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Intel with Radeon RX Vega Graphics: Core i7-8809G with 3.1 GHz Base, 100W Target TDP, Overclockable (anandtech.com)

Posted by msmash on from the watch-out dept.

An anonymous reader shares a report: To begin the year, Intel's Indian website has published a small number of details regarding Intel's first 'Intel with Radeon RX Vega Graphics' processor. Within the table of overclockable processors, accompanying the Core i9, Core i7-X and 8th Generation K processors is listed the Intel Core i7-8809G, a quad core processor with two sets of graphics options listed. The Core i7-8809G is not a part that Intel has formally announced in a press release, but on Intel's overclocking webpage here it as listed as being a quad-core processor with hyperthreading, supporting a 3.1 GHz base frequency, having an 8 MB L3 cache, a 100W 'Target' TDP, and supporting two channels of DDR4-2400. Intel lists both sets of graphics: the integrated graphics (iGPU, or IGP) as 'Intel HD Graphics 630', and the package graphics (pGPU) as 'Radeon RX Vega M GH Graphics'.

48 comments

  1. This is great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The only thing better is to get rid of the crappy Intel processor and replace with with an AMD Ryzen processor. Ryzen with Vega graphics would be the greatest thing ever, maybe with exception of RAM prices coming back down to a normal price.

    1. Re:This is great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd rather they got rid of the crappy Radeon and put a GeForce into an Intel CPU.

    2. Re:This is great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what so every computer had to reboot every hour to cope with the SHIT code Nvidia provide for drivers? no thanks.

    3. Re:This is great by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

      what so every computer had to reboot every hour to cope with the SHIT code Nvidia provide for drivers? no thanks.

      I guess we all have had different experiences - I have yet to have any issues with NVidia cards and drivers, and I have yet to be able to get any AMD cards to work with AMD drivers.

    4. Re:This is great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have that backwards. Nvidia hardware and drivers always just work and are rock solid stable and fast. ATI/AMD hardware and drivers are unstable, bug filled crap.

      The latest bonehead move done by AMD is killing DirectX 9 support in the latest driver with absolutely no care or intention of fixing it.

    5. Re:This is great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Warning! One of my leg humping trolls hacked my account! Until I get it back don't click on any cdreimer links!
      Slashdot management has been notified!

    6. Re:This is great by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Hey, I could bitch endlessly at nVidia dropping 8-bit acceleration support, thus making some games I own unplayable in OpenGL mode (Metal Gear Solid, as an example.)

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      Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
    7. Re:This is great by flopsquad · · Score: 1

      Intel with Crippling Silicon-level Security Vulnerabilities

      FTFTFS. In the spirit of fairness, though, I’d at least give them a little back in the subhead:

      Latest chip may be overclocked to make up for 5-30% performance hit users will suffer as a result of shoddy design

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      Nothing posted to /. has ever been legal advice, including this.
    8. Re: This is great by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      As an experienced 20+ year tech, this has largely been my experience.

    9. Re: This is great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly this, every AMD card I've owned has had some weird issue the last one a 7970 had some shit vsync issue with 2d graphics mode since it would limit the clock speed incorrectly required manual tweaking of memory and timers and it still didn't always work had random white lines appear in YouTube videos. Nvidia 1070 that I have now is rock solid, installed the drivers and it just worked.

    10. Re:This is great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only proving you are an incompetent klutz.

    11. Re:This is great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Are you really trying to compare 8-bit acceleration support (which nothing used) to DirectX 9 support (which shitloads of games used)? You're out of your fucking mind, junior.

      Metal Gear Solid is a console game. The PC version was only ever a very lazy and sloppy port that barely worked in the first place (which is why it used an obscure 8-bit acceleration mode). Aside from that, all Metal Gear games are complete and utter garbage.

    12. Re:This is great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Intel and AMD has a cross-licensing patent agreement in place to exchange technology. For Intel to have a GeForce GPU inside its processors, they would have to fork over some serious cash to NVidia. That's not happening since both companies compete in the machine learning space.

      Yeah, calling bullshit on that.

    13. Re:This is great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you obviously never had to deal with the HP / Nvidia laptop problem where you'd have to bake the motherboard and hope that the GPU would work again. I lost all respect for Nividia, not that I ever had any. I have only purchased one Nvidia card which I still own. Before I started using ATI/AMD cards, it was Matrox and before that it was Voodoo. The only way to have any AMD/ATI driver issues with Linux and even that has gotten better.

    14. Re:This is great by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "Are you really trying to compare 8-bit acceleration support (which nothing used)"

      Plenty of games used it, moron.

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      Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
    15. Re:This is great by HappyPsycho · · Score: 1

      Any AMD card to work with AMD's drivers is a pretty strong statement that I find hard to believe. Especially given the amount of reviewers that put AMD cards up against nVidia cards whenever a new one from either camp comes out seems to indicate a PEBCAK issue (almost all the reviewers I watch / read include stuff like the drivers / included software gave us these problems when we tried using it or we hate the interface because its clunky so I would expect driver issues to come up if they were experiencing them).

      I have used both and in the main they both work reasonably well I've had the occasional issue with both camps (e.g. had to completely uninstall nvidia drivers and do a fresh install to get mpeg decoding acceleration working at least once, I've also had some fun getting OpenCL working on the RX 280 in my current desktop).

  2. There's no link. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's no link, care to provide one?

    1. Re:There's no link. by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Here's a link.

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      #DeleteFacebook
  3. quitting time for msmash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Time for beddy-bye msmash. A link would be nice...

    1. Re:quitting time for msmash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure how such an obvious Microsoft shill started working for Slashdot. For fuck's sake, "MS" is right in the name.

  4. intel needs more pci-e lanes! by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    intel needs more pci-e lanes!
    I hope this does not dump all cpu io to the DMI bus.

  5. Frozen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hell has officially frozen over. No wonder it's so cold right now!

  6. Made for Apple? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's pretty noticeable Apple have been using Intel CPUs and either Intel or AMD Radeon GPUs.

    So an Intel CPU with an AMD Radeon GPU on the same package seems to be aimed squarely at Apple.

    Of course a lot of people thought that was the case with Atom - it was aimed at the upcoming Macbook Air. Of course Apple decided to pass on it.

    So it'll be interesting to see if Apple go for this part. It's not clear if it will fit in a standard socket

    https://www.anandtech.com/show...

    I would add that the Core i7-8809G is listed in a table with other desktop processors. There are no mobile processors in this table, which one might extrapolate that this processor is aiming for a desktop/socketed motherboard. It would be very easy for Intel to enable this in current Coffee Lake-capable motherboard solutions, as long as the size of the combined package was suitable (and the power management of the Coffee Lake motherboards could cope with the Vega graphics as well as the CPU). Judging by the renders provided by Intel, it doesn't look the case, so it could possibly be that we're looking at a new motherboard/socket combination, or perhaps this will only be sold as an onboard CPU, similar to Intel's Atom processors. Assuming it is made available for home builds at all, that is.

    I.e. it's an interesting technical achievement but like many interesting technical achievements by Intel you have to wonder who - if anyone - will actually buy it.

    And the power consumption advantage of EMIB seems to be somewhat moot given the TDP is 100W. This is not a low power part. Then again a Core-i7 and an Vega was never likely to be.

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    echo -e 'global _start\n _start:\n mov eax, 2\n int 80h\n jmp _start' > a.asm; nasm a.asm -f elf; ld a.o -o a;
    1. Re:Made for Apple? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "you have to wonder who - if anyone - will actually buy it."

      I see it as an interesting way to create a retro looking mini gamer computer inside an old c64 case...

      I will likely buy one in 2020, to make ... the Commodore Vic 2020 - the most badass VIC 20 of them all!

    2. Re:Made for Apple? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      I know you're an AC troll and thus not, strictly speaking, a person but that reminds me of the notion that Intel Macs are a replacement for Itanium. E.g. back in the Itanium days Intel had two non mobile platforms

      1) PCs. Very cost sensitive. They compete with AMD which keeps down x86 their prices lower than they'd like though there is evidence that when AMD is uncompetitive Intel spend less on R&D. Also there is always the threat of people using alternate architectures - e.g. ACE Risc servers in the 90's or ARM now - both Windows, ChromeOS and Android all work on ARM. I.e. even when AMD are doing badly, Intel are still somewhat constrained by the extremely cost sensitive nature of the PC market.

      2) Itanium. Single source CPU, though they had multiple vendors.

      Itanium is now Mostly Dead. Still they've replaced it with Apple. Apple Macs use Intel x86/x64 chips, but they're not really PCs - they're a single vendor systems tuned to run a custom OS, though admittedly Macs can run Windows in Bootcamp or in a VM. Arguably Intel spend way more trying to keep Apple happy and using their chips than they do for a typical PC vendor who mostly takes whatever Intel provides. And Apple have managed to use the single vendor-ness of their ecosystem to sell Macs at higher prices than PCs - essentially the Mac mobile market is 'ultrabook and up' whereas you can buy PCs from about $200 up. And most of the volume is concentrated at the cheap end of the market.

      So Apple give them a way to sell chips to customers who are less cost sensitive. I bet Apple are a pain to deal with though.

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      echo -e 'global _start\n _start:\n mov eax, 2\n int 80h\n jmp _start' > a.asm; nasm a.asm -f elf; ld a.o -o a;
    3. Re:Made for Apple? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      True. You could fit a mini ITX motherboard and a half length GPU into a pretty small space, but not C64 sized. Also this beastie uses 100W, so you'd need to have a laptop style cooling solution with heat pipes and fans to stop it throttling.

      I think I'd go for the Mini ITX case and probably a full length GPU to be honest - you can upgrade it later and you can use desktop style CPU coolers so long as you watch the clearance.

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      echo -e 'global _start\n _start:\n mov eax, 2\n int 80h\n jmp _start' > a.asm; nasm a.asm -f elf; ld a.o -o a;
  7. 4 cores? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why does the i7-8809G have only 4 cores? I thought new CPUs had at least 6 cores. Only the celeron (i3) class CPUs feature 4 cores.

    Maybe they need to move the pGPU away from the CPU for better heat dissipation performance. It's a bad idea to put the both a power-intensive i7 CPU right next to a power-intensive pGPU. I we had some distance between them, then we'd get 6 cores.

    1. Re:4 cores? by arth1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Why does the i7-8809G have only 4 cores? I thought new CPUs had at least 6 cores.

      It's 4 cores with hyperthreading, so 8 virtual cores, and not a lot slower performance than 6 cores.
      A benefit of fewer cores is that you can generally clock them higher - this one runs at 3.1 GHz before turbo mode or overclocking, which is fairly decent. If you mainly run programs that doesn't scale well to more cores than 4, like most games, that's going to be more beneficial than say a 2.6 GHz 6-core CPU.

    2. Re:4 cores? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the i3 has 2 cores. hyperthreading makes it look like 4. the i7 has 4, with hyperthreading that appears as 8. but you don't count hyperthreading as a true core.

    3. Re:4 cores? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      the i3 has 2 cores. hyperthreading makes it look like 4. the i7 has 4, with hyperthreading that appears as 8.

      That was before AMD's Ryzen, i.e. in Skylake, Kaby Lake etc. After Ryzen, i.e. Coffee Lake, i3 = 4 cores and i5 and i7 have 6 cores. That's the effect of competition.

    4. Re:4 cores? by PixetaledPikachu · · Score: 1

      Why does the i7-8809G have only 4 cores? I thought new CPUs had at least 6 cores.

      It's 4 cores with hyperthreading, so 8 virtual cores, and not a lot slower performance than 6 cores. A benefit of fewer cores is that you can generally clock them higher - this one runs at 3.1 GHz before turbo mode or overclocking, which is fairly decent. If you mainly run programs that doesn't scale well to more cores than 4, like most games, that's going to be more beneficial than say a 2.6 GHz 6-core CPU.

      He's referring to 8th generation desktop processor (8xxx, 8xxxK Coffee lake) that generally have 6 physical cores on i5 and i7 models (i3 parts have 4, instead of 2 on Kaby Lake). Having 4 physical cores might indicate that this model is based on older Kaby Lake model, which for the 8th generation, has been reserved for Mobile Low Voltage (8xxxU) parts

    5. Re:4 cores? by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Since when has any of Intel's naming and numbering schemes made any sense?* I'm pretty sure they are still selling dual core i7's for mobile. So a quad-core i7 on the desktop? Sure, why not?

  8. No Gsync Tax! by BrookHarty · · Score: 4, Interesting

    With 2k 144hz freesync monitors hitting 299, the 200-300 dollars more for a gsync monitor, is a nice savings.

  9. new mac mini (pro) starting at $999 with 256G ssd by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    new mac mini (pro) starting at $999 with 256G ssd and 4GB ram!

  10. Re:new mac mini (pro) starting at $999 with 256G s by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

    new mac mini (pro) starting at $999 with 256G ssd and 4GB ram!

    * 4GB Ram and 64G eMMC, both soldered.

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    echo -e 'global _start\n _start:\n mov eax, 2\n int 80h\n jmp _start' > a.asm; nasm a.asm -f elf; ld a.o -o a;
  11. Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are AMD GPU drivers still as terrible on Linux as they've been for 20+ years?

    1. Re:Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are open source now and general consensus seems to be that they are the best available on Linux.

  12. wHAT? by jason777 · · Score: 1

    Can someone translate this to english?

  13. Is that a typo? by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    2400 MHz DDR4? All the 8th edition CPUs I've seen have 2666 native memory controllers. Why the downclock if they're going for high speed graphics access to the system's RAM? In fact, the 3rd gen Kaveri APUs from AMD had 2400MHz DDR3 native or something like that, which blows away DDR4 considering the CAS latency.

    1. Re:Is that a typo? by cpurdy · · Score: 1

      If it's actually a VEGA and not an April Fools Joke, then the memory is likely stacked on top of the CPU (called "HBM", which Jack Paar would have found funny). That means that the GPU would have a *very* wide memory bus of its own, while the CPU would have its own 2400MHz bus that it would share with DMA etc. I just can't believe that Intel integrated a VEGA onto an Intel CPU. I really hope it's a huge hit, just so we'll see crazy shit like this in the future!

  14. Re:new mac mini (pro) starting at $999 with 256G s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A new computer sold in 2018 with 4GB of ram and 64GB of storage for $1000?

    Yeap, gotta be a Mac.