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Facebook Launches New Messenger App for Young Kids -- What Could Possibly Go Wrong? (gizmodo.com)

More than one billion people use Facebook's Messenger app to communicate every month. Now the social juggernaut is going after the younger audience. On Monday, it announced Messenger Kids, a standalone mobile app designed for children age 13 and under. From a report: The app, Messenger Kids, is a messaging service that gives parents authority over who their kids can chat with. Once a parent adds someone to their child's contact list through the main Facebook app, kids can video chat as well as send photos, videos, and texts, or pick something from "a library of kid-appropriate and specially chosen GIFs, frames, stickers, masks, and drawing tools," according to Facebook's announcement post. [...] A Facebook spokesperson said in an email to Gizmodo, "We've built automated systems that can detect things like nudity, violence, and child exploitative imagery to help limit that content from being shared on Messenger Kids. We also have blocking and reporting mechanisms, and have a dedicated team of human reviewers that review all content that is reported."

62 comments

  1. If ElsaGate is any indicator; lots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Bottom line, don't leave your kids unsupervised with anonymous strangers.

    1. Re:If ElsaGate is any indicator; lots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      here kiddy kiddy! Did you mention me anonymous stranger? I am here to supervise the touching of your bottom...line.

  2. Kids use Facebook?? by fluffernutter · · Score: 0

    Mine certainly don't.

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    1. Re:Kids use Facebook?? by fuzznutz · · Score: 1

      Mine certainly don't.

      They HAVE a Facebook account, but they all use Instagram and Snapchat. The Facebook account is just for show for parents.

  3. Zuckerberg by Zorro · · Score: 3, Funny

    Would YOU leave a kid alone with Mark Zuckerberg?

    He has already raped the internet.

    1. Re: Zuckerberg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1 Truth

      hurts dont it zuck suckers?

  4. 80085 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


     

  5. Mystifying by OYAHHH · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is truly a mystery as to how some people think they can take a product, which should only be consumed by adults, and attempt to reconstitute it into a form which is acceptable to be consumed by children.

    Hey Facebook, they are kids, leave them alone!

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    1. Re:Mystifying by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's truly a mystery to me that people think communication should only be consumed by adults.

    2. Re:Mystifying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Flintstones chewable morphine!

    3. Re:Mystifying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's truly a mystery to me that Facebook equals communication.

    4. Re:Mystifying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not about that at all. Its about fencing off a very lucrative demographic in order to serve ads with better precision.

      That it makes it easier for the pedos to find them doesn't even factor into their thinking. Just ask YouTube.

      This will be a wonderful farce in 6 months when it blows up the same way.

    5. Re:Mystifying by Isaac-Lew · · Score: 1

      Ever watch any of the 1930s-era Disney, Warner Brothers & MGM cartoon shorts?

      No way were most of those cartoons for children.

    6. Re:Mystifying by Blue+Stone · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's truly a mystery to me that people think their communication and relationships with their friends, family members and loved-ones should be watched over, tracked and monitored, data-mined, commodified, traded and exploited for profit by a global multi-billion-dollar corporation.

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    7. Re: Mystifying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/drug-ads/83894590/

    8. Re: Mystifying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the content can be reviewed then that means everything is stored. Who could believe Facebook does nothing with that content? I doubt this is only to give kids a safe place to communicate.

    9. Re: Mystifying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not? Google, Micros~1, Apple, and others all try as hard as possible to get kids locked into their ecosystems as young as possible.

      People accept that just fine.

    10. Re:Mystifying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey Facebook, they are kids, leave them alone!

      As in "Hey, Facebook, leave them kids alone!" ??

    11. Re:Mystifying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Contrast: 6 digit user ID vs 7 digit user ID.

  6. Evil by omfglearntoplay · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They know getting them early is a nice way to get people comfortable (aka hooked). As bad as big tobacco?

    Well, I can't wait for one of my kid's friends to ask for him to get onto Facebook so he can message him. HAHAHA, NO.

    1. Re:Evil by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They know getting them early is a nice way to get people comfortable (aka hooked). As bad as big tobacco?

      Getting people hooked to communicating with other people? Fucking sign my kids up. We have enough anti-social loners in the world as it is.

    2. Re:Evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Getting people hooked to communicating with other people? Fucking sign my kids up. We have enough anti-social loners in the world as it is.

      No. How about enrolling your kid in an after school activity instead?

    3. Re:Evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah great just what the internet needs, more newfag kids.
      Tell them to lurk moar.

    4. Re:Evil by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      Getting people hooked to communicating with other people? Fucking sign my kids up. We have enough anti-social loners in the world as it is.

      I remember those pre-internet and cell phone days. Everyone just sat by themselves in dark rooms with no form of communication to those around them. Miserable times indeed.

