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Apple's HomePod Gets Delayed Until 2018 (theverge.com)

Apple has reportedly delayed the release of its HomePod smart speaker until 2018. In a statement to The Verge, Apple says that it needs more time to work on the device. "We can't wait for people to experience HomePod, Apple's breakthrough wireless speaker for the home, but we need a little more time before it's ready for our customers," an Apple spokesperson said. "We'll start shipping in the U.S., UK and Australia in early 2018." From the report: The speaker was originally set to be released in December. Priced at $349, the HomePod is slated to take on higher-end sound systems like Sonos, as well as smart assistants like the Amazon Echo and Google Home. The cylindrical speaker features a seven-speaker array of tweeters, a four-inch subwoofer, and a six-microphone array, which puts it right on par spec-wise with the best speakers in its price range, but where it may fall short is Siri, which isn't really in the same class as Alexa or Google Assistant. That challenge is likely why Apple's focus at the launch of the HomePod back at WWDC in June was music first and smart features second.

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  1. Apple is again doing things right... by greenwow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    instead of rushing. Good for them and good for us.

    1. Re:Apple is again doing things right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know why you were voted down for that comment, but this is correct. It's the same reason Apple waited so long before releasing an OLED screen.

    2. Re:Apple is again doing things right... by forkfail · · Score: 1

      The last time I said this with a straight face about any tech company was when Blizzard delayed WC3.

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    3. Re:Apple is again doing things right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm confused too. Google returns results for "Wing Commander III" for a search for "WC3."

    4. Re:Apple is again doing things right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL. Such a typical blind apple cultist response. You guys are nauseating with your buzz phrases.

    5. Re:Apple is again doing things right... by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      I don't know why you were voted down for that comment...

      That comment was modded -1, Not Sufficiently Snarky About Apple.

    6. Re:Apple is again doing things right... by leonbev · · Score: 2

      It also means that they're going to be really late to the market, though. Both Amazon and Google are practically giving away their lower end AI speakers for $29 during the Christmas sale season, many of them with $20 gift cards attached to them.

      By the time 2018 comes around, many families who wanted a voice assistant will already have one. Many of those families might also buy devices like Chromecasts to link the device to the rest of their house, and Apple is going to have a tough time getting those people back.

    7. Re:Apple is again doing things right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not actually far off. The big problem with HomePod was that was never supposed to be an Apple only device. Apple has been trying to get Bose, B&O, Sonos, and other "High End" speaker manufacturers to buy into this newish Ecosystem
      Apple already tried an Apple-only Speaker system with the Apple iPod Hi-Fi, and it was a turd:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod_Hi-Fi

      You could pay $350 for the iPod Hi-Fi, or buy something on sale from an off-brand for $25 at Walmart. Apple is planning on keeping HomePod and its equivalents pricey and profitable. To do this, they have to offer something much better than the average Amazon crap.
      Too bad "much better" to most people is Bose.
      (BTW, Bose once made some very fine speakers, but that was a long time ago.)

    8. Re:Apple is again doing things right... by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      Being late to the market is sort of an Apple thing. The iPod, iPhone, and iPad were all somewhat late to their respective markets, and subsequently dominated those markets.

      I think the big advantage Apple has is being able to tie into their own existing ecosystem. A huge percentage of the US population has iPhones, and so is already used to talking to Siri. These devices might be more comfortable to them as a result.

      It's hard to say whether they'll do well here or not. Honestly, I think it's probably a long shot, but Slashdot has a long, proud history of being wrong about these things.

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    9. Re:Apple is again doing things right... by lucm · · Score: 0

      I don't know why you were voted down for that comment, but this is correct. It's the same reason Apple waited so long before releasing an OLED screen.

      So you're saying that they waited 5 years to finally buy the lowest grade OLED available from the discontinued line of Samsung screens because they wanted to do it right? Do what right? Save money and make more profit?

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    10. Re:Apple is again doing things right... by lucm · · Score: 0

      Being late to the market is sort of an Apple thing. The iPod, iPhone, and iPad were all somewhat late to their respective markets, and subsequently dominated those markets.

