Fedora 27 Released (fedoramagazine.org)

The Fedora Project has announced the general availability of Fedora 27 Workstation and Fedora 27 Atomic editions. Fedora 27 brings with it "thousands of improvements" from both the Fedora Community and various upstream software projects, the team said on Tuesday. From a post on Fedora Magazine: The Workstation edition of Fedora 27 features GNOME 3.26. In the new release, both the Display and Network configuration panels have been updated, along with the overall Settings panel appearance improvement. The system search now shows more results at once, including the system actions. GNOME 3.26 also features color emoji support, folder sharing in Boxes, and numerous improvements in the Builder IDE tool. The new release also features LibreOffice 5.4.

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systemd?

[Anonymous Coward]

Have they gotten rid of systemd yet? Nope. Not interested. I'll get back to my OpenBSD box now.

Captcha: Megaton. As in how many disk blocks the systemd binaries take up.

Re:systemd?

[iggymanz]

if "color emojis" is touted as a major system feature, you know your dealing with a distro that panders to juveniles. Just as systemd makes them squeal. "oooo, my system boots up faster!"

Re:systemd?

[boudie2]

Trump would know what needs to be done. "Lennart, you're fired!"

Re: systemd?

[Zero__Kelvin]

Fast booting isn't the big reason to use systemd, and you either know that and are trolling or don't, thereby making anything you say about systemd uninformed drivel. Of course there is a third, most likely option, to wit you know that and are trolling, and everything you say about systemd is uninformed drivel. Keep holding your breath for the day when people will be ditching Linux because it has a vastly improved init system.

Re: systemd?

[KiloByte]

Fast booting isn't the big reason to use systemd

It's not, as systemd boots slower than sane inits. This doesn't stop this reason from being included in systemd advertising (although they've mostly moved to touting other fake advantages).

Keep holding your breath for the day when people will be ditching Linux because it has a vastly improved init system.

Well, which one do you have in mind? Because I can't think of one that's drastically better than others, although there is one that's drastically worse.

Re: systemd?

[Zero__Kelvin]

Yeah .. OK buddy. Off you go now little troll ...

Re: systemd?

[Anonymous Coward]

It used to be, back before Poettering hitched it to the container train.

Face it, Poettering has a bad habit of coding for his own problems and then foisting it on the rest of us via his connections at RH.

First there was Pulseaudio, that was basically his solution to buying a crap laptop without proper audio ports. Thus he found himself with a USB headset. Never mind that he could likely have got things working just fine using Jack.

Similarly systemd is his "solution" to either not getting his laptop to hibernate properly, or getting into the security theater habit of shutting down fully between each use (only way to make sure nobody can find a way onto that encrypted porn/work partition).

Re: systemd?

[Zero__Kelvin]

Yep. He's the most powerful guy on the planet, and nobody else on the planet wants to be able to use their audio unless that are willing to make the audio chipset the driving factor in all their laptop purchasing decisions. Truly brilliant analysis of the situation!

Re: systemd?

[Anonymous Coward]

Interesting how you didn't rebut his points, LMAO!

Re: systemd?

[Brockmire]

Whining about megabytes of disk usage in 2017 makes you a little bitch.

Re: systemd?

[iggymanz]

Some people are into scat; Poettering has been squatting and shitting into the open source pool for decades.

Re: systemd?

[Anonymous Coward]

systemd has some serious security flaws. It's a poor design in general (binary log files, need I say more?)

How often does one restart services that replacing the init system was vital? Most systems run for months, sometimes years, without any touching.

Re: systemd?

[Zero__Kelvin]

Thanks for showing that you know literally nothing about it.

Which is better

[Anonymous Coward]

Fedora, or Debian? Or some other "original" Linux distro? Why would you select one over the other?

Re:Which is better

[freak0fnature]

It depends on what you want to do. Steam games generally get full support for Ubuntu first, less so on Fedora. I can play TF2 natively, but both Portal games crash on me. But if you ask my boss, he would say that debian packaging is superior to RPM especially when dealing with dependency issues.

Re:Which is better

[Thelasko]

Fedora, or Debian? Or some other "original" Linux distro? Why would you select one over the other?

