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Top US Government Computers Linked to Revenge-Porn Site (thedailybeast.com)

Joseph Cox, reporting for The Daily Beast: Data obtained by a security analyst and shared with The Daily Beast reveals the behind-the-scenes of the epicenter of revenge porn: a notorious image board called Anon-IB, where users constantly upload non-consensual imagery, comment on it, and trade nudes like baseball cards. The data shows Anon-IB users connecting from U.S. Senate, Navy, and other government computers, including the Executive Office of the President, even as senators push for a bill that would further combat the practice, and after the military's own recent revenge-porn crisis. "Wow tig ol bitties. You have any nudes to share?" someone wrote in November, underneath a photo of a woman who apparently works in D.C., while connecting from an IP address registered to the U.S. Senate.

Anon-IB is a free-to-use message board where users post images, typically of women, and which is split into various genre or location sections. Some parts are focused on countries, while U.S. sections may narrow down to a state. Many users pursue so-called wins, which are nude or explicit photos, and may egg each other on to share more images. Anon-IB was also intertwined with a 2014 breach of celebrity nudes referred to as The Fappening. "Looking for wins of [redacted]. She used to send nudes to my friend all of the time. Would love to see some more," someone connecting from the U.S. Senate IP address wrote last August.

97 comments

  1. ain't no saints in the city by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    this should come as no surprise to anyone.

    1. Re:ain't no saints in the city by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Under current laws the "security researcher / security analyst" either had permission to investigate the government computer systems and likely is now in violation of releasing information which might be or come to be used during a criminal or civil trial; or the "security researcher / security analyst" is in violation of the Computer Fraud Act (or its latest incarnation) making him or her the subject of a criminal investigation and potentially a natural security / espionage investigation which carries a heavy penalty.

  2. Seen a few of those "revenge porn" videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    They always featured known 'stars' who've done multiple other films, a few of them in the same "revenge" category.

    Not saying that legitimate revenge porn isn't a thing that hasn't slandered someone's name... just saying people get awfully uppity over something that has more or less become a business model.

    1. Re: Seen a few of those "revenge porn" videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh?

    2. Re:Seen a few of those "revenge porn" videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're an idiot. The existence of revenge-porn-themed commercial porn has no more relevance to actual revenge porn than schoolgirl-themed commercial porn has to actual child porn.

  3. Re:obama-clinton legacy by Opportunist · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Though for some odd reason, whenever some politician can't weasel out of some sleazy sex allegation and has to make some sort of public statement, begging for forgiveness, it's some conservative.

    Granted, mostly because no liberal gives a fuck what their politicians do in the bed as long as they do their work...

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  4. Yes, and? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    They're still anonymous. Why did you post this on Slashdot?

    1. Re:Yes, and? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm glad that he posted this, because I didn't know about it. I'm going to check it out when I get home from work. :)

    2. Re:Yes, and? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why wait until you get home? I'm you won't get caught checking it out at work.

  5. Re:obama-clinton legacy by RedK · · Score: 2, Informative

    Though for some odd reason, whenever some politician can't weasel out of some sleazy sex allegation and has to make some sort of public statement, begging for forgiveness, it's some conservative.

    Err... what ? Al Franken ? Conyers ? Ted Kennedy ? Bill Clinton ? Just off the top of my head.

    Can we not pretend that this is even remotely partisan ?

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  6. Link to site please? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pics or it didn't happen.

  7. What's so revenge-like about... by Nutria · · Score: 0

    "She used to send nudes to my friend all of the time"?

    Looks like women trying to attract powerful men.

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    1. Re:What's so revenge-like about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      powerful men? on the anon board?

      put down the crack pipe... and back away from the computer... slowly...

    2. Re:What's so revenge-like about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Doesn't mean they should end up on display for anybody to see. It isn't her fault the dude she sent them to was like "I should put these for everybody in the world to see, complete with her name. I don't need to ask permission because ah fuck it."

    3. Re:What's so revenge-like about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How typical of slashdot tech bros, whenever women are raped you immediately jump to blame the victim.