      The iPod is gone and the iPad is dead in the water. All that's left is the iPhone which is no longer dominating anything except in the mind of its dwindling user base. Once again, Apple managed to build something great, then drive it into the ground, all within a 10-year span. The Ford Escort lasted twice that long.

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    11. Re:Apple is again doing things right... by antdude · · Score: 1

      They should had done that with their other releases like iOS v11.

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    12. Re:Apple is again doing things right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a speaker. With a microphone in it.

      Their inability to produce this on time does not suggest competence.

    13. Re:Apple is again doing things right... by PoopJuggler · · Score: 1

      Did you even RTFS?
      "the HomePod is slated to take on higher-end sound systems like Sonos"
      Yeah, I'm sure Amazon's $29 speaker will have all the features and sonic fidelity as Apple's $300 one...

    14. Re:Apple is again doing things right... by leonbev · · Score: 1

      The $29 Amazon or Google speaker isn't supposed to compete with a Sonos. That's why they support BlueTooth speaker connectivity, or connectivity to your home stereo system via Chromecast.

      If you really wanted a more expensive all-in-one high-fidelity model, Amazon already has one and Google will have one out soon.

    15. Re: Apple is again doing things right... by PoopJuggler · · Score: 1

      How many have you produced?

    16. Re:Apple is again doing things right... by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Correct. In fact, it's well known that increasing the price also increases the audio fidelity, with no physical changes to the hardware being necessary. Apple utilizes this principle when selling Beats headphones.

      And even though Apple is fourth to the market, this voice assistant is, in their words, a "breakthrough", a word which also increases the audio fidelity.

    17. Re: Apple is again doing things right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Zero because it's worthless fucking garbage.

      But here's how I'd do it in 3 minutes:

      Buy Mac Mini. Turn on Siri. Plug speakers into headphone jack. Glue speakers on top of Mac Mini.

      FUCKING DONE.

  2. Yeah... by Hallux-F-Sinister · · Score: 0

    "We can't wait for people to experience HomePod, Apple's breakthrough wireless speaker for the home, but we need a little more time before it's ready for our customers,"

    Yeah. They can't wait for people to put even more money into their pockets in exchange for the device, more like. Tired of Apple executives and shills pretending to be breathlessly excited about something besides what they obviously only care about.

    I, similarly, can't wait for Apple to stop hiding assets offshore and start paying their fare share of taxes like everyone else is SUPPOSED to be.

    Also, wouldn't it be nice if Apple would instead focus on loyal customers who are the reason the company still exists, and, oh, I dunno, maybe update the Mac Mini finally?!?

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    1. Re:Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Also, wouldn't it be nice if Apple would instead focus on loyal customers who are the reason the company still exists...

      Yeah unless they really change things up, they’re not going to hang on much longer. /s

    2. Re:Yeah... by a.e.brownlee.iv · · Score: 1

      "We can't wait for people to experience HomePod, Apple's breakthrough wireless speaker for the home, but we need a little more time before it's ready for our customers,"

      Yeah. They can't wait for people to put even more money into their pockets in exchange for the device, more like. Tired of Apple executives and shills pretending to be breathlessly excited about something besides what they obviously only care about.

      I, similarly, can't wait for Apple to stop hiding assets offshore and start paying their fare share of taxes like everyone else is SUPPOSED to be.

      Also, wouldn't it be nice if Apple would instead focus on loyal customers who are the reason the company still exists, and, oh, I dunno, maybe update the Mac Mini finally?!?

      "Fare share." You mean fair share.

      Who pays the tax on a good? The consumer. Raise the taxes on a good? Guess who still pays. The consumer.

    3. Re: Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You never know. If apple keeps betting everything on iphone, meanwhile $80 android phones are getting better and better. Eventuality people will get tired of spending $100 plus per month for phone payments.

      Putting some effort back into macs would be smart.

    4. Re:Yeah... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Who pays the tax on a good? The consumer. Raise the taxes on a good? Guess who still pays. The consumer.