Besides package management, the deciding factor for me is release cadence. Fedora frequently has new releases, and to me, it feels like I need to spend an unreasonable amount of time upgrading my OS. Debian releases are much slower. However, you won't have the newest software.

A good compromise has been the long term releases (LTS) for Ubuntu, which is every two years.

Re: Which is better

[Zero__Kelvin]

You dont have to switch just because 27 is released. It doesn't work that way.

Re:Which is better

[Anonymous Coward]

Fedora, or Debian? Or some other "original" Linux distro? Why would you select one over the other?

Besides package management, the deciding factor for me is release cadence. Fedora frequently has new releases, and to me, it feels like I need to spend an unreasonable amount of time upgrading my OS. Debian releases are much slower. However, you won't have the newest software.

A good compromise has been the long term releases (LTS) for Ubuntu, which is every two years.

Actually, Fedora has kick ass upgrade system so new releases are welcome. The upgrade is built into the software center and so far it has worked flawlessly. I have never seen any other distro that has as good upgrade setup that just works.

So you can have best of both worlds - stability and new software at the same time.

By the way, you can also upgrade like this from shell if that is what you prefer:
$ sudo dnf system-upgrade download --releasever=27
$ sudo dnf system-upgrade reboot

Re:Which is better

[Anonymous Coward]

It depends on what you want to do. Steam games generally get full support for Ubuntu first, less so on Fedora. I can play TF2 natively, but both Portal games crash on me. But if you ask my boss, he would say that debian packaging is superior to RPM especially when dealing with dependency issues.

As someone who deals with both .deb and .rpm distros, I can say it is actually exactly opposite and has been for a long time. Rpms + package tools available on distros like Fedora really give .debs run for its money.

Re:Which is better

[Anonymous Coward]

Fedora, or Debian? Or some other "original" Linux distro? Why would you select one over the other?

Fedora is better, hands down.

Debian is stable, however it has very outdated software. Also, if you go with ubuntu, its like someone high on drugs - they keep pushing half-baked technology (unity, mir, snap, etc) that gets abandoned every other release so you constantly have to start from scratch. If you go with something like Arch, it is very up to date as it is a rolling distro, however the problem is that it can be very unstable.

Fedora seems to be the happy medium - releases are about 6 months and upgrades work really well so it makes it seem like a rolling release distro w/ 6 month incubating time for new software. On the other side, that 6 months of testing gives it rock-solid stability. Best decision I ever made.

Re: Which is better

[Thelasko]

You dont have to switch just because 27 is released. It doesn't work that way.

How much support do the older releases get? My impression is, if you want support, you upgrade.

Re: Which is better

[CronoCloud]

I always recommend holding off for a few weeks on Fedora distro upgrades anyway. Servers are less busy and if there's a few package issues they'll have them ironed out by then.

Re:Which is better

[CronoCloud]

The Fedora equivalent to Ubuntu LTS would be the official Red Hat releases or CentOS.

Re:Which is better

[guacamole]

Fedora is fine for a home desktop or some kind of a tinkering or development box. For work, I prefer CentOS or RHEL, which normally have +5 years of support and updated drivers and install images.

Re: Which is better

[Anonymous Coward]

No, they are not equivalent. RHEL/CentOS require a ton of third party repositories to be even somewhat useful whereas on Ubuntu most things just work (like it does in Fedora). That's also one of the annoying things about writing rpm packages. Even something as simple as (some parts of) Qt requires you to tell the user to install third party repositories or that you include your own copy of Qt in your rpm... Bonkers. Fedora source RPM is easier than universal source deb, which is much easier than universal source RPM.

Re: Which is better

[Wdomburg]

It is documented in their release schedule:

"We say maintained for approximately 13 months because the supported period for releases is dependent on the date the release under development goes final. As a result, Release X is supported until one month after the release of Release X+2.

This translates into:
Fedora 26 will be maintained until 1 month after the release of Fedora 28.
Fedora 27 will be maintained until 1 month after the release of Fedora 29."

