Updated Debian Linux 9.3 and 8.10 Released (debian.org)

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Updated Debian Linux 9.3 and 8.10 Released (debian.org)

Posted by EditorDavid on Saturday December 9, 2017 @08:34AM from the stretching-stretch dept.

An anonymous reader writes: The Debian project is pleased to announce the third update of its stable distribution Debian 9 (codename stretch). This point release mainly adds corrections for security issues, along with a few adjustments for serious problems. Security advisories have already been published separately and are referenced where available. The Debian project also announces the tenth update of its oldstable distribution Debian 8 (codename jessie).

Please note that the point release does not constitute a new version of Debian 9 or 8 but only updates some of the packages included. There is no need to throw away old jessie or stretch DVD/CD media. After installation, packages can be upgraded to the current versions using an up-to-date Debian mirror. This stable update adds a few important corrections to packages. New installation images will be available soon at the mirrors. Those who frequently install updates from security.debian.org won't have to update many packages, and most such updates are included in the point release. One can use the apt command or apt-get command to apply updates. A step-by-step update guide is posted here.

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Correction by Anonymous Coward · 2017-12-09 08:39 · Score: -1

The title should read "Updated Debian GNU/Linux 9.3 and 8.10 Released." Although the OS uses a Linux kernel, the OS is also built upon GNU tools. Therefore, it is a GNU/Linux system. Please update the title accordingly.
1. Re: Correction by Anonymous Coward · 2017-12-09 08:43 · Score: 0
  
  Eat toe gunk dirty hippy
2. Re:Correction by Anonymous Coward · 2017-12-09 08:46 · Score: 0
  
  Actually, the title should read "Updated Debian GNU/Systemd Released."
3. Re: Correction by Anonymous Coward · 2017-12-09 09:06 · Score: 0
  
  Umm, NO. BeauHD and I had a secret conversation not too long ago that the RUSSIANS hacked into Debian's kernel and made it convince American voters to vote for Trump instead of Hillary. How DISGUSTING is that?
4. Re:Correction by Anonymous Coward · 2017-12-09 10:44 · Score: 0
  
  Not even sure if trolling at this point.
  That battle was lost a long damn time ago, right along with the war over the word "hacker". Give it up already, it's just not gonna happen.
5. Re:Correction by Barefoot+Monkey · 2017-12-09 11:10 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  I don't see why that should be necessary. Debian is already the name of the OS - and it has at least 3 variations, one of which is Linux. Debian Linux is an appropriate name. Stallman had a reasonable point back when Linus was distributing Linux as part of an otherwise straightforward GNU operating system but with a different kernel, and people started referring to the the GNU part of the OS as "Linux" instead of Linux itself (the kernel - the part that users almost never actually see), but a lot has changed since then. Yes, Debian is built upon GNU, but also a lot of software other than GNU. If you replaced the GNU bits with - for example- the FreeBSD equivalents then very few people would notice.
  That being said, the Debian project seems to agree with you and actually does refer to the OS as Debian GNU/Linux a lot of the time (along with Debian GNU/kFreeBSD and Debian GNU/HURD).
6. Re:Correction by Anonymous Coward · 2017-12-09 14:12 · Score: 0
  
  Don't forget that Debian also supports different replacements of CoreUtils and the like. You can run full-fledged Debian and other Linux systems without the GNU parts. Heck, many embedded systems already do, so there is a good chance there is at least one non-GNU Linux system running right now in your home.
7. Re:Correction by Anonymous Coward · 2017-12-09 15:12 · Score: 0
  
  You can run full-fledged Debian and other Linux systems without the GNU parts.
  $ dpkg-query -W -f='${Essential} ${Package} ${Description}\n'|grep '^yes' yes base-files Debian base system miscellaneous files yes base-passwd Debian base system master password and group files yes bash GNU Bourne Again SHell yes bsdutils basic utilities from 4.4BSD-Lite yes coreutils GNU core utilities yes dash POSIX-compliant shell yes debianutils Miscellaneous utilities specific to Debian yes diffutils File comparison utilities yes dpkg Debian package management system yes e2fsprogs ext2/ext3/ext4 file system utilities yes findutils utilities for finding files--find, xargs yes grep GNU grep, egrep and fgrep yes gzip GNU compression utilities yes hostname utility to set/show the host name or domain name yes init System-V-like init utilities - metapackage yes libc-bin GNU C Library: Binaries yes login system login tools yes mount Tools for mounting and manipulating filesystems yes ncurses-base basic terminal type definitions yes ncurses-bin terminal-related programs and man pages yes perl-base minimal Perl system yes sed The GNU sed stream editor yes sysvinit-utils System-V-like utilities yes tar GNU version of the tar archiving utility yes util-linux Miscellaneous system utilities
  No, you can't.
8. Re:Correction by Anonymous Coward · 2017-12-09 19:13 · Score: 0
  