      Since you must be a virgin, I suggest you go fuck yourself, that will take care of your problem.

    4. Re: What's so revenge-like about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoaaaa there bunk. Who said anything about rape? Strawman much.

    5. Re:What's so revenge-like about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "She used to send nudes to my friend all of the time"?

      Looks like women trying to attract powerful men.

      Or, more simply, just a woman sending photos to an intimate partner, without an ulterior motive.

    6. Re:What's so revenge-like about... by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      100% the fault is with the person who broke trust.

      There is NOTHING wrong with someone sharing the most explicit sexual photos of themselves with whoever they want to share them with. There's plenty wrong with passing on photos you have received without permission to do so.

    7. Re:What's so revenge-like about... by Nutria · · Score: 1

      Women (and men) have known for millennia that men are amoral pigs, most of whom will say anything to fuck any female he thinks is slightly attractive and vaguely willing, and then brag about it. The others are too chicken.

      For women to expect that men won't do this is stupidity of the highest magnitude.

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    8. Re:What's so revenge-like about... by Nutria · · Score: 1

      You keep on living in Utopia, buddy, where no one their doors. The rest of us will keep on locking our doors and keep telling our daughters not to do stupid shit like this.

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    9. Re:What's so revenge-like about... by Baron_Yam · · Score: 2

      I am aware of the difference between what is 'right' and what is practical.

      Your response, however is telling. Why just your daughters? Why isn't it just as bad sons are sending dick pics?

      That attitude has to change, and saying "That's just the way it is" is not the way to do it.

    10. Re:What's so revenge-like about... by Nutria · · Score: 1

      Why isn't it just as bad sons are sending dick pics?

      Trying to pull a Tu quoque... but no: this article is about women sending nude photos of themselves. When there's an article about guys sending dick pics to women, I'll duly criticize the guys.

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    11. Re:What's so revenge-like about... by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      >Trying to pull a Tu quoque...

      No, the hypocrisy is real, and you're selectively interpreting my posts...for what? To look clever? To me you're just looking thick.

    12. Re:What's so revenge-like about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ... will say anything to fuck any female ...

      If he can convince a woman to spread her thighs, of course, she will be sending slut-pics. This is humiliation of a female making bad choices; while we ignore the selfish behaviour and hypocrisy of the male who encouraged and demanded such bad choices.

      The others are too chicken.

      A telling judgement: Namely, that men who don't tolerate bad choices and worse, don't take advantage of them, must be disrespected.

    13. Re:What's so revenge-like about... by Nutria · · Score: 1

      Since I'm not excusing guys who do it (and not many others either -- refer to Anthony Weiner if you don't believe me), your accusation of hypocrisy is completely bogus.

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    14. Re:What's so revenge-like about... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Or maybe she just had a relationship with him and trusted him too much, or maybe she made a mistake because you know young people and flattery...

      Nothing about this seems to warrant blaming the victim.

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    15. Re:What's so revenge-like about... by Nutria · · Score: 0

      Or maybe she just had a relationship with him and trusted him too much, or maybe she made a mistake because you know young people and flattery...

      Women and girls constantly whine about guys bragging about their sexual conquests. Sharing nude selfies comes from the same mindset.

      If the matriarchy is truly to arrive, women have to stop being so stupid.

      Nothing about this seems to warrant blaming the victim.

      I'd blame you if your car was stolen and you left the door unlocked and the keys in the car.

      The thief should still be arrested, and I'd be glad he (because, honestly, how many female car thieves are there?) was, yet I'd still blame you for gross stupidity.

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    16. Re:What's so revenge-like about... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Young people will never stop being stupid. That's human nature.

      A society that doesn't allow people to make mistakes and recover from them will suck.

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    17. Re:What's so revenge-like about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Young people will never stop being stupid. That's human nature.

      Ok, then as GP said, the matriarchy will never arrive... just like the magical communist utopia. Human nature is incompatible with it.

      A society that doesn't allow people to make mistakes and recover from them will suck.