If you want more stability, there's CentOS, which has a new release every 3-4 years, but will provide updates for 10 years. The core release doesn't have the latest software, but that is what Software Collections are for.

Re:Which is better

[ContextSwitch]

By the way, you can also upgrade like this from shell if that is what you prefer: $ sudo dnf system-upgrade download --releasever=27 $ sudo dnf system-upgrade reboot

This is my preferred method, you do have to install dnf-plugin-system-upgrade first though. The process is described here.

I'm relatively new to fedora, jumping on board at version 25 but I have been pleasantly surprised at how easy the last to distro upgrades have been.

Re:Systemd, DBUS, Pulseaudio, and Gnome3

[ContextSwitch]

Thank-you I will. I'm happy to proceed using this distro without the burden of your ideology.

Re:Systemd, DBUS, Pulseaudio, and Gnome3

[iggymanz]

fine if you're running a laptop or home pc

for those of us who administor hundreds of machines, we've found systemd to be unpredictable, unreliable, and needlessly complex garbage

Why is this on Slashdot?

[Anonymous Coward]

If you care about a particular Linux distribution, you're already going to be on top of it. If a modern distro ditches systemd, that would be news. This isn't news. So, I ask again, why is this on Slashdot?

Re:Why is this on Slashdot?

[jfdavis668]

It's a technology story. Far more relevant than the story about Germany burning too much coal.

Re:Systemd, DBUS, Pulseaudio, and Gnome3

[Anonymous Coward]

for those of us who administor hundreds of machines, we've found systemd to be unpredictable, unreliable, and needlessly complex garbage

Ahh I knew I missed the yearly bulletin of Illiterate System Administrators.

OMFG!

[Anonymous Coward]

Color emoji support?! Please, someone pinch me, tell me I'm dreaming. Color emojis? HOLY MOTHER FUCKING SHIT! This is the dawn of a new area! 2017 is the dawn of a new age of humanity!

Re:OMFG!

[Anonymous Coward]

Linux on the desktop, bro!!11! High Five! W00t! Belly bump!!one!!1!cos(0)!!

AMIRIGHT?

Re:OMFG!

[Anonymous Coward]

This is the dawn of a new area!

errm... area of what exactly?

Re:Systemd, DBUS, Pulseaudio, and Gnome3

[iggymanz]

possibly "paying later" thus far has taken over 20 years...

Re:Systemd, DBUS, Pulseaudio, and Gnome3

[iggymanz]

Thank those who make spell correction systems for phones.

Re:Systemd, DBUS, Pulseaudio, and Gnome3

[CrybabiesArePeople]

What's the point of trolling as an AC? I would think it's frustrating, no?

Re:Systemd, DBUS, Pulseaudio, and Gnome3

[Anonymous Coward]

But, but, but.... new and shiny systemd. It's new! How dare you hold back progress. It's new! You think you're better than Lennart Poettering? He got hired by Red Hat. Red Hat! They couldn't possibly be wrong! What are you, a Microsoft troll?

Re:Systemd, DBUS, Pulseaudio, and Gnome3

[Anonymous Coward]

Trolls rarely like being accountable for their spews.

Re: Systemd, DBUS, Pulseaudio, and Gnome3

[Zero__Kelvin]

What you say is fair; he should have said incompetent and ignorant, but perhaps not illiterate.

Re:Systemd, DBUS, Pulseaudio, and Gnome3

[MSG]

You speak only for yourself. Many of use who operate large server farms are quite happy with systemd. And the evidence suggests that those who integrate systems prefer systemd, as there are vanishingly few distributions that don't use systemd either exclusively or by default.

Re:Systemd, DBUS, Pulseaudio, and Gnome3

[Anonymous Coward]

But, but, but.... new and shiny systemd. It's new! How dare you hold back progress. It's new! You think you're better than Lennart Poettering? He got hired by Red Hat. Red Hat! They couldn't possibly be wrong! What are you, a Microsoft troll?

That's funny systemd has been around for seven years. How does that make it shiny and new?