  You can install a custom package that provides those names though. It won't be pretty but it will work.
9. Re:Correction by Anonymous Coward · 2017-12-09 20:02 · Score: 0
  
  dickheads like you are exactly why there won't ever be a 'year of the linux desktop'.
10. Re: Correction by Anonymous Coward · 2017-12-09 20:54 · Score: 0
  
  Don't mind if I do! Dirty hippy toe gunk is a single-cell protein combined with aminos, vitamins, and minerals--everything the body needs.
systemd has made Debian unusable for me. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-12-09 08:44 · Score: -1

I had to set up a simple web server recently. I decided to try Debian 9 as the OS. To keep a long story short, I ran into problems with systemd that caused me to vey rapidly abandon Debian. I know that Debian wasn't always like this. It used to be amazingly stable and robust, even if that meant it sometimes felt slightly outdated. At this point I can't justify using Debian as long as it continues to include systemd. So my web server is now running FreeBSD, and it has worked great so far. It feels like what Debian used to be before this recent systemd debacle.
1. Re: systemd has made Debian unusable for me. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-12-09 08:45 · Score: 0
  
  You have a fucking choice here. It's called Devuan.
2. Re:systemd has made Debian unusable for me. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-12-09 08:51 · Score: -1
  
  Anyone who has trouble with systemd is too stupid to run linux. Stick to Apple and let the real people go about their business.
3. Re: systemd has made Debian unusable for me. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-12-09 08:52 · Score: -1
  
  I looked at Devuan. It's not an option. It's an amateurish side project, from what I could see. I can't trust it to be around next month, nevermind a few years from now. At least the FreeBSD project has a mature, helpful community with a long track record of doing great work. I can trust the FreeBSD project. I can't trust the Devuan project.
4. Re:systemd has made Debian unusable for me. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-12-09 08:58 · Score: 0
  
  I had to fist my ass recently. I decided to try Debian 9 as the instrument of pleasure. To keep a long story short, my bowels are clean as a whistle and that caused me to very rapidly abandon Debian. I know Debian wasn't always like this It used to be amazingly fecal and unkempt, even if that meant sometimes it felt unsafe. At this point I can't justify using Debian as long as they continue to adopt sanitary habits. So now my anus is dragging behind me like a shopping bag in the wind, thanks for nothing, because at this point I can affirmatively state that GNU/Debian Linux literally fucked me in the ass.
5. Re:systemd has made Debian unusable for me. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-12-09 09:03 · Score: 0
  
  You didn't have a problem with systemd
  systemd had a problem with you. And it fixed the glitch. You won't be using Debian again. Problem is solved on this end.
6. Re: systemd has made Debian unusable for me. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-12-09 09:16 · Score: 2, Interesting
  
  I looked at Devuan. It's not an option. It's an amateurish side project, from what I could see. I can't trust it to be around next month, nevermind a few years from now. At least the FreeBSD project has a mature, helpful community with a long track record of doing great work. I can trust the FreeBSD project. I can't trust the Devuan project.
  Devuan has existed for 3 years, since the Exodus Declaration in November 2014.
  It is supported by the non-profit organization Dyne.org.
  It will be here, tomorrow, next month, next year, next decade. Believe it.
  You can find the Devuan community:
  - On the Dev1 Galaxy forums.
  - On the mailing lists at dyne.org
  - On IRC, chat.freenode.net in the #devuan channel.
  Devuan is small compared to Debian, but its users are happy and eagerly awaiting the release of Devuan 2.0 (Ascii).
7. Re:systemd has made Debian unusable for me. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-12-09 09:29 · Score: 0
  
  Anyone who has trouble with systemd is too stupid to run linux. Stick to Apple and let the real people go about their business.
  As of this writing, there are 705 open issues for systemd on GitHub.
  You're calling all of them, every one of the people who use systemd in Arch, Debian, Red-Hat, etc. and opened an issue, too stupid to run Linux?
8. Re: systemd has made Debian unusable for me. by Zero__Kelvin · 2017-12-09 10:34 · Score: -1
  
  Oh please ... provide us more details on this trouble that was the fault of systemd. We need a good laugh.
  