      Who said anything about not allowing people to make mistakes? This is about when people do make mistakes, we don't coddle them and lie to them that it isn't their own stupid fault.

      A society that lies to its own people sucks. Present tense, because we see what happens when propaganda succeeds in fooling the people (be it the everything-is-sexist/racist/homophobic Kool Aid from the left, or the Trump-can-do-no-wrong Kool Aid from the right)

    18. Re:What's so revenge-like about... by Nutria · · Score: 1

      Exactly. The Soviet Union collapsed because people weren't allowed to say how bad Communism sucked.

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  8. Re:obama-clinton legacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You overlooked the key phrase. Most of the "liberal"/"progressive"/"whatever name they claimed this year" politicians find ways to weasel out of the allegations. Only the conservative ones are forced to actually address the event.

    Or so it had been. "Alternate media" is drawing some attention to those who used to get away with drowning a "conquest" to avoid a drunk driving ticket.

  9. we did it fam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    we got 'tig ol bitties' on the front page of slashdot, natalie portman would be proud and naked and petrified...

  10. Revenge porn is GOOD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    In general people are not handling (post)modern society well at all. Their instincts, especially the sexual ones, are under very little self control and are manipulated by media quite easily.

    Revenge porn is a critical antidote.
    It forces everyone to account for reality. The women featured of course try to suppress the images and deny their promiscuity and the problems that go with it.
    For the men who see these images it forces them to acknowledge the decreased value of promiscuous women: they have habits no one can live with and they have already burned through their potential.

    If anyone disagrees they have significantly corrupted integrity and sense of personal responsibility. This is a simple issue. If you think revenge porn should be illegal you are not a sane person.

    1. Re:Revenge porn is GOOD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It forces everyone to account for reality.

      Are you unable to separate content created for private vs. public consumption? Do you see any harm with the government putting cameras in every room in your house to ensure and enforce its citizens act with "integrity and sense of personal responsibility"?

      The women featured of course try to suppress the images and deny their promiscuity and the problems that go with it.

      Maybe fifty years ago. The issue today is privacy and the violation of trust. How illegal this violation is is another matter.

    2. Re:Revenge porn is GOOD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Myself, I'm ambivalent with mixed feelings about revenge porn laws. On one hand, a lot of law is just trying to codify the idea of "don't do anything too mean" - and posting someone's naked pictures on the internet without their permission is pretty mean. But, on the other hand, there's the First Amendment - freedom of speech.

      However, my reason's for not wanting my wife to have affairs really has nothing to do with the question of naked pictures of her posted to the internet as revenge porn from a former lover. As far as I'm concerned, my wife is totally welcome to post naked pictures of herself on the internet - as long as they're not easily traced back to the current physical address where we're living. But I would be very concerned about pregnancy and infectious disease if she had an affair - and I also like the idea of us both being fully committed to our relationship with each other - doing everything we can to make it work - which wouldn't be the case if she was out having affairs.

  11. Convenient justification for an internet crackdown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    don't you think?

  12. Re:Convenient justification for an internet crackd by HumanWiki · · Score: 2

    don't you think?

    Well, given that the domain hosting it has a .SU TLD, other than some complicated blocking routine among a lot of ISPs, it would be difficult to stop it. I guess they could try, but, the more Gov'ts try to stomp on things like this, the more pervasive they become because it elevates the taboo level and thus makes it even more desirable so more people want it and thus it pops up in more and more and more places than it would if they'd just left it alone to fap in the corner.

  13. I'll have what he's having by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Though for some odd reason, whenever some politician can't weasel out of some sleazy sex allegation and has to make some sort of public statement, begging for forgiveness, it's some conservative.

    Granted, mostly because no liberal gives a fuck what their politicians do in the bed as long as they do their work...

    I'm pretty Liberal, but what are you on? There have been plenty of asshat liberals who have done this.

  14. Anything that makes women cry and feel like shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is working properly

  15. Trump picks only the BEST people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a sick, depraved culture of entitlement Americans have. Gonna be a rough century for you guys..

