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Coinbase Wants Wall Street To Resolve Its Bitcoin Trust Issues (bloomberg.com)

In an effort to use digital money to reinvent finance, cryptocurrency exchange Coinbase is trying to legitimize itself by convincing big money managers to trust it enough to trade on its exchange. They need to "reassure regulators that bitcoin isn't a silk road for hackers, money launderers and tax evaders," reports Bloomberg. From the report: Despite the table tennis, Coinbase shows glimmers of maturity. More than 10 million customers have used the company since it began, though it recently quit updating the tally on its website. About $57 billion of digital currency has traded on the exchange so far this year. It doubled its staff in that time and expects to do so again in 2018. Ultimately, Coinbase plans to go public. The firm said it's prevailed against security threats, helping it avoid the fate of Mt. Gox, the world's biggest bitcoin exchange before shutting its doors in 2014 after $480 million of customer funds went bye-bye. Coinbase stores 98 percent of users' digital currencies in offline safe-deposit boxes. The remaining 2 percent, which is vulnerable because it's online, is covered by insurance. The company holds more than $10 billion in digital assets. Developing ties with banks is one of the biggest challenges. Coinbase doesn't publicly disclose its banking relationships, but a person familiar with the matter said the company is partnering with Cross River Bank, Metropolitan Bank and Silvergate Bank in the U.S.

49 comments

  1. Interesting by Luthair · · Score: 3, Insightful

    because Bitcoin was a currency for Silk Road....

    1. Re: Interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IF dumbness was a currency, 80% of the planet would be rich overnight....

    2. Re:Interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And fiat cash including USD is currency for buying children's sex, human slavery, etc. So what's your point?

    3. Re: Interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      IF dumbness was a currency, 80% of the planet would be rich overnight....

      You're not rich if everybody is rich.

    4. Re: Interesting by qvazy · · Score: 1

      ohh yes just no sayyyys

    5. Re:Interesting by qvazy · · Score: 1
    6. Re:Interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Wall Street's almighty dollar was a currency for Al Capone.

    7. Re: Interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      At least drop the pretense that we don't have enough money to give everyone a basic income. The rich can still play games of imposed artificial scarcity in virtual realms like with bitcoin. They'll be fine. They'll still be rich in virtual scarce items, but everyone will have access to the vast, persistent surplus of food and other provisions we have figured out how to produce. Drop the physical scarcity hype, please. You will still be rich and be able to exclude ppl virtually.

    8. Re:Interesting by leonbev · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it's also the current currency of choice for foreign money laundering and ransomware payments. What's your point?

    9. Re:Interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, I take that to be a positive, then? I mean, Wall Streets wants *in* on that market. They're almost certainly upset how much potential drug money has moved from the USD. Same thing if Bitcoins were used for oil.

    10. Re: Interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      80% IS not equal to everybody... dumbass !

  2. Linked story unrelated to post blurb by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 2

    The headline seems pretty inflammatory and off-base. I'd look at TFA but the link goes to some other story that doesn't mention Coinbase.

    1. Re:Linked story unrelated to post blurb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Totally. I think they meant to link to this: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-15/coinbase-wants-wall-street-to-resolve-its-bitcoin-trust-issues

  3. They need to get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the equivalent of FDIC insurance.

    1. Re:They need to get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FDIC doesn't cover huge cash pools such as pension funds, money market funds, institutional investor funds. You need the Fed's unlimited liquidity to backstop all the wanton private credit creation. Bitcoin needs the Fed. The Fed should be mining bitcoin and buying it so it can issue credit and insurance and create a basic bitcoin income.

  4. Scam artist. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Wall streets always looking for new ways to profit. If bitcoin wasnâ(TM)t a giant scam they would have already embraced it.

    1. Re:Scam artist. by leonbev · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The .com stocks of 1998-1999 were a total scam, but it didn't stop Wall Street from profiting from them. I think that they're just pissed because they haven't figured out how to charge large commissions and underwriting fees for trading it, yet.

  5. Wait and See by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    until after the bubble bursts, then you can see what makes sense and what doesn't.

    1. Re:Wait and See by thePsychologist · · Score: 2

      I'm not so sure the bubble will burst. Since Bitcoin has an upper bound on the total amount of Bitcoins, it seems like it might have a chance at becoming like a collector's item, especially as it has significance as the first successfully implemented cryptocurrency.

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  6. Huh? by Nutria · · Score: 1

    Coinbase stores 98 percent of users' digital currencies in offline safe-deposit boxes

    Using external USB drives?

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    1. Re:Huh? by phantomfive · · Score: 1
      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    2. Re:Huh? by AvitarX · · Score: 2

      I'd think archival paper and ink

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    3. Re:Huh? by zieroh · · Score: 2

      Coinbase definitely uses plain old printed paper wallets, spread among many safe deposit boxes.

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    4. Re:Huh? by slew · · Score: 1

      I'd think archival paper and ink

      If you've been watching Mr. Robot, you might reconsider that backup strategy...

  7. Half the story. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    bitcoin isn't a silk road for hackers, money launderers and tax evaders,"

    Except when it is.

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    1. Re:Half the story. by war4peace · · Score: 1

      Valid for everything in the Universe.