  --
  Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
9. Re: systemd has made Debian unusable for me. by grimr · 2017-12-09 10:44 · Score: 3, Funny
  
  I have no idea why everyone is complaining about systemd. I've encountered absolutely zero issues with systemd after the transition from Debian to FreeBSD.
10. Re:systemd has made Debian unusable for me. by F.Ultra · 2017-12-09 11:09 · Score: 1
  
  yeah right
11. Re:systemd has made Debian unusable for me. by F.Ultra · 2017-12-09 11:11 · Score: 1
  
  And how many of those issues are feature requests?
12. Re:systemd has made Debian unusable for me. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-12-09 12:11 · Score: 0
  
  I found it easy to strip systemd out from stretch, tough I did have to do a clean reinstall.
13. Re: systemd has made Debian unusable for me. by blackpaw · 2017-12-09 13:41 · Score: 1
  
  Hell yeah, I recently had problems with keepalived starting before OVS network interfaces were ready. It was trivally easy to lookup systemd docs and examples to add a service timer that delayed it, that would survive apt updates.
14. Re:systemd has made Debian unusable for me. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-12-09 14:08 · Score: 0
  
  So apparently your problem with systemd is related to your illiteracy; only 77 issues are labeled as bugs. Whether that number is disproportionate is arguable, but let's not be dumber or more dishonest than necessary, m'kay?
15. Re: systemd has made Debian unusable for me. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-12-09 14:28 · Score: 0
  
  I use systemd, linux is just the kernel. like they said, you can have any color you want as long as it's black, so you do have freedom of choice.
16. Re: systemd has made Debian unusable for me. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-12-09 14:53 · Score: -1
  
  That's not reassuring at all. Everything you said shows just how immature and amateurish Devuan is. It doesn't have anything comparable to the FreeBSD community behind it. I think we'll see interest in Devuan fade over the next couple of years. It'll end up a forgotten Linux distro, like Stampede Linux. That's why I wouldn't go anywhere near it. I think it's one of those distros that was essentially dead even before it started.
17. Re: systemd has made Debian unusable for me. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-12-10 00:51 · Score: 0
  
  Black is not a color. Neither is white.
18. Re:systemd has made Debian unusable for me. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-12-10 02:07 · Score: 0
  
  Dishonesty may be found also from the systemd issue categorization itself. Best example is when systemd decided to hijack kernel's command line and label the failures they caused as a systemd feature, not a bug.
19. Re:systemd has made Debian unusable for me. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-12-10 03:57 · Score: 0
  
  We all noticed that you don't describe the actual problem and explain why it is a systemd bug.
  That's because you just pulled a bunch of lies out of your ass.
20. Re: systemd has made Debian unusable for me. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-12-10 05:17 · Score: 0
  
  ...77 issues are labeled as bugs...
  I am curious, I am not knowledgeable about this, but a reasonable question to ask would be: how many bugs were there outstanding for the predecessor to systemd?
21. Re: systemd has made Debian unusable for me. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-12-10 05:28 · Score: 0
  
  There are 80 closed not-a-bug, and 150 closed not-our-bug.
  Many of the most egregious breakages systemd created are closed out that way, so some healthy percentage of those count as open, if you want to be honest.
22. Re: systemd has made Debian unusable for me. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-12-10 05:30 · Score: 0
  
  I wish you systemd devs would quit astroturfing here. We all know youâ(TM)ve pushed your breakage into the kernel, and FreeBSD canâ(TM)t fix that.
23. Re:systemd has made Debian unusable for me. by tender-matser · 2017-12-10 06:24 · Score: 1
  
  Best example is when systemd decided to hijack kernel's command line
  How could it do that? Has systemd taken over grub/lilo too?
  I never used systemd, but I know that the linux *kernel* is passing the command line params to the init program, whatever that is. Go read about it here.
  systemd doesn't have to hijack anything in order to complain about params it doesn't understand. Maybe it's just giving itself airs about legit kernel params it considers "illegal"? (the way the stupid bash programmable completion won't let me complete file names to some programs it thinks it knows everything about).
Can't find anyone to mod down! by bogaboga · 2017-12-09 09:05 · Score: -1, Offtopic

I am looking for posters to mod down. Can't find any as many of these first posters are Anonymous Cowards!!
1. Re:Can't find anyone to mod down! by BeauHD+(1) · 2017-12-09 09:09 · Score: -1
  
  Suck my balls!
2. Re:Can't find anyone to mod down! by TheDarkener · 2017-12-09 09:52 · Score: 2
  
  BeauHD, you're my hero.
  
  --
  It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
FYI: Latest news on Trump's war on H-1B by Anonymous Coward · 2017-12-09 09:33 · Score: 0

These days, USCIS is sending out a lot of H-1B RFEs (Request for Evidence) saying the job is too qualified for Level-1 wage.
Too often, a job description is made to appear be too complex for an American to be able to fill it, but it's still filed as a low level job just to justify a lower wage...
While I generally agree with this effort by USCIS, I hope it helps instead of hurt many people.
Suck it up by Anonymous Coward · 2017-12-09 09:40 · Score: -1

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Oh that's what it was. by TheDarkener · 2017-12-09 09:51 · Score: 3, Interesting

I was in the process of installing some Brother printer drivers by running a bash script (after looking it over a bit of course) provided by them. Afterwards I went to "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" and saw a new kernel and other core utils to be updated. I squinted at my screens, wondering for a minute whether I missed the part of the Brother install script that it quietly added some rogue apt repo to my sources.list[.d]. I went to my hosted server to do the same update and verified that it wasn't just my local machine. I sighed with relief =p
Thank you, Debian. I have been using you since Potato on my desktop and servers. You've never let me down. Well, maybe with systemd. But other than that, you've never let me down. ;} (please don't start any systemd rants, I was just kidding!)

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It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
1. Re:Oh that's what it was. by antdude · 2017-12-09 10:01 · Score: 1
  
  Same here. I was doing my daily Debian oldstable/Jessie apt-get's update and upgrade and saw tons of updates this morning. There goes my 62.5 days of uptime. :P
  
  --
  Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
2. Re:Oh that's what it was. by williamyf · 2017-12-09 12:58 · Score: 1
  
  [...]Thank you, Debian. I have been using you since Potato on my desktop and servers. You've never let me down. Well, maybe with systemd. But other than that, you've never let me down. ;} (please don't start any systemd rants, I was just kidding!)
  Too late bro. ;-)
  SystemD is shite. SystemD is the gretatest.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
  Slashdot herd, please carry on!
  
  --
  *** Suerte a todos y Feliz dia!
awesome by Anonymous Coward · 2017-12-09 12:22 · Score: 0

Glad it's still rolling. Used to be a maintainer
news I can use! by e432776 · 2017-12-09 14:07 · Score: 1

enough said.
SystemD(unce) distro no thanks by Anonymous Coward · 2017-12-09 14:09 · Score: 0

SystemD(unce) distro no way no how!
systemd by Anonymous Coward · 2017-12-09 14:40 · Score: 3, Insightful

Ah yes. The Linux system overlaid with systemd, the mystery system that no one really knows exactly what it is doing. Systemd is the Linux Windows' ME.
So long, suckers!
Regression with new kernel + Intel GPU driver? by YoopDaDum · 2017-12-09 20:31 · Score: 3, Informative

Some heads-up / warning: after the update the display locks up solid very quickly on 5th generation Intel CPU, making the system unusable and requiring a hard power cycle. I worked around it by manually installing the previous kernel, after a boot in recovery mode and disabling the GUI. This was with SDDM and KDE, which tend to matters in such cases (every GUI exercise the graphic stack slightly differently, so you may not see any problem with GNOME although I haven't tried yet).
I know it's not the best place to report this, but the linux kernel page on the Debian bug tracking system is down for me since yesterday. I get an internal server error on: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bi....
I'll post a real Debian bug report when this will get back to operational, but in the meantime here's a heads-up for people using Debian stable with KDE.
I've been running Linux on the desktop for over 20 by Anonymous Coward · 2017-12-10 07:09 · Score: 0

Fuck all you corporate slaves