  16. Re:obama-clinton legacy by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

    Kennedy and Clinton prett7y much weaselled their way out, although Clinton did get his tail feathers singed. Franken and Conyers, not so much. Things seem to be changing.

  17. Let's see by nospam007 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Any chance for the peepee-tape?

    1. Re:Let's see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We'll see the tape once Donnie isn't worth anything to Vlad. Maybe Nov 3, 2020 if he loses badly enough, but more likely Jan 20, 2021 because there are still a few things he can do for Vlad while he's a lame orange duck (e.g. pardons).

  18. Re:Ways of talking we don't like! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Oh boo-hoo, Trumpster.

    Why is it you idiots never have a clue about the First Amendment? Hint: Twitter, as a private company that is NOT the government, has the right to kick you off their service for any reason they choose, including your racism and other asshole opinions.

    And really? James O'Keefe, the noted fraudster who has already been caught deceptively editing videos and is considered just another rightwing fake news troll? THAT James O'Keefe???

  19. Re:obama-clinton legacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can we not pretend that this is even remotely partisan ?

    Nope. We are not going to play that game.
    Franken looks like a GOP hit job. Conservative talking head puts out social engineering oriented piece knowing it will draw camera seekers out of the wood work. The only really bad claims were all anonymous.
    John Conyers Jr seems (just googled) to have grabbed a woman's leg while driving 20 years ago.
    Clinton/Lewinski thing was over 20 years ago. (I still think Bill and Hilary are in an open relationship or are swingers but that is none of my business)
    Ted freaking Kennedy? Wow. the time machine is still working great for you.

    This compared to the GOP running child fucker Roy Moore most recently and there will be a new scandal coming up soon. Say, didn't they just run a guy who brags about sexual assault (pussy grabber) for POTUS?

    So your GOP appeal to fairness, to force a false equivalency is SOP. It is also crazy dishonest.

    So no, it is not remotely partisan. Using one side's outliers to validate the other side's core values is a Jedi mind trick that only works on the weak minded.

  20. stupid primates. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    We go out of our way to invent the most powerful technologies and what happens in return? Some subhuman rejects abuse it in some of the worst ways. This is why humanity can't have nice things.

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    1. Re:stupid primates. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "some subhumans"? Seems like a wide spread, fairly typical "problem" behavior. I'm not sure if "subhuman" is as valid as "typical human".

  21. is anyone really surprised by this? by e3m4n · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We are talking about a body of people who feel they are exempt from the very laws they pass. They commit insider trading and yet the SEC never prosecutes them. They pass a healthcare plan that is touted to be the greatest thing since sliced bread, yet exempted themselves from that too. Sexual harassment training is required of all government employees and military, and yet we recently learned that the house and senate did NOT have any such programs in place. Its as if they think their Congressional Immunity extends beyond the narrow definition of Legislative Acts as defined by the Supreme Court.

    1. Re:is anyone really surprised by this? by hey! · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Don't look at us liberals. We wanted to give everyone to have the same kind of health care plan that members of Congress get, but we had to settle for a Republican health care plan ginned up by the Heritage Foundation for Bob Dole's presidential campaign. You know, the one that not only preserves private insurance companies, but also guarantees them more customers and compensates them for absorbing high risk patients.

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    2. Re:is anyone really surprised by this? by jeff4747 · · Score: 2

      They pass a healthcare plan that is touted to be the greatest thing since sliced bread, yet exempted themselves from that too

      Actually, the opposite happened.

      Chuck Grassley of Iowa thought he had a brilliant plan to sabotage the Affordable Care Act: He would add an amendment that required members of Congress to get their health insurance from the ACA exchanges, instead of continuing on the government's employer-provided health insurance. Surely the Democrats would balk at his clever amendment, and then he would have his big press conference and gotcha moment!!

      The Democrats accepted his amendment and put it in the bill.

      This caused quite a bit of consternation. For the great plan had been foiled, and now Congresspeople and their staff had to pay for their own health insurance. So another amendment was added to the bill. This amendment has the government pay the premiums for the ACA plans Congresspeople sign up for, more-or-less resulting in the same financial situation as before Grassley's amendment.

