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Google Is Using Light Beam Tech To Connect Rural India To the Internet (techcrunch.com)

Google is preparing to use light beams to bring rural areas of the planet online after it announced to a planned rollout in India. From a report: The firm is working with a telecom operator in Indian state Andhra Pradesh, home to over 50 million people, to use Free Space Optical Communications (FSOC), a technology that uses beams of light to deliver high-speed, high-capacity connectivity over long distances. Now partner AP State FiberNet will introduce 2,000 FSOC links starting from January to add additional support to its network backbone in the state. The Google project is aimed at "critical gaps to major access points, like cell-towers and WiFi hotspots, that support thousands of people," Google said. The initiative ties into a government initiative to connect 12 million households to the internet by 2019, the U.S. firm added.

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  1. Average IQ on SlashDot is now 110 and dropping by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

    >> Light Beam Tech

    (smacks forehead) (considers whether to be embarrassed to still be on SlashDot)

    1. Re:Average IQ on SlashDot is now 110 and dropping by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      "Laser" Tech /Dr.Evil

      Is that better?

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    2. Re:Average IQ on SlashDot is now 110 and dropping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would you like your butt pumped?

    3. Re:Average IQ on SlashDot is now 110 and dropping by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      >> Light Beam Tech (smacks forehead) (considers whether to be embarrassed to still be on SlashDot)

      I wonder if they might also use light beam concentration and focusing technology surface technology to help reception. These would be kept in place using the latest in vertical support mounting technology.

    4. Re:Average IQ on SlashDot is now 110 and dropping by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 1

      Well, if you compare it to IP over Avian Carrier, I think swinging a torch can mean "high speed, high capacity".

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    5. Re:Average IQ on SlashDot is now 110 and dropping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, this is like waveguides for electrons right?

  2. Re:HEY GUYS by msmash+(Top+Editor) · · Score: 0

    They turned it into a game a few years ago.

  3. Whats old is new? by ElGuapo2872 · · Score: 1

    Back in the 80s I think I remember seeing giant towers that used light to let people talk from Houston to Dallas in REAL TIME! I think we called them microwaves or are microwaves no longer light? PS I did actually read the article (for once) and didnt see the frequencies that would be used

    1. Re:Whats old is new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    2. Re:Whats old is new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's nothing, I've seen this technology used by Gondor.

    3. Re:Whats old is new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lemme put my dick in your boot

    4. Re:Whats old is new? by Comboman · · Score: 1

      I think we called them microwaves or are microwaves no longer light?

      Grown-ups use the term "Electromagnetic Radiation" since "light" generally refers to the visible portion of the spectrum.

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  4. Free Space Optical Communications by Fly+Swatter · · Score: 3, Informative

    Two big high tech flashlights :), looks like limited distance and fog is a problem. FSOC

    1. Re:Free Space Optical Communications by erapert · · Score: 1

      Rural India is probably just happy to have any kind of internet at all. They might not even have access to clean water on the regular. Intermittent internet connectivity probably isn't even something they would consider to be a problem.

    2. Re:Free Space Optical Communications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ayup, first wind mills and now heliographs. Pretty soon, someone will re-invent fire and smoke signals.

    3. Re:Free Space Optical Communications by Guybrush_T · · Score: 1

      I'm wondering how you can mitigate that with a mesh of connections. Also it's highly dependent on where you are. Many places in the world never have any fog.

  5. Re:Did anyone else read this as... by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    Nope, you're the only one. And you might be dyexslic.

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  6. Looks unreliable. by sims+2 · · Score: 1

    I mean it should be both fast and high capacity but it should also be heavily affected by rain or anything else for that matter that could break line of sight.

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    1. Re:Looks unreliable. by OtisSnerd · · Score: 1

      At the transportation authority I retired from in 2015 (I had over 20 years in IT...), over ten years ago we used Canon Canobeam Free Space Optics gigabit laser networking to bridge over subway tracks, and high voltage third rail and cabling, to reach a car maintenance facility plant. While that type of tech can be affected by weather, it only happened to us a couple of times. Both cases, the user reporting the outage said "It's snowing like mad, I'll call you back if it doesn't come up after the snow lets up." This worked reliable for years, and was only replaced when a new power plant building presented the opportunity to run fiber optic cabling underground. I suspect that heavy rain will affect the signal, it will be interesting to see how well they work long-term.

  7. Re:Did anyone else read this as... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...or a Mac user.

  8. they're really going all out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    to squeeze every last ad dollar out of the planet they can and to complete their files on every single human. connecting the last half the planet, the less advanced half, is going to be expensive as hell.

    1. Re:they're really going all out by erapert · · Score: 2

      Iknowrite?! Can you believe those greedy assholes are going out of their way to innovate and try to bring internet (and all the knowledge and human connection that entails) to a part of the world that lives in abject poverty? What real stinkers they must be! Screw you, Google, and take your kindness and innovation and everything else and just shove it!

    2. Re: they're really going all out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of these people make pennies a day and are basically starving. Imagine if the money for these two--essentially "giant flashlights" was given to the people instead in the form of free food for a year or something. I agree with you actually but I'm just introducing another talking point.

