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What's On Center Stage at the CES Tech Show? Your Voice (apnews.com)

Posted by ryuzaki0 on from the shape-of-things-to-come dept.

An anonymous reader shares a report: Some of the most popular gadgets over the holiday season were smart speakers with digital assistants from Amazon and Google. Apple is coming out with its own speaker this year; Microsoft and Samsung have partnered on another. As the annual CES gadget show kicks off in Las Vegas this week, manufacturers are expected to unveil even more voice-controlled devices -- speakers and beyond -- as Amazon and Google make their digital assistants available on a wider array of products. If these prove popular, you'll soon be able to order around much more of your house, including kitchen appliances, washing machines and other devices.

46 comments

  1. Order? by nospam007 · · Score: 3, Funny

    "If these prove popular, you'll soon be able to order around much more of your house, including kitchen appliances, washing machines and other devices."

    IOW an AW.

    Artificial Wife.

    1. Re:Order? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It is some kind of american thing - to have a stupid female voice acting like a real "wife" and no way to fuck it.

      Libturds have achieved culmination of their meaningless miserable existence.

    2. Re:Order? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the plus side, this is the first Slashdot headline in the better part of a year that doesn't have "Russians," "Net Neuterality," or "Trump Sucks" in the text.
       
      Maybe Miss Mash got off her regimen of ergot fungus?

    3. Re:Order? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Funny

      Artificial Wife.

      No, that is completely backwards. With these new devices, you tell THEM what to do.

    4. Re:Order? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What good is it to remotely control the washing machine? I have to go over there to put the clothes in, anyway. How is it an improvement when I do that to talk to the washing machine instead of turning a knob?

    5. Re:Order? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is it an improvement when I do that to talk to the washing machine instead of turning a knob?

      It's not about convenience, it's about giving your corporate-overlord-of-choice ever greater penetration into your day-to-day life.

    6. Re:Order? by Agripa · · Score: 1

      It is some kind of american thing - to have a stupid female voice acting like a real "wife" and no way to fuck it.

      At least the artificial wife doesn't take all of your wealth and children in the divorce until they change the EULA.

  2. Internet connected, always on microphones. by RedK · · Score: 2

    A good idea for sure. What could go wrong ?

    --
    "Not to mention all the idiots who use words like boxen."
    Anonymous Coward on Monday August 04, @06:49PM
    1. Re:Internet connected, always on microphones. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yep, and calling those devices as smart speakers is just plain wrong. Their main functionality is to gather information from the products, ie. the idiots who are so stupid they will actually pay for being spied on.

    2. Re:Internet connected, always on microphones. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing

      Surely

      Amiss

    3. Re:Internet connected, always on microphones. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullhorn: "ALEXA SIRI CORTANA..."

      I mean if it worked for South Park surely it works for the rest of us snarky assbutts

    4. Re:Internet connected, always on microphones. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're blinded by your pessimism, if this technology could be used for surveillance, as you're implying, it's not necessarily a bad thing.

      We live in an age where anonymous internet trolls can spout violence against LGBTQIA2 people and suffer no consequence. Ubiquitous surveillance is looking more and more like the only solution to this, and also the only remedy against the rise of neo-Nazis, the alt-right and other Trump-loving bigots.

    5. Re:Internet connected, always on microphones. by Albanach · · Score: 1

      I have a whole bunch around the house. Let's think what information they are gathering...

      Where I live and how interested I am in knowing the weather and whether Target is still open.
      My musical preferences
      My dog's musical preferences - they get music when I'm not home
      My radio preferences
      Random questions about every interest a child in the house has. How long does xxx animal live?

      Pretty much everything I ask of the Google Home is something I'd otherwise ask Google in the browser except the odd automation related thing - turn that lamp on/that lamp off.

      Tracking cookies on websites are much more concerning to me than anything I tell a smart speaker.

    6. Re: Internet connected, always on microphones. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, you're right. Ubiquitous surveillance is the only answer to thought crime.

    7. Re:Internet connected, always on microphones. by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      I think it'd be a good idea to start calling them Smart Microphones instead. Certainly, for the people who sell it, the microphone is the primary feature. The speaker serves a similar function to a loss leader - a sweetener necessary to get people to buy it.
      I mean, I guess they can push ads with the speaker too.

    8. Re:Internet connected, always on microphones. by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      It hears everything, not just what you tell it.

    9. Re:Internet connected, always on microphones. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then stop using Google and use StartPage.com? Anonymous searching, using Google?
      You do realise that the MICROPHONE is always on and is ALWAYS listening to everything you say and do in your house, and that doesn't bother you? You're exactly the sort of idiot this is marketed at.

      Do you not understand that Google can now LISTEN TO EVERYTHING YOU SAY IN YOUR OWN HOUSE, ALL THE TIME? That doesn't bother you? My God...

      And I've just noticed loads of posts from other idiots saying "I have an Echo at home and blah blah blah", and they can't even understand that these things can hear EVERYTHING they say, and send it back to Google. I don't have a microphone on my PC. On my tablet, I have filled the microphone socket with blu tac, and tried to record my voice through it, and you can't understand what I'm saying, so that's pretty safe too (and I rarely talk much while using my tablet.)

  3. best part by AndyKron · · Score: 2

    The best part about all of this is life is finite and I don't have any children that will be subjected to this continuing madness. I am the answer to the Drake equation question.

  4. How does this all work in practice by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    A home full of voice controlled devices seems kind of nightmarish. I see so much potential for overlapping responses, especially with Amazon adding Alexa into so many devices... is your Echo going to respond? Your microwave? Your toilet?

    Or maybe it will be "OK toilet, flush now", "OK microwave, heat for 30 seconds". But then they lose the branding so I don't see that happening.

    Seems like it's way better to have a voice assistant hub and then a lot of devices that can do things based on that...

      I'm sure as appliance makers get into the game they will treat security around your microphone with even more disdain than Google, making for a bad time.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:How does this all work in practice by known_coward_69 · · Score: 2

      I have an Echo and you have to be specific in what you say. The skill developer codes it into the skill. You can't just say Alexa vacuum. you have to specify the brand of vacuum you have just like irobot or whoever coded it.

      same with all their other thousand skills. it's kind of annoying for anything past the simple stuff like play music or get the news/weather. you have to remember what to say

    2. Re:How does this all work in practice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's what I dislike about echo and its "skills" you have to talk to it like you're building a command at the command line for it to get anything right. Google home on the other hand handles commands more like natural conversation.

      As for a house full of these devices. I have 3 google home minis. The have an algorithm built in that detect which one you are closest to and only that one responds. I have never had more than one of my google homes activate to the hey google/ok google keyword even if said loud enough that more than one of them could definitely hear it. I have no idea how it actually works, i would assume for quickest response time they are all communicating with each other over the lan to compare which herd the command the loudest. Another thing that makes me suspect they have communication with each other over the lan is when you use them to do whole house music. The music playing on all them is in perfect sync, no weird echo delays. Either one of them acts as a master and sends audio to the rest, or they are all streaming from whatever service individually, and using some time base between them to keep everything in sync.

    3. Re:How does this all work in practice by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Yeah I figured if you had multiple Echos or Dots or Google Home devices only one would respond, I'm more thinking when a number of appliances are around that also all accept voice commands, no way will they coordinate as nicely with other nearby voice controlled devices.

      I like some amount of voice control, it just seems like appliance makers (and Amazon in particular) seem to be going a bit overboard.

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      "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    4. Re:How does this all work in practice by KingMotley · · Score: 2

      I have 1 echo and 5 dots. They have similar functionality where if more than one hears it, then (usually) only one responds. It works well, but it's not perfect.

      Music works the same way. Playing music on multiple devices are perfectly in sync.

      As for the skills, that depends a lot on who the skill writer is. Nest is probably the best of the ones I've found. Philips is pretty bad. But almost all of them you can rename the device, so you don't have to call the roomba "roomba". I don't call my hue lights "philips hue color lamp 1", I call it "bathroom lights". It definitely could be improved however.

    5. Re:How does this all work in practice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With multiple echos or homes around the house there should be no need for individual appliances to respond to voice themselves. The echos or homes could handle that. You can already do it with google home, I can be in my living room and tell it to start playing a song on one of the homes in another room, be in the livingroom and tell it to start playing a move on the chromecast in the bedroom. It can also control things like IoT light bulbs and the like that way.

    6. Re:How does this all work in practice by green1 · · Score: 1

      I'm glad the speakers figured it out, because I had to disable it on most of my phones. I say "ok Google" and my watch, personal phone, and work phone all light up and all try to reply independently. If my wife is nearby her phone also responds about 50% of the time despite voice training.
      The idea of being able to add a speaker without making the problem even worse has always seemed unlikely.

    7. Re:How does this all work in practice by Albanach · · Score: 1

      That's what I dislike about echo and its "skills" you have to talk to it like you're building a command at the command line for it to get anything right. Google home on the other hand handles commands more like natural conversation.

      Yeah I was an early Alexa adopter but last year switched them out and now own a Google Home or Mini for pretty much every room. The voice interaction is better and the answers are more accurate.

      The only thing I miss is the inter-device intercom which is much better than Google's "Broadcast".

    8. Re:How does this all work in practice by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      The have an algorithm built in that detect which one you are closest to and only that one responds.

      Out of curiosity: does the "skill" or whatever Google calls their speaker apps also know which speaker you are closest to? That could be useful, and it's something that's missing from the Amazon Echo. For example "Lights on" should turn the lights on in the room you are in, without having to specify the room.

      As for smart appliances and the like, I would much prefer that they do not include Echo or Google Home or whatever, but have an API that plugs seamlessly into whichever home automation system I have, with or without voice control.

      --
      If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
    9. Re:How does this all work in practice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I honestly don't know that yet. I haven't yet bought any smart bulbs to link to them and try them out.

      I do know that with the google home and chromecast integration it does work that way. When you setup all the devices you can pick what rooms they are located in throughout your house. So if I am in my bedroom and use the bedroom google home and tell it to play a movie it will by default play it on the bedroom TV chromecast, unless I tell it to play it on a different TV.

      Same with music by default if you ask it to play a song it will only play on that particular google home, unless you were previously listening to music on all the google home's thoughout the house, then it will prompt if you still want to play music on all speakers.

      My understanding of how the integration works, at least with say like the Philips Hue bulbs The bulbs communicate with Philips cloud servers though their hub. Google interacts with them though APIs to the same cloud servers. So I would assume any other appliance would work similarly. Google would have to interface with whatever APIs they are using with their cloud service to control the appliance.

      The cloud served way seems to be the way most companies are doing this. Most people don't want to deal with a difficult setup. They want to buy their new stove or fridge, link it to their wifi, download an app on their phone and just have it work.

    10. Re:How does this all work in practice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You also can have it play music to the chromecasts. In my case I have the living room chromecast on an HDMI switch box that breaks out the audio and i feed that into my surround decoder. I just leave the surround decoder on most of the time. So at any time I can tell it to play whatever song on the living room tv and the audio will start playing out of my surround setup. Pretty much makes the one gripe about the google home mini not having a line out jack a moot point. I can leave my TV off and it plays fine with this setup, or turn the TV on and see the artist/song title and album art on the screen.

    11. Re:How does this all work in practice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol I keep thinking of things to add. Another cool feature when playing music to the chromecast. If while a song is playing and you ask the google home to do something, it will actually duck down the volume on the music playing on the chromecast so you can better hear the response from the google home, then return the volume back when it's done speaking. The response comes from the google home itself and not played though the chromecast that is playing music.

  5. Too Many People In Too Small A Space by mallyn · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Too many people in too small of a space.

    Lines for food, airline, hotel, are too long.

    Takes about 1/2 hour to get a taxi.

    Takes about 1 hour for taxi ride from Venetion to the convention center

    Los Vegas is not a good walking city.

    The convention staff act too much like cowboys treating us like cattle. The only thing missing are the whips.

    Lots of stuff that we will never see later.

    And finally, the unwashed masses!

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    Most Respectfully Yours Mark Allyn Bellingham, Washington
    1. Re:Too Many People In Too Small A Space by antdude · · Score: 1

      Same for E3 and many others. :P

      --
      Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
  6. My voice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lol, good luck

  7. I already talk to myself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't need to go any crazier talking to my electronics.

  8. War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. by jabberw0k · · Score: 5, Insightful

    and now "Speakers" are microphones.

    1. Re:War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      >now "Speakers" are microphones.

      Absolutely. With 100% certainty you can bet the marketing folks advised their companies that marketing these as speakers was mandatory to head off the average consumer thinking about an always-on microphone being in their home.

    2. Re:War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. by stabiesoft · · Score: 2

      Speakers were always microphones, they are just a diaphragm with a coil.

    3. Re:War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1, you beat me to it!

  9. Las Vegas is OK for walking by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I've been to CES and other Vegas conventions several times. Vegas IS OK for walking, though the blocks are pretty large it's manageable.

    The thing to do (especially for CES) is to stay near to the convention center, and walk over to the strip when you want to go there. There are a few smaller hotels down the street that are cheaper and OK (like a Best Western) and within 10 min walking, so you can avoid the whole taxi mess and have a place you can easily summon an Uber from. As for the people, there seem to be times when there are fewer people than others... especially opening is a really good time to get there, spend and hour and take off. Then come back and walk around during lunch.

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  10. Manufacturers are expected to unveil even more by nwaack · · Score: 1

    I REALLY don't want an always-on microphone in my bathroom or bedroom. If a product that goes in either of those rooms has this "feature" I will not be buying that product.

  11. My voice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I won't even be there.

  12. Introvert vs Extrovert by irrational_design · · Score: 1

    I'm very much an Introvert and can go a long time without speaking a word (I once attended a conference and realized afterwards that I probably spoke 10 words the entire week). I would never use this kind of thing. I sort of wonder - are those creating and marketing these devices possibly more on the extrovert end of the spectrum? It never would have occurred to me to create these sorts of things since I would never want to interface with one.

  13. I'll tell you one thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's on center stage at the CES tech show? It won't be Ajit Pai. That's for sure.

    1. Re:I'll tell you one thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He couldn't make it. He'll be next door at the AVN awards. Picking up the trophy for best rim job given to an industry executive.