      So no, congress is not exempted from the ACA. They are explicitly required to use the ACA.

    3. Re:is anyone really surprised by this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so a solid lock on the house the senate & a president with a big "D" in his title wasn't enough to get a health care plan through. If the republicans were that powerful when they were only 40% of the house / senate, then why aren't the democrats dictating the terms of every piece of legslation being pushed now???? Don't spout bullshite.

      Don't reply to this post, STFU. Stop feeding shite there is no D & R, there is only those elites in power & those who serve them. /Still waiting for all the idiots to stop wearing their team's jersey & realizing they are just food for the machine.

    4. Re:is anyone really surprised by this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a EU citizen I would say: Sexual harassment training is a ridiculous concept. Why would you train me to be better at something you don't want me to do? Any company conducting such training is encouraging it.

    5. Re:is anyone really surprised by this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be clear, they get the same subsidy as regular federal gov't employees towards plans purchased from the D.C. exchange. It's not free; the subsidy covers roughly 72% of premiums (less if the plan's premium is significantly more than the typical plan, up to 75% for cheaper plans). So they're still paying for at least 25% of the premium. This isn't all that different from the pre-ACA status quo, except their selection of plans is different (likely worse) than the selection of FEHB plans offered to other federal employees.

    6. Re:is anyone really surprised by this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks, Staying up to date is hard esp. for those who only watch fox.

    7. Re:is anyone really surprised by this? by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      We are talking about a body of people who feel they are exempt from the very laws they pass.

      We're talking about reporting that says stuff like ""Would love to see some more," someone connecting from the U.S. Senate IP address wrote last August." Really? The US Senate has one IP address? (Cf: definite vs. indefinite articles). That's a pretty big red flag as to the accuracy of the story.

    8. Re:is anyone really surprised by this? by mamono · · Score: 1

      I work for the government and nearly all outbound traffic from the over 12,000 employees in our agencies comes through one of two IPs, depending on which side of the country you are on. So yes, it is entirely feasible that there could be hundreds of people accessing these sites behind just a single IP.

  22. Re:obama-clinton legacy by e3m4n · · Score: 1

    don't forget Anthony Weiner and Elliot Spitzer

    seriously... with the names like Spitzer and Weiner, its like they were doomed to fail

  23. On the bright side by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    connecting from U.S. Senate [...] even as senators push for a bill that would further combat the practice

    You should be glad senators are seeking information about the practice. Most of the time senators have no clue what the bill is saying.

    1. Re:On the bright side by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good point.

  24. Tip of iceberg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    do you think there's no pedophilia going on? Think again... imagine how many forced suicides there would be when all that mess unravels.

  25. Surprised? by Hugh+Jorgen · · Score: 0

    If you're surprised you're fucking stupid. We can hope that Kim Jong really does take out Washington first.

  26. Re:Convenient justification for an internet crackd by hey! · · Score: 2

    For a crackdown on misuse of the Internet using government computers? Yes, I think it is excellent justification.

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  27. Re:Anything that makes women cry and feel like shi by hey! · · Score: 1

    Misery likes company, I guess.

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  28. Re:obama-clinton legacy by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

    For conservatives, it was not the sex that damaged them, but the hypocrisy. They put themselves out there as "family values" champions, yet were chasing nookie on the sly.

    The same thing happened to Al Franken. All of his accusers said they came forward because of his posturing and preaching about Roy Moore and others, while he had engaged in groping and other bad behavior himself.

    Simple heuristic: Practice what you preach.

  29. Re:Anything that makes women cry and feel like shi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a well-known quote from a Conan film.

  30. Re:Ways of talking we don't like! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aww, look at the little pissboys crying over their tweets, that's clearly much more important than Trump uploading revenge porn and women being blatantly objectified in DC.

    You know what? Even if all your crying over "muh twitter is being unfair waaaaaah" had any merit to it (and it doesn't), I don't even fucking care anymore, every last one of you trumpkins is a piece of shit as far as I'm concerned and you deserve everything you get.