      You are missing the point. If a German buys a phone made in China, the American government doesn't collect any tax. Many Americans feel that is wrong.

    5. Re:Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would just be nice if you would shut the fuck up. You are a class A idiot.

    6. Re:Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > taxes like everyone else is SUPPOSED to

      Ironically your implication, that everyone else doesn't pay whatever additional taxes you believe Apple should be paying, is exactly the point.
      They certainly would be 'thinking different' if they maximised their tax liability.

      FWIW, if you're talking about Apple registering profits from their European operations in Ireland; I would rather they (and others) didn't, but that's due to the stupidity and lack of foresight with which the European regulations were put together and not the fault of Apple and the many multinational companies (ranging from Google to Ikea) that take advantage of it.

      If, instead, you're talking about Apple not 'repatriating' overseas earnings back to the US (and then paying 40% tax on the money), then they have my full support and I'm glad they don't. The money comes from the people in the markets in which it was earned so I'm happy to see it remain in and be invested in those regions.

      Captcha: profits : )

    7. Re: Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahhhhhh Beeeeeeeeel.

      You forgot the part about it being DESIGNED and SOLD by an American based company.

      But that small detail doesn't matter, does it Bill?

    8. Re: Yeah... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      You forgot the part about it being DESIGNED and SOLD by an American based company.

      The tax has nothing to do with where it was designed. If an American company has a design center overseas, they pay the same tax as if it was designed in America. If a foreign company employs American designers, they pay no tax on overseas sales.

      The only thing that makes a difference is where the money is INVESTED after it is collected. It is taxed if it is invested in America, creating American jobs. It is not taxed if it is invested overseas.

      No other country attempts to collect extraterritorial tax on sales outside their borders. And certainly no other country is idiotic enough to use such a tax to penalize investment and job creation.

    9. Re:Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are missing the point. If a German buys a phone made in China, the American government doesn't collect any tax. Many Americans feel that is wrong.

      America is one of the very few countries who feel entitled at all to tax foreign profits. Same for its citizens.

    10. Re:Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Opps, replied to the wrong post. Sorry, please mentally attach it to the "ahhhh Beeeel" post.

  3. Siri by Dan+East · · Score: 2

    I'm not one to follow every little advance made by the various "digital assistants", but in what way is Siri not "really in the same class as Alexa or Google Assistant"? I thought Siri was quite advanced, and was the first, so has it lagged behind the competition? Or is Siri tuned more for phone use on demand and not the far more generic use required in the home, where it "listens in" continuously to filter for commands within all the ambient sound and conversations in a room?

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    1. Re: Siri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It has lagged behind the competition.

    2. Re:Siri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      http://bgr.com/2017/10/08/siri-vs-google-better-who-has-highest-iq/

    3. Re:Siri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Siri is OK but too general purpose. Alexa is great for selecting music and playing books, and it does some other stuff too (it's actually measurably improving). Once the novelty has worn off, voice assistants are most useful as a way to play music/audiobooks and to answer really simple internet queries, like if it will rain, what time it is, etc. So Alexa's strengths match real-world usage.

    4. Re:Siri by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      I'm not one to follow every little advance made by the various "digital assistants", but in what way is Siri not "really in the same class as Alexa or Google Assistant"? I thought Siri was quite advanced, and was the first, so has it lagged behind the competition? Or is Siri tuned more for phone use on demand and not the far more generic use required in the home, where it "listens in" continuously to filter for commands within all the ambient sound and conversations in a room?

      Well, the problem is Apple and their privacy policy. Google and Amazon dominate the digital assistant world because well, they don't provide any. So Google's assistant is, by Alphabet's privacy policy, able to use anything and everything you ever did that involved an Alphabet company. All that is compiled and indexed and forms your personal profile, from how many DoubleClick ads you did not see, to what videos you saw on youTube, and your searches on Google. That makes Google's assistant much more powerful, because it "knows" you better. Ditto Alexa - when combined with everything you looked at on Amazon, or shopped elsewhere, Alexa can make suggestions.

      Apple's privacy policy is different. Siri is only allowed to ask for narrow pieces of data. All spelled out in Siri's privacy policy. It doesn't matter that Apple may have more information about you, that privacy policy is king, and Siri is not allowed to touch any data that is not specified in that policy. So Siri might not be able to access your photos, even if you uploaded them to iCloud. Apple has it, but SIri cannot access it without breaking the policy, so it can't. (There's apparently a privacy czar at Apple, and if you want to violate privacy policy you better be able to justify it, because more often than not, requests are turned down).

      It would not surprise me if Apple is trying to offload Siri onto the device as much as possible - first for privacy reasons (an always listening box? Well, if 99% of questions can be answered by onboard Siri and not through Apple, that's a major plus - it's also less data the government can ask from Apple). There's also likely going to have to be a lot of data sharing locally - perhaps if Siri can be on-device, it can query the Siri of everything else local to determine next steps, as long as all data stays local and not transmitted to Apple.

      In short, Siri is hobbled because it cannot access as rich a dataset as Google and Amazon can, because Apple dictates what powers Siri has are limited and fully enumerated in the privacy policy.

  4. Missing purpose by alvinrod · · Score: 2

    That challenge is likely why Apple's focus at the launch of the HomePod back at WWDC in June was music first and smart features second.

    I suppose if you don't already have a sound system, this lets you get something that's probably decent at a lower cost, but if you've already got a set of speakers, what is the purpose of this thing? I despise digital voice assistants anyway and I suspect there are a lot of other posters here that don't like privacy implications and completely disable whatever they've got on their phone, so I can't really see the point of this device. Maybe if they had a crap ton of other smart appliances and you could build an Apple home with this thing serving as the hub, but this just feels to pointless. So that probably just means it will be a smashing success when it does come out.

    1. Re:Missing purpose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've met more than one "normie" (the kind of person who used to downmod me for saying the NSA was saving bulk internet traffic in a data center in Utah before this was common knowledge) who refuses to discuss certain topics in earshot of Alexa. People are well aware of how fucked we are, but most people won't care. Tyranny of the majority.

    2. Re:Missing purpose by humasyed · · Score: 1
  5. LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't they, even think before they invent these name's? HOMOpod ROFLMA(TIUOFSASAF)O.

  6. Aw, Shucks by forkfail · · Score: 1

    I can't get another device listening to everything I say and do and recording it in the cloud until next year?

    I am disappoint.

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  7. 2018! That's years.. by xtal · · Score: 1

    away.

    Shit, I'm old. Hah.

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  8. Apple should be apple-lauded for their heroism. by urbanriot · · Score: 2

    While I'm reading some negativity in the comments section concerning this delay, Apple should be applauded as they're undoubtedly coming up with a progressive device eschewing the archaic components cobbled together for your grandparents 'speakers', like the speaker cone, the magnet, and the voice coil.

    1. Re:Apple should be apple-lauded for their heroism. by lucm · · Score: 0

      They'll probably make it wireless, wifiless and bluetoothless. It will only play the same built-in U2 song over and over, unless you buy the Pro edition which comes with a single Delete button.

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    2. Re:Apple should be apple-lauded for their heroism. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  9. Not much from Apple anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple to me has really lost its mojo on product development of late. More gimmicks then good innovation and then you have all the glitches with product releases. Yes, they sort of keep up with the rest or at least are close followers, but they are certainly not the leader they used to be.

  10. It's because all of a back-order on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...disk drives needed for the cloud-based recording and transcription system since Google Home and the new Facebook Messenger went live.

  11. Small "high end" speaker is a myth by iamacat · · Score: 1

    Despite heavy marketting it will sound exactly like every portable stereo it's size. If you care about sound, get a set of real speakers with a subwoofer and connect cast device of your choice to the amplifier. If you don't, this is a waste of money.

  12. apple is trying improve him self by amira+mishnish · · Score: 0

    apple is trying improve him self,i think that's great he's seeking for the best .

  13. Sonos is not "higher end" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would not call Sonos a "higher end" sound system. Sonos has neat features but the acrostic response is poor.