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US Tests Nuclear Power System To Sustain Astronauts On Mars (reuters.com)
Initial tests in Nevada on a compact nuclear power system designed to sustain a long-duration NASA human mission on the inhospitable surface on Mars have been successful and a full-power run is scheduled for March, officials said on Thursday. Reuters reports: National Aeronautics and Space Administration and U.S. Department of Energy officials, at a Las Vegas news conference, detailed the development of the nuclear fission system under NASA's Kilopower project. Months-long testing began in November at the energy department's Nevada National Security Site, with an eye toward providing energy for future astronaut and robotic missions in space and on the surface of Mars, the moon or other solar system destinations. A key hurdle for any long-term colony on the surface of a planet or moon, as opposed to NASA's six short lunar surface visits from 1969 to 1972, is possessing a power source strong enough to sustain a base but small and light enough to allow for transport through space. NASA's prototype power system uses a uranium-235 reactor core roughly the size of a paper towel roll. The technology could power habitats and life-support systems, enable astronauts to mine resources, recharge rovers and run processing equipment to transform resources such as ice on the planet into oxygen, water and fuel. It could also potentially augment electrically powered spacecraft propulsion systems on missions to the outer planets.
I don't understand why they can't use hydro, wind or solar. Does NASA have to subsidize Big Oil and the nuclear industry? Damn you Trump, Damn you! ;)
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We have a hard time launching RTGs designed to survive a vehicle failure during launch without people losing their minds because scary nuclear bad bad bad. Will anyone actually ever let something like this fly?
That already assumes missions to the moon and mars ever get more than couch change for funding, which is a pipe dream.
I think it's cool tech and a fine solution to the problem of power for long term power needs far from earth. I just think politicians will find hundreds of excuses for why we can't.
We've destroyed our own planet with nuclear waste and exploding reactors. KEEP THEM OUT OF SPACE.
Too late. Both Voyager probes used nuclear power. And I'm sure other does as well.
Are you drunk or just stupid?
There are more information about the Kilopower project at NASA: https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/spacetech/kilopower
I'd be curious to see how they plan on cooling the thing. Yes there's lots of ice at the poles, but is there enough water anywhere else to be useable to cool the thing?
After billions of dollars and decades of research, Matt Damon will finally be able to charge his iPod.
And similar problems emerge for the Moon.
Yes, it is roughly the same distance from the sun as Earth is (given that the moon orbits around the later, duh...).
And yes, no significant atmosphere means even more light available to a moon base than to earth surface solar pannels...
But being tidally locked to earth and with a approx 28-day orbit around it means that the Moon base's solar panels are guaranteed to be in the dark for 2 whole weeks (unless you go even more crazy with orbital mirror reflecting light toward the solar panels, etc.)
Batteries could be a solution, adding a nuclear power source to supplement the solar specially during moon night is another.
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Turns out Mars has significant amounts of Thorium, particularly near a latitude recently found to have significant amounts of ice. The ice could be melted by and cool a thorium reactor, and electrolyzed to produce rocket fuel. There's plenty of open space on Mars to put a thorium reactor without any NIMBYs nearby worrying about strong gamma emitters or long-lived nuclear waste contaminating the environment. We could drop a few centrifuges on the planet and run them on solar for years, slowly accumulating usable fissile material before the first astronauts touch down. Of course some infrastructure to load them up would be required... but there's almost certainly going to be a need, for one reason or another, for some type of heavy backhoe drone moving soil around anyway (digging out a pit for a sub-surface habitat, getting to ice deposits, flattening landing zones, etc.)
Of course, by the time NASA gets their ass to Mars, we'll already have fusion reactors.
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This reactor is amazing - it's completely passive. It's self-regulated by thermal expansion of its fuel. There are no moving parts (apart from a heat engine), the reactor is started by removing one control rod and then it just runs on until fuel is exhausted.https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/18/01/18/2148243/us-tests-nuclear-power-system-to-sustain-astronauts-on-mars#
Uranium needs water for working electricity.
There is not water on Mars.
There is not water on Moon.
Not a single comment about potatoes being as important as power? You disappoint me, slashdot.
The first few will be expensive, so we probably want to wait for the second wave when they go into mass production
With the Powers That Be pulling funding from any research that is not directly related to jailing people, I just worry that we can get a working thorium reactor here on earth, much less funding for fusion development. Heck, the only reason why solar even took off in the US is because Congress didn't bother to deal with foreign powers hacking US companies and selling panels for cheaper than the materials it takes to make, all to spite the opposite side. Had this not happened, solar would be relegated to a weather station in a farm's back 40, and not gaining ground as it is now.
I worry that we may wind up with NASA sold to some private firm for pennies on the dollar, and while the US wrestles with what else to jettison, any and all books on experiences on Mars will be in formal Mandarin.
Lets just hope that this doesn't happen.
That's what is in a nuclear bomb.
It keeps Mark Wahlberg warm while he's trying to reach his rescue craft!
If you can't sustain ur self with just candle power at night as we can here
on Earth. Stay the fk off the planet or moon.
Oh we r fkng our planet.?...oh shit!!
The NASA of old was an engineering organization; they would have known to take two of these power units for redundancy. Today's NASA is a pure bureaucracy, and as such, somebody should tell them to take two of these units to Mars.
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That would be true of the radiothermal devices often used in many satellites and rovers, which use the heat from the decay of fairly radioactive elements to generate electricity. But this is a fission reactor, not a radiothermal generator.
The thing with fission fuel is, generally speaking, it's not particularly radioactive. You could eat it, and the heavy metal poisoning would kill you before the radiation did. U-235 for example has a half-life of 703.8 million years (longer=less radioactive) - common carbon and potassium isotopes are far more radioactive. It's the stuff with half-lives in the days to decades range that's really dangerous. Which does include a lot of the fission byproducts (aka high-level nuclear waste), but a fresh reactor, or replacement fuel rods, won't contain much if any of those.
The only real radiation risk with nuclear fuel in a launching accident is that it *doesn't* blow up, but instead lands in one piece someplace out of the way where it doesn't get discovered, with the fuel all mashed together into a critical mass that goes on fissioning unsupervised, bleeding nuclear waste into the environment for decades. But that's *extremely* unlikely.
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"light enough to boost to mars" Along with the 30 KT of lead needed, plus the cooling system, and the turbine?
I think not.
The contact face has to be kept flat to nanometers, while under 300G AND impact with the initiator UNMOVING at the impact point.
Easy?
I call Bullcrap
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If humans are going to stay on Mars any length of time, they'll have to develop Martian power systems, not depend on hot boxes from Earth. Doesn't matter if it's solar, wind, chemical, or nuclear, Mars will need to generate its own power. Power and water. After that, you're on your own.
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A compact, low cost, fission reactor for exploration and science, scalable from 1 kW to 10 kW electric
Novel integration of available U-235 fuel form, passive sodium heat pipes, and flight-ready Stirling convertors
Would provide about 10x more power than the Multi-Mission Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator
some perspective :
Power systems used on previous robotic missions (e.g. Spirit/Opportunity, Phoenix, Curiosity) do not provide sufficient power: all less than 200 W
source (with pictures!) : https://www.nasa.gov/sites/def...
The Russians? Space X?
What I'd like to do with this technology is to live in the mountains completely off of the grid. I'd have to find a solution for internet access but this would answer all of my power needs. Plus I assume it to be cheaper than the grid