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We'll Never Legalize Bitcoin, Says Russian Minister (siliconangle.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: In yet another backflip worthy of the Moscow Circus, a Russian minister has said that the country will never legalize bitcoin, just seven months after another government minister said it was considering making it legal. Minister of Communications and Mass Media Nikolai Nikiforov made the statement this week, saying that "bitcoin is a foreign project for using blockchain technology, the Russian law will never consider bitcoin as a legal entity in the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation." Recognizing that blockchain technology is separate to bitcoin, Nikiforov went on to say that "I think that it is quite possible to use blockchain technology and the use of various digital tokens." Those tokens may constitute a Russian-issued cryptocurrency. TASS reported that "Russia's Communication Ministry has submitted to the government the document containing technical details related to cryptocurrencies adoption."

55 comments

  1. in soviet russia.. by zr · · Score: 3, Funny

    ..the system games you

    1. Re:in soviet russia.. by Freischutz · · Score: 2

      In Putin's Russia the currency encrypts YOU!

  2. Re:Dear FDA... by WorBlux · · Score: 2

    Wrong article guys, sorry

  3. The more you tighten your grip... by darthsilun · · Score: 4, Informative

    the more star systems will slip through your fingers

    VPNs, encryption, Tor, the value of the Ruble. Keep trying Russia. It will be interesting to watch it play out.

    1. Re:The more you tighten your grip... by Kiuas · · Score: 3, Interesting

      VPNs, encryption, Tor,

      Are all already banned in Russia. ISPs are madated by law to prevent the use of Tor/proxies/VPNs because they can be used to access 'extremist material'.

      It's really descriptive of just how totalitarian the country has become that they're hard at work at out-Chinaing China itself when it comes to the control of the internet.

      This is not to say there won't be those who still have access to Tor and VPNs, especially to those who're friends of the right people, but for the common folk this makes it really hard.

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      "It is the business of the future to be dangerous" -Alfred North Whitehead
    2. Re:The more you tighten your grip... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's really descriptive of just how totalitarian the country has become that they're hard at work at out-Chinaing China itself when it comes to the control of the internet.

      Important distinction: China is actually enforcing those kind of laws against its people. In Russia, on the other hand, the severity of the laws is greatly mitigated by the fact that nobody gives a shit about the laws.

    3. Re: The more you tighten your grip... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not true. The law about vpns allows to block public vpns that refuse to block blacklisted sites. I live in russia and it's totalitarian my ass.

  4. Backflip? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    A few months ago they were considering it. After consideration they decided not to allow it. How is that a "backflip"?

    1. Re:Backflip? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In the Ritalin-free Extreme Universe, where everything is raised to the power of Bob and the Founding Fathers, a finished administrative process is equivalent to a Benji jump.

    2. Re:Backflip? by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      Exactly. FTFA :

      ... a Russian minister has said that the country will never legalize bitcoin, just seven months after another government minister said it was considering making it legal

      They considered it and as a result of that consideration they decided against it. I have considered and decided against it myself.

  5. Never say never... by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2

    Especially when money is involved.

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  6. Re: Not concerned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Communism fails every time, doesnâ(TM)t matter who tries it.

  7. In Bitcoin global decentral empire by presidenteloco · · Score: 0

    Russia (government) is vainglorious irrelevant autocracy.

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    Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
    1. Re:In Bitcoin global decentral empire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Russia (government) is vainglorious irrelevant autocracy.

      Not so vaingloriously irrelevant for those living within its reach.

    2. Re:In Bitcoin global decentral empire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A vainglorious autocracy with nukes, I think is what you really meant to say?

    3. Re:In Bitcoin global decentral empire by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Vainglorious yes, but hardly irrelevant. Nowadays there are more stories on Slashdot about Russia than about Linux.

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  8. No confidence in the Ruble by seoras · · Score: 2

    They probably can't afford to undermine the value of the Ruble any more than the sanctions imposed by Obama did to it.
    That and it's lack of traceability in a state that still loves to monitor everything everyone does.
    The soviets lost through economic warfare and Russia today is still taking a hammering on that front.
    The day they legalise BTC is probably the day it peaks and nose dives due to interested parties pulling plugs on that route.
    1BTC = US$9,385 as I type this in. No oil or gold to back it, just ease of storage and movement and no, or limited, traceability.
    If Russia started selling it's oil & gas in BTC today's $9K a coin would soon look like a bargain price.

    1. Re:No confidence in the Ruble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If Russia started selling it's oil & gas in BTC today's $9K a coin would soon look like a bargain price.

      BTC is not a currency, it's a vehicle for speculation. Why would anyone spend a BTC to buy anything today when waiting even a few weeks or months results in massive gains? It's the same problem that any economy would experience with a rapidly appreciating currency. Why buy now when you can wait and buy more tomorrow? Eventually people stop using the rapidly appreciating currency for every day exchanges and it ceases to be a currency and becomes instead a speculative asset at best or the fodder for tomorrows burst bubble at worst. Look up the history of the tulip bubble or the South Sea Bubble or the Mississippi Company Bubble and you will understand that despite the novelty of Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies, we've seen this economic experiment before and we know what the end result will be.

    2. Re:No confidence in the Ruble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Bitcoin and other blockchain systems have one use: as a perfect money laundering vehicle. Yes, it's an 'asset' bubble, but the ones doing the most transactions don't care, and since it's not tied to something with a real value, like land, they can let it inflate infinitely. It is in effect the perfect fiat currency, completely imaginary. Russia knows what it is and will only allow a blockchain variation which they have modified to be trackable so that they can get a cut.

    3. Re:No confidence in the Ruble by BabyAndTheButterfly · · Score: 1

      you forgot to mention beanie babies and EMP to make your bullshit post complete

    4. Re:No confidence in the Ruble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BTC is not a currency, it's a vehicle for speculation. Why would anyone spend a BTC to buy anything today when waiting even a few weeks or months results in massive gains? It's the same problem that any economy would experience with a rapidly appreciating currency.

      Why would anyone spend USD to buy goods/services today when they could buy BTC instead?

      Does it matter if Bitcoin is a currency? It seems you'd get the same effect if Bitcoin were just a speculative asset.

  9. Re: Not concerned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'd argue that Native Americans were communists and it worked very well indeed.

  10. In capitalist America... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    ...Bitcoin legalizes you.

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  11. Russiophobia by William+Baric · · Score: 3

    Moscow "circus"? I'm seriously tired of this anti-Russia propaganda bullshit. I understand our two minutes of hate makes us feel good and let us forget how degenerated our Western democracies have become, but isn't it time to stop and to try to fix our countries instead of seeking a bogeyman?

    Oh, and before another idiot say I'm a Rusky, my nickname is my real name and I live in Montreal, Canada.

    1. Re:Russiophobia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot is a pretty sad place these days, I'm not sure what happened. Perhaps they'll just blame their president as usual.
      Greetings from Ontario.

    2. Re:Russiophobia by drinkypoo · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Moscow "circus"? I'm seriously tired of this anti-Russia propaganda bullshit.

      It's a natural response to the pro-Russia bullshit propaganda, which has grown to massive proportions here on Slashdot in the last few years.

      I understand our two minutes of hate makes us feel good and let us forget how degenerated our Western democracies have become, but isn't it time to stop and to try to fix our countries instead of seeking a bogeyman?

      In short, no. There's lots of good evidence that they did in fact tamper with our political process in ways which are explicitly illegal here, and for good reasons.

      Oh, and before another idiot say I'm a Rusky, my nickname is my real name and I live in Montreal, Canada.

      I don't know if you're a Russkie, but I do know you're repeating their propaganda when you talk about "degenerated" "Western democracies".

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    3. Re:Russiophobia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      shill much? i've been frequenting this site nearly every day for the last decade or so. never have i seen a shred of anything "pro-Russia". if anything, posts mentioning Russia always had some jab against it.

      enough with the propaganda. stfu already. get over your election loss and stop spamming your butthurt everywhere.

    4. Re: Russiophobia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're still a cocksucker.

    5. Re:Russiophobia by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      shill much? i've been frequenting this site nearly every day for the last decade or so. never have i seen a shred of anything "pro-Russia".

      That's interesting, because your (anonymous, cowardly) comment is exactly how Russian trolls operate.

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    6. Re:Russiophobia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was a pun about the actual "Moscow Circus". You known, the national Circus, with acrobats and clowns ?

    7. Re:Russiophobia by William+Baric · · Score: 1

      There is not a single piece of evidence Russia "tampered" with your elections. Not a single one. You are just repeating the bullshit American propaganda.

    8. Re:Russiophobia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm, I don't remember noticing this supposed "pro-Russia propaganda". Where are all those posts extolling Putin, or the virtues of the political or economic regime in today's Russia? Or Russia's humanitarianism and care for human life and dignity in its foreign interventions? ... or do you just mean that "The Russians aren't responsible for the Democratic Party and Clinton's failures" is pro-Russian propaganda?

    9. Re:Russiophobia by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      There is not a single piece of evidence Russia "tampered" with your elections. Not a single one. You are just repeating the bullshit American propaganda.

      Will you still be saying that when you find out specifically who's been trolling you?

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    10. Re:Russiophobia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fixing Unicode support in Slashdot is an infinitely more tractable problem than fixing a country of which inhabitants don't think is broken in any way. That applies to both sides of the Atlantic and the Pacific. You just have to listen to those religious people in the US what they say about various parts of Europe to see the problem. And Slashdot is still broken. And the Moscow circus gave impressive performances back in the day. Hopefully it still does that.

    11. Re:Russiophobia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is a circus because in Russia we see a complete merging of government and transnational organized crime. Yes we see the same elsewhere but in Moscow there really are bodies in the streets and they don't even pretend.

    12. Re:Russiophobia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      @William Baric
      parles-tu français? (juste curieux)

  12. don't misoverestimate security tools vs big gov by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    VPNs, encryption, Tor,...

    Snowden showed the conflict between prior public perception of the utility of most internet related communication tools and what the government really thought of their effectiveness. And that was a government with at least half a historical foot in the liberty and free speech game. If I were a russian citizen I sure as hell wouldn't trust my personal safety to tor/vpn/encryption. Maybe those are the kinds of things you use for a Snowden level moment-in-history data transfer to journalists, but definitely nothing I'd feel secure in using day to day. Day to day a government has fair to say plenty of opportunity to work around some relatively minor obstacles. When such a government encounters real obstacles, buildings get burned down, the earth gets salted, etc. If the Russian government doesn't want its citizens using Tor or VPNs or encryption, I'm guessing that's pretty much exactly what is going to happen. The real dissident movements against totalitarianism aren't going to really be using Tor or VPNs for their day to day typical communication needs. Except in so far as to blend in with the crowd they'll use them exactly as much as the average person. In fact they are probably most useful at counterintelligence, i.e. knowing they are not actually secure, and filling those pipes with information they want the authorities to think they are trying to hide.

  13. Re:Not concerned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yep, that's why they lost that little dustup back in '45.

  14. Re:Legal or not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lol... i like your style!

  15. That's not a Back-flip by dwillden · · Score: 3, Informative

    Changing the official position after several months of study is not a back flip. Seven months ago one minister says they are considering it. That means they were looking into it, not that it was absolutely going to be approved. Now after those months of study and debate they have decided that it will not be adopted.

    That's called studying an issue and announcing the conclusions after the study. Not a backflip. A back flip would be minister A saying Bitcoin will be adopted, and then a short time later, Minister B saying that it would never be accepted, without giving any reason for the change in position.

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  16. Until we can game that system too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But is already gamed, money is an illusion and wealth is not money but resources.

  17. Re: Not concerned by c6gunner · · Score: 1

    Really? Which means of production were owned by which "Native American" state?

    "No, that sharpened stick isn't yours; it belongs to the glorious motherland, as does the rabbit you killed with it."

  18. Russian-issued cryptocurrency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go on, do that. Any state issued cryptocurrency will make buying bitcoin trivial and throw the banks out of the loop. Even pure p2p exchanges with "fiat" will be possible.

  19. DIY Cryptocurrency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you want mine your own crypto currency, you need a motherboard with 19 PCIe 1X slots to plug in 19 GPUs and a couple of 1200W PSUs.

  20. Yeah good luck enforcing that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lucky for everyone, Bitcoin doesn't give a fuck whether the authorities in a country consider it to be 'legal' or not. Bitcoin just does what Bitcoin does. Good luck trying to stop it.