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Congo Shuts Down Internet Services 'Indefinitely' (nytimes.com)

On Saturday Engadget wrote: Authoritarian leaders are fond of severing communications in a bid to hold on to power, and that tradition sadly isn't going away. The Democratic Republic of Congo's government has ordered telecoms to cut internet and SMS access ahead of planned mass protests against President Joseph Kabila, whose administration has continuously delayed elections to replace him. Telecom minister Emery Okundji told Reuters that it was a response to "violence that is being prepared," but people aren't buying that argument. Officials had already banned demonstrations, and the country has history of cutting communications and blocking social network access in a bid to quash dissent.
And today in the wake of deadly protests, Congo announced that the internet shutdown will continue "indefinitely." The New York Times reports: At least eight people were killed and a dozen altar boys arrested in the Democratic Republic of Congo on Sunday after security forces cracked down on planned church protests against President Joseph Kabila's refusal to leave office before coming elections... Congolese security forces set up checkpoints across Kinshasa, and the government issued an order to shut down text messaging and internet services indefinitely across the country for what it called "reasons of state security."

88 comments

  1. Wtf is to stop em from doing it anywhere? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    N/t

    1. Re:Wtf is to stop em from doing it anywhere? by malditaenvidia · · Score: 1

      Net neutrality rul... oh, wait.

    2. Re: Wtf is to stop em from doing it anywhere? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like the SJWs need to fight for net neutrality in other countries where it gets turned off on a whim.

  2. See immediate post below by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If technology is a monster - aren’t the Congo leaders acting appropriately?

  3. It's called "Rule of Law" by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Look for it in your local 1st-World western society everywhere!

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    1. Re:It's called "Rule of Law" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Without a doubt the dumbest thing I've read on the internet today. Congratz!

  4. Anonymous Coward Law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A country that includes the words "Democratic Republic" in its name is neither democratic nor a republic.

    1. Re:Anonymous Coward Law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like the USA!

      Trump didn't win because he won the popular vote. If this were a democracy, Hillary would be the president.

    2. Re: Anonymous Coward Law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Trump would have won the popular vote if thatâ(TM)s what mattered. He would have had a completely different campaign strategy. Love him or hate him, he dominated the world of business because he knows how to play by the rules to win, even if that means exploiting bankruptcy protection. Same goes with winning the vote. He knew the rules and played by them to win the only thing that counts - the electoral college.

    3. Re: Anonymous Coward Law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If this were a democracy, neither Trump nor Clinton would be president.

      Clinton would have been disqualified for cheating and the whole process restarted.

      Or to go further, the whole system would be redone to allow for viable 3rd parties with the entire concept of primaries removed and all candidates running concurrently and letting the voters decide.

      A system that devolves into choosing between a turd and a douche with all other options removed or made unviable is not a democracy.

    4. Re:Anonymous Coward Law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just like the USA!

      You're a genuine retard. Pretty damned obvious you've never lived in an actual non-democratic country, never visited one either.

    5. Re:Anonymous Coward Law by thsths · · Score: 1

      I have always wonder why postings like this are acceptable on Slashdot. Most online communities have long embraced a "no personal insult" policy, and they are much better for it.

    6. Re:Anonymous Coward Law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, he's right. The United States of America is not United, nor does it consist of States.

    7. Re: Anonymous Coward Law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Rules..?" You keep using that word... I don't think it means what you think it means...

    8. Re: Anonymous Coward Law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because we're Democratic, not Totalitarian, and thus you have the ability to moderate the post yourself.

      If you prefer the curated safe space forums, which are an echo chamber of like minded idiots all circle jerking together, then feel free to join them.

    9. Re:Anonymous Coward Law by blindseer · · Score: 1

      The USA is a federation of independent states. The people don't elect POTUS and VPOTUS, the states do. The concept of a federation has been watered down considerably when we got popular election of US senators and a federal income tax. Since then the federal government can easily circumvent the states by appealing to the public at large with tax incentives, and coerce the states into compliance by withholding taxes they collected directly from the people.

      There is a triad in the federal government to keep it in check of a separation of judicial, executive, and legislative powers. There is another triad of checks, bypassed somewhat with the 16th and 17th Amendments, between the states, federal, and the people.

      If we lose the electoral college then the state governments become largely redundant, the states become just administrative areas of a national government.

