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Bangladesh Bank, NY Fed Discuss Suing Manila Bank For Heist Damages (reuters.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: Bangladesh's central bank has asked the Federal Reserve Bank of New York to join a lawsuit it plans to file against a Philippines bank for its role in one of the world's biggest cyber-heists, several sources said. The Fed is yet to respond formally, but there is no indication it would join the suit. Unidentified hackers stole $81 million from Bangladesh Bank's account at the New York Fed in February last year, using fraudulent orders on the SWIFT payments system. The money was sent to accounts at Manila-based Rizal Commercial Banking Corp and then disappeared into the casino industry in the Philippines.

29 comments

  1. Sounds like a good movie plot by shaitand · · Score: 1

    I mean sure, the movie would have less in common with reality than TFS by the end but the heist, the laundering through the casinos... sounds like a great start.

    1. Re:Sounds like a good movie plot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Laundering through the casinos? You've been to Vancouver.
      They're trying to bring in anti-laundering regulations to casinos after they realized ONE of the casinos was bringing in over $15M in 20 dollar bills per month. The local government people are idiots.

    2. Re:Sounds like a good movie plot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then BAM! James Bond shows up and the place dissolves into a burning wreck while he bones the hotties.

      MUTHAFUCKIN' JAMES BOND. Dah-dah-da-dahhhh-da-da-dahhhhhh!

  2. Probably involves the Trump family somehow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    MAGA indeed

  3. But, but, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Duterte is tough on crime and would never allow criminals to operate in the Philippines... heck even our president said he was a great guy

    1. Re:But, but, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Reuters report about this incident is dated March 10, 2016. It refers to the heist happening "last month", so sometime in February, 2016.

      Duterte's presidency didn't start until June 30, 2016.

      So as you can see, this incident happened well before Duterte took over as president.

      Why your comment has been modded to "3, Insightful", I cannot fathom. Your comment is total junk.

    2. Re:But, but, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoosh!

    3. Re:But, but, but... by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Well, one reason for it to be modded that way is that few in the US know much about the Philippines, but they've definitely got opinions about Trump.

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    4. Re:But, but, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, then he has caught the bad guys... or are they now his finance ministers?

  4. Real meaning of SWIFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Suspicous wired inter-bank financial transaction

  5. language of the heart foolproof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    spirit of creation failproof.. good sports with good spirits will prevail.. hang on to your hemisphere.. in the moms we trust..

  6. Precedent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    What court would hear this case? Philippines has already issued fines. If individuals (non-officers) within the bank choose to collude, can the bank be responsible if they meet minimum infosec requirements/regulations? And it's not like there are international cyber security regulations anyway. At the time, SWIFT was punk and didn't even strong recommend MFA.

    The need for an international court or tribunal, similar to maritime, is obviously necessary. But it will remain unadopted with the United States acting like morons and the rest of the world going along with it.

    I wonder how we'll behave in this regard after the singularity eliminates much of the purpose of the nation state.

    1. Re:Precedent by HiThere · · Score: 0

      You clearly have strong opinions about how the singularity will manifest...and that's in direct opposition to the very concept.

      The Technological Singularity is incredibly dangerous to humanity, and if we could depend on rational humans running things I'd be strongly in favor of avoiding it. Unfortunately, it may be our best hope for surviving the century, but I put our odds of surviving it at no more than around 60%.

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
    2. Re:Precedent by gurps_npc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If someone at the Philippines bank facilitated a theft from the Bangladesh bank, then the Bangladesh people can and SHOULD sue the Philippine bank.

      Even if some people at the Bangladesh bank also facilitated the theft.

      If your neighbor's son helps your son steal from you, damn right you would want your neighbor to at least partially reimburse you for the damage.

      Even if you are talking 10%, that's a lot of money.

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    3. Re:Precedent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If my neighbours son helps my son steal from me, my neighbour is only very tangentially at fault and probably not liable, and so suing him is only going to mean he pisses on my rose bushes when I'm not home.

    4. Re:Precedent by gurps_npc · · Score: 1

      Nope, he is DEFINITELY liable. Of course, I meant that the son was underage (Your neighbor is not liable if the son was 40 years old).

      The only question is how much he is liable. Consider a case where two ten year old boys steal one of their father's cars and crash it. If the one who was driving was not the son of the owner, I assure you the insurance company will go after the father that did not own the car. Even if the other boy stole the keys, the one that was driving will have to pay. (or rather his father will).

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  7. It was an inside job. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2, Informative
    Bangaladesh is suing Phillipines banks for purely political cover and to white wash the affair.

    It was pulled off with insiders in the bank. They knew the exact process. Orders and acknowledgements were printed and kept track of. They first disabled the printer with some innocuous manner. It is possible they caused the same failure a few times before to stop them from getting suspicious. Then on a Friday, sent the money transfer orders. Acknowledgement was stuck in the print spool. NY Fed released the funds after giving enough time for Bangaladesh to countermand or correct errors.

    It was NYFed noticing the typos and errors in the order that stopped the bleeding at 80 million dollars. If not, they would have drained ALL the funds of the government of Bangaladesh.

    Now they are opening a dog and pony show by suing Phillipines to distract the local population, politicians and the press. It was done with the complicity of the highest level officers in Bangaladesh.

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    1. Re:It was an inside job. by yaznaz · · Score: 2

      Is your claim just your personal opinion or backed by some investigation. The fact that a malware was used and FBI suspects North Korea would point to outsiders in this heist. The money was laundered via banks in Philippines - a country that has had formal ties with North Korea in past and is a familiar ground for NK operatives. And hiding laundering trace via junked operators is not an obvious strategy for a banker and reflects prior experience in such operations. I would also doubt any internal hand clever enough to pull this off would attempt a sum of $2 billion. It is simply too large to hide for someone from a small country like Bangladesh. Plus, any political angle to this would result in so many leaks that it would be impossible not to have surfaced by now with such high profile international investigation.

    2. Re:It was an inside job. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

      Is your claim just your personal opinion or backed by some investigation.

      ALL my claims are personal opinion. Sometimes it will be based on some trustworthy news source. Other times not.

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    3. Re:It was an inside job. by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      Maybe Bangladesh is just trying to recover its money.

      After all, even if they arrest the officers of the bank, give them a trial, convict them, etc., it's possible that they may never be able to recover the full amount. It's likely that there were other partners involved in receiving the money.

  8. Why is this an issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm confused why this is even an issue, it should be quite possible to simply void the transactions back to the point where it was "lost". Presumably any of the losses at that point or beyond are part of the problem (either directly or indirectly). I thought there was a reason (at least in my area) why you can't pull money out of your account beyond a certain point so that the bank can confirm any recent transactions are legitimate. Banks would be a lot more cautions about who they let run slapdash transactions through their system if they risked getting saddled with the bill. Unfortunately the banking industry seems to prefer the opposite, being allowed to pass through any transaction that runs across their desk and suffer no ill effects when it is shown that their lack even basic security measures allowed a theft to occur.

    1. Re:Why is this an issue by FeelGood314 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      SWIFT is the accounting mechanism used by the banks between each other. The banks don't have physical currency that they move between each other it is all 1s and 0s like a crypto currency. When you do personal banking the receiving bank gets the 1s and 0s almost instantly and based on the nature of the transaction they have rules to stop the recipient from moving the money but as far as SWIFT is concerned the transaction can't be reversed. Now this type of transaction is extremely common for SWIFT and other than some one in Germany noticing* that the word "foundation" was miss spelled there was no reason for the transaction to be suspicious or even to be scrutinized. There might be some rules for the Philippines bank to stop the transfer to a casino but that's not something I would put a lot of faith in.

      *I suspect that some group within SWIFT knew the Bangladesh's central bank had terrible security and were looking at all transactions above a certain amount without telling the Bangladesh's central bank. It's just too lucky that someone just happened to notice something fishy. Central banks move hundreds of millions regularly to stabilize currency or to facilitate large state transactions. Their wasn't anything suspicious about these.

  9. no heart no spirit no life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    eternally empty,, still full of it... sad story..

  10. Why is North Korea suddenly popular to blame by FeelGood314 · · Score: 2

    Suddenly North Korea is getting a lot of blame for these cyber crimes. I'm seeing a lot of headlines but almost no citations of actual evidence. I'm currently lacking a new source that I don't treat with a high degree of skepticism and articles like this don't help. The internet should make reporters lives easier but instead it makes it easier for me to fact check reporters. My fact checking is a biased sampling, I'll usually only check articles that are a "little off" but I would say nearly 90% of the time I check the reporter has gotten something significant wrong or missed something that is not only important but is also counter to the opinion the reporter was pushing. I'll pay for good news. I won't pay for someone to just echo back my opinions. That's what facebook is for.

    1. Re:Why is North Korea suddenly popular to blame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was done by Russia - not North Korea.

      Source: This post

  11. Want your money back? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Open your own casinos and send the profits to the government to benefit the people. /s.
    Not a dime would get to the people