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China Spreads Propaganda to U.S. on Facebook, a Platform it Bans at Home (nytimes.com)

Paul Mozur, reporting for the New York Times: China does not allow its people to gain access to Facebook, a powerful tool for disseminating information and influencing opinion. As if to demonstrate the platform's effectiveness, outside its borders China uses it to spread state-produced propaganda around the world, including the United States (Editor's note: the link could be paywalled; alternative source). So much do China's government and companies value Facebook that the country is Facebook's biggest advertising market in Asia, even as it is the only major country in the region that blocks the social network. A look at the Facebook pages of China Central Television, the leading state-owned broadcast network better known as CCTV, and Xinhua, China's official news agency, reveals hundreds of English-language posts intended for an English-speaking audience. Each quarter China's government, through its state media agencies, spends hundreds of thousands of dollars to buy Facebook ads, according to a person with knowledge of those deals, who was unauthorized to talk publicly about the company's revenue streams. China's propaganda efforts are in the spotlight with President Trump visiting the country and American lawmakers investigating foreign powers's use of technology to sway voters in the United States.

103 comments

  1. Shocked! by sycodon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Come on people. That foreign adversaries would try to further their agendas using social networks is about a surprising as gambling in a Casablanca.

    I bet even "friendly" nations are doing this to some extent too.

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    1. Re:Shocked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet even "friendly" nations are doing this to some extent too.

      Social networks simply works too well for spreading anything. The USA uses on its citizens and it works! Why should any government (or anyone) refrain from using it?

      Its the efficient capitalist (oh the irony) thing to do!

    2. Re:Shocked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Also, is it any wonder that China blocks Facebook? This is why! China doesn't want to deal with foreign interference any more than anyone else does. So they block the channels that interference uses to propagate itself.

    3. Re:Shocked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Remember, FEC versus Citizens United effectively allowed bribery, because money is equivalent to free speech. It is no wonder why countries are legally paying for ads to change voter turnouts.

      To boot, FB is doing nothing illegal. They could be showing Daesh videos of people being barbecued and eaten alive, but there is nothing that can be done, as Daesh's money counts as free speech.

    4. Re:Shocked! by anegg · · Score: 4, Informative

      I would be *amazed* if the USA is not trying to further the US agenda (whatever that is) using social networks targeted at/in other countries. Is there much difference between Voice of America and such a practice?

    5. Re:Shocked! by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I would rather have foreign government propaganda than have American government censorship.

      Let's not forget that the major influence of the Russians on the American presidential election was their leaking of Hillary's collusion with the DNC ... which was the truth.

      Sure, Hillary might have won if the DNC collusion had remained secret ... but she also might have won if she had been more ethical and there had been no dirt to leak.

    6. Re:Shocked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The real surprise to all of this is that OUR politicians were the last ones to figure this out. Apparently it is money well spent, as compared to the billion dollars each one sinks for a presidential campaign for who knows what.

    7. Re:Shocked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      You obviously are not aware of how Communist government works. First of all, it is a dictatorship. They call it that way themselves: "dictatorship of proletariat". No other party is allowed to exist. They rely on mind control for their existence (look at what happened at Russia after Gorbachev relaxed the regime). Censorship is the moving force in the country. Dissidents are being executed by a firing squad.

    8. Re:Shocked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That perfectly explains why the FBI indicted Trump's campaign manager!

    9. Re:Shocked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What is weird is that the USA population is buying into it. Russia is united. China is united. Mexico is united. The United States is completely divided along lines of left and right, black and white. When you want to conquer a country set its population against itself. The Europeans did this very effectively in the Americas, and used old tribal animosities to keep the natives fighting among themselves and not joining forces against the 'White Eyes'. Yet the population of the USA has completely missed the message and is only learning that white people are evil, and missing the message of maintaining a strong cohesive culture and language to fight off foreign adversaries.

      Wars are not fought with soldiers, they are fought and won with economies, and every time you buy a Chinese made toothbrush you are selling your children's children into oriental slavery.

    10. Re:Shocked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shanghai Faggot you are just too dumb to be a real American anymore. Move to Trumpistan.

    11. Re:Shocked! by gnick · · Score: 1

      They could be showing Daesh videos of people being barbecued and eaten alive...

      The trick to eating somebody alive is to barbecue them very lightly.

