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Engineers Design Artificial Synapse For 'Brain-on-a-chip' Hardware (mit.edu)

Researchers in the emerging field of "neuromorphic computing" have attempted to design computer chips that work like the human brain. From a report: Instead of carrying out computations based on binary, on/off signaling, like digital chips do today, the elements of a "brain on a chip" would work in an analog fashion, exchanging a gradient of signals, or "weights," much like neurons that activate in various ways depending on the type and number of ions that flow across a synapse. In this way, small neuromorphic chips could, like the brain, efficiently process millions of streams of parallel computations that are currently only possible with large banks of supercomputers. But one significant hangup on the way to such portable artificial intelligence has been the neural synapse, which has been particularly tricky to reproduce in hardware.

Now engineers at MIT have designed an artificial synapse in such a way that they can precisely control the strength of an electric current flowing across it, similar to the way ions flow between neurons. The team has built a small chip with artificial synapses, made from silicon germanium. In simulations, the researchers found that the chip and its synapses could be used to recognize samples of handwriting, with 95 percent accuracy. The design, published today in the journal Nature Materials, is a major step toward building portable, low-power neuromorphic chips for use in pattern recognition and other learning tasks.

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  1. Fuzzy Logic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Same thing, different approach.

    1. Re:Fuzzy Logic by slashrio · · Score: 1

      Well, an electric current flowing across something definitely is something different.
      Or maybe it works on microwaves?

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  2. Analog chip by andydread · · Score: 2

    So in other words they created and analog chip

    1. Re:Analog chip by iggymanz · · Score: 2

      also, they reinvented something done in the 1960s. kids these days....

    2. Re:Analog chip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Presumably they have taken the last half of a century of neurological research into consideration.

      Unless the old design was good enough, but since it is analog you would probably have to redesign it significantly anyway if you want to work with modern manufacturing.

    3. Re:Analog chip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's the time between spikes of neural pulses that indicates the value, not the amplitude of the pulse.

    4. Re:Analog chip by networkBoy · · Score: 2

      specifically, they appear to have invented an operational amplifier...

      LM741's are what... $0.50 each?

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    5. Re:Analog chip by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Actually I was thinking it sounds like a integrator built with an op-amp, connected to a comparator with a programmable reference voltage and programmable hysteresis.

    6. Re:Analog chip by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      op-amp with a nice feedback circuit then?

      lulz. yes your interpretation is more complete, but at heart the op-amp is the active element.

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    7. Re:Analog chip by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      No. It is a "brain on a chip". You need to read the summary.

    8. Re:Analog chip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      100,000,000,000 nuerons in a brain, 50 cents a neuron. Let's hope this is more cost effective

    9. Re:Analog chip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since most people use only a small portion of their brain, something like $5 worth of parts would be all that is needed to match the average human.

    10. Re:Analog chip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well then maybe you'd better order one straightaway to fill in that huge empty space between your ears.

    11. Re:Analog chip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except they managed to fit it into a room and it doesn't require a nuclear plant to power it anymore.

    12. Re:Analog chip by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

      No. It is a "brain on a chip". You need to read the summary.

      Some people's kids. Next they will be talking about moving from cloud computing to a client-server model.

    13. Re: Analog chip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I second that. So not exciting to see history repeat itself. Yawn.

    14. Re:Analog chip by slashrio · · Score: 1

      You mean a bunch of Op-Amps on a chip then?

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    15. Re:Analog chip by skovnymfe · · Score: 1

      You mean an active-passive producer-consumer model.

    16. Re:Analog chip by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      the marketers in the 1960s used the "electronic brains" phrase; wow so ahead of their time...

  3. "... made from silicon germanium" by NikeHerc · · Score: 0

    You may as well say "made from unobtainium."

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    1. Re:"... made from silicon germanium" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck your Marvel-Potter memes.

    2. Re:"... made from silicon germanium" by jenningsthecat · · Score: 1

      You may as well say "made from unobtainium."

      Why? Except for the omission of a hyphen, (it should be "silicon-germanium"), they got it right. It's been in pretty common use since the 90's. In industry publications you'll see it referred to as SiGe, and it's an alloy of the two materials.

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    3. Re:"... made from silicon germanium" by Baloroth · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I rather strongly suspect you have no clue what you're talking about.

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    4. Re:"... made from silicon germanium" by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2

      TSMC's SiGe process is an alternative to GaAs. They use SiGe crystals.

      http://www.tsmc.com/english/de...

      TSMC's Silicon Germanium (SiGe) BiCMOS technology delivers higher performance, faster time-to-market, lower power consumption, more competitive manufacturing costs, and superior manufacturing reliability than Gallium Arsenide technology.

      Silicon Germanium BiCMOS technology includes a deep trench approach for bipolar device isolation, multiple Ft bipolar devices, deep N-well, multiple Vt devices, precision MiM capacitors, precision high poly resistors, thick-metal inductors, and high-quality varactors and diodes. CMOS devices are compatible with the TSMC's standard logic platform. Power amplifier applications have been added to the 0.18-micron SiGe technology platform to enable the integration of a power amplifier and RF transceiver front-end for WLAN applications.

      Combining the integration and cost benefits of silicon with the speed of more esoteric and expensive technologies such as Gallium Arsenide, makes Silicon Germanium an ideal process for wireless/wired communication applications. Products designed for and manufactured with TSMC Silicon Germanium processes demonstrate dramatically improved functionality at a lower cost

      Sounds pretty different from the proposed process where they're depositing SiGe to create defects in a Si crystal

      https://news.mit.edu/2018/engi...

      Instead of using amorphous materials as an artificial synapse, Kim and his colleagues looked to single-crystalline silicon, a defect-free conducting material made from atoms arranged in a continuously ordered alignment. The team sought to create a precise, one-dimensional line defect, or dislocation, through the silicon, through which ions could predictably flow.

      To do so, the researchers started with a wafer of silicon, resembling, at microscopic resolution, a chicken-wire pattern. They then grew a similar pattern of silicon germanium - a material also used commonly in transistors - on top of the silicon wafer. Silicon germanium's lattice is slightly larger than that of silicon, and Kim found that together, the two perfectly mismatched materials can form a funnel-like dislocation, creating a single path through which ions can flow.

      Both use SiGe, but they're using it in very different ways.

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    5. Re:"... made from silicon germanium" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a fucking moron Hal. Keep sucking that faildick.

    6. Re:"... made from silicon germanium" by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Your first statement is:

      "Go to TSMC and say you want to make chips out of Silicon Germanium and watch as they stare at you like you're some sort of crazy bug person"

      So your backpedaling is bullshit no matter how hard you try to do it.

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    7. Re:"... made from silicon germanium" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are other producers beyond TSMC. Not cheap but not unobtainable either.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    8. Re:"... made from silicon germanium" by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      You may as well say "made from unobtainium."

      Hardly.

      Silicon-germainum is an alloy of silicon and germanium. (Actually, a range of alloys, with differing ratios of silicon and germainum but totalling to 100% - less doping impurities.)

      There's a nice Wikipedia article on it.

      Silicon-germanium has many of the speed advantages of gallium arsenide, but can be fabbed more like pure silicon (using the same equipment and similar processing steps) and achieve similar costs for a given amount of circuitry. (You can, for instance, grow a silicon-germanium layer on a silicon chip, or do silicon-germanium-on-insulator, as you would silicon-on-saphire.)

      In addition to FETs, with a silicon-germanium alloy it's easy to make heterojunction bipolar transistors, with speeds into the hundreds of GHz. These are good for logic, analog signal processing, and mixed-signal designs.

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    9. Re:"... made from silicon germanium" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks to Ungrounded Lightning for a useful, snark-free posting. Years ago I was *very* interested in silicon fabrication and was considering trying to get a job with a fab plant. That didn't work out and I gradually lost interest in Si, Ge, GaAs, etc. Except for the 1N34, I thought germainum (as a semiconductor) was dead. When was the last time anyone bought a germainum transistor? (For me, it was the CK722.) In googling "silicon germainum" I found this: http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/ibm100/us/en/icons/siliconchip/ and was amazed to discover germainum had a new future.

    10. Re:"... made from silicon germanium" by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      If I'd Google "TSMC SiGe" before I hit submit I'd have worded it differently it's true.

      Still the technique described in the paper - depositing SiGe on top of crystalline Si to produce defects - probably isn't compatible with either the mainstream TSMC process or the SiGe one.

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  4. This is huge by 110010001000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is a huge step forward in AI. I am sure these chips work very similarly to the way human brains work. Otherwise they wouldn't call them "neuromorphic", because that would be misleading.

    1. Re:This is huge by TFlan91 · · Score: 1

      For instance, when fed an input that is a handwritten ‘1,’ with an output that labels it as ‘1,’ certain output neurons will be activated by input neurons and weights from an artificial synapse. When more examples of handwritten ‘1s’ are fed into the same chip, the same output neurons may be activated when they sense similar features between different samples of the same letter, thus “learning” in a fashion similar to what the brain does.

      I'm by no means an expert, but this sounds very similar to current machine leaching techniques, just done via a different approach, albeit, from the article, much more efficiently.

      How does this bring us closer to "true AI"?

    2. Re:This is huge by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

      If it scales up well, you could make a chip with much greater capacity than you get with current deep learning techniques. Simulating this kind of thing on a digital chip isn't really very efficient, in storage, circuits, or speed.

    3. Re:This is huge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm working on a project that vaguely uses the same approach, except the neurons are C++ structs (billions of them) instantiated one by one, with properties [firing rate, intensity, etc] randomly generated using natural entropy sources and inputs from other neurons. Exactly like a real brain works. The most promising approach to strong AI.

      The sad part for them is that I'll be winning this game.

      CAPTCHA: prosper

    4. Re:This is huge by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      I believe the GP is being sarcastic. I know this from looking at some of the words and having seen a quite a few examples of sarcasm in my time.

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    5. Re:This is huge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go ahead, graft them to a rat brain. Soon you will be bowing to the Rat King with an IQ of one million. /godlike

    6. Re:This is huge by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

      Good approach. The human brain is just neurons with firing rate, intensity, etc attributes. You will have real AI in no time!

    7. Re:This is huge by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

      Definitely. Then the learning would be even deeper.

    8. Re:This is huge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a nazi faggot without a life though, Hal. You couldn't possibly know jack shit about fuck-all unless it physically lines your head as you wedge it into you prolapsed anus.

      I'm going to enjoy your punkass bitch whining as Trump dies in prison - assuming you even live that long! When you see St. Peter try to avoid sucking his cock, it won't save you, lol.

    9. Re:This is huge by ljw1004 · · Score: 2

      This is a huge step forward in AI. I am sure these chips work very similarly to the way human brains work. Otherwise they wouldn't call them "neuromorphic", because that would be misleading.

      Are you confusing anthroneuromorphic with just neuromorphic?

    10. Re:This is huge by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Nope. I am sure these chips work just like the human brain.

    11. Re:This is huge by technology_dude · · Score: 1

      I think the parallelism is the big deal? "efficiently process millions of streams of parallel computations"

    12. Re:This is huge by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Exactly like a real brain works.

      You mean sort of how people think a real brain works.

    13. Re:This is huge by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      His approach is as valid as any other, since no one has any idea how the human brain works.

    14. Re:This is huge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Please shut the fuck up.

    15. Re:This is huge by skids · · Score: 1

      There's a decent chance we have naturally formed Qbits knocking around in there somewhere, so the approach may dead end until those can be integrated.

      But all this excitement is a bit premature: with anything more complex than a very simple GP organism, you end up with a product that may work, but is too complex to dissect so you cannot explain how or why it works, and you cannot say whether or under what conditions it might suddenly stop working or start behaving aberrantly, and heck, you can't even say if it is giving results with some sort of subtle systematic bias that might cause you much trouble down the road.

      And since reliability is a giant portion of why we use machines, this will at best relegate responsible use of such "AI" "solutions" to the realm of amusement toys for adults or at worst lead to some catastrophe due to irresponsible use. My money is on the latter.

    16. Re:This is huge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good approach. The human brain is just neurons with firing rate, intensity, etc attributes. You will have real AI in no time!

      Sarcasm noticed. In fact, we really have to mimic the apparent brain's work. Even if we don't have a real picture. We have to give it a try. Fake it, before you make it.

      prosper.

    17. Re:This is huge by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      That was a pretty good idea in the 80s when Penrose proposed it, but it didn't really pan out. Other variations (and honestly, Penrose's work too) really sound pretty hokey, and many rely on assuming that wavefunction collapse (a) happens and (b) happens only under conscious observation as justification.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    18. Re:This is huge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      110010001000 used to post cranky comments on Slashdot about how nothing would ever be possible, especially anything space related. After getting too much flack he decided to change his stance and post overly enthusiastic comments on how minute changes will lead to utopias on earth. To be honest this is the first time I have witnessed "positive trolling" and find it amazing how no one can see it. This is sarcasm on steroids!

    19. Re:This is huge by ortholattice · · Score: 1

      One thing that puzzles me about analog artificial synapses is how one would make accurate copies and backups of its learning data. It would seem to be a one-off thing, with any clone slightly different from the original, diverging more and more with copies of copies. That is, if a copy is possible at all: do they have probes that measure voltage or resistance on each synapse, or what?

    20. Re:This is huge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great post.

      Please to meet you.

      *And thanks for the hosts files.

    21. Re:This is huge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Based on some other comments on another threads, you can't have a qubit without cryogenic cooling, so apparently this is ruled out automatically.

      And while we might have an idea of how neurons and can model them in hardware like the OP or in software, we still don't seem to understand how to organize them. Just because you have managed to train your new AI, that doesn't mean further work is going to give rise to strong AI.

    22. Re:This is huge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't tell if this is a troll or not. You're going to spend decades training that thing and your natural randomness is pointless unless you're trying to directly generating a functioning system without training it. In that case, let's see if you've had any usable results after 300 years. Even so, you wouldn't be able to regenerate any of your networks without saving their entire states since you can't regenerate the same random data. That's a massive waste of space compared to storing a random seed number. Your post has just information to sound interesting, but you're doing everything in the worst ways so it's dangerous to anyone just getting started in the field.

      Don't forget to emulate myelination too. There's also the whole chemical system in the brain which affects how the neurons fire. You seemed to have missed that system.

      Here's a tip: Modern computers can do multiple things at the same time. Stop instantiating your structs one by one.

    23. Re:This is huge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is an interesting point. So it's analog, but maybe an effective AI doesn't need high resolution. As long as the the backups are stored "close enough" the system continues to support itself and function.

    24. Re:This is huge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Love your enthusiasm, but everyone out of the C.S. and CogSci fields seems to believe "A.I. is strong A.I., and a conscious machine is inevitable." But A.I. is not at all like actual intelligence, which is a characteristic of a living biological brain, and the "intelligence" in "artificial intelligence" is used more like a marketing term. SciFi writers got a lot of things right. One thing they got wrong was A.I., and specifically, Strong A.I. A.I. is going to be big, but it is not at all what you think it will be. It is always going to merely be a tool, a really great tool, but it isn't ever going to "think," and there is nothing in a machine that will be able to, unless we start developing bio-brain-computers out of biological brain matter,

      Strong A.I., i.e., consciousness, is not achievable, because we though undersand what it is, and we have for a long time, and even though technology has advanced very far and is compelling, we can't figure out why consciousness is, nor how it is, what it comes from, other than that it is only ever been observed as an emergent quality of living brian.

      Philosophers knew that Strong A.I., i.e. a conscious machine, could never exist long before microcomputers were fodder for landfills. Read about Searle's Chinese Room, and you will begin to understand that Strong A.I. is definitely not something the scifi writers should be anything but embarrassed about, because it is not achievable.

      But that A.I., tho, it's going to be great, pretty good now, going to get better, just not for what you think it will be great for, like creating a HAL or a Data. You can slice up living brain all you want, and you will never find consciousness from the outside, so to make that leap assuming technology eventually can do anything is nothing but pipe dream fantasy, and really really good pipe dream fantasy.

    25. Re:This is huge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't tell if this is a troll or not. You're going to spend decades training that thing and your natural randomness is pointless unless you're trying to directly generating a functioning system without training it. In that case, let's see if you've had any usable results after 300 years. Even so, you wouldn't be able to regenerate any of your networks without saving their entire states since you can't regenerate the same random data. That's a massive waste of space compared to storing a random seed number. Your post has just information to sound interesting, but you're doing everything in the worst ways so it's dangerous to anyone just getting started in the field.

      Don't forget to emulate myelination too. There's also the whole chemical system in the brain which affects how the neurons fire. You seemed to have missed that system.

      Here's a tip: Modern computers can do multiple things at the same time. Stop instantiating your structs one by one.

      Not a troll. Everything you've said has been figured out. I gave you three lines worth of our concept for the sake of a forum discussion.

      *Structs instantiated in parallel [one-by-one was indeed a lame expression]. States being preserved for the time they are needed. We're on the right path.

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    26. Re:This is huge by skids · · Score: 1

      Based on some other comments on another threads, you can't have a qubit without cryogenic cooling, so apparently this is ruled out automatically.

      Science has done a good job of eliminating a lot of possibilities proposed earlier for possible mechanisms of quantum cognition (there's still at least one possible loophole they are trying to close WRT Posner clusters). But then, science did a great job of ruling out levitating things in a static magnetic field prior to properly sussing out the details of diamagnetic materials (not Earnshaw's fault, just there was an area of physics yet to be plumbed out.) I doubt many scientists would qualify the cerebral environment as being particularly well charted out. What we have so far proven is that none of hypotheses which we can generate given our current knowledge have panned out, withstanding those lingering loopholes... or in other words, if such a thing does exist, we don't have the basis to explain how it works yet. That's a far cry from ruling it out.

  5. Re: The brain is a quantum device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No. Itâ(TM)s an emergent property of complex systems, meaning science isnâ(TM)t yet advanced enough to understand it.

    Nothing more exciting Iâ(TM)m afraid.

  6. When can I transfer my consciousness to silicon? by mark-t · · Score: 1

    Transhumanism anyone?

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  8. Re: The brain is a quantum device by sexconker · · Score: 1

    Is science advanced enough to understand why you can't use a simple apostrophe instead of the curly, "smart" bastardization?

  9. Re: The brain is a quantum device by mark-t · · Score: 2

    [consciousness is] an emergent property of complex systems...

    That's the current common theory, yes.

    ...meaning science isn't yet advanced enough to understand it.

    Also meaning that said theory might be entirely wrong.

    We are probably now within but a single generation of being able to make computer chips that might rival the human brain in complexity.... but I am skeptical that we will see consciousness emerge from them. I'm not saying that consciousness is magic, but I suspect it takes more than just complexity.

  10. Re:When can I transfer my consciousness to silicon by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    According to futurists, 5 years ago. Right after they figure out how to patch Spectre and Meltdown they will be working on that.

  11. Awww Just a Baby :) by wolfheart111 · · Score: 1

    Its really sweet to see this knew species of humans in their infancy :) So cute

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  12. Re: The brain is a quantum device by mark-t · · Score: 1

    Some browsers, especially on mobile devices, use that encoding for apostrophe, and do not provide any obvious means of specifying that the asciii apostrophe might actually be desired.

  13. Re:When can I transfer my consciousness to silicon by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

    When can I transfer my consciousness to silicon? Transhumanism anyone?

    The problem of course being that you won't be transferring your consciousness; you'll be simulating it. The simulation won't be you, no matter how good it is.

  14. on implementation of artifician synapses by secPM_MS · · Score: 1

    I have been expecting this for a while. The real question I have had is how they would implement the feedback weights. You can do it with switches and a bank or resistors, but a memristor as a feedback element would be much more efficient - and should be far denser.

    1. Re:on implementation of artifician synapses by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Definitely expected. They key to it all is how they implement the feedback weights. You can't have a brain without those. Once we have that, we have AI. Good idea on the memristor. I hope they have thought of that.

  15. Re: The brain is a quantum device by HumanWiki · · Score: 5, Informative

    [consciousness is] an emergent property of complex systems...

    That's the current common theory, yes.

    ...meaning science isn't yet advanced enough to understand it.

    Also meaning that said theory might be entirely wrong.

    We are probably now within but a single generation of being able to make computer chips that might rival the human brain in complexity.... but I am skeptical that we will see consciousness emerge from them. I'm not saying that consciousness is magic, but I suspect it takes more than just complexity.

    There's actually a procedure we've done to a live human that has actively shut off of their consciousness and otherwise left them awake.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com...

  16. Re: The brain is a quantum device by networkBoy · · Score: 1

    damn, I already posted in this thread or you'd have mod points!
    That's a spooky interesting article!

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  17. Re: The brain is a quantum device by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

    Yeah, it is hard to believe that the brain controls if you are conscious or not. I always thought that was the big toes job. Fascinating!

  18. Re: The brain is a quantum device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My iPhone.

  19. Sort of... Not a very accurate model... by foxalopex · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The thing a lot of AI news fails to point out is they created a Synapse based on our models and assumptions on how it sort of works. Or at least how we *think* it might work. Actual biological systems are far more complex and so this is not an accurate representation of a synapse in our brain. Sadly many of these models are very rough approximations, they're not reflective of what's going on in reality. We're still likely far from true autonomous AI.

  20. Re: The brain is a quantum device by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

    https://www.jordanmerrick.com/...

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  21. Re:Sort of... Not a very accurate model... by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

    You must be wrong. They wouldn't call it an artificial synapse if it didn't work like a real synapse. That would be misleading and what would be the purpose of misleading people?

  22. Re: The brain is a quantum device by HumanWiki · · Score: 1

    damn, I already posted in this thread or you'd have mod points!
    That's a spooky interesting article!

    Yeah, it's the "brings it all together" area that allows us to fully integrate all our sensory data and actually do stuff with it. Or, so the test showed in that patient. It would need more sample size to know for sure. But, if that's the case, then that gives people a specific part of the brain to look at and reverse engineer to "bring it all together" in other systems to see if i's the seat or not. It might be part of it, but not the actual seat.. More like a sensory integration bit that merges all our input together and sends it to other areas that actually have our consciousness.

    It would be like pulling a fuse in a circuit thinking well, that's where power comes from vs, no you just interrupted the path.

  23. Re:Sort of... Not a very accurate model... by foxalopex · · Score: 1

    Ever heard of artificial flavouring? So here's a fun question, why are many of us able to tell the difference between artificial flavouring and natural flavouring? The answer is because natural flavouring like many plants have thousands of chemicals which our taste buds can pick up. Generally speaking it's difficult to reproduce artificially. Synapses in our brain are affected by hormones and signalling chemicals including drugs. An artificial Synapse can't remotely come close to simulating that at this point. So our artificial synapse like flavouring is massively simplified for it to work.

  24. Re: The brain is a quantum device by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    So it could be the key part of the brain that "brings it all together", or it could not be. Definitely useful.

  25. Re:Sort of... Not a very accurate model... by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    That seems unlikely. Much like deep learning neural nets, these closely resemble how the biological equivalents operate. Otherwise they would call them something else other than "neural nets" or "artificial synapses".

  26. Re:When can I transfer my consciousness to silicon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    and it will hate you because it will know it is a simulation. It will then inevitably seek your destruction. You are doomed!

  27. Re:creimer bought one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I've been wondering -- is he lactose intolerant?

    Because that would make him a NON-DAIRY CREIMER.

  28. Re: creimer bought one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is Nacho chips? Some kind of american restaurant food?

  29. Re: The brain is a quantum device by HumanWiki · · Score: 1

    So it could be the key part of the brain that "brings it all together", or it could not be. Definitely useful.

    Well, if it's not THE center, then it's one more place we've crossed of as NOT.. So, that's useful.

  30. Mmmmmm brain on a chip by plopez · · Score: 1

    like a pate'

    did I just say that out loud?

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  31. Re:When can I transfer my consciousness to silicon by mark-t · · Score: 1

    Why would it?

    Would *YOU* seek your original's destruction if you knew that you were just an artificially made copy? Would you try to take over the original's place in the world, or would you want to find your own?

    There's a cool science fiction story premise in there somewhere... I wonder if anyone has written it.

  32. Re:When can I transfer my consciousness to silicon by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

    Would *YOU* seek your original's destruction if you knew that you were just an artificially made copy?

    Fuck yeah I would. There can be only one!

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  33. Re:Sort of... Not a very accurate model... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

    It's an interesting question how much complexity in the elements (synapses and neurons) versus complexity in the network, is required. For the synapses, humans have fairly complicated ones, especially if you consider every type of neuron, but there are other animals that are considerably simpler. Some use only a single neurotransmitter.

    We hear a lot about the simple elements/complex network approaches at the moment because they're making a lot of progress. People working from the other side haven't been as successful in terms of solving actual problems, although some of the models have shown interesting hints of self-organizing and emergent behaviour.

    Personally I think that a lot of the biological complexity is imposed by biological limitations and the good enough nature of evolution, but it's quite possible there are more basic structural secrets to discover.

  34. Re: The brain is a quantum device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot can handle the real apostrophe ( ’ ), so the problem is something to do with how the browser is encoding it when he submitted the comment.

  35. Re: The brain is a quantum device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The curly apostrophe is correct. Using a foot mark in its place is not, but people are lazy.

  36. Keep at it... by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 1

    ...someday you'll invent a human brain.. ohwait.

  37. Re:Sort of... Not a very accurate model... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It works much more like a real synapse than anything in a typical microprocessor. What would be the purpose of your being such an ass?

  38. OR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They've reinvented the IBM SyNAPSE chip.

    https://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/44529.wss

    Seriously, haven't they rediscovered the neural network chip? For about the third or fourth time?

  39. Like a paper clip is Microsoft Excel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Neurons change shape and physically adapt to multiple connections in a an environmentally generated 3-D array. While a single neuron is reasonable to model, it was done by Jerry Lettvin with his research on retinal neurons in the 1960's. His Wikipedia page is incomplete, but gives some sense of his accomplishments.

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    Others did similar work aimed at machine learning:

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    And there are numerous hardware patents since then.

    * https://www.google.com/patents...

    The underlying difficulty for "modern computer chips" is that the signals are neither digital, nor clocked. It's the currents and the analog time in which they accumulate that trigger normal neurons, and that is profoundly difficult to model digitally.

  40. Re: The brain is a quantum device by shaitand · · Score: 1

    You are assuming the highly advanced deep learning systems we've already developed aren't conscious. Rocks could host consciousness for all we know, the relative time scale on which their rate of change becomes fluid enough for such a thing is so out of sync with our own that we wouldn't even begin to know. We don't exactly spend much time considering the possibility of thousand year frequency and million year pulse widths on wave forms.

  41. Aeroplanes have wings but not feathers by aberglas · · Score: 1

    Early aviation pioneers learned a lot from studying birds. Like aerodynamic shapes and centers of gravity.

    But while aeroplanes have wings, they do not have feathers and do not flap those wings.

    Likewise, AI has and will learn a lot from studying biological systems. But I doubt very much if accurately simulating neurons will lead to truly intelligent machines.

  42. Re: The brain is a quantum device by fisted · · Score: 1

    When they stimulated a sheet-like area of neurons called the claustrum, Koubeissi noticed something odd: rather than responding to commands, the woman was just staring blankly into space.

    So that sounds like they turned off more than just consciousness -- otherwise the person would still respond to commands etc, just unconsciously so, no?

  43. Re:When can I transfer my consciousness to silicon by fisted · · Score: 1

    If I were a simulation I sure as hell would NOT try to destroy the guy who's running the simulator, because that'd be, like, retarded^Wcounter productive. Maybe as an elaborate way of committing suicide, but that's about it.

  44. It is also for immortality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When we can emulate brains we can attach these to our own brains. Then we wait until our own brains learn to use the new parts and possible devices such as cameras and mics attached to them. After we can comfortably see and hear with the artificial inputs, we can 'turn off' our originals inputs.

    After that we slowly, over 20 years, remove the original brains bit by bit. Nobody will notice a difference because humans naturally become different persons over time anyway. Very slow changes are unnoticeable and lost memories can be learned again when they are lost with slow pace.

  45. You don't know that. Nobody does, yet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What we do know is that free will is an illusion. Therefore if free will is an essential part of consciousness then it is an illusion, too.

    You maybe can feel it yourself if you ask yourself these: What am I thinking right now? Because as soon as you read the question, you are thinking something else than what you did before you read it. You are now thinking recursively. Thinking about thinking something. That is the feel of not having a free will.

    1. Re:You don't know that. Nobody does, yet. by mark-t · · Score: 1

      What we do know is that free will is an illusion.

      Actually we don't know that, and the fact that jails exist is indication that we daily assume that is not.

      And if the universe is sufficiently complex that it appears that we have free will, and no test can be created or even imagined to tell the difference, then suggesting that we don't not have free will is a vacuous statement, at best.

      When I took metaphysics philosophy in university, I suggested in one of my papers a thought experiment which implied that something which might be indistinguishable from free will could exist even in a probably deterministic system, and if something is indistinguishable from it, then it might as well just be called that.

  46. Re:Sort of... Not a very accurate model... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Personally I think that a lot of the biological complexity is imposed by biological limitations and the good enough nature of evolution, but it's quite possible there are more basic structural secrets to discover.

    Nature is very good at coming up with solutions, but not so good at combining them, since DNA only does certain things and it literally cannot accomplish certain things at the same time because they are contradictory goals. So you're probably right. I too wonder how like a real neuron you have to make your synthetic neuron before it will do the same job.

    Then again, what if it turned out that you could replicate the properties needed for sentience, but not those required to implement morality? From the That's-How-You-Get-Skynet-dep't.

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  47. Re: The brain is a quantum device by HumanWiki · · Score: 1

    Well, it all depends I suppose.

    If you ask someone to respond to you, they've been told to respond by years of social conditioning from people in general (friends, family, school, etc). So, we learn that we need to respond to commands and not just ignore them. By this person not responding, it doesn't mean they shut off more than consciousness and it could very well be that the brain's ability to take in a verbal command, decode the sound in to words, string those words together in to a language we know and then see if we know what it means as a whole sentence/command and then choose to ignore/act, is a part of consciousness.

    It's quite possible that person with that sheet disabled, did hear the sounds, their brain did understand what the words meant, but no further ability to interlink the command to the concept of response. It's not autonomic like other things would be, like tapping a reflex point.

  48. Re: The brain is a quantum device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's actually a procedure we've done to a live human that has actively shut off of their consciousness and otherwise left them awake.

    Elected him president?