actors organized both anti-Islam and pro-Islam protests in the same location at the same time on May 21, 2016, using separate Facebook pages operated from a so-called troll farm in St. Petersburg, the Senate Intelligence Committee disclosed on Wednesday."
"A Facebook page named Heart of Texas, whose link to Russia was first reported by Business Insider, organized a rally at noon on May 21 at the Islamic Da'wah Center in Houston to "Stop Islamization of Texas." The account paid to promote the event, which was viewed by about 12,000 people, said the committee's chairman, Sen. Richard Burr. Another Russia-linked account, United Muslims of America, organized a counterprotest — a "Save Islamic Knowledge" rally."
It's always obvious how you trolls troll your own troll comments.
No, Manning wasn't a hero. He was a guy who said he was unhappy at his chosen career, and was in drama-queen mode. In order to scratch that drama itch, he casually spread around untold thousands of classified documents without any critical thought or any ethical attempt to point out any sort of incorrect behavior. He was simply dumping sensitive information for the sake of personal attention, and he didn't care or even know what he was dishing out. Moron, traitor, liar, etc ... not hero, at all.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
Nothing here says anything about what this guy actually did. The law may be bad, the prosecutor may be bad, but neither of those things mean that this guy is good.
I guess I can't blame the guy for trying to drum up some support, he's got nothing better to do in prison, but Attacking this Rein woman is pretty inexcusable. Is hacking her email supposed to make us sympathetic? Is that an example of the sort of thing that put him in prison in the first place?
He did not expose any war crimes. He just showed the ignorant masses that people get killed in war. War is legalized murder and wide scale property destruction. The only thing that matters to the soldiers is killing their enemies before they kill you by any means necessary so you can go home. Soldiers don't start wars they are just the ones tasked to carry out the orders of those who actually start the war. The only "war crime" I can think of is the US politicians making the military fight with one hand tied behind their backs. The US has the most expensive and powerful military on the planet and the feckless politicians is it's biggest enemy. If you want to win a war you need to keep destroying the enemy until they surrender unconditionally. Just look at what happened to Japan and Germany.
Opinions differ. If you believe you hold the corner on truth and most others would agree with your complete condemnation; you have given up on critical thinking.
I don't understand why people don't talk about what Bradley Manning did for this country, even if they talk about all these other no names.
Crime 1:
The US politicians had sent their army to Iraq based on a pack of lies, and they knew it.
Crime 2:
Shooting journalists at war time.
Crime 3:
Shooting at people helping the wounded.
Patriotic & Heroic:
Exposing crimes 2 & 3.
"Trump!!", the new Godwin.
His sexual orientation problem and his problem with the military (based on political lies) misbehaving are two separate, independent things.
"Trump!!", the new Godwin.
He did not expose any war crimes.
False. Any other lies you want debunked?
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
It is really time for two new parties to emerge. With a blacklist of personnel who were involved in either the Republican or Democratic parties who will never server as members of the new parties.
Doing so is the only way we can purge some of the current rot from the American government, although I have such a low opinon of The People at this time, that I am pretty sure it would never happen.
...but the summary is incomprehensible.
Wikileaks exposed the war crimes. Chelsea (then Bradley) Manning just leaked a load of information with no idea what was included.
I don't care what she thinks. Doing the right thing doesn't count for much if you do it my accident.
I doesn't even know who her are.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
When a headline is just a long sentence containing lots of names then it's confusing to capitalise every word. Look at how online newspapers do it better like the Guardian.
Of all the possible references you could have chosen, you picked Huffingon Paint?
Apparently, there is a sick girl (Justina Pelletier, J). She got differnet diagnoyses from Tufts University School of Medicine (T), and Boston Children's Hospital (B).
Parents wanted to have her treated according to diagnosis from T, but Massachusetts Department of Children and Families requested removing her from her parents custody and have her treated according to diagnosis from B. The case went to court, first ruling agreed with the request, second ruling a year later didn't. So J got separated from her parentes and trated according to diagnosis from B for a year, then was with her parents again (and, I assume treated according to diagnosis from T).
A lot of people apparently had strong opinions on this matter, including Martin Gottesfeld.
Martin Gottesfeld did a DDOS attack on the website of B during an online donation drive. He was initally prosecuted for it by Carmen Ortiz' office, which also prosecuted Aaron Swartz. Carmen Ortiz stepped down from office in January 2017, the Martin Gottesfeld case will probably go on trial in January 2018.
Some more details, and lots and lots of opinions can be found on the web.
Philipp
Let's hope he becomes a former submitter really quickly.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
No, wrong.
His mental illness is at the root of both.
Are you sure Rein is not excluding Gottesfeld because he is not Jewish, or even honorary Jew by participating in the current identity politics fad?
One of the founders of Huffington Post was a guy called Breitbart. It started out trying to be a balanced news site. When that idea exploded the people involved split apart and the Breitbart site was started. Now there are two sites, equally polarized in 'the two directions' (left and right) that most people recognize.
Crime 1:
The US politicians had sent their army to Iraq based on a pack of lies, and they knew it. .
Crime 1A. You think the reason for invading Iraq mattered. It didn't. We didn't need any more of a reason than what Saddam Hussein provided.
This is because we were still "at war" with Iraq from the previous round of hostilities. That round ended with a 'cease fire' agreement, not a peace treaty saying the war was over. Part of that cease fire agreement was that Saddam wouldn't be an asshole. He was an asshole, many times over. So, in accordance with the cease fire agreement that Saddam violated, we went back into Iraq and removed him from power.
No crime was committed by our invasion, as it was specifically spelled out in the cease fire that it would happen is Saddam did certain things, which he did.
If you think I voted for Trump because of this post, you're wrong. I voted for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party. Again.
I will use the first names of the two people who are being compared; not that I'm familiar or follow them at all.
Aaron was prosecuted for siphoning material available in a library system to be available. He thought that copyrights laws were dubious and did his thing. Copyright infringement. One can question the morality and motivation; in terms of impact and actions, I would classify this as a medium-low event.
Marty felt aggrieved by the treatment of a young girl in the medical system. A system that is flawed for sure and a terrible thing for her and her family to experience. Here's what he did (from his propaganda site): "A few days later, Marty knocked Boston Children's Hospital off the Internet during its largest annual online fundraiser, hurting no one." . Bullshit. How do you know he didn't hurt anyone? I would classify this as very high. Reason: this was a targeted and malicious act to impose some vigilante action. In this and day, any organization/corporation relies on Internet connectivity to conduct its business. In case of a hospital you can affect messaging, any data integration (prescriptions, referrals/appointments, etc), and in this case in particular losses due to missing donations.
I would have a hard time to put a dollar amount for Aaron's action, but could easily do so with a few questions in case of Marty.
I would stand behind what Aaron did (civil disobedience), but Marty's actions were clearly criminal to cause damage.
The conference organizers are right in this to exclude Marty. Their supporter's rationale is bullshit. I would question the participation of a lot of folks in that conference (including Chelsea Manning). This is part of the reason that I'm very selective which conferences I participate in; if >50% of the attendees reflect my viewpoints then I will attend, otherwise I don't care for the aggravation. I will always attend one or two speeches of people I disagree, but beyond that I just don't have the time and patience to let everyone vent and get their point across. Your right to speak does not negate my right to not listen if I'm not inclined to do so.
I suspect the writer of this submission is transphobic, swapping gender pronouns for everyone in an article attached to Manning.
If you believe in sin, then you know that all humans are sin-filled degenerates. Especially yourself, for calling out the sins of someone else when you are so riddled with it. You have a rotting and fetid black soul with no redeeming qualities, and while you wallow there in your own festering putrescence, you have the unmitigated gall to point to someone else and say "Hey, you smell bad."
Do you think your God will deal lightly with you for making a mockery of Him? He is powerful, so much so that He removed the penalties of sin for all mankind. And here you are, bringing it up, that thing that only God can remove, making an issue of it when God has told you that ALL sin is against God, not against man.
You do realize that when you judge others for what you consider sins you are, in essence, telling God that you are more important than He is. Furthermore, you are, for lack of a better analogy, shitting in Jesus's mouth while He was on the cross. He worked really hard to remove the penalty for sin, and here you are, pointing our that he didn't do a good enough job, because sin is still an issue with you, even though Jesus has said it is no longer one with Him.
If you are going to buy into the whole idea of sin, you should really consider what that means in the context of where the concept actually came from. If you don't, you end up looking like a silly self-righteous fool with no regard for the God you profess to believe in; laughable on one level, and detestable on many others.
When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
The SJW movement is run by mentally ill people- of this there is no doubt. And most of these are ego driven psychos who will knife another snowflake in the back for 'profit' at the drop of a hat.
A movement of nutcases is always the catspaw of a far more sinister force- the same force in this case that has now decided to give Trump a second term. The REAL news is all relentless progress toward the long promised (see PNAC and 911) was on Iran.
The very public disintegration of Operation Snowflake is meant to move public opinion back to a traditional right of centre position. Asset Obama worked the 'left', now asset Trump works the other side. And Slashdot will continue to demonise Russia and Iran even as it covers the collapse of the 'beloved' SJW causes.
Wikileaks exposed the war crimes. Chelsea (then Bradley) Manning just leaked a load of information with no idea what was included.
I don't care what she thinks. Doing the right thing doesn't count for much if you do it my accident.
Manning gave wikileaks actual countable numbers of civilian casualties that had never been counted, that exceeded 10,000 (deaths) (40-50k? IIRC). Those 40-50 thousand dead people's relatives were probably quite relatively pleased with the light shed on the situation by Manning.
Those relatives are probably dead already. And they probably didn't know what wikileaks is, nor would have cared if you told them.
AWW YEA- right. No. You can't just invade another country because you feel like it. Sorry. But even if it were justified we shouldn't be involved in other countries affairs. We had nobusiness murdering over a million civilians because of rumour. We didn't lose enough people on 9/11 (ie it was a mere 3000 or so) to justify reacting let alone invading another country. And it was 9/11 FUD combined with weapons of mass destruction that was used to justify it. If we had reason to go to war we should have finished the war the last time around. The only justifiable reason to go to war is because another party has invaded or otherwise interfered in trade to a significant degree in an on-going manor. Ie blockading your port, attacking your ships, invading, dropping bombs, etc. 9/11 wasn't any of those things. It was "terrorism". Not a real war.
LGBT2S egomaniacs FTW!
I give this troll 10/10.
Information wants to be free.
In the nineteenhundreds the English had taken Kuwait from the Iraqis by illegal force.
Saddam just took it back and we just repeated the crime of the English.
We are nothing more than a bunch of war-loving criminals.
We will use just about every excuse possible to have our military burn the weapons produced by the military industrial complex and paid by the people, no matter what the casualties are, as long as they are not American, except if we can blame someone else. Then even that doesn't matter.
We are despicable criminals to the bone.
"Trump!!", the new Godwin.
Manning gave wikileaks a vast chunk of information with no possible way of knowing the content. Wikileaks did the actual work.
Welcome to the human race, pal.
Everything you lament there has been done by every group of people since time began. The only difference is the Europeans globalized it, whereas the armies of Alexander, Rome, the Mongol Horde stayed mainly in EuroAsia, and the smaller warlords were confined to attacking their neighbors.
I wish the US acted differently. But I don't see the point in condemning the US for acting like everyone else.
If you think I voted for Trump because of this post, you're wrong. I voted for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party. Again.
Yes, I see, everybody is doing it so it is ok.
There is a little bit of a difference in scale in which the US is doing it and, let's say, China is doing it in Myanmar or so.
"Trump!!", the new Godwin.
If you want to win a war you need to keep destroying the enemy until they surrender unconditionally. Just look at what happened to Japan and Germany.
You're not very well versed in either History of War or Theory of War, are you? You're taking two examples of 3rd generation warfare and uncritically thinking their example applies to 4th generation warfare, without even knowing there's a difference.
Here's a suggestion then: go read some Carl von Clausewitz and, for a more recent take, some William Lind, and come back once you understand war on the strategic rather than merely tactical level, okay?
Conservatism: (n.) love of the existing evils. Liberalism: (n.) desire to substitute new evils for the existing ones.
I didn't say it was OK, I said that "I wish the US acted differently." What I am also saying is that you are criticizing one country for something that many countries have done and still do. Why do you give other countries a pass? Why do you only condemn a certain country of group of countries?
If you think I voted for Trump because of this post, you're wrong. I voted for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party. Again.
I just mentioned the scale of the violations by the US, didn't I?
"Trump!!", the new Godwin.