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Fantasy Fiction Novelist Ursula K. Le Guin Dies At 88 (nytimes.com)

sandbagger shares a report from The New York Times (Warning: may be paywalled; alternative source): Ursula K. Le Guin, the immensely popular author who brought literary depth and a tough-minded feminist sensibility to science fiction and fantasy with books like "The Left Hand of Darkness" and the Earthsea series, died on Monday at her home in Portland, Oregon. She was 88. Her son, Theo Downes-Le Guin, confirmed her death. He did not specify a cause but said she had been in poor health for several months.

Ms. Le Guin embraced the standard themes of her chosen genres: sorcery and dragons, spaceships and planetary conflict. But even when her protagonists are male, they avoid the macho posturing of so many science fiction and fantasy heroes. The conflicts they face are typically rooted in a clash of cultures and resolved more by conciliation and self-sacrifice than by swordplay or space battles. Her books have been translated into more than 40 languages and have sold millions of copies worldwide.

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  1. Very sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was very sad to read about her passing. LeGuin's Earthsea books are some of my all time favourites. In fact, I just finished re-reading A Wizard of Earthsea about a month ago. Apart from the also fantastic Left Hand of Darkness award winning book, I also highly recommend her novel The Dispossessed. It's a sci-fi story which explores life on two neighbouring worlds, one purely communist and one purely capitalist.

    I love how LeGuin could get across several points and emotions very simply. She wouldn't say, "There hadn't been rain for weeks, people were worried because the crops were dying. David and everyone he knew was hungry." She would write something like, "David looked out over the wilted wheatfields, failing to ignore the rumbling in his belly."

    I'm not doing it justice, but she had a way of presenting scenes in a way which got across both the situation and an emotion without listing off a bunch of related information.

    1. Re:Very sad by deek · · Score: 2

      Very much agree with the recommendation for The Dispossessed. Definitely my favourite Le Guin novel. I'd be a bit more specific about the political system for Anarres, though. Better to describe it as "Anarchist Communism", so to avoid confusion with Marxism and Maoism.

    2. Re:Very sad by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      I actually read her works for the first time perhaps a year or two ago - the Earthsea trilogy, that is. A lot of fun to read. Not quite as groundbreaking in modern times, but I can see how they really veered away from convention when they were written. A brown-skinned protagonist? Shocking! Note: she grumbled a bit that they still insisted on painting him as a white-skinned character for the original book cover, which I found both hilarious and slightly sad.

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    3. Re:Very sad by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Also sad to see that headline. I have read "The Left Hand of Darkness", long ago, and it still is one of my favorite novels. I read a couple of the Earthsea books, but not in order, just as I found them. Great story, and I will have to make it a point to read more of it.

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    4. Re:Very sad by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Definitely sad to hear. Also, a reminder that I need to read more of her work. I read the first Earthsea way back in junior high and know I enjoyed it. I can't remember now if I read any more of that series. I picked up Left Hand of Darkness in college and tried several times but failed to get into it, but can't remember why now. She's been on my to-read-more list ever since, and has gotten a lot of mentions on a number of literary and author's podcasts recently.

    5. Re:Very sad by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      I read The Dispossessed a couple of years ago. Boring. Inadequate understanding of both communism and capitalism.

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  2. One of the greats. by gbr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A huge, huge loss.

    1. Re:One of the greats. by jwhyche · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Totally Agree. I can't say I was a fan of all of her works but EarthSea was one of the first books I can recall reading. I found many of the concepts she wrote about in that book have affected some of the amateur writing that I do.

      Huge loss indeed.

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    2. Re:One of the greats. by Mathinker · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > but EarthSea was one of the first books I can recall reading

      For some reason, the library of my primary school had a copy of "The Tombs of Atuan" (just that, not the whole EarthSea series) on the shelf. Yes, I certainly still remember reading that as an impressionable young child (maybe I was nine?).

      Even though the experience creeped me out for life, I did eventually read a lot of her books, including the original EarthSea trilogy. My personal favorite is "The Lathe of Heaven".

  3. Arggghh! by prince+hal · · Score: 2

    Just when I was thinking that 2019 HAS to be better than 2017 was. She will be missed.

    Only in silence the word,
    Only in dark the light,
    Only in dying life:
    Bright the hawk's flight
    On the empty sky.

    1. Re:Arggghh! by prince+hal · · Score: 1

      Oooops. That was supposed to be "2018."

    2. Re: Arggghh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You should have just left it with 2019 and owned it.

    3. Re:Arggghh! by srmalloy · · Score: 2

      May she go forth in the sunrise boat,
      May she come to port in the sunset boat,
      May she go among the imperishable stars,
      May she journey in the Boat of a Million Years

      The Book of Going Forth by Daylight
      (Theban recension, ca. 18th Dynasty)

    4. Re:Arggghh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can we just move to the Off World colonies already? Do I have to wait until 2019?

    5. Re:Arggghh! by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2

      "For a word to be spoken, there must be silence. Before, and after."

    6. Re:Arggghh! by mukinrestak · · Score: 1

      At least it's not 2015. Losing Terry hurt.

  4. Even when her protagonists are male... by pots · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But even when her protagonists are male, they avoid the macho posturing of so many science fiction and fantasy heroes.

    ::sigh:: This is a completely necessary sentence. It's flamebait, in an article which should be about the passing of a very talented author who has, no doubt, impacted a lot of people here and elsewhere.

    1. Re:Even when her protagonists are male... by pots · · Score: 2

      Unnecessary. Un. I'm blaming the spell checker for this.

    2. Re:Even when her protagonists are male... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unnecessary. Un. I'm blaming the spell checker for this.

      You were right the first time. She made the Puppies of her day rage.

    3. Re:Even when her protagonists are male... by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't know. The point is she wasn't one of those writers who just recycle tropes. That is incredibly hard to do, because it means giving up on a huge trove of stereotypes that readers instantly understand without you having to do much work.

      I have a friend who's been successful enough as an urban fantasy writer to quit her day job. I was critiquing her first novel and one of the scenes where two men are alone discussing the female protagonist stuck out. It didn't ring true. Then I realized -- as a woman she her idea what men like when there's no women around came from television.

      So I wrote in the manuscript, "Men don't actually sound like this. Rewrite this scene as if these characters were human beings rather than men."

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    4. Re:Even when her protagonists are male... by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      So her idea of 'men talking' was Joey and Chandler on "Friends". Highly amusing, and very sad.

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    5. Re:Even when her protagonists are male... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I assume your friend consciously failed the "reversed Bechdel test" there. Nice!

    6. Re:Even when her protagonists are male... by dunkelfalke · · Score: 2, Informative

      Unfortunately it is not. The #4 Earthsea book, Tehanu, was written during Le Guin's feminist phase and is, unfortunately, downright misandric.

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    7. Re:Even when her protagonists are male... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0

      Pfff, you mean writers recycle crappy old ideas because they don't want to do work? No wonder it's so hard to read a book these days. "Oh, look, it's the hero's journey AGAIN, never heard that one before."

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    8. Re:Even when her protagonists are male... by hey! · · Score: 1

      Any writer who thinks he doesn't do this is deluding himself. It's a matter of using tropes consciously.

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    9. Re:Even when her protagonists are male... by hey! · · Score: 2

      Amusing, yes. Sad, no. Let me tell you why this person became a successful writer where so many like her failed: she knows how to use criticism intelligently.

      You can't avoid this sort of thing short of never having read anything else or watched any movies or TV. The trick is to be aware you're doing it.

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    10. Re:Even when her protagonists are male... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you completely missed the point about that book... Yeah, the villains were male, but so was Ged. The theme was that both men and women need to co-exist.

      She actually took a lot of flack from feminists because it was too pro-men.

    11. Re:Even when her protagonists are male... by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Come on, that is not an argument.
      Just because some extremists thought that the book was not men-hating enough, doesn't mean it wasn't men-hating at all. It is like a neonazi accusing a Trump fanboi not being right wing enough.

      And as for completely missing the point, Ged wasn't really spared from all the hate, just got less of it because at that point of time he was reduced to being a cripple.

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    12. Re:Even when her protagonists are male... by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      Any writer who thinks he doesn't do this is deluding himself. It's a matter of using tropes consciously.

      Yep. There is nothing new under the sun. The question is whether you use tropes well.

    13. Re:Even when her protagonists are male... by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      And yet, if you *don't* write a hero's journey, all the critique basically boils down to how the book failed to stick hero's journey standards.

    14. Re:Even when her protagonists are male... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was a little kid when I read it so I didn't catch that. All I remember is being vaguely confused by the end of the book and why Tehanu was a dragon but also not a dragon.

    15. Re:Even when her protagonists are male... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I liked the book very much for its Taoist undertones. Bad stuff happened to Tehanu but also the goats needed herding so she herded goats. Things are as they are, Uncarved Block as it were.

    16. Re:Even when her protagonists are male... by hawk · · Score: 1

      Fourth books bolted onto trilogies (as opposed to fourth books in a series) are rarely, if ever, a good idea.

      *cough*asimov*cough*cash-in*cough*

      hawk

    17. Re:Even when her protagonists are male... by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Agreed. "So long and thanks for all the fish" wasn't that good either.

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  5. Re:Good, she was a big Trump supporter. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Informative

    Do not libel the late, great Ursula Le Guin by calling her a Trump supporter. In fact, in her few public pronouncements on the matter, she made her distaste for Benedict Donald very clear. Here's a quote:

    " I tried to think of a headline about Donald Trump that would be unbelievable.

    Trump Apologizes For Everything He Ever Said.
    Trump Declares Himself Next Dalai Lama.
    Trump Relieves Himself on Fox TV Newscaster on Fox TV.
    Trump Dumps Wife, Woos Mrs. Cruz.

    These are implausible, but are they unbelievable? The last two aren’t even very implausible.

    Is anything about the current behavior of the Republican Party satirisable, or has it entered the Trump Zone – you can’t make it weirder than it is?"

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  6. Among the greatest writers in human history by eriks · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Such a great writer, and a Great Lady. She will be missed by multitudes, and loved for centuries to come. She is among the greatest of both fantasy and sci-fi writers.

    I am crushed that the worlds she created are now finite.

    “All knowledge is local, all truth is partial. No truth can make another truth untrue. All knowledge is part of the whole knowledge. A true line, a true color. Once you have seen the larger pattern, you cannot get back to seeing the part as the whole.”
    Ursula K. Le Guin

  7. What impressed me. by BitterOak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What really impressed me about Ursula Le Guin wasn't just her incredibly imaginative ideas, but also her great economy with language. She could say in a very short sentence what many writers would need a paragraph or two to say. As someone who has tried to do some writing myself, I really envy that gift.

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    1. Re:What impressed me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes! Agreed 100%. I think she managed a kind of intimate quality to her writing that not many authors can pull off. Her descriptions made the characters come alive in a way only a few of the very best authors ever manage. She wasn't a flowery writer, but she had a great gift for linguistic beauty.

    2. Re:What impressed me. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      She could say in a very short sentence what many writers would need a paragraph or two to say

      And some would take 800 pages and still not manage to get close.

      Looking at YOU Patrick Rothfuss.

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    3. Re:What impressed me. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      So she'd never have a peripheral chgaracter whose name sounds like a buttplug sing a song that goes on for 47 pages about what colour his britches are?

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    4. Re:What impressed me. by Dread_ed · · Score: 1

      Rothfuss may be wordy at times, but I forgive him any lack of economy. His prose is beautiful, at times lyrical, and linguistically decadent. Ursula's style and his are, in my estimation, mutually exclusive. If one can do flowery as well as powerfully efficient they are either going to be Shakespeare, or they're going to come off stilted and condescending.

      For the dark and shameful crown of needlessly wordy authors I would ask you redirect your accusing eyes to Robert Jordan, creator of the Wheel of Time series.

      Jordan had two unique personal distinctions in my vast experience of authors:

      1) The only writer I swear recycled the same page-long paragraph in multiple books as filler. The subject of this self-plagiarized abomination? A pointlessly vivid description of the sounds horses make early in the morning when snow is on the ground.

      2) I predicted his untimely death. Deduced it from first principles actually, after reading The Path of Daggers. His obvious intent to milk that book series for every dollar he could through page inflation and lack of plot development, combined with the natural perversity of the universe, led me to the conclusion that said universe would have no choice but to claim him long before he could complete the series.

      Rothfuss has nothing on Jordan when it comes to being over wordy. If I remember correctly, over half of the book The path of Daggers was a description of some women walking from one side of a campsite to another.

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    5. Re:What impressed me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes you are absolutely spot on. Tolkien, LeGuin and possibly Herbert are the great world-builders, but LeGuin could create in a paragraph what took Tolkien a thousand pages.

    6. Re:What impressed me. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Rothfuss may be wordy at times

      And then some.

      but I forgive him any lack of economy. His prose is beautiful, at times lyrical, and linguistically decadent.

      I don't! I find his writing on the whole bland, banal and ludicrously wordy. And the dialogue! Hoooooo boy. That just goes on and on and roud and round and nowhere and ugh!

      God and don't get me started on Kvothe.

      There are one or two bits that are decently written but my god you have to wade through 1500 pages of junk to get at them.

      All IMO. Rothfuss seems popular. I don't get why, but clearly plenty of people do.

      I got part way through "The wise man's fear" and I'd rate it as somewhere around "50 shades of gray" in terms of quality.

      For the dark and shameful crown of needlessly wordy authors I would ask you redirect your accusing eyes to Robert Jordan, creator of the Wheel of Time series.

      So I've heard, though I gt about 1/4 of the way through the first book before I gave up.

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  8. Newly minted fan by OrangeTide · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I read Rocannon's World last November, the first I've read of Le Guin and was very impressed. Sorry to hear that she's passed away.

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    1. Re:Newly minted fan by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I thought Rocannon's World was one of her lesser novels, so I'd think you're in for even better.

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  9. Please clarify these 3 open questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Can you describe what it is about trolling and flamebait that gives you such a thrill?
    2. Is it erotic for you?
    3. Are you bored of shoving things up your own ass and wish for strangers to tell you where you can stick your opinion?

  10. See you in 2019 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll be in cryo-sleep.

  11. Three really great books. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not that much of fantasy fan, but Earthsea created a kind of longing that makes me reread it once a decade. I want to sail the Dragon reach and watch the dragon rise on the winds of morning.
    The Dispossessed was one enormously thoughtful polemic, changing your assumptions. One of the best utopian novels I've read, especially because its nuiance