      What is interesting is how the federal government has been brought back into check. The first one that I see was the repeal of Prohibition. The states simply refused to comply with a federal mandate to prohibit the sale of alcohol. We're seeing it now again with marijuana. How long can the states openly violate federal law before the federal government must assert its (supposed) authority, or the federal government backs down and admits defeat? States breaking federal laws, and not being punished for it, puts all federal laws up to question.

      I believe that federal marijuana prohibitions will fall before Trump leaves office. And that would be a good thing for states' rights.

      The USA was never designed to be a democracy. The founders of this federation feared democracies since they knew their history. True democracies cannot stand forever. Some things must simply not be left up to public vote, natural law will have to be greater than the public vote or it all falls apart eventually.

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    10. Re:Anonymous Coward Law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good thing the USA is not a "democracy" as that's the exact thing the founders where trying to avoid.
      There has never been a popular vote in the US it was never setup that way or only three states would ever pick the president.

    11. Re:Anonymous Coward Law by Deadstick · · Score: 1

      The states are the laboratories of democracy...and some of those laboratories are run by Walter White.

    12. Re:Anonymous Coward Law by blindseer · · Score: 1

      Is that such a bad state to be in?

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    13. Re:Anonymous Coward Law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every faction in Africa calls themselves by these noble names - "liberation-this", "patriotic-that", "democratic-republic-of-something or other". I guess they can't own up to what they usually are - "federation-of-worse-oppressors-than-the last-bunch-of-oppressors". Often the most barbaric atrocities occur when both combatants proclaim themselves "freedom fighters".

      Yuri - Lord Of War 2005

    14. Re: Anonymous Coward Law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The united states is a real republic, but to call it a democracy is a bit of a stretch. Sure, a republic is more like a democracy than other forms of government, but it isn't a pure democracy and doesn't function like one either.

    15. Re: Anonymous Coward Law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      States are not required to enforce federal laws. Something can legal under state law and illegal under federal law. The state doesn't have to enforce it if it chooses not to. You can still be arrested by the FBI, just not by state police since it isn't a state crime.

      In fact, you can be charged for the same crime twice, once by the federal government, and again by a state. Because they are two different sovereigns. Double jeopardy? Only applies to multiple prosecutions by the same sovereign. (Actually you could be charged 51 times for the same act, by all 50 states and the federal government, if you somehow did something that affected all 50 states and interstate commerce)

    16. Re:Anonymous Coward Law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I too am greatly concerned about the ACs insulting each other, since ACs always check their messages for replies. I'm worried AC will never come back and post again!

      Use your mod points according to what you said, adjust your viewing threshold if you are seeing more dregs than you'd like. No censorship of the discussion is valuable imho. You are free to seek a more (read: less) protected forums if you prefer.

  5. contingency question by beckett · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm interested in any good ideas, countermeasures, rube goldberg devices that could be employed in or outside of a country like DRC that could restore, maintain, or circumvent a communications banhammer.

    mesh wifi? blimps? ad hoc 3g network? femtocells? type beam microwaves? airdrops of Pringles? angel investor for TamTam? Bonus points for ideas that are bespoke to Africa itself.

    1. Re:contingency question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Satellite internet.
      Slow but doesn't need any ground support locally.

    2. Re:contingency question by Iamthecheese · · Score: 2

      Wifi meshnet with clever routing is the obvious answer, but it should be implemented in a way that allows plausible deniability of ownership. Imagine a small, low power, low-observability, multiband pi that anyone can just plug in to an outlet and it starts functioning as a mesh net router offering free wifi for 50 meters in any direction. A dedicated repressive regime could track them down one at a time but it would be more trouble then it's worth, especially if people keep putting up new ones.

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    3. Re:contingency question by Hognoxious · · Score: 5, Insightful

      https://slashdot.org/story/03/...

      And remember the rules of country names: If it contains "Democratic" then it isn't, and if it says "People's" there's an implied "A Few Dozen" before it.

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    4. Re:contingency question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      bongo drums

    5. Re:contingency question by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm interested in any good ideas, countermeasures, rube goldberg devices that could be employed in or outside of a country like DRC that could restore, maintain, or circumvent a communications banhammer.

      What do you hope to accomplish? Restored communications would empower the urban elite in Kinshasha, and further marginalize the rural people of the eastern Congo, who in some areas are already in open rebellion. The last thing the DRC needs is yet another full scale war.

      For all his faults, Kabila has mostly avoided pandering to tribalism, unlike his "democratic" opponents. In the 1st World, we tend to view "Democracy" as an unqualified "Good Thing", but in tribal societies, it usually just leads to the dominant tribe getting even more power to crush the minorities.