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  8. Impressions are everything... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The general public became aware of Bitcoin, in a large part, due to reports of illegitimate commerce and promises of anonymity. It's going to take a long time, and twice as much positive journalism to break that reputation.

  9. Dangerous wish by GlobalEcho · · Score: 2

    This a dangerous thing for Coinbase to wish for. Once mainstream financial firms are involved, the regulators will want Coinbase to act more like a real exchange, or at least a real crossing network. With lots of regulations. It's a tremendous burden that existing exchanges have already hurdled.

  10. Federally Insured by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like a great plan for everyone but the tax payer! #MAGA

    1. Re:Federally Insured by Fly+Swatter · · Score: 1

      FDIC is supported by the banks themselves, they pay for it's insurance.

    2. Re:Federally Insured by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, the FDIC doesn't have a credible amount to cover lost deposits. The insurance fund has about 25 billion to cover total deposits of 9.2 trillion, about 2/10 of 1%. The government could authorize the Fed to just create the missing dollars needed, or they could take the difference out of bank equity and bond holders, or a combination. However, the FDIC insurance fund is an empty promise.

    3. Re:Federally Insured by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Fed used existing authority under the Federal Reserve Act to create money so that money market funds did not "break the buck" in 2008 and after. The Fed maintained par between privately-created dollars-as-credit and US Federal Reserve dollars. FDIC covers traditional bank deposits up to $200k. Everything else relies on the Fed's implicit guarantee, when the private sector goes into a panic as it likes to do periodically.

  11. Actually we don't care by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    I've been dealing in bitcoins since 2010. Let me just say:
    "Traditional investors like crooked, lying, manipulative Wall Street assholes can fuck off and stay out og bitcoin. We don't care what you think." - Sincerely, everyone in the bitcoin community.

  12. but if you get 51% of the power then you change ru by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    but if you get 51% of the power then you can change the rules of bit coin. Also the caps are to low for it to work as an day to day thing.

  13. Trust cuts both ways, sir by nsxdavid · · Score: 1

    Coinbase is struggling to keep up with demand. And while that's going on, it's a mess. Wire transfers go missing, and customer support is a joke. Is your $90K in limbo? No problem, just call their... oh wait, the people who answer the phone have zero power to do anything. Anything at all.

    Oh, so just submit a support ticket. Good luck getting a replay. Or, like me, watch your case just vanish into the ether.

    No, Coinbase cannot be trusted with your money. Not at the moment.

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    David Whatley
  14. Maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coinbase should legitimise there own business practices first. I dunno, like maybe telling users whether or not they can actually sell BTC on the Coinbase platform from their country of origin.

  15. Laundromat by Shad0wz · · Score: 1

    Oh you mean Coinbase wants wallstreet to legitimize the biggest criminal / ponzi / laundering / terrorist funding outfit in the world? Sure... Sheep to slaughter...

  16. Funny by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Because actual traders (not the amateurs currently pushing the Bitcoin bubble) know what a bubble is and know that Bitcoin is pure hot air and extremely high risk. Sure, they also fall for bubbes, but not when it is this blatantly obvious. So no, "Wall Street" does not have a trust issue here. They just see what is.

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  17. No, it's not reliable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bitcoin is in a bubble. It and the other cryptocurrencies are primarily designed to be decentralized and anonymous. This is a feature but also a problem for the financial world, where regulations matter to limit risk. When you show the SEC how to prevent cryptocurrencies from being used for ransomware, money laundering, and the support of terrorism, and when you show that the value is based on something other than mere speculation, they will buy in.

    1. Re:No, it's not reliable. by slashrio · · Score: 1

      Bitcion is in its introductory phase.
      Only a small part of the world's population has ever heard of bitcoin.
      Once everyone knows it and owns a part for speculation, then it's a bubble.
      The value of one bitcoin will be some millions USD by that time.

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  18. wait. wasn't this supposed to work decentralized by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    how did coinbase become such a big player when the major advantage of bitcoint is claimed to be its independence from a central authority?

  19. Re: wait. wasn't this supposed to work decentraliz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bitcoin is decentralized. However, to convert to/from Bitcoin to a countryâ(TM)s currency you need to use an exchange like Coinbase.

  20. Coinbase is doomed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coinbase has been closing customer accounts all over the place for quite a while now, no explanation but the suspicion is that if you have forwarded coins to a darknet wallet then they don't want your business. Once bitcoin collapses as a get rich quick scheme and returns to being useful as a payment method that decision could really come back to bite them.

  21. Fuck that and fuck you by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

    Rolling up untrustworthy and fluctuating investments with actual valued ones is exactly how the crash in the mid 00s happened. Coinbase wants Wall Street money and doesn't care if they fuck up our economy in the process.

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  22. With such giant daily/weekly fluxations... by HockeyPuck · · Score: 1

    Is anybody actually buying anything tangible with them? There was the guy that used two BTC a few years ago to buy a pizza (which is now probably a $20k pizza). This seems like the digital equivalent of beanie babies...

  23. DIY Cryptocurrency Mining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you want mine your own crypto currency, you need a motherboard with 19 PCIe 1X slots to plug in 19 GPUs and a couple of 1200W PSUs.