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    5. Re:Evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mm... Yes... staring vapidly into a cellphone is certainly a great way to clear out those anti-social losers.

    6. Re:Evil by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Ahhh but you're aiming for a goal that is no longer achievable. This story is about Messenger vs non messenger. No about changing an entire generation to be outdoor kids again.

      Guess what, times have changed. What kind of an irresponsible parent lets a child go outside anyway. They could get hurt!*

      *Yes some people think like that.

    7. Re:Evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's called meeting humans in person. If you give kids the lazier option of communicating electronically, then that's not going to give them much experience in the real world. It's a recipe for more anti-social loners in the world, not less.

      You mean I can't just disconnect and walk away from the conversation at any moment if I want? That's rude? And I can't say anything I want without seeing the immediate reaction in their tone of voice and their face? Oh. I didn't know that. I'm only used to on-line.

    8. Re:Evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know right? Alternatively, we had to actually socialize with people face to face - talk about awkward.

    9. Re:Evil by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      Right, because Facebook is the only way people can communicate...

    10. Re:Evil by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      You think Facebook is about communicating with other people? HAHAHAHA....

    11. Re:Evil by grantdh · · Score: 0

      They know getting them early is a nice way to get people comfortable (aka hooked). As bad as big tobacco?

      Why not, it's worked with religions for millenia :)

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    12. Re:Evil by antdude · · Score: 1

      They communicate online, but not in person. :P

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    13. Re:Evil by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      No, it's the only way people "do" communicate. You could try telling your kid to go play outside and visit a friend. See how well that works for you.

    14. Re:Evil by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      No they don't. They're under 13 and not allowed to. Or are you agreeing with me that this arbitrary rule of banning communications mediums to under 13 year olds as all current platforms do is stupid?

    15. Re:Evil by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      You think Facebook is about communicating with other people? HAHAHAHA....

      I'll bite. What IS Facebook about?

    16. Re:Evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because of a law called COPPA (Children's Online Privacy Protection Act) that forbids collecting information of any kind from a child under 13, this includes emails and usernames.

    17. Re:Evil by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      It worked very well. She's in nursing school right now and spent plenty of time playing outside.

      It is sad that you think FB is the 'only way people "do" communicate'.

    18. Re:Evil by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      She's in nursing school right now

      So a member of a different generation making everything you said irrelevant. Why didn't you just open with that?

  7. Half the kids will be Pedos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and the other half FBI.

    And Mark Zuckerberg will show up in a Panda one piece costume with removeable bottom flap.

    1. Re: Half the kids will be Pedos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Convenience.

      "Ribbed for their pleasure"

  8. Wonâ(TM)t somebody think of the children! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh they did.

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  10. How I Handle Messaging Authority? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My kids can message all they want with people I approve of. How do I enforce this? All messaging happens through my phone while I'm present (Facetime with relatives, text messages to plan playdates, photo sharing, etc).

    Anything else that tries to set up messaging accounts for my kids? If messaging/chat features can't be disabled, my kids can't use it.

    -Chris

    1. Re:How I Handle Messaging Authority? by rockmuelle · · Score: 1

      (reposting as myself to get some mod points)

      My kids can message all they want with people I approve of. How do I enforce this? All messaging happens through my phone while I'm present (Facetime with relatives, text messages to plan playdates, photo sharing, etc).

      Anything else that tries to set up messaging accounts for my kids? If messaging/chat features can't be disabled, my kids can't use it.

      -Chris

  11. We Need Credit Cards For Children!!! by dryriver · · Score: 2

    Isn't it unfair that adults get to have all sorts of cool stuff, but children don't? That is about to change with the "Kiddo Card". Its a credit card for kids, and it can do EVERYTHING an adult credit card can do. What's the difference from adult credit cards you ask? NOTHING! For the first time, kids get to play on EQUAL ground with the grownups. Kiddo Card - for a better, fairer future for all our children!

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    1. Re:We Need Credit Cards For Children!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the difference from adult credit cards you ask? NOTHING!

      You have to have a difference, otherwise it won't fly. Difference could be that 1/5th of balance is due on the kid's 18th b-day, then next 1/5th is due on 23rd bday, etc., and so on every 5 years until repaid. With all the compounded interest over the years prior to that. No bills while they're a "kid"... spend as much as you like kids!

      (staggering the balance due in 5-year intervals would ensure they can't get rid of it in a single bankruptcy).

    2. Re:We Need Credit Cards For Children!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't really see the big deal with kids having credit cards. I mean I had one when I was 13 back in the late 1990s and quite frankly I'd been purchasing stuff online for a while using money orders anyhow completely independently of begging my parents to lend me there credit card. And I had wealthier friends at that time who also had credit cards.

      I know people think this is insane, but it teaches money management skills, and might actually result in more responsible adults. The trick to making this kiddo card work and giving it a workable business model is to limit the funds borrowable to what the kid can throw at it. ie another term for this is a secured credit card.

      A secured card is exactly what they do for irresponsible adults that have bad credit, or those young people out of high school/college with no credit history. Over time the financial institution will raise the limit on the card from being what the financial institution holds of the persons money to actual credit. This actual credit all assumes that the card holder has been paying the bill on time.

      My only credit card to this day is a secured credit card I got back when I was young. I started with a $500 payment to the bank and I did have to drag my mom in with me to get it. The bank rep back then did think "He's how old?" and I was pretty sure there were no age restrictions and I said so, and she paused for a good while thinking about it and being unsure at first how they'd go about doing it, then saying something like "...yea, we can do a secured card with a parents signature and you can be the primary on the account". I still have this card and it's got a credit limit of around $5,000 USD today. In order to get the credit limit raised I have had to call the bank twice- but I haven't actually ever had any purchases over $5,000 that I haven't just paid cash for. I'm 33 and have two houses (3 bedroom two car garage, and a 4 bedroom two car garage) and three cars, today. Upper middle class I'd say with my own business. Having control over my money and my life (beyond my parents knowledge in particular) certainly helped improve my business skills and success in life.

  12. Little Big Bro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "We've built automated systems that can detect things like nudity, violence, and child exploitative imagery"

    AKA We'll scan and record everything your child does with our Little Big Bro app.

  13. But... how??? by erapert · · Score: 1
    From the summary:

    We've built automated systems that can detect things like nudity, violence, and child exploitative imagery

    Considering that all three of those are illegal... how would such a system be built?

    1. Re:But... how??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if Facebook has a system to flag and hold for review, by a human, any reported or questionable transmissions, how is it that Facebook is not distributing, storing, or facilitating the creation and dissemination of potential child pornography?

    2. Re:But... how??? by Bigbutt · · Score: 1

      On the plus side, pedophiles now have a career path.

      [John]

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      Shit better not happen!
  14. Setting up FB for serious liability by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

    Letting kids stream videos and send photos... Whoever came up with that option at Facebook is a complete moron. Simple text with a profanity filter that replicates all conversations to the parent account for review is probably fine, but photos and video are just too easy to get in trouble with.

    Just wait til one kid sends another a nude selfie, now you have a real problem.

    IMHO smart phones (note there are still dumb cell phones to be had for kids) and social media should be regulated like tobacco and alcohol and should not be available to kids under 18. There are all kinds of studies that are showing the detrimental effect that both are having on young kids.

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    1. Re: Setting up FB for serious liability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Left"CoastThinker says the internet needs to be government regulated like tobacco and alcohol. Go figure. Lol.

  15. Please tell me by bobstreo · · Score: 1

    They're not going to have the kids send nude pictures for age verification...

  16. COPPA by zenbi · · Score: 1

    This is likely just to comply with the new Children’s Online Privacy Protection Act (COPPA) that all US websites now have to follow. If the user enters their birth date (most Facebook users do, for reminders) then the company knows the user is under 13 and must then comply with a long list of new regulations.

    1. Re:COPPA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just asking: can Facebook sidestep those laws if it's built into an App rather than accessible on an actual website?

    2. Re:COPPA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *NEW* Children's Online Privacy Protection Act???? AFAIK it's been around since 1998!!!

    3. Re:COPPA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. Any kind of personal information, including email, usernames, and so on, are considered "personal information" under COPPA. Including info needed to log in to the app in the first place.

  17. I love the dichotomy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facebook: "Please send us your nude photos that we're totally only going to use to make sure your nudes are never posted on Facebook"

    Also Facebook: "Please sign your kids up for this app that totally will never have adults masquerading as children sign up for it ever."

  18. Hope they have good lawyers by Khashishi · · Score: 1

    I have no problem with a messenging app for young kids, but if they claim to protect against nudity/violence/exploitation they are opening themselves to lawsuits when those things occur. It's too bad, since the system is probably better than nothing. But this is land of lawsuits.

  19. flawless execution? right.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and everyone of facebooks implementation has been flawless right?

    " Once a parent adds someone to their child's contact list through the main Facebook app, kids can video chat as well as send photos, videos, and texts,"

    even if they are scanning for such things as nudity and violence etc, how are they going to stop people from getting the kids to switch to another messaging service? also what kid under 13 is going to understand strong password policies, meaning that these children accounts will be so much easier to hack. Unless this is a false flag honey-pot to catch pedos.

    I get how the C-suite execs think this is a good idea, with all their data mining they will be able to tailor the next iteration of facebook to suit the incoming generation. thus putting a stop to them losing more and more of the younger generation. its also more information they can sell to advertisers and marketers, but did no one even consider the unintended consequences of making children easier to target?