    6. Re:contingency question by iktos · · Score: 2

      If the cell phone service as such isn't shut down a modem app would make uucp possible.

    7. Re:contingency question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "united" "great" "canada" "federation"

    8. Re:contingency question by Gryle · · Score: 5, Informative

      Unfortunately, the DRC has an electricity distribution issue. While the DRC has a lot of power-generating capability, civil infrastructure development is very lopsided and a lot of areas suffer rolling blackouts or brownouts. Also, never underestimate how far dictators will go to stay in power.

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    9. Re:contingency question by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Your first problem is ensuring trust of the information and that it isn't coopted by the regime (or an equally unsavory party). Once you do that, the need for external communication, or your communication perimeter, is established.

      Then we have the question of what type of message would be trusted. Do we need 4K video, or just text? Do we need to be able to prove sender identity and chain of custody?

      Any peer-to-peer communications system you build is unlikely to be effective at more than 6 hops, and you would likely need a communication radius of at least 20 miles, ideally 100 miles. So, you end up with super-peers in the mix... back to trust issues.

      I just puked in my mouth... but Blockchain?

    10. Re:contingency question by Notegg+Nornoggin · · Score: 0

      That's a bit rascist.

    11. Re:contingency question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Feel free to move elsewhere, then--just not to the US, please, I might want to move back there at some point.

    12. Re: contingency question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Totalitarian regimes don't give a fuck about deniability. The can just beat whatever confession they need out of you.

    13. Re:contingency question by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0

      In America, unfortunately the rural people have influence far beyond their numbers due to the outdated electoral college system. The urban elite are systematically disenfranchised. It's not any kind of democracy.

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    14. Re:contingency question by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      >I just puked in my mouth... but Blockchain?

      That would, in theory, do what? The government could out-hash the citizens, and if the outside world provides enough hash power to 'outgun' them, how is that different from any other system? And you still need a traceable connection to spread your message... radio sources can be triangulated.

    15. Re:contingency question by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      outdated electoral college system.

      The word "outdated" implies that the system was once good in the past but is no longer good now. Did I interpret your statement correctly? If so, I'd love to know what you consider good about the system in the past that no longer applies today.

    16. Re:contingency question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, because the electoral college is doing exactly whats its supposed to, not permitting a few states populations to determine the course for a whole country, you think its broken. Instead of crying like some self-entitled city dweller oblivious to everything around you, start a grassroots movement for change. I'm sure you can get a few of these "urban elites" to join you (as if they would, your position is anathema, and you definitely do not speak for them).

    17. Re: contingency question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The electoral college is based on slavery compromises and pre-telephone information sharing. These are non-issues today. The only thing remaining is that minority opinion votes don't count at all because winner takes all, and majority opinion votes often don't count as much as they should because small states get disproportionate representation.

      Technically, this affects Republicans and Democrats. Most people should be mad about it. Of course, the modern Republican party hasn't lost an election while having more votes. Maybe the *outdated system* would finally get changed if the shoe was on the other foot.

    18. Re: contingency question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No itâ(TM)s not, you blithering fuck-wad! The EC is to prevent a few populous cities from projecting policy across the greater flyover states. To eliminate the EC would be anti-federalism

    19. Re:contingency question by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      If so, I'd love to know what you consider good about the system in the past that no longer applies today.

      The Electoral College system encourages candidates to focus on broadening their appeal rather than deepening it. In the past, these helped to reduce regionalism, which was a major problem up to and through the civil war.

      Today, that doesn't help much, since the political divide is no longer between regions, but rather an urban/rural divide within regions.

    20. Re: contingency question by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Well it works at that. However it enables exactly the reverse to happen - a rural minority can impose its will on an urban majority.

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    21. Re:contingency question by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      It was good for convincing less populous states that they weren't going to get steamrollered by the more populous states.

      Personally I say let it stay, but make all electors proportional to the popular vote in their states. It would reduce the impact greatly, while not requiring a constitutional amendment to make such a change, and the rural states would still hold a slight edge in power, per capita.

      At the same time, enlarge the House of Representatives to whatever degree is necessary to make each representative stand for the same number of people, as closely as practical while keeping the total under, say, 600.

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    22. Re:contingency question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's called a gun, until the people stand up it's a worthless topic.

    23. Re:contingency question by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      Personally I say let it stay, but make all electors proportional to the popular vote in their states.

      Agreed. Fortunately, each state can do this by passing their own laws to do so. A few have. But not enough people understand the system well enough to advocate it or stand by it.

