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Trump Signs Surveillance Extension Into Law (thehill.com)

President Trump took to Twitter this afternoon to announce that he has signed a six-year renewal of a powerful government surveillance tool. "Just signed 702 Bill to authorize foreign intelligence collection," Trump tweeted. "This is NOT the same FISA law that was so wrongly abused during the election. I will always do the right thing for our country and put the safety of the American people first!" The Hill reports: Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), which the Senate voted to renew with a few small tweaks this week, allows the U.S. to spy on foreigners overseas. The intelligence community says the program is a critical tool in identifying and disrupting terror plots. But the broader surveillance law, which governs U.S. spying on foreigners, has become politically entangled with the controversy over the federal investigation into Trump's campaign and Russia. Some Republicans have claimed that the FBI inappropriately obtained a politically motivated FISA warrant to spy on Trump during the transition and on Friday, Capitol Hill was consumed with speculation about a four-page memo produced by House Intelligence Committee Republicans that some GOP lawmakers hinted contained evidence of such wrongdoing.

94 comments

  1. Excellent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We must maintain vigilance at all times as any qualified infosec professional knows. We also must harden the perimeter (the wall) and ensure that threats havenâ(TM)t reached into our environment.

  2. Trump, as dumb as his supporters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    How's that swamp draining going dotards?

    1. Re:Trump, as dumb as his supporters by MightyYar · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      About as well as Pelosi voting to grant the supposedly evil Trump additional powers. But no, the parties are very different.

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    2. Re:Trump, as dumb as his supporters by MightyMartian · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      I love how the Republicans are trying to have it both ways. "OMG, there's FISA abuse and thus Trump is totally innocent of any collusion with the Russians... Oh yeah, and we just extended the whole Bush-era surveillance apparatus!"

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    3. Re:Trump, as dumb as his supporters by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 0

      Actually, they didn't. Section 702 only deals with overseas intelligence gathering - not domestic. But go ahead and push your hyper-partisanship and claim it's the same thing that Presidents Bush and Obama both willingly signed (in 2008 and 2012, respectively).

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    4. Re:Trump, as dumb as his supporters by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      and thus Trump is totally innocent of any collusion with the Russians

      You're being sarcastic, but the fact that many of the Dems that have been screaming the loudest that Trump is a Putin Puppet just voted to give him god-like surveillance powers. Which means they either want Putin to be able to spy on Americans, or they've been completely and utterly full of shit on Russiagate from the beginning.

      Pick one.

    5. Re: Trump, as dumb as his supporters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Has Hillary stopped raping her neighbor's goats yet?

    6. Re: Trump, as dumb as his supporters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More importantly, komrade, have you stopped beating your wife?

    7. Re:Trump, as dumb as his supporters by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Maybe the real problem here is that when it comes to national security, it isn't really Republicans versus Democrats, but rather Hawks versus Doves. When it comes to the three letter agencies, the Hawks aren't really interested in liberal versus conservative, but rather, interested in making those agencies as powerful and emboldened as possible.

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    8. Re:Trump, as dumb as his supporters by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Maybe the real problem here is that when it comes to national security, it isn't really Republicans versus Democrats, but rather Hawks versus Doves.

      Not much of a contest. Even Bernie Sanders said he would have continued the drone murder program, and has voted to support Israel when they commence their biannual slaughter of a few thousand Palestinians.

  3. Protip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't want to get unmasked by a FISA Warrant...Don't talk to spies and international mobsters....

    1. Re: Protip by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      Procaveat: *everyone* is 5 hops from a spy or mobster.

  4. Ya right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I will always do the right thing for our country and put the safety of the American people first" Unless its an Obama era legislation or something he does not agree with.

    1. Re:Ya right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ya got it Obama was the greatest when he extended spying on Americans and destroyed race relations and all the other noble acts like uranium 1.
        Why does the left hate the west and want it's destruction you applaud Muslims for murdering civilians and act like they are the most suited people for immigration and you demand massive expansion of immigration while you have a massive population of welfare recipients?
      California has 34% of America's welfare recipients while chasing away businesses large and small and this is working as the left intended?
      Not 1 left media has reported that Black unemployment is at the lowest ever i guess it's because they are to busy reporting on the millions of Nazis and KKK magically appeared the second Trump ran for office you people are so noble.
      I am not american and i cannot believe how low you people stoop you want to lose the first president who seems to try to make thinks better (he did not do it all in 1 day while walking on water so he failed) and you people HATE him for it.
      He trolled the media for 2 years while running for office and now you take every word he says seriously and you look for shit he said in the past way in the past to burn him wow, a land of self righteous Jesus freaks who never read the bible.
      never mind i am clearly just another Nazi KKK and what ever you noble people call everyone you disagree with.

  5. TRUMP signs ANYTHING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Boobs, too. OK, not pussies. He grabs those. And who can blame him? Oh, right, the wifey. Who, by the way, is showing some age. Time to trade her in.

  6. Yeah... by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just signed 702 Bill to authorize foreign intelligence collection," Trump tweeted. "This is NOT the same FISA law that was so wrongly abused during the election.

    Are people really dumb enough to believe this? It’s just as bad as it ever was and still allows warrantless surveillance with pretty much non-existent oversight.

    1. Re:Yeah... by SirSlud · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Well, they were dumb enough to vote Trump into office, so ...

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    2. Re:Yeah... by nwaack · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, because the other options were sooooo amazing. This is what happens when the presidential candidates are so bad that people really are voting for a giant douche or a turd sandwich. The "Trump voters are stupid" thing is played out, tired and unoriginal.

    3. Re:Yeah... by alvinrod · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Probably not, but I think a lot of people are just numb to it by now, and to be honest there's no chance that Clinton wouldn't have extended this either so we were getting this shit sandwich regardless of who was elected.

    4. Re:Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, they were dumb enough to vote Trump into office, so ...

      You're quite naive if you think that Hillary as president would have resulted in a better outcome on this particular matter.

    5. Re:Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure they could have voted for Clinton. Who also helped authorize the original law, voted to go to war in Iraq, helped get the US embroiled in Libya, lied to Congress while SoS, violated her oath of office and several laws regarding top secret information.

      Yeah so let's see, a raging narcissist like Trump or a warmonger like Clinton. Anyone who voted for either of these two candidates is stupid.

      But please keep forgetting all the bad shit Democrats do on a daily basis.

    6. Re:Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't blame me; I voted for Jill.

    7. Re:Yeah... by CanHasDIY · · Score: 0

      Just signed 702 Bill to authorize foreign intelligence collection," Trump tweeted. "This is NOT the same FISA law that was so wrongly abused during the election.

      Are people really dumb enough to believe this?

      Well, considering that those same people are dumb enough to not only believe that R and D are their only choices when it comes to politics, but that they are the best possible choices at all times... I'd give it a resoundingly emphatic Jawohl

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    8. Re:Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but they are...

    9. Re:Yeah... by slew · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just signed 702 Bill to authorize foreign intelligence collection," Trump tweeted. "This is NOT the same FISA law that was so wrongly abused during the election.

      Are people really dumb enough to believe this? It’s just as bad as it ever was and still allows warrantless surveillance with pretty much non-existent oversight.

      Of course it isn't the same. It may be not quite as bad, though according to this summary... But if you are against warrant-less intelligence collection in general, well, it's nothing new in that area, so from that point of view, it is basically the same.

    10. Re:Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not stupid, just evil. But evil can look like stupid to good people.

    11. Re:Yeah... by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      AC the need for collect it all domestically goes back to Project SHAMROCK, Project MINARET.
      Project SHAMROCK https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      Project MINARET https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      The only time the security services got questioned over their nation wide illegal domestic collection was doing the 1970's Church Committee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      The result was the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/....

      Want to collect it all domestically?
      Show a domestic 4, 5, 6, 7 hops to anything "Foreign" and keep on collecting everything domestically every decade. Collect it all never stopped, it just needed a rubber stamp from a court that has to be presented with anything "Foreign" and then the court won't consider saying no.
      Big brands too. PRISM (surveillance program) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      Color of law makes it all domestically legal for the collectors.
      As many hops as needed to any "Foreign" communication and the Fourth Amendment not longer protects US citizens.
      Still having domestic legal problems for collect it all? Just go full Project MINARET again https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... and ask another 5 eye nation for some domestic support in the USA.

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    12. Re:Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF does Hillary have to do with this? Let's say you're buying a car, and there's a lot with four cars in it. You see a 1973 Ford Pinto with a bunch of sticks of dynamite strapped to the gas tank, a 1973 Pinto with hand grenades hanging from the gas tank, a 1971 Dodge Challenger fully restored to look just like the one in "Vanishing Point" and a 2012 Honda Civic. Ok, nothing's perfect, but there are some good choices and bad choices here.

      You chose one of the Pintos. For some reason, right after that, everyone starts calling you a drooling fuckwit with suicidal tendencies. Weird. It's so mysterious, and also, it hurts your feelings. Why are they doing that?!

      But a plan forms in your mind, and you address critics with "You're quite naive if you think the other Pinto would have been safer."

      Strangely, this makes you look dumber, not smarter. Why is that?

    13. Re:Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't blame me. I voted for Gary Johnson. So did some 4 million others. But too few. Way too few.

    14. Re: Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Odd. I didn't notice the challenger or civic on the lot. I would have gladly taken one of those, but all i saw was a tricycle, a Barbi power wheels with a dead battery, and a matchbox car. Dynamite-free pinto for me, I guess. Too bad I ended up with the dynamite anyway.

    15. Re:Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And who voted for those two candidates in their respective primaries ? Aliens ?

      For fuck's sake. grow up and take responsability for your actions. Stop blaiming "the establishment" or "the man" or whatever other bullshit. YOU're responsible for having shitty presidential candidates election after election. YOU. The People Of The United States Of America.

      And nobody else.

    16. Re:Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are people really dumb enough to believe this?

      There is a 'tsunami of stupid' roaring through our society. It may take awhile to subside. You may have to just roll with it.

    17. Re:Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And who voted for those two candidates in their respective primaries ? Aliens ?

      For fuck's sake. grow up and take responsability for your actions. Stop blaiming "the establishment" or "the man" or whatever other bullshit. YOU're responsible for having shitty presidential candidates election after election. YOU. The People Of The United States Of America.

      And nobody else.

      Ok then, please help to clear this up and settle the matter once and for all. What legal, practical, reasonable, and achievable action could an individual voter have taken in order to cause a highly desirable additional candidate to emerge? What further actions (with the same criteria) could have been taken to give said candidate a good chance of winning?

      I keep hearing this sort of thing, you are not remotely the first. Yet none of you seem to have an actual plan. What do you propose? Start a grassroots campaign independent of the major corporate media and lobbyist cesspool? Somehow prevent it from becoming co-opted once it gets above the radar? Nothing like this at all? Something else?

      If you can assign blame then you have assessed fault, and identifying fault implies some solid notion of what *should* have been done. So I'd expect you to have a big advantage or "head start" already. So please enlighten us.

    18. Re: Yeah... by retchdog · · Score: 1

      this comes down to whether you believed the car dealer with a suicide vest and blasting caps when he swore that he didn't have any dynamite, and none of his cars had any dynamite on them, and in fact he had never seen dynamite and, oh, also doesn't even know what the word "dynamite" means!

      if you actually believed him, you're an irredeemable fucktard. otoh, if you didn't believe him but just wanted to see what would happen, that's a relatively respectable position.

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    19. Re:Yeah... by drago177 · · Score: 2

      What legal, practical, reasonable, and achievable action could an individual voter have taken in order to cause a highly desirable additional candidate to emerge?

      I think I agree with you - there is no answer here, we're stuck with 2 parties for now. What should we do? I always say the same thing - vote for the better of the 2. Slowly but surely, you'll push both parties in the right direction. Sorry, but there is no magic wand. Politics has always been messy, will always be messy. People keep acting like we've never seen such craziness before, but politicians used to fight with duels - guns instead of words. And the words were just as harsh back then too.

      I always vote for the best position in the primary, then the best position in the general (usually these are different answers). Try to research individual local candidates. Just do the best research you can. But smart people should not give up. Too many are voting for the guy they'd like to have a beer with or entertains their fantasies with soundbites. Don't leave the decision up to them.

    20. Re:Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, because the other options were sooooo amazing. This is what happens when the presidential candidates are so bad that people really are voting for a giant douche or a turd sandwich. The "Trump voters are stupid" thing is played out, tired and unoriginal.

      So is the South Park episode. That's the thing, most people don't care one way or another. They just want to be on the "winning" team, or to make sure that "the other guy" doesn't get in. They are all losers, and idiots. Note: That's not a insult, that's a fact. If they gave a shit, they would have done something about it by now. The South Park episode came out in 2004. As of this post it's 2018. A full 14 years later. That's more than enough time to make an issue out of something and get action on it, but people don't want to be bothered with it.

      So, no the "Trump voters are stupid." thing is accurate, as is this statement: "Hillary voters are stupid." or "Most voters are stupid." and if any of you are triggered by those statements, then remember: You can do something about it this year.

    21. Re:Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      helped authorize the original law, voted to go to war in Iraq,

      As the senator representing New York, does anyone understand what that would have meant for her to go against "defending the nation from the perpetrators of 9/11?" I understand that these votes were wrong, yet the circumstances were directly caused by the framing from the republicans, and nobody can deny they did it well. Keeping in mind that the republicans ALSO made these votes, AS WELL as created the bills to begin with, AND executed them, the comparison is easy - yes, a vote for Clinton would have been better.

      helped get the US embroiled in Libya,

      Comparing her to republicans, the Iraq war they started caused the death of 1+ million people, and with their management, never had a chance of success. Libya was nothing compared to it, and actually had a chance of turning out well, and the US didn't even directly start it. Trump is warmongering just as much as previous R's, daring N. Korea to launch nuclear missiles. In fact, in the current political climate, I could almost guarantee any Democrat wouldn't start another war.

      So, would Hillary have been better than almost any republican? Yes. Especially the guy that isn't pulling back from any surveillance law, increasing crackdowns on stupid government laws like marijuana, pulling back from the fight for human rights around the world and locally as well, and eroding responsible government in every department.

    22. Re:Yeah... by cyn1c77 · · Score: 1

      Just signed 702 Bill to authorize foreign intelligence collection," Trump tweeted. "This is NOT the same FISA law that was so wrongly abused during the election.

      Are people really dumb enough to believe this? It’s just as bad as it ever was and still allows warrantless surveillance with pretty much non-existent oversight.

      But it's NOT the same! It's worse.

    23. Re:Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. Trump supporters are not dumb enough to believe it. They just think you are dumb enough to believe their excuses.

      At some point everyone should realize his supporters are like a cult. They don't care about messed up things he does, his failures or the hypocrisy. They only care that he is catering to their racism and fears of losing their "white" nation. The comparison to Hitler isn't because people think the guy isnt the same. The comparison is because the events and public strategies are exactly the same.

    24. Re:Yeah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's still true tho

      What is tired, played out, and unoriginal is "a giant douche or a turd sandwich"

    25. Re:Yeah... by george14215 · · Score: 1

      fact: Trump is a pathological liar

    26. Re:Yeah... by drago177 · · Score: 1

      I forgot to mention regularly support and donate to bipartisan causes trying to reduce money in politics (example). If I found a cause that tried to get rid of Gerrymandering, I'd support that too. I haven't found a sexy quick fix for these two problems, but if it were easy it would have been done already.

  7. Re:TRUMP 2021!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the Trump supporters all come out to reelect Trump in 2021, I will be one very happy person.

  8. Re:TRUMP 2021!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    PROOF of LIBERAL BIAST on SLASHDOT

  9. Re:TRUMP 2021!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So you and your sister will be making another baby that night behind the trailer?

  10. Making the American Constitution Great Again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's draining the swamp for you. Obama and Shrub did the same, so it's surprising really, considering Twitler is best known for undoing anything and everything Obama did.

  11. Surveillance Extension? by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    UNINSTALL!

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  12. Re:TRUMP 2021!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is the bed behind the trailer, instead of inside the trailer?

    captcha: incest

  13. Re:TRUMP 2021!!! by darthsilun · · Score: 1

    ayup. They can vote for him in 2019 and 2021. I support that.

  14. Simultaneous to claiming its use to abuse him... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    he signs for its renewal. Abuse of power is in the hands of the beholder.

  15. Re:Simultaneous to claiming its use to abuse him.. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    Duh, and it will be used against all non-incumbent/appointed successor presidential candidates from now until it is revoked.

    The only other option is a bunch of feds and Hillary campaign workers (same people) go to prison, even then...

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  16. Oh FFS STFU, Trump! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wins the election (as stupid as that was), yet goes ON AND ON AND ON AD NAUSEUM about the goddamned motherfucking thing, Clinton, and whatever else! Hey Trump, why don't you just SHUT YOUR FUCKING HOLE and TRY to learn how to run a country without being the total fucking JACKASS that you usually are? Can you fucking take this shit SERIOUSLY for ONE FUCKING DAY? Or are you really so fucking IMMATURE and UNDISCIPLINED that you can't even manage THAT!? Just blow up the whole fucking White House, once he leaves it, it won't be fit for human habitation anymore, he'll have SHIT all over it so goddamned much, we'll just have to build a new one anyway. Assuming there's a country LEFT when he's done fucking it over.

    1. Re: Oh FFS STFU, Trump! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hear hear!

    2. Re:Oh FFS STFU, Trump! by sexconker · · Score: 1

      QQ

    3. Re: Oh FFS STFU, Trump! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trumpâ(TM)s whole existence is to troll progressive authoritarians and piss them off; specifically people like you.

      Me? Iâ(TM)m just bummed out that thereâ(TM)s not enough time in my life to enjoy this bottomless bowl of sweet buttery popcorn, only to wash them down with the melted water of snowflakes =)

    4. Re: Oh FFS STFU, Trump! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Assuming I'm a 'progressive authoritarian'
      LOL that's a laugh, I'm a member of the "leave me the fuck alone to live my life in peace" party, fucktard. Part of that is some orange-haired pussy-grabbing racist dickhead not ruining the whole goddamned country and making us look like idiots to the rest of the world, but apparently that's too fucking much to ask anymore. Also kill yourself this is in part your fault.

    5. Re: Oh FFS STFU, Trump! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tl;dr: rreeeee! rrreee! reeeeeeeee!

    6. Re: Oh FFS STFU, Trump! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cool off a little before posting next time. Try screaming in to a pillow and counting to ten.

    7. Re:Oh FFS STFU, Trump! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fucking-A. Preach it, brother!

    8. Re: Oh FFS STFU, Trump! by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      Does the NGO really pay you for this kind of shoddy lazy trolling work? Put some effort into it, son!

  17. Re:TRUMP 2021!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shitter backed up and flooded their bedroom

  18. Why Does Anyone Listen to This Guy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ""This is NOT the same FISA law that was so wrongly abused during the election."

    Yes. It is literally the same FISA law. Perhaps it was amended to remove the worst parts? No, it is exactly the same, warts and all.

    Big Giant Orange Head needs 2000 Flushes to try and clear the room of his 2000 Lies. Oh, and spray too, that's just nasty!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQruDaf7bKs

  19. I think about our water by k6mfw · · Score: 1

    sources going Flint because our leaders more concerned about terrorism.

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  20. Unacceptable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whole world must stay at mercy of USA Dictatorhip in intrests of USA. And China is allways the boogeyman

  21. fuck this stupid shit by Hugh+Jorgen · · Score: 0

    These stupid fucks have so much data it's useless, like most of the personnel of three-letter government agencies.

  22. Re:Simultaneous to claiming its use to abuse him.. by sexconker · · Score: 0

    No evidence no charges, just bullshit conspiracy theories. Fucking hopeless Wumpus, you moron.

    Plenty of evidence, with the FBI director publicly stating she got no charges because of who she is.

  23. Re:Yeah... (Uninformed Post) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://intelligence.house.gov/fisa-702/

    "Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act authorizes the Intelligence Community to target the communications of non-U.S. persons located outside the United States for foreign intelligence purposes"

    This activity doesn't and shouldn't require a warrant.

  24. Re:Yeah... (Uninformed Post) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    According to the actual text of the bill:

    "the current and future ability of the
    14 United States to obtain, on a compulsory or
    15 voluntary basis, assistance from telecommuni-
    16 cations providers or other entities; and"

    Warrants ARE required to be approved by the FISC to engage in this activity

  25. Plenty of crazy to go around here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Neither party wants to give up power, news at 11. Technically I suppose they could believe it would be better under them. That is, that they would curb abuses, but I don't actually believe that. The Republicans can abuse it right now. The Democrats hope to abuse it in 3 years.

    Neither party's rationale makes any sense here, honestly. We end up with what, exactly?

    Democrats: Trump is Putin's puppet, that's why we're letting him keep these powerful spying powers.
    Republicans: Obama abused this law for 8 years, we can do better!

    Of course there's the alternative conspiracy theory that both sides are controlled by our intelligence agencies and anyone who goes against them will have ops run against them, like suddenly all their past secrets are exposed, or people come up with wild claims from many years ago for random things and create a PR blitz about it.

    1. Re:Plenty of crazy to go around here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop listening to the parties and the propaganda then.
      (Yep, I'm going to assume your post is in good faith and that you actually stayed at home instead of voting and that you aren't using "both sides are the same" as a justification to vote for a party that you don't want to defend.)

      Go back and look at how the parties have voted on the actual bills and what the bills actually contains.
      That is going to show you what actually is going on.
      One side is constantly lying to their voters while voting against their best interest.
      The other side isn't actually corrupt.
      If you only look at what is said and not what their actions are then you will never be able to determine anything.

      There is one single aspect of this that is reminiscent of the Korea situation.
      Both sides say that the other side is controlled by a corrupt despotism that is holding their population as hostage.
      No one who has done more research than just listening to what both sides say would pretend that they are the same.

  26. Re:Simultaneous to claiming its use to abuse him.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    She got no charges because somewhere north of a quarter million people with secret clearances would need to be charged along with her to be fair. She didn't do anything that many, many haven't done. As opposed to getting away with it because of who she is, the truth is that a big deal was made of it only because of who she is.

  27. Best fire up those VPNs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Point them out to a country like hong kong or switzerland that better respects people's privacy

  28. that man is so full of shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    its amazing that hes not burst at the seams yet

  29. 'Cause "safety" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... put the safety of the American people first!

    Since it's all those nasty foreigners making Americans unsafe, the answer is easy: Keep Americans away from the rest of the world.

    This uses your definition of safety. One could talk about a country suffering mass murders every week, increasing poverty and homelessness, shrinking healthcare, government agencies giving bad dietary advice/rules, giving the richest people permission to poison the air/soil/waterways; as much less safe than other first-world countries. You as president, Trump, helped create that lack of safety.

  30. Re: Yeah... (Uninformed Post) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah who cares about those other guys?

    Eat a dick fascist.

  31. totalitarian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All emails and communications travel routes that place them overseas for a small period of time, allowing all your communications to be spied upon.

  32. For those giving Trump shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll quote Pelosi for you:

      "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it." -2010

  33. Don't blame Trump by fustakrakich · · Score: 0

    Everybody is for this, so let it go...

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    1. Re:Don't blame Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (-1 Flamebait)

      Ah yes, as reliable as the sunrise, the Trump rage never fails to produce.

  34. Not a surprise. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I expect this from a Republican government. That's just the way it is with isolationists. I had hope Obummer would show some initiative and not renew it. Freedom to the people and all that.

  35. Donald Dork admits colluding with the Russians by L.+J.+Beauregard · · Score: 0

    Donald Dork claims that Obama spied on him by using FISA to spy on the Russians.

    Donald Dork claims that he was not colluding with the Russians.

    If Donald Dork was not colluding with the Russians, how could Obama spy on him by spying on the Russians?

    Donald Dork is admitting that he colluded with the Russians.

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  36. Re:TRUMP 2021!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    PROOF of LIBERAL BIAST on SLASHDOT

    ARFFF!! WTF is a LIBERAL BIAST. Sounds like someones butt coming and going or a weird double sided goatse to me. Very entertaining that another illiterate anon coward in the parents basement posting on slashdot just came up with one of the most humorous spelling spoonerisms I have ever seen on this site! At least it seems that King Orange Twit on Twitter at least has some edjumication and can at least spell... OH wait he might just be using a spell checker and fooling the whole lot of us. Either way I truly hope that deporting all those illegals gets you a chance at a job, I am sure that there will be many new jobs created as 800,000 largely decent people are replaced by the hoards of illiterate angry anon cowards in their parents basements. I will mail you a toilet brush if you like with instructions for use, you will find it invaluable in the new job markets being created by Donald Trump.

  37. If you didn't vote Libertarian you ASKED FOR THIS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Our elected officials from both major parties have never really cared one iota about liberty or the Constitution. Back in 2001 officials from both parties voted for the Patriot Act which included warrentless wiretapping. 6 years later Barack Obama announced to run as president and complained about Bush's wiretapping. His campaign was ran so that people was given the impression he would eliminate such wiretapping. Once elected he expanded it and kept the Iraqi war going. How is Trump any different than any of the other presidents that have chosen to completely disregard the constitution? He will continue to do just as everyone in Washington will. There is no political motivation for either party to eliminate the unconstitutional wiretapping.

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    A vote against a Libertarian candidate is
    a vote to abolish the Constitution itself

  38. Re: TRUMP 2021!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    elitism gets you the noose or the guillotine

  39. Just like Obama by Karmashock · · Score: 0

    ... this isn't about Trump... this is now the status quo.

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    1. Re:Just like Obama by darthsilun · · Score: 1

      And the Shrub before him. If you're a conspiracy theorist you can even claim W let the WTC attacks happen just so he could get this (and a whole lot of other things.)

    2. Re:Just like Obama by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      If you're a conspiracy theorist you can even claim W let the WTC attacks happen

      I don't need to be a conspiracy theorist.
      I have 43's own word on that.

    3. Re:Just like Obama by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      There's no conspiracy... Bush passed it... Obama renewed it throughout his administration and now Trump is doing the same thing.

      Its the status quo now.

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  40. Re:TRUMP 2021!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump supporters. You mean all the pregnant Russian Women he is letting come over to have anchor babies?

  41. Re:Simultaneous to claiming its use to abuse him.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    She didn't do anything that many, many haven't done.

    I used to be in the camp that liberalism wasn't a disease, it was just that liberals had unnaturally elevated emotional reactions.
    That sad, the more frequent that things like this get stated, the more I realize I was wrong and it truly is a mental disease.

    It's unabashed moral apathy.
    The fact that any wrong-doing is OK so long as someone else has done it before, it's not only beyond disgusting, it's degenerate.

  42. Wow, surprise. by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

    tRump LOVES government spying...on everyone but himself and his mob allies