      --
      He's getting rather old, but he's a good mouse.
    12. Re:Shocked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      as gambling in a Casablanca.

      Is there a nice, Chinese owned casino in Casablanca, with reasonable prices and no-limit games near great hotels? As consumers of tourism, we would surely like to know. What else besides selling products and services would make any sense for a foreign audience with a completely different view of the world, values, beliefs, meaning of words and concepts?

    13. Re:Shocked! by Train0987 · · Score: 1

      The FBI doesn't indict, imbecile.

    14. Re:Shocked! by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      You obviously are not aware of how Communist government works. First of all, it is a dictatorship. They call it that way themselves: "dictatorship of proletariat". No other party is allowed to exist. They rely on mind control for their existence (look at what happened at Russia after Gorbachev relaxed the regime).

      The smart communist/dictatorial governments actually allow opposition parties to exist, they just severely neuter them. This preserves the appearance of democracy and participation and allows for an (exceptionally easy to monitor and control) outlet for dissent. When you combine requiring government approval for candidates on the ballots with the classic "the ballots don't make the votes, the counters do"(one of the best lines in Gangs of New York), control by the ruling party is still completely safe.

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    15. Re:Shocked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are already getting the foreign government propaganda in the US... you know, the guy who pops a picture showing a black guy breaking to a house on a farming list, just to get comments, someone talking about the US being Zionist in a discussion that has nothing to do with Israel, someone saying how a shooter was part of Antifa, another shooter was a NRA member... or just how the US sucks in general. The goal is to demoralize, separate, and divide the American people, which foreign psy-ops departments are doing damn well.

      If a true war started, between the psyops guys who will make it that the US will lose to the army at Grenada or the Pitcairn islands, coupled with a "press" that looks at any mistake the Americans make, while praising the other guys. In previous decades, these people would be jailed promptly. Now, it is considered acceptable. While people whine about the US, it hides the fact that China is redoing their armies and having more border disputes with neighbors. It will only be a matter of time before China unpins the yuan from the US dollar, then does something like overrunning Taiwan or attacking Japan, just to settle old scores.

    16. Re:Shocked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Split hairs Trump traitor on your way to the gallows. The indictments are coming faster every day now. Hide your head in your faggot ass all you like lol.

    17. Re: Shocked! by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      I would rather have foreign government propaganda than have American government censorship.

      That's insane; next you're going to say that you'd rather have liberty over security...

    18. Re:Shocked! by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      Yet another reason NOT to be on Facebook.

      Or other social media for that matter...get out there and meet, deal with and interact with REAL people in meatspace.

      FB isn't a news source....

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    19. Re:Shocked! by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      I would rather have foreign government propaganda than have American government censorship.

      Those two aren't even related. The most the American government has done is asked that people who purchase ads be identified. And that sound perfectly fair.

      But, beyond that, the US government does have a point of view. And the POV should be expressed.

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    20. Re:Shocked! by Nidi62 · · Score: 0

      Let's not forget that the major influence of the Russians on the American presidential election was their leaking of Hillary's collusion with the DNC ... which was the truth.

      The issue (which a lot on the right gloss over and ignore-note that I am not necessarily calling you right wing) was not that they leaked false information about a candidate (Clinton deserved the hit that came with that leak). The issue is the asymmetrical release of information. It's quite possible that the Russians had dirt on both and released the info to hurt Clinton and held on to Trump info to influence him. That is the concern. And while it may not have happened this time, it sets a dangerous precedent and, if left unchecked, could easily have a much greater influence in later elections.

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    21. Re:Shocked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On charges for things that happened years before the election and before he was Trumps campaign manager... Oooo scary.

    22. Re:Shocked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK trumpflake, they don't indict. You knew what was meant and your best retort was to nitpick. Congrats. Back to your brietbart safe space.

    23. Re:Shocked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well it's called "Voice of America" for starters...

      Pretty obvious what their intentions are.

    24. Re:Shocked! by gnick · · Score: 2

      FB isn't a news source...

      I disagree. FB shouldn't be a news source. FB isn't a reliable news source. But, it's as close as many people get to following the news. It is their news source. It's just not a good one.

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    25. Re:Shocked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We and you are all here in the Slashdot, aren't we? And doing the good job at promoting Trump to the international audience (that's me!) , for the betterment of things and the repeated ensurement of his election victory. What is the effect of the messages? That's a differenment question.