      At the same time, enlarge the House of Representatives to whatever degree is necessary to make each representative stand for the same number of people, as closely as practical while keeping the total under, say, 600.

      Can you clarify? When you say "each representative stand for the same number of people" what are you asking for? Right now, it is approximately one representative for every 700,000 people. It can never be exactly the same number of people per representative, unless we chop representatives into bits and reassembly them in the chamber. :-) Alaska would need about 1.06 representatives - maybe they should send someone with 6 fingers?

    24. Re:contingency question by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      The population of Wyoming was estimated at 586,107 in 2015. If we were to re-allocate, then it would be done on the basis that each representative stands for 586,107 people as near as possible. The population of the country was 320 million at that time, so that would mean 546 representatives almost exactly (assuming DC gets one). Vermont's population was 626,042, so perhaps it would be more fair to set the population-per-representative to 605,000 or so. (Wyoming would still get one.)

      That's the gist of the idea, but it would have to be modified slightly to accommodate states that would otherwise be left "in the cracks" as far as number of representatives. (Not such a huge problem with a large state, but it is if the options are one representative or two.) Thus, the actual population per representative might have to be tweaked mathematically to make the spread as fair as possible -- and this would have to be re-done every ten years, but we re-district every ten years already, so it's just adding one layer of complexity to a process we already do.

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    25. Re:contingency question by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      How is that fundamentally different from what they do now?
      United States congressional apportionment

      Currently, each representative represents, as close as possible without cutting off body parts, the same number of people. There are 2 ways to do this. One is what you suggested, which is to fix the number people value per representative, then calculate the resulting number of representatives. The way we do it now we fix the number of representatives, then calculate the number of people per representative. The benefit of the current approach is that congressional seats aren't appearing and disappearing every census. So the house won't double in size if suddenly Wyoming's population cuts in half. In terms of fairness I'm not sure it matters. Your calculation, which had a bit of hand-waving around the details, resulted in 600k people/rep instead of the 700k/rep we have now.

    26. Re:contingency question by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      The problem with what we have now is that since no state can have less than one representative, a state with fewer residents than the average district nationwide has disproportionate power in the House. Also, increasing the number of representatives decreases the power advantage of the rural states because the electors that correspond to senators will be diluted.

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  6. Wow. More Last Jedi Protests! by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

    As this movie opens around the world, the protests rage.

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  7. My prediction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The media that screams the loudest about supposed tyranny and injustice will be the least interested in this story. It might get 30 seconds on the back end of the news, near the feel-good story of the dog who can walk on his hind legs.

    1. Re:My prediction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, it's not like anyone in the Congo is going to be able to use the internet to read about what the media is telling the world. Unless their audience is clicking on the five bazillion advertisements that are on each page, their audience is useless.

  8. Ahead of Violence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    That's most likely true, but in a page taken from the administration over in the USA, what they're up to is being projected as the "other side's".

    Congo is shutting down internet services in preparation of the violence *the government* is preparing to unleash against those who would dare question their ruler. If the citizens of Congo have any wisdom or have ever read a history book, then they will strew their government's entrails across the capital before the military and "law-enforcement" forces have been fully mobilized.

    Otherwise the loss of life will be far greater, and almost entirely on the side of innocents.

    1. Re: Ahead of Violence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Otherwise the loss of life will be far greater, and almost entirely on the side of innocents.

      It's Africa, the dark continent. There are no innocents, just sins that have not yet been found out.

  9. Only way to be a dictator these days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If your not suppressing information you risk losing power. North Korea a perfect example of this type of rule. But even countries like China still try and suppressing information or at the very least monitor it. Congo is just another dictator type government bent on keeping its people in the dark.

    1. Re: Only way to be a dictator these days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      China only "tries" to supress information.. thats why a British report detailing the THOUSANDS KILLED AT TIENAMIN SQUARE only came to light last month.

      Yep. Our trade is TOTALLY going to liberalize the East! ANY DAY NOW...

  10. Back to the good old BBS days! by MavEtJu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Time to dust of these Fidonet Technical Standards printouts!

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    1. Re:Back to the good old BBS days! by antdude · · Score: 1

      BBSes were rad. ;)

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  11. So... by XSportSeeker · · Score: 1

    It's neither democratic, nor a republic.

    1. Re:So... by Jahta · · Score: 1

      It's neither democratic, nor a republic.

      As a general rule of thumb, if some person or group makes that sort of claim in their name then it's probably not true; see "family values" candidates, the Patriot Act, etc. etc.

    2. Re: So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nailed it. Itâ(TM)s like bills that pass in the House or Senate. Whatever itâ(TM)s called is the opposite of what it does. Take the Affordable Care Act. It should have been named the Unaffordable Access Act. Itâ(TM)s goal was to increase the number of insured people. Affordability had little to do with it. If affordability was the goal there wouldâ(TM)ve been price caps. Iâ(TM)m for the kind of affordable, low cost healthcare that exists in other nations. The Affordable Care Act got us 50% of the way with almost no provisions to make things affordable. Healthcare is still unaffordable. The government is just picking up the tab now providing access to those via the Medicare expansion who couldnâ(TM)t afford access before.

    3. Re: So... by tepples · · Score: 1

      If affordability was the goal [of the misleadingly named US Affordable Care Act,] there would've been price caps.

      The medical loss ratio (MLR) regulation in the ACA places a cap on costs related to administrative cost and shareholder profit at 20% of the premium. A hard price cap would imply a coverage cap.

      The ACA also imposes a price cap of 8 percent of gross income. If no qualified plan for a particular person has a premium below that after applicable subsidy, he is exempt from the individual shared responsibility payment.

  12. Wow! by MerlTurkin · · Score: 1

    They have internet???

  13. There I was. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There I was, there I was, there I was, in the Congo.

    1. Re:There I was. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hum a few bars...

  14. Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump would like to do the same here. Heâ(TM)s. bitch so he canâ(TM)t.

  15. Re:Get ready USAmericans.. by blindseer · · Score: 1

    Look at the Fourth Amendment to the US Constitution. Now look at the Fifth Amendment. Understand those? The Fourth says the government can't just bust open your door and go looking for stuff, they need a warrant. The Fifth says they can take your stuff, but only after they've either determined you've had your day in court or they've compensated you for it.

    Now, look at the Second Amendment. All that says is that the Fourth and Fifth Amendment applies to your weapons too. The Second Amendment can be repealed but that does not allow the government to go searching houses and taking people weapons. The people still have the right to keep their stuff, guns included.

    What keeps government agents from just using strong arm tactics and breaking the rules on confiscating the guns any way? The risk of getting shot for trying. Oh, you think that people can't just shoot a cop and get away with it? That's where the Fourth and Fifth Amendments come in again. The government has to give the accused their day in open court. What keeps them from violating that rule too? The risk of getting shot.

    The Second Amendment is redundant. Those that know the law also know it's redundant. Those that don't understand this think that repeal of the Second Amendment would make them safe from getting shot too. Tell me, what's a weapon? In truth just about anything is a weapon. If we have a government that capable of taking your guns then they are capable of taking anything you own.

    The Constitution says, "this is mine and you can't have it", while the Second Amendment just adds an exclamation point to that statement.

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  16. So they have anti-hate-speech laws in Congo, now by ffkom · · Score: 1

    ... just like recently enacted elsewhere in the world, just a little more effective.

  17. Re:Get ready USAmericans.. by Tenebrousedge · · Score: 0

    No, the point of the Second Amendment was that the Founders did not want a standing army. It burned to the ground with the Capitol in 1814. Your guns are completely useless against any modern military.

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  18. Re:Get ready USAmericans.. by blindseer · · Score: 2

    Really? Afghanistan has kept modern armies from invading with little more than riflemen on the backs of camels.

    The United States got their freedom from a nation with the largest and most powerful military in the world at the time. They had farmers with turkey guns, on foot.

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  19. Is it efficient? by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    IIRC during Arab springs, blocking Internet caused more people to go outside, because they could not just watch anymore.

    China and Russia taught us it is much more efficient for the government to keep internet online, and to inject propaganda into social medias.

  20. Re:Get ready USAmericans.. by Tenebrousedge · · Score: 0

    Riflemen and funneled US and Soviet arms.

    If you think that the American colonists defeated Britain by themselves you know nothing about the Revolution. To a first approximation they weren't even involved.

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  21. Re: Another TRUMP Victory by Maritz · · Score: 1

    ISIS destroyed. You're claiming that? LOL.

    You really are just a bunch of stupid cunts, really. No curing that.

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  22. Re:Get ready USAmericans.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The independence of the USA was won in large part by the French, who were able to deny the world power one of her largest colonies. And then turn around and say the French lose all their wars because of the world wars. But we portray ourselves in the best possible light in our history books.