Re:Systemd, DBUS, Pulseaudio, and Gnome3

[Anonymous Coward]

As someone who administers thousands of systems with systemd, I would say my experience is different. I have seen odd race conditions due to systemd's parallelism, though only with services that are locally written. Though as our use cases are likely different, I cannot speak to your difficulties. Can you give examples of the problems you have had with systemd?

I've generally found systemd to be easier to debug due to most services having a rather simplistic configuration.

Re:Systemd, DBUS, Pulseaudio, and Gnome3

[Anonymous Coward]

Appeal to authority and bandwagon.

Re: Systemd, DBUS, Pulseaudio, and Gnome3

[Zero__Kelvin]

Stop making shit up. You are the one with no actual experience with it. It has been in widespread use for 5 years, and every major distribution has chosen it. You really need to start trying to look for a different troll topic. systemd has been accepted by all the major players in the Linux world at this point. You make it abundantly clear what a fool and/or troll you are when you try to pretend otherwise.

Re:Systemd, DBUS, Pulseaudio, and Gnome3

[Anonymous Coward]

Nah, what you do is fire ever more containers at the self-inflicted DDOS...

Re:Systemd, DBUS, Pulseaudio, and Gnome3

[Anonymous Coward]

If I am running hundreds of laptops what should I choose?

Re:Systemd, DBUS, Pulseaudio, and Gnome3

[MartinG]

I haven't had problems with systemd for years now. There were problems long ago, but it's solid now for me on server and desktop alike.

Can you provide some information about the problems you are having or link to issue reports?

Re:Systemd, DBUS, Pulseaudio, and Gnome3

[Anonymous Coward]

I find it useful in environments with thousands of servers. Much more predictable than the old scripts.

Re: Systemd, DBUS, Pulseaudio, and Gnome3

[Anonymous Coward]

Is that you, Lennart?

Re: Systemd, DBUS, Pulseaudio, and Gnome3

[Seven Spirals]

No experience? LOL. I teach Redhat classes to RHCE students (and I am a certified RH instructor and RHCE myself). I've worked in multiple environments with over 300,000 sqft of populated data center and (tens of) thousands of Linux systems. I've personally been running some form of Linux since 1993 (SLS was my first distro). I'm a C programmer and have written Linux device drivers. You, on the other hand, sound like a teenager with no job experience angry that someone attacked your Steam platform. Get an actual job. Your experience in mom's basement isn't giving you a realistic view of Linux's enterprise integration.

Re: Systemd, DBUS, Pulseaudio, and Gnome3

[Zero__Kelvin]

Yeah, OK buddy. My SlashID alone should have been enough to show I haven't been a teen in a LONG time, just as the content of your posts show you lie through your fucking teeth.

Re: Systemd, DBUS, Pulseaudio, and Gnome3

[Anonymous Coward]

Guess your not certified on v7. And after using unit files I much says that are much nicer than init script. Firewalld is also a pretty good piece of software, well it has one major advantage over iptable : you can monitor it's state. You cannot reliably monitor iptable state....

Re: Systemd, DBUS, Pulseaudio, and Gnome3

[iggymanz]

I've read your systemd shilling, you are the ignorant one. Wise admins are running long term stable versions of distros that aren't yet poisoned by systemd, or they are running BSD.

Re: Systemd, DBUS, Pulseaudio, and Gnome3

[Zero__Kelvin]

Name this mysterious distribution. Also point to the stats that say any BSD has even a slightly significant foothold. You are a fucking idiot.

there was a mention of Bodhi (not the distro)

[Anonymous Coward]

Is it like a tracking system of some kind; could be confusing for some

Re:Systemd, DBUS, Pulseaudio, and Gnome3

[Anonymous Coward]

Privacy laws prevent the medical reports regarding the issues he's having from being shared.

Re: Systemd, DBUS, Pulseaudio, and Gnome3

[Anonymous Coward]

macOS is BSD and has a bigger market share.

Re: Systemd, DBUS, Pulseaudio, and Gnome3

[Zero__Kelvin]

You probably actually believe OS X is one of the BSDs. ROTFLMAO

Re: Systemd, DBUS, Pulseaudio, and Gnome3

[meosborne]

Ah, you're just a youngling. :-)