    26. Re:Shocked! by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      That is a silly argument. Should we have censored Watergate reporting because it only hurt one side? Should Woodward and Bernstein have been required to wait until they had some counterbalancing dirt on the Democrats?

      The Constitution says "no law" abridging free speech. It doesn't make an exception for "unbalanced" speech, nor does it make an exception for censorship of foreigners.

    27. Re:Shocked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Citizens United said nothing about bribery, you idiot liar. The only ruling it made was that spending money as a group to promote a viewpoint - such as making a movie or buying an ad spot - does not remove the Free Speech rights of those individuals that make up the group. That's why the ACLU supports Citizens United - because it allows the little people, the people without huge amounts of money - to also participate in political debate.

      Your ignorant blather is an insult to anyone with two brain cells to rub together. Please, never post again.

    28. Re:Shocked! by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The issue (which a lot on the right gloss over and ignore-note that I am not necessarily calling you right wing)

      I did not vote for Trump, and I oppose pretty much everything he stands for. I am not defending Trump at all, I am defending the Constitution and the principle of freedom of expression. It is sad that so many people feel that is "right wing".

    29. Re:Shocked! by anegg · · Score: 2

      Upon reflection, one difference between Voice of America and the use of social media is obvious. A radio station like Voice of America is operated by a known entity, and the entity's bias can be judged along with the content of the messages. Social media postings may originate from unknown entities, making the entity's bias opaque and difficult to judge along with the message content.

      I doubt, however, that there is a blanket refusal by the USA (or other state actors) to use social media targeted at foreign populations for propaganda purposes just because of the difficulty of determining the originating entity and that entity's bias.

    30. Re:Shocked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NRA guys says:
      The US government uses automatic weapons, a platform that it bans from the citizens at home.

    31. Re: Shocked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For most people, news about celebrities is the only news that really matters. So sadly, I agree with you

    32. Re: Shocked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gay bashing? Is that really who you are? Pathetic

    33. Re:Shocked! by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      FB is not a news source.
      And I don't know anyone who is using it for news.
      But well, I live in Europe. Perhaps for Europeans FB looks different than for Americans?

      (Hint: in case you don't get it, FB does not show anything that remotely resembles 'news' to me )

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    34. Re:Shocked! by fafalone · · Score: 2

      What asymmetry of dirt... Trump's corruption, race baiting, unethical business practices, lack of intelligence, pathological narcissism, bragging about sexual assault, etc were all open uncontested facts. Indeed he basically bragged about how terrible he was. What would have brought symmetry with Clinton? What could anyone have possibly had that would have made anyone change their mind who hadn't already seen what was going on? These were the two worst candidates in living memory, neither suffered for lack of truthful dirt.

    35. Re:Shocked! by gnick · · Score: 1

      ...in case you don't get it, FB does not show anything that remotely resembles 'news' to me

      I follow CNN & BBC News on FB and see some headlines in my feed, but there's a strange selection of what's presented. I wouldn't list it as one of my news sources, but I do see some legitimate headlines. YMMV.

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    36. Re:Shocked! by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Hm, was not even aware you could 'follow' CNN or BBC on FB.
      And: why would you do that instead of going to cnn.com or bbc.co.uk?

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    37. Re:Shocked! by gnick · · Score: 1

      Instead? Those are my two main news sources. Some of what they post to their feed isn't on their front page.

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    38. Re:Shocked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do not get to be in the position of Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump w/o having a lot of skeletons. If you want to live a blameless life move to Montana and live in a cabin. If you want to be the leader of a world power you are going to have to do a lot of bad things to get to that position.

      The only way Hillary and Trump got to be national figureswas by them being indebted to some powerful people who control the media and economy and want to destroy the USA.

    39. Re:Shocked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think in general, this word "Propaganda" is being thrown around to much and has lost its meaning to some degree.

      The Oxford Dictionary defines Propaganda as "Information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view."

      The keyword here is information, which is different than opinion. A nation's media outlets' interpretations of facts and its subsequent delivery of it as News is something all medias do.

      IMO the only way you should get your news is by cross examining stories through different sources, prefferably ones that aren't funded by the same pockets. Yes that means looking at what the commies are saying once in a while.

    40. Re:Shocked! by cyn1c77 · · Score: 1

      I would rather have foreign government propaganda than have American government censorship.

      Let's not forget that the major influence of the Russians on the American presidential election was their leaking of Hillary's collusion with the DNC ... which was the truth.

      Sure, Hillary might have won if the DNC collusion had remained secret ... but she also might have won if she had been more ethical and there had been no dirt to leak.

      Was there really collusion between the DNC and Clinton? Or was foreign influence involved to make it look that way?

      Does Putin really have Trump over a barrel for peeing on a bed with prostitutes in Russia? Or is it all just fake news?

      Good thing we got a honest and respectful president in the White House after all that! I would have hated to just get someone who wanted to grab the world by the pussy!

    41. Re:Shocked! by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Your sig is so fucking stupid it gave me cancer. "When Fascism comes to American". Jesus. Give up.

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    42. Re:Shocked! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because we may do something as a country, doesn't mean we want it done to us.

      We spy, we drop bombs, we influence elections, etc. Many countries do all these things. It is expected, and rules governing or limiting those actions are written into national and international laws. It is wise to try to prevent other countries from doing those things to us.

      As communication has become more decentralized - less news from the local newspaper and the nightly news with Walter Cronkite - it is easier for everyone to communicate and distribute propaganda anonymously.

      It makes sense to review how we as a country deal with foreign countries disseminating communications here.

    43. Re: Shocked! by Rujiel · · Score: 1

      You can always tell someone doesn't have much to say when they start lamenting the president out of the blue in an unrelated thread.

  2. Here comes the alt-right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    To defend yet another communist regime from valid criticism that it is actively attacking American values and damaging the political process. How did right/left get so absurdly mixed up in this country?

    1. Re:Here comes the alt-right by Train0987 · · Score: 5, Funny

      It would make more sense that you're the Russian! spy sent here to make Democrats look like imbeciles. The Russians! collusion narrative fell apart a long time ago. Now it just looks like a Clinton campaign op meant to excuse her loss to the circus clown and giver her the nomination again 2020 on the premise that The Russians! stole it from her in 2016.

    2. Re:Here comes the alt-right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ^ needs to die in a car fire, trapped behind the wheel.

    3. Re:Here comes the alt-right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too quick, needs to die of asshole cancer.

    4. Re:Here comes the alt-right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're partially correct, its all 'merka's fault. 'merkins elected the officials. not russians. not chinese. that 'merkin voters are dumber than a box of rocks is no one but 'merkins fault. now that the blame game has completed, whats the actual fix? EDUCATE THE MOTHERFUCKERS. having an informed citizenry is a GOOD thing. like having a healthy citizenry is.

  3. So who did Chinese propaganda on FB support? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump or Clinton?

    1. Re:So who did Chinese propaganda on FB support? by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      Yes

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    2. Re:So who did Chinese propaganda on FB support? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since they wanted to seriously undermine the US, I presume both.

    3. Re:So who did Chinese propaganda on FB support? by Tailhook · · Score: 2

      Good question; China funded Bill's campaign and got MFN status for their money.

      It's non-candidate specific propaganda; the leftist world view of hegemonic America unjustly imposing it's will on others. More of the usual Blame America First BS we're all awash in 24/7/365.

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    4. Re:So who did Chinese propaganda on FB support? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably, but if I had to choose, I'd go with Trump.

      Obummer got shown the rear exit of AF1 like a bitch, while Trump's eating dinner in the Forbidden City.

      In before MUH CHINA COLLUSION.

    5. Re:So who did Chinese propaganda on FB support? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Learn its from it's anytime, retarded Trump nazis. That way society can take you seriously! *(lol, go extinct you dumb coal fired cunts)

    6. Re:So who did Chinese propaganda on FB support? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Learn its from it's anytime, retarded Trump nazis.

      Face-palm...you have the rule backwards. It's, is proper for a contraction of 'it is' or 'it has'. Yet another leftist who thinks that their gender studies classes provided them an actual education.

    7. Re:So who did Chinese propaganda on FB support? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whose that touchy about grammar?

    8. Re: So who did Chinese propaganda on FB support? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, he broke from *some* liberals when he showed misogyny in calling people cunts as though that was a bad thing. I'm quite fond of cunts myseld, and I deeply support women being on top.

  4. cat's out of the bag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    we are a nation of knee jerk reactionaries that refuse not only to fact check but will happily accept the majority consensus of feels over reality. As a people the human race has failed. I for one welcome our AI overlords.. as long as they aren't facebook's AI, because I hear they have poo brain.

    1. Re: cat's out of the bag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We are a race of...all that other stuff you said.

      FTFY.

    2. Re:cat's out of the bag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [W]e are a nation of knee jerk reactionaries that refuse not only to fact check but will happily accept the majority consensus of feels over reality.

      Not me. I'm a Democrat.

  5. Still waiting for the positive FB article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh wait, Farmville.

  6. Trump's already been bamboozled by Xi. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The red carpet treatment, lol. Trump just gets played over and over and over again.

  7. Well, it's working by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    They even got "Weird Al" Yankovic.

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  8. Art of War by beep54 · · Score: 1

    Surely there must be something in The Art of War about using your opponents own weapons against them....

    1. Re:Art of War by magarity · · Score: 1

      Surely there must be something in The Art of War about using your opponents own weapons against them....

      Master Sun did indeed say one of the most important strategic possessions is information, and you should strive both to have accurate information for yourself and provide inaccurate information to your opponent.

    2. Re:Art of War by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody called him Master Sun nor was that actually his name but your characterization is correct otherwise.

    3. Re:Art of War by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      "When you are strong, feign weakness; when you are weak, feign strength" was always one of my favorites

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    4. Re:Art of War by magarity · · Score: 1

      Tzu is a title that translates roughly to "Master". His family name was Sun. So, yes, "Master Sun" is correct.

    5. Re:Art of War by Gryle · · Score: 1

      It's been a while since I read Sun Tzu, but this seems appropriate: "Hence to fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence. Supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting."

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      Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not entirely sure about the universe - Einstein
  9. Re:You know what else spreads? by sexconker · · Score: 1

    Uh, the original AC troll for this calls for "my DAMN balls" as the appropriate usage.

    I wasn't a fan of that short lived meme, but at least do it correctly.

  10. Re: You know what else spreads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's just Creimer. We all know it. We can tell by the way the ACs write. Just ignore his sorry ass.

  11. The State v. You (not Left v. Right) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The whole left/right paradigm is a giant scam. Why is it that no matter who gets elected, the only thing that materially changes is we get more war, more spending, more laws, more taxes, more regulations, and less freedom?

    The left and the right are two wings of the same bird of prey, and all of us are on the menu.

    Stop thinking of left v. right. The real issue is The State v. all of us.

    1. Re:The State v. You (not Left v. Right) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You live in a democracy, diphsit. You ARE the state. The only reason you're bitching is because you're too lazy to run yourself.

    2. Re: The State v. You (not Left v. Right) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess six million Jews murdered themselves because the people are the state, right? So the Holocaust was really a mass suicide, not genocide.

  12. Brazil & Van Jones: Back of the DNC Bus... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now that Van Jones and Donna Brazil have both pulled back the cover on the DNC, they are being sent to the back of the proverbial bus.

    It cannot be racist if Democrats send blacks to the back of the us.

  13. Voter? by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    I'm getting tired of being treated not as a complete human being but as an object that does thing.

    1. Re:Voter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Silly 573697, the only way to prove you are a thinking individual is to do exactly what your betters tell you to. Otherwise you are an easily manipulated animal.

  14. Huge difference by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

    I'm not saying "This is immoral, therefore China is bad." I'm saying "This is a (propaganda) fight between two sides. China is on the other one, therefore it's bad."

    It's similar to how I'll root for the military forces of my country in a war against another one, even if both sides are using the same tactics I disagree with.

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  15. News-flash: U.S. spreads propaganda to U.S. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    and other countries. Don't kid yourself, if your country does it, other countries will return the favor. Stop trying to play the victim, it's not working.

  16. First Russia, Now China. What Next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Since the Democrats can't seem to pin any sort of nefarious Russian influence on Trump winning the election, it's now on to the next boogie man. I suspect if they dig hard enough, they'll find that the Clintons took Chinese bribes, too.

    The narrative will then change again and they'll blame someone else. Who? Al Quaeda? ISIS?

    The New York Times is really getting pathetic with the obvious propaganda and lies it prints nowdays. It used to be more subtle.

    1. Re:First Russia, Now China. What Next? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      AC the UK could be back in the USA setting up a new cyber version of its British Security Co-ordination, BSC.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      A UK cyber version of the "Near East Broadcasting Station" for the USA?
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  17. educate your electorate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    way to go 'murika. by allowing your electorate to remain ignorant, its easily influenced by outside forces. you made your bed. sleep well.

  18. Re:You know what else spreads? by gnick · · Score: 1

    I wasn't a fan of that short lived meme, but at least do it correctly.

    Only one person can settle this: Natalie Portman, naked and petrified, covered in hot oatmeal.

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    He's getting rather old, but he's a good mouse.
  19. So do liberals and the feds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Hell about everything could be considered propaganda.

  20. not the least surprised by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    I have some ass troll running around lying about china's actions while trying to knock me down. I am guessing that he is from China, since he does not give a shit about anything else.

    Basically, China and Russia have been using the internet and traitors like Trump against America. Even now, Trump CORRECTLY pointed out how bad China was WRT to economics, and then he turned after his family got what they wanted.

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    1. Re:not the least surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A brief look at your history shows you pretty much do nothing but badmouth China. That and the bit about the satellite not being dismantled when it clearly was. I've yet to find a post that wasn't at least incorrect if not outright lies.

    2. Re: not the least surprised by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      The lies have been yours over and over. No doubt u are claiming that ur nation would never do such BS or would never spy here ( and yet, I got one of your spies kicked out of America ).

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      I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
    3. Re: not the least surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are just delusional. Typical bubble Republican, facts dont penetrate.

    4. Re: not the least surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Special little snowflake makes it all about him.

      Try being logical for just a second, isn't it much more likely he's interested in China, and anyone making up lies about it. And not just all your lies specifically. Seems likely if it's just your China lies he's pointing out and not your others.

      Looks like you not only make up your own alternative facts, but you make up other peoples alternative opinions for them as well.
      I'd ask you to stick to the facts, but you haven't stumbled upon one yet.

  21. Of Course They Ban It by Greyfox · · Score: 2

    Of course China bans Facebook. Do you know how much propaganda is on that thing? You'd have to be an idiot to let all that shit into your country!

    --

    I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?

  22. Live and Let Live by Howitzer86 · · Score: 1

    The United States is very big, and throughout its history it has contained many different subcultures and social mores. Utah isn't anything like New York, and rural areas aren't anything like metropolitan areas. Yet these people must coexist within the same body. The only cultural thing that really matters in the US the respect for another's right to think and express themselves freely. Your neighbor's God, sports preference, favorite foods, marriage status, or politics is not a matter of national security.

    Countries where this matters - where people are often killed for having a dissenting opinion, teaching history, or exposing corruption - are inferior.

  23. North Korea too!!! by i286NiNJA · · Score: 1

    I once found what appeared to be a genuine DPRK propaganda facebook page. Almost everyone that was subscribed was there to laugh at it and throw tomatoes.

    Eventually I unsubscribed. I couldn't shake the feeling that liking the page was signing me up for additional review by some NSA watchlist.

  24. china is evil. by moneybabylon · · Score: 1

    I was born chinese, and like vast majority of the world, I don't like china or its people. Because they choose to be evil, anti-universal values, anti-moral, anti-freedom, anti-democracy, anti-truth. I worked very hard to emigrate to america, and I see china's economic collapse has already begun, in addition to many very serious social disasters.

  25. First 'Russia propaganda' hysteria, now this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think foreign propaganda is really a problem here. It's rather american elite protecting their propaganda channels from outside interference. People are just tired of constant lies and fakes flowing from just every mainstream news channel in United States. Anyone having access to any kind of foreign media, be it russian, chineese, iranian, indian, syrian or independent media sees clearly all lies and propaganda in western channels. In this regard you've become a Soviet Union of 21 century, folks. So
    get your own house in order instead of censoring everyone who doesn't tow to the line of western propaganda.

  26. Re:You know what else spreads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    oatmeal.

    well played

  27. You misspelled propaganda and falsehoods there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "a powerful tool for disseminating information and influencing opinion."
    Rather a powerful tool for disseminating unverified propaganda as fact and influencing the lazy and unaware.
    Facebook posts have no fact-checking, no vetting, no accountability.