  31. Re:Ways of talking we don't like! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You really believe that, or is this just trolling?

  32. Re:obama-clinton legacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's kind of sad to see people getting a pass for having no standards at all, though.

  33. Re:obama-clinton legacy by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

    It's kind of sad to see people getting a pass for having no standards at all, though.

    Bill Clinton and Donald Trump were both given a pass because they were well known philanderers before they were elected. It is silly to elect them and then complain that they are what they appeared to be.

  34. Re:obama-clinton legacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Funny, though, how libs will bend over backward to defend their rapist even attacking his victims.

  35. Re:obama-clinton legacy by gnick · · Score: 1

    Only the conservative ones are forced to actually address the event.

    I can think of a certain POTUS that stands as a counterexample.

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  36. Re:Ways of talking we don't like! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    O'Keefe is more credible than Trump. I wouldn't put that scammer's integrity any where near a trusted news organization like CNN though. That's a complete joke.

  37. Re:obama-clinton legacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Funny, though, how libs will bend over backward to defend their rapist even attacking his victims.

    Yeah ... the conservatives would never do that ...

  38. Re:obama-clinton legacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The same thing happened to Al Franken. All of his accusers said they came forward because of his posturing and preaching about Roy Moore and others, while he had engaged in groping and other bad behavior himself.

    So, if Al Franken had defended Roy Moore, he would still be a senator? I'm pretty sure that's not the message the #metoo movement is trying to send. :)

  39. Re:obama-clinton legacy by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    I still don't know about Franken. I wanted to see an investigation, but most of the Democratic Senators wanted him to resign.

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  40. Re:obama-clinton legacy by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    Or the message that, if you want to keep a political career, apologize for nothing, deny everything, and smear your accusers.

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  41. Re:obama-clinton legacy by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

    "Using one side's outliers to validate the other side's core values is a Jedi mind trick that only works on the weak minded."

    Which is why I'm ignoring your argument completely. Now stop waving your hand.

  42. Re:obama-clinton legacy by sjames · · Score: 1

    Wrong again. Even with a short memory, you should remember that Al Frankin got drummed out.

  43. Re:obama-clinton legacy by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    Only the conservative ones are forced to actually address the event.

    I can think of a certain POTUS that stands as a counterexample.

    And who has now been immortalized for geologic eons:
    https://www.pinterest.ca/pin/2...

  44. Re:obama-clinton legacy by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

    So, if Al Franken had defended Roy Moore, he would still be a senator?

    He should not have defended him, but he shouldn't have been so vocal in attacking him either.

    The problem with Franken is that, like many offenders, he could recognize bad behavior in others, but honestly didn't see it in himself.

  45. Re:obama-clinton legacy by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

    I still don't know about Franken. I wanted to see an investigation

    What is there to "investigate"?

    He was accused of "forced kissing" and crude sexist gestures, with photographic evidence for the later. Franken said it wasn't as bad as it appeared, but apologized. Then more accusations of groping were made by several women who didn't know each other and had no apparent political motive. Then Franken resigned.

    That's it. What could an "investigation" possibly add? In politics, calling for an investigation is just a way to delay, obfusticate, and change the subject.

  46. How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For curiosities sake, anyone know how he got the IP Addresses?

  47. Re: obama-clinton legacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    *begins investigating*
    *looks at photo of Franken grabbing a sleeping woman's tits*
    *investigation over *

    Wasn't that fucking difficult, dipshit.

  48. Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At first, I though maybe you meant Bill Clinton, since some far-left nuts have occasionally and ludicrously stated that he acted like a Republican...

    but then I realized you probably meant to imply Trump... but that couldn't be it either, because a decade ago when he is alleged to have done this stuff he was a Democrat.

    I guess I'm stumped by your statement. I'm old enough to remember when Democrats said Reagan was too liberal to be elected because he'd divorced his first wife.

    1. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "He was a Democrat when he did it" is the stupidest fucking thing I've heard in a week.