    3. Re: they're really going all out by erapert · · Score: 1

      If they're barely scraping by then they just won't sign up for the brand new shiny internet service... which they didn't have before anyway and thus won't miss it--- NO HARM WILL BE DONE.

    4. Re: they're really going all out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, once they have Googlenet, they'll surely all be buying Echos and Fire Sticks.

    5. Re: they're really going all out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't tell if Google fanboy or just obnoxious virtue signaller...

    6. Re: they're really going all out by orlanz · · Score: 1

      The local governments do this via subsidized oil, rice, & cooking gas.

      What these people need isnâ(TM)t to make ends meet day to day but assistance in raising up the social ladder (do not get me wrong, there are quite a lot of people that need help with day to day).

      Historically that would be seats in college, radios, clean water, electricity, bicycles, etc.

      Now a days cellphones, internet access, motorcycles, etc.

    7. Re: they're really going all out by mikael · · Score: 1

      And if the Internet connection gives them a means of earning money, then they can feed themselves. With an internet connection and a computer, I could do transcription work, receive requests to grow and deliver food, make textiles/handcrafts, remote education by video, learn technology. If not me, then at least my children.

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  9. Better than Microwave? by HighOrbit · · Score: 2

    ses beams of light to deliver high-speed, high-capacity connectivity over long distances

    I read the article. It was short on technical specifics. So I looked it up on wikipedia. Free Space Optical Communications (FSOC).
    So what makes them choose this as a better choice than older proven line-of-sight technologies like Microwave radio relay. Microwave formed the backbone of AT&T and MCI long-lines and had enough umph to carry live video. Does the light relay system really have that much more bandwidth than microwave? FSOC looks inferior to me. Shorter distance (a few hundred meters vs hundreds of kilometers for mw and more attenuation with weather (fog, rain).

    1. Re:Better than Microwave? by magarity · · Score: 1

      Most likely because radio spectrum has a bewildering array of licensing issues pretty much everywhere in the world where there's government. Hardly anybody regulates light spectrum.

  10. Re:Did anyone else read this as... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You misspelled Linux.

  11. Google is unamerican by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Failing Google spending billions of dollars helping foreigners steal US jobs. I am American and I refuse to use any google products from now on.

    1. Re: Google is unamerican by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it irony that your post is unamerican?

  12. Re:Hey Google by paulej72 · · Score: 1

    Me eyes! The goggles do nothing!

    Should that not be" Me eyes! The Googles do nothing!

  13. I'm... confused by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

    First... 'light beam'? Let me suggest first that they should have said something like 'laser signalling without fibre optic cables'. I dunno, maybe I'm crazy.

    Second, it'd be interesting to know what kind of laser - specifically, the particular window of EM they're utilizing. That will have a huge effect on what kind of atmospheric conditions it can tolerate, and how far it's good for. I've gone three links in and still can't find any mention of what frequency range they're talking about. And details on any automatic aim-adjustment tech would be awesome.

    Third - and I know I'm probably a weirdo here - I wonder if anyone considered non-collimated light for broadcast? You might think of that as 'radio', but assuming we're talking near-visible spectrum it's a bit different.

    In short, this press release has insufficient data to generate meaningful discussion.

    1. Re:I'm... confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Third - and I know I'm probably a weirdo here - I wonder if anyone considered non-collimated light for broadcast?
      Long ago hobbyists have done this before using just plain LEDs

    2. Re:I'm... confused by Migraineman · · Score: 1

      We had a point-to-point free-space optical link for networks in two 14-storey buildings ... back in the late 1980s. On a good day, it was awesome. But just about *everything* degraded it - rain, fog, sunlight glare off the neighboring chrome/glass buildings, etc. Even wind was an issue - you'd be surprised at how much a modern building moves around in the wind (and it's exacerbated by the effective moment-arm of the optical leg length.) You can defocus the optics to create a larger "spot" at the receiver, but power goes down by R^2, and any optical power that doesn't hit the receiver is "wasted."

      Oh, and "birds." The stooopid pigeons would seek shelter under the sun/rain shield on the enclosure, then see their reflections in the lenses. Damned things would sit there and peck at themselves. I was a tech at the time, and was dispatched to the roof on more than one occasion on Pigeon Patrol. (A properly placed pigeon, blocking the receive aperture, is equivalent to 10-30dB of path loss ... since I know you were wondering.)

    3. Re:I'm... confused by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      >(A properly placed pigeon, blocking the receive aperture, is equivalent to 10-30dB of path loss ... since I know you were wondering

      I've worked with microwave systems. A flock of birds could cause the system to fail over to a redundant path.

      I could also watch weather fronts move through the region as signal quality dropped then (usually) recovered.

      We never had problems with pigeons roosting, though. First, the antennas had covers over them, but second... anything that could manage to cling to those would probably be cooked to death and fall before I could get a tower crew out to clear the obstruction.

      Now, rural ya-hoos taking pot shots at the antennas? Problem.

    4. Re:I'm... confused by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      News for Nerds, Stuff that Matters!

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    5. Re:I'm... confused by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      IIRC, there was also a commercial system for an IR LED-based WLAN for offices that couldn't run data cabling for some reason... I never heard of it ever being deployed, though.

    6. Re:I'm... confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or there's the old story about eavesdropping by watching blinking LEDs on equipment - i.e. the tx and rx activity indicators simply get fed by what's going through the serial line, doing light based data broadcast by accident.

      More recently there's some hype about "smart" lightbulbs broadcasting crap!, whatever it's for. Certainly the equivalent of a QR code can be sent, enough to do quite some things if your phone can read it.
      Perhaps a lot more but I'm not so curious about it.

  14. Why are they doing this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is cheaper to install this than go through the hassle of H1Bs. Google is not doing this out of altruism.

    1. Re:Why are they doing this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google is making remote work possible for the cheapest of indian tech gurus.

  15. Re:Did anyone else read this as... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You misspelled Assbuntu.

  16. Re:HEY GUYS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LOL DONGS!

  17. Well this is good news. by Euroranger · · Score: 1

    I was worried we were going to run short of $5/hr software devs...

  18. Now we need to have a contest to see... by kamakazi · · Score: 1

    If we can send a book faster by using the clacks or on horseback.

    x-clacks-overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett

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    1. Re:Now we need to have a contest to see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you deliver a curry by clacks?

    2. Re:Now we need to have a contest to see... by kamakazi · · Score: 1

      Normally you would use a golem for that.

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    3. Re:Now we need to have a contest to see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that that big Jew thing?

  19. Forrest Mims by gillbates · · Score: 1

    Forrest Mims wrote about lightwave transceivers in "Getting Started in Electronics" more than 30 years ago. You could build your own lightwave communications for a few dollars in electronics parts.

    Nice to see someone has finally noticed. Also nice is the fact that you can communicate point-to-point without having to worry about licensing and rf interference issues. With lightwave, I don't have to worry about signal crowding simply because of my proximity to other users.

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    1. Re:Forrest Mims by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was always in my bucket list to pee with the Forrest Mims.
      Sadly I'll never get the opportunity.

  20. So the newly enabled proprietors can reach you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just thinking: does relaxation of neutrality/rules of conduct enable this to become a mechanism for over-reaching on the frontiers od dapitalistmâ(TM)s expansion?

  21. Dish network? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Parabolic dishes? My favorite wireless way to use beams of light to communicate.

  22. hmm by supernova87a · · Score: 1

    That's great! I'm sure India doesn't have a problem with stuff in the air obscuring the line of sight right??

  23. Tech Support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great, so now we can get scammed from rural India as well as urban India. Can't wait to hear goats in the background of the scammers calls.

  24. Foreign Transfer of American Technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looks like Billionaire Sundar Pichai, illegal immigrant, is "Doing Some Good" just not for his USA employers or USA citizens but hay, Sundar does not give a fuck about USA, just the money and the ability to hide from sexual harassment accusations and lawsuits in the USA is his bread-and-butter.

    Ha ha
     

  25. Very light article by Photonmaker · · Score: 1

    Not much there to go on, but that said the Wikipedia article is substantially outdated. A more recent description of field experiments can be found at: http://www.jhuapl.edu/techdige....

    There are plenty of papers paywalled at the SPIE site as well if you'd like to get a better feel on what the state of the art is post the 2012 experiment described in the linked article.

    All that said, the environment is your enemy as you go up in frequency - things like clouds, rain (but not always), fog (again, not always), and the pigeon that someone mentioned previously can break the link, but proper design of the modems can get through some of that. That said "some of that" will not get you 5 9's link reliability over all weather condition. It's not just optical; the mm-wave stuff being thrown around for 5G systems has many of the same problems - heck, certain bands of high frequency (say around 60 GHz) get soaked up by oxygen at incredible rates.

    Regarding data rates, RF systems will struggle to beat FSOC. Well designed FSOC systems leverage technologies used in fiber communications; I've worked on air-to-ground links that exceeded 80 Gbps over a decade ago, it would be trivial to double (or more!) that rate.

    Another consideration is cost - FSOC systems in general utilize pretty sophisticated optical systems that are effectively your antenna. The modem cost can be driven to par pretty easily, but RF antennas are generally much lower cost than optics.

    But you don't have to fight for spectrum, which is a major advantage. The FCC and I imagine nearly every other country's spectrum regulatory agency do not regulate the near IR wavelengths FSOC systems run at. There are safety issues that need to be taken into account (eye damage), but those are well defined and don't generally represent that much of a problem.

  26. Instead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Instead of building internet access maybe they should start with proper sewage systems.

  27. Wouldn't it be better to connect..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ....half a billion (probably more) dirty Indo-chimp asses to actual toilets instead of letting them shit in the street ?

    Just sayin' ...

  28. multihop routing by bugs2squash · · Score: 1

    Brilliant. Instead of putting a fiber in the ocean they just let the signal hop from shark to shark up and down the bay of Bengal.

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