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EFF Beats 'Stupid' Patent Troll In Court (courthousenews.com)

An Australian court can't make a California advocacy group take down a web page, a U.S. federal judge just ruled on Friday. Even if that web page calls a company's patents "stupid." Courthouse News reports: San Francisco-based Electronic Frontier Foundation sued Global Equity Management, or GEMSA, in April, claiming the Australian firm exploited its home country's weaker free speech protections to secure an unconstitutional injunction against EFF. Kurt Opsahl, EFF's deputy executive director and general counsel, hailed the ruling as a victory for free speech. "We knew all along the speech was protected by the First Amendment," Opsahl said in a phone interview Friday. "We were pleased to see the court agree." Opsahl said the ruling sends a strong message EFF and other speakers can weigh in on important topics, like patent reform, without fear of being muzzled by foreign court orders.

The dispute stems from an article EFF published in June 2016, featuring GEMSA in its "Stupid Patent of the Month" series. The GEMSA patent is for a "virtual cabinet" to store data. In the article, EFF staff attorney Daniel Nazer called GEMSA a "classic patent troll" that uses its patent on graphic representations of data storage to sue "just about anyone who runs a website." The article also says GEMSA "appears to have no business other than patent litigation."

The judge granted EFF a default judgment, saying the Australian court's injunction was not only unenforceable in the United States but also "repugnant" to the U. S. Constitution.

70 comments

  1. Gotta wonder, by jenningsthecat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    if the outcome would have been the same had the firm in question been American rather than Australian. I have the impression that US courts are much more likely to condemn such overreaches when they are foreign than when they are domestic.

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    1. Re: Gotta wonder, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Apples to oranges. This was all about telling a foreign country to shove their court orders that try to tell Americans what they can and cannot do in the US.

    2. Re:Gotta wonder, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      What we need in the US is a loser pays system. You want to sue, go ahead but if you lose you pay both sides lawyers fees and court costs.

      That would stop the BS lawsuits quickly.

    3. Re:Gotta wonder, by HornWumpus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Loser pays own bill plus the lower of the lawyer bills to opposing counsel. Unless lawyers themselves and self representing, then idiot pays other side's bill.

      Otherwise big money will be toxic to sue.

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    4. Re: Gotta wonder, by sabri · · Score: 5, Informative

      This was all about telling a foreign country to shove their court orders that try to tell Americans what they can and cannot do in the US.

      The most important part of this ruling is this:

      The judge granted EFF a default judgment, saying the Australian court's injunction was "repugnant" to the U. S. Constitution.

      The term "repugnant" was not chosen arbitrarily. It's a legal term used when litigators attempt to "domesticate" a foreign judgement in the U.S. This is a process where a U.S. court will recognize a foreign court's judgement as equal to and enforceable in the U.S. California law says:

      a court in California is not required to recognize a foreign-country judgment if any of the following apply:

      (3) The judgment of the cause of action or claim for relief upon which the judgment is based is repugnant to the public policy of the State of California or the United States.

      In other words: while this judgement was delivered by a federal judge, no California court will recognize any Australian's court award of monetary damages based on this verdict.

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    5. Re: Gotta wonder, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Whereas all precedents are American courts trying to enforce their judgements in other countries?

      No sirree, them aint no Apples, them thar is Samsungs^H^H^H^H^Horangutangs.

    6. Re: Gotta wonder, by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      And if a California judge wishes to indicate a particular judgement should not be considered legal precedent, they are required to use the phrase "stinks like Ishtar".

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    7. Re:Gotta wonder, by pedz · · Score: 1

      There is no "I" in "Borg".

      Not uhh..!!! not by the time Apple gets done with it: iBorg

    8. Re:Gotta wonder, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... than when they are domestic.

      That view is likely true of the judicial branch of all countries. It's unbalanced because Australia has proven they're a US lapdog willing to obey all US rules, and with only 2 rights (fair trial, political vote), the Australian people can be deprived of almost everything (and a spate of national security laws mean they have been).

    9. Re:Gotta wonder, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      American's only have 1 right. The right to be massacred by a lone gunman.
      Okay.it's also 2, you get sky faries as well.

    10. Re:Gotta wonder, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kim Dotcom and NZ
      Wikileaks and Assuage
      Russian virus writers

      US is trying to enforce its laws and makeup in a foreign country, even though the evidence its tainted.

      Like international law, the us recognizes the stuff its chooses to.

    11. Re:Gotta wonder, by slashrio · · Score: 0

      It's the other way around.
      The government wants the exclusive right to slaughter its population.
      2nd amendment stands in their way though as population can defend themselves.
      So they set up those shootings by some fake 'lone wolf' with access to weapons in order to whip the population into abandoning the 2nd.
      Then the shit hits the fan.
      Why else would it be forbidden for Joe average to possess protective gear?

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    12. Re:Gotta wonder, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The government doesn't need the right, it already has the ability...
      Because Americans aren't even civilised enough to even use defensive protections appropriately.

    13. Re:Gotta wonder, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I prefer if both parties paid into a central pot which was divided equally between both sides. If you want to bring a $1M/mo lawyer, fine, but you have to pay for mine too.

      Of course, this would create downwards pressure on legal costs, which is unimaginable in a country ruled by lawyers.

    14. Re:Gotta wonder, by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Makes contingency cases unworkable.

      Shysters would file garbage cases with judgement proof clients to milk it.

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    15. Re:Gotta wonder, by slashrio · · Score: 1

      But there are a lot of guns around.

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  2. Who was stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The ones that claimed for the patent, or the patent itself.

    1. Re:Who was stupid? by slickwillie · · Score: 3, Funny

      GEMSA is currently trying to get a patent on stupidity to protect itself.

    2. Re:Who was stupid? by grep+-v+'.*'+* · · Score: 1

      patent on stupidity

      Sorry, there's existing prior use. I was just reading the other day a cave explorer found on a wall: "Grog, here, hold beer. Watch th"

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  3. Sounds like a job for another trade deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That'll fix it.

  4. This does not change a thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the EFF does not take the page down, they will still be in contempt of the Australian court. There may be consequences because of that..

    1. Re:This does not change a thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      EFF disbands, hippy lawyers get real jobs.

    2. Re:This does not change a thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No there will be absolutely no bad consequences.

    3. Re:This does not change a thing by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2

      There may be consequences because of that..

      Only in Australia...

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    4. Re:This does not change a thing by jonwil · · Score: 1

      What I want to know is which piece of Australian legislation gives the Australian courts any kind of jurisdiction over content hosted in a foreign country and why the judge in Australia thinks they have any right to make a court order against a site located in the USA.

    5. Re:This does not change a thing by Pseudonym · · Score: 2

      In this case, South Australian defamation law.

      Australia's justice system is almost as adversarial as America's, and the EFF did not turn up to court to defend itself. As such, the argument that any order was unenforceable was never presented to the court. GEMSA probably only had to show that the EFF publishes in Australia by virtue of the fact that their web site is visible in Australia.

      This may seem like affrontery on behalf of the court, but the fact is they only considered one side of the argument.

      Just in case it isn't clear, I think the EFF did the right thing by fighting this in a US court and not an Australian court. I'm merely pointing out that this sort of ruling is inevitable if one party doesn't defend itself, and it's not necessarily the court's fault.

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    6. Re:This does not change a thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In all probability the plaintiff will get the court to block the EFF website through ISP blocking rules in Australia.

    7. Re: This does not change a thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's really amazing when perversion of justice is a core part of a country's legal system. Even better when people defend it. And all for the pretense of the judges being impartial, as if they were robots.
      Formality and process over fairness. Because that's how one defines justice...

    8. Re: This does not change a thing by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      Not defending, just explaining.

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    9. Re:This does not change a thing by slashrio · · Score: 1

      ...it's not necessarily the court's fault.

      Me court. Me stupid. Me don't want to check merits of case. Me just hear one argument only. Me cannot think about validity. Me don't know where is ... U s Of A??

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    10. Re:This does not change a thing by slashrio · · Score: 2

      Me court. Me stupid. Me thinks TOR is son of Odan. Me thinks IP numbers don't exist. Me rulez!

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    11. Re: This does not change a thing by slashrio · · Score: 1

      Me stupid. You explain much better.

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    12. Re:This does not change a thing by Pseudonym · · Score: 2

      Don't look so smug. U s of A did the same thing with Kim Dotcom.

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  5. THE EFF IS ON MY CHRISTMAS LIST by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These guys deserve a gift. a lotta gifts!

    https://supporters.eff.org/donate
    https://www.eff.org/helpout

  6. OUTBACK STEAKHOUSE SUCKS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Damn right there will be consequences.
    DAVE JONES FOR PRIME MINISTER.

  7. Free speeh in Australia (or lack of thereof) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Before we had one stupid patent. Now we have one stupid patent and one stupid Australian court.

    Freedom of speech in Australia is in a pathetic state.
    In 2013 some student of QUT (a Queensland university) went in a computer lab. The supervisor asked if they where aborigines.
    They say they weren't and they were kicked out. Note that the lab was not signposted as aborigines only.
    As a citizen, I didn't even know that such thing existed or, indeed, could exist.
    Anyway, the students, thinking they were living in a democratic country, and not in North Korea, wrote sarcastic messages on FB,
    like "Just got kicked out of the unsigned Indigenous computer room. QUT stopping segregation with segregation?"
    Another "I wonder where the white supremacist computer lab is. "
    Other, more offensive posts were never proven to be from the person who appeared to own the account.

    The supervisor took offense, and, after, the university process went nowhere, she went to the Australian
    Human Right Commission. Some people were bullied in paying $5K in compensation.
    Other resisted and went to court :
    http://theconversation.com/qut-discrimination-case-exposes-human-rights-commission-failings-68235

    The judge laughed off the case but the students that resisted ended up paying more than $5K in
    court costs.

    I'm writing this as this shameful episode must be known worldwide.

    1. Re:Free speeh in Australia (or lack of thereof) by lucm · · Score: 1

      Looks like that lady who tried to sue them lost and went bankrupt over this.

      http://www.couriermail.com.au/...

      She really tried to become famous and make a buck on this, but she lost everything. Looks to me like the system worked.

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    2. Re:Free speeh in Australia (or lack of thereof) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, worked so well. Ask the students that had to pay court cost and have their life through the meatgrinder for a few years. Just think if it were you.

    3. Re:Free speeh in Australia (or lack of thereof) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      redirect to register and pay to read this shit

    4. Re:Free speeh in Australia (or lack of thereof) by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      They ruined everybody's life. Win-win!

    5. Re:Free speeh in Australia (or lack of thereof) by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      Like that never happens in the UK or the USA?

      Nobody (apart from Andrew Bolt's fanboys) thinks the law is bad. The students were legally in the right and legally vindicated. It's just that the law was administered badly, and again, Australia isn't exactly alone here.

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    6. Re:Free speeh in Australia (or lack of thereof) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Australia isn't exactly alone here."

      And that makes it right ?
      A system that allows this is fucked. I would really like to see what would you think of a system that completely SCREWS you over
      for something you said that might have offended someone, somewhere, however slight.
      "But the court vindicated them". Yes, EVENTUALLY, after they were left with debts and their life suspended for a few years while
      they should have been busy completing their studies,
      You are the type of person that will only understand that until it happens to you. It reminds me of those religious nuts that are anti euthanasia
      until they see someone they love dying in horrible pain. The same that believe that people should not be able to divorce until they are stuck in
      a hell marriage. The type of person that : it hasn't happened to me so who gives a fuck, the system is so good.
      Selfish crap.

    7. Re:Free speeh in Australia (or lack of thereof) by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      And that makes it right ?

      Nobody claimed that.

      My problem is that Australian discourse on this was really fucked up for a while. People were arguing about everything except the actual problem.

      The point of AHRC mediation is precisely so that cases like this avoid going to court and nobody gets too inconvenienced if a case is meritless. problem is that The AHRC dropped the ball, making the process itself the punishment.

      Contrary to what lucm said, the system didn't work. But more to the point, the system didn't work as designed.

      This sums up my feelings about the whole clusterfuck, except that I think the AHRC's incompetence is the problem, not 18C itself.

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    8. Re:Free speeh in Australia (or lack of thereof) by PrimaryConsult · · Score: 1

      Here's an article with no paywall:
      Judge Denies QUT Admin's Racism Appeal

    9. Re:Free speeh in Australia (or lack of thereof) by lucm · · Score: 1

      Yeah, worked so well. Ask the students that had to pay court cost and have their life through the meatgrinder for a few years. Just think if it were you.

      Did you read the story? They sued her for those court costs and won.

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    10. Re:Free speeh in Australia (or lack of thereof) by lucm · · Score: 1

      My favorite part:

      Ms Prior had argued she was unable to continue working face-to-face with white people following a series of Facebook posts made after Mr Wood was asked to leave an Indigenous-only computer lab at QUT in 2013.

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    11. Re:Free speeh in Australia (or lack of thereof) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tend to agree that AHRC is the biggest problem, I feel more neutral towards the law itself : I spoke of "the system" not of the law per se.
      I still think something should be done to avoid a repetition of a similar case.

    12. Re:Free speeh in Australia (or lack of thereof) by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      It sucks, certainly, but this is just one overzealous woman with an agenda. The university and the law didn't support her.

    13. Re:Free speeh in Australia (or lack of thereof) by slashrio · · Score: 1
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  8. Disbar the lawyers. by WCMI92 · · Score: 2

    There needs to be much more of that. Lawsuits like this shouldnâ(TM)t be brought and the way to discourage them is to take away the milk.

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    1. Re:Disbar the lawyers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Please, if we started disbarring lawyers for bad conduct, there wouldn't be a single one of them left.

      I mean, PLEASE, let's start disbarring lawyers for bad conduct, until there isn't a single one of them left.

  9. Re: cue the stupid EFF fans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you gonna cry?

  10. This Is Absurd by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

    That a company in one nation can even utilize the laws of another country against a company residing within it is just wrong. This is everything wrong with globalism. It's bad enough having multiple states where someone across the country can have a say in anything impacting your life, but across national boundaries is just beyond corrupt.

    1. Re:This Is Absurd by St.Creed · · Score: 1

      Well, jurisdiction is normally a good idea. If I reside in the EU and hack your computer, it is actually helpful that you can go to your own countries legal system and get redress, instead of having to go abroad for justice. Vice versa, noone would be able to afford justice in the USA if they don't live there, so it also prevents inhabitants of rich countries from abusing those of poorer countries. Well, not if the gap is too big, but if the gap is not that big you're going to be able to get justice somewhere.

      Suppose it wasn't in place. That would make contracts unenforceable. How would you like to do business with anyone overseas then? That would be a huge problem. Basically, there's a good reason why jurisdictions and international treaties evolved. A lot of it is unpalatable to me, but it's not quite as insane as you'd think.

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    2. Re:This Is Absurd by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 0

      International relations are the jurisdiction of the government, not the local courts. It's the same as it ever has been: the country with the biggest military makes the rules. If someone from another nation is poisoning wells in your outlying region and you have a big enough military you go push their shit in, if not you suck it up because you can't do anything. An attempt at international courts or courts which act over international boundaries is just an attempt to usurp US authority. Our tax dollars paid for the internet, our corporations built out the internet, our nation owns the internet. Others are free to make their own (because we shared the technology,) they aren't free to dictate what we do on it. Anyone saying otherwise is either an actual traitor or a foreigner who's opinion is irrelevant.

    3. Re:This Is Absurd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Courts are part of the government.

    4. Re:This Is Absurd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well spoken pad're, raising the yeomanry silver and red auroche flag of production and violence! Grind the lisping legalist toady under-hoof. Rave on good fellow rave on !

  11. y aussie no git gud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Australian law is so shamefully embarrassing due to them being the most disconnected out of all the English speaking countries. There are many third world countries with far greater Internet capabilities. Many new users from there exhibit fascist obsessions with foreign powers. If a dictatorship forms there I don't know if anyone will be able to stomach going to war with a fellow English speaking country.

    That is why I am trying my best to put together care packages of content to acclimate new Australians to the web. If anyone would like to contribute to project flood them with lulz then I recommend using simple high compression images with a clear message. Example: https://tinyurl.com/ybl4xg8b

    1. Re:y aussie no git gud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but...GUNS.

    2. Re:y aussie no git gud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nice one mate, you forgot to mention how many time the British and Americans have interfered with our legal system and democratic process so you can exploit us. We hate patent trolls here too, but America invented them. Just because they exist here doesn't mean we want them here.

  12. Re:OUTBACK STEAKHOUSE SUCKS by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

    OUTBACK STEAKHOUSE SUCKS

    Never heard of it, mate. But steak sounds good.

    Damn right there will be consequences.
    DAVE JONES FOR PRIME MINISTER.

    What, you mean the Monkee or Bowie? They're both dead, mate.

    Besides, they'd have to give up their citizenship. We take Section 44(i) seriously these days.

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  13. Re:OUTBACK STEAKHOUSE SUCKS by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 1

    Slogan: "Government. Don't turn it on, take it apart!"

  14. "...defamatory, false, and malicious slander." by Michael+Woodhams · · Score: 1

    From GEMSA's cease and desist letter "... to write you in relation to the defamatory, false and malicious slander which you and Electronic Frontier Foundation made concerning our client..."

    There really can only be one response:
    "I resent that! Slander is spoken. In print, it's libel."

    (In passing, I find it curious that they say "to write you" rather than "to write to you". Previously I've only seen the former construction from Americans, but this is an Australian law firm.)

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  15. This is the response Google wanted by davecb · · Score: 1

    Google got a US judgement that they need not obey a Canadian Supreme Court order (a temporary restraining order), but it wasn't about free speech, just commecial speech, by which they meant advertisements for stolen hardware designs.

    They would have been far happier if the Canadian case was the <expletive deleted> pile of crap the Australian one was.

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  16. Same approach for US itself by manu0601 · · Score: 2

    US could follow the same approach of this ruling, and stop issuing fines for businesses that broke US law outside of US.

    1. Re:Same approach for US itself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Totally agree. The USA loves to impose it's laws on other countires and cries foul when other contries try to return the favour. Hypocrisy at it's finest!

  17. About time... by rnturn · · Score: 1

    Virtual disk/containers/whatever have been around for a long time; almost certainly before this damned company even existed. (It's hard to describe the intensity of the hate I have for companies like this.)

    We used to manage/store datasets in virtual disks (mounting them in a way akin to using Linux's loopback device) on RSX-11 fer gawd's sake.

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  18. Funny.. by SuperDre · · Score: 1

    This is a funny outcome, as the US courts think they have any jurisdiction over other countries by doing exactly the same as the Australian court. So with this outcome, it also nullifies any US court decision on any other countries judgement.