  49. And THAT is a problem! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NOBODY working for government should be getting subsidized when average Americans are not. The answer to that dilemma also cannot be to subsidized everybody; that's an econimic absurdity. We cannot be a society where everybody is getting a subsidy because the money must come from somewhere.

    I am currently self-employed and, due to an admittedly odd set of circumstances, I get NO subsidy and must may the full price of my individual market Obamacare policy which is far more expensive than before Obama crapped on me. My policy has vastly higher deductibles which grow worse every damned year than I had before the scumbag Obama lied to everybody. My "wonderful" Obamacare policy provides access to far fewer doctors than before Obama trashed healthcare and the costs rise by more than 10% every year. I have had to change docs 4 times in the past two years alone thanks to Obamacare whose creator, Obama, boldly repeatedly lied "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor".

    Why does one of my employees in the government who helped foist this polished turd of Obamacare onto me get ANY subsidy for his or her policy while I get none?

    Leftists drive me nuts with their lies about "universal" and "we'll all be treated equally" etc. It NEVER happens. There is no example in history, anywhere on the planet, of a socialist system that actually treats the elites and political leaders the same as the little people. The soviet leaders were not treated the same as soviet workers. The fatso Kim family in NorK is carpulent while the peolpe there starve. The people of the UK get their supposedly equal national healthcare, but their rich and famous and political leaders get private care and even fly to other countries to escape it. As anybody in Cuba if they get the same care as Fidel got. Ask the people of Venezuela if the average citizen in that socialist utopia gets the same healthcare as the elites there.

    It's not just on healthcare either. Leftists like poor immigrants, but not in the rich neigborhoods where their leaders live. Leftists love gun control, but not for themselves of their security guards. Leftists like controls on sugary drinks, but not the drinks they prefer. They like bad government schools, but like to send their kids to private schools, like Sidwell Friends. They like busses and bicycles, but fly on private jets. They like high taxes "to level the playing field and help the less fortunate" but shelter their money in off-shore accounts.

    NO leftist-run "everybody treated equally" system EVER treats everybody equally.

    I believe in science, and I demand scientific evidence of an example that proves me wrong.

  50. Re:obama-clinton legacy by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    It's groping not a criminal act in that jurisdiction?

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  51. Re:obama-clinton legacy by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

    If you were accused of assassination of the President with the only witness having to be immunized twice for lying on sworn deposition, changing the MONTH AND YEAR of the claimed event, declaring injuries observed by no one...you'd walk away a free man
    And that's what happened with Broaddrick.
    Now you know why repiglicant's didn't use her during impeachment.
    Fear of exposure for the frauds they are

  52. Re:obama-clinton legacy by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

    It's groping not a criminal act in that jurisdiction?

    The alleged events occurred over a decade ago. The statute of limitations expired long ago.

  53. Re:obama-clinton legacy by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    Thanks, that answers my question. Many places don't have such a limitation, e.g. in the UK there are now investigations into abuse that happened decades ago.

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    const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
    SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
  54. Re: obama-clinton legacy by david_thornley · · Score: 2

    Either you are misinterpreting the photo, or you're looking at an altered version. In the photo I saw, it's clear on close examination that there was no physical contact.

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  55. Re:obama-clinton legacy by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    Yeah, people like you who have sexual intercourse with non-mammals should be banned, assuming that accused == guilty.

    There was a photograph of Franken making a crude sexual gesture, yes. It was clearly a setup shot, with no actual contact. Franken was trying for edgy humor at that time, and when you do that you'll go over the line into bad taste (which this was) now and then. There were accusations. I don't trust "no apparent political motive" when we're dealing with a prominent Senator, and the idea of accusations would be pretty clear if some woman wanted to smear Franken for some reason.

    So, the idea of investigating would be to find out which accusations were true, and how bad the conduct was. One of the women involved accepted Franken's apology and said that she was satisfied. The opposite idea is the lynch mob.

    The #metoo movement has done some very good things. It is currently allowing people to be essentially convicted without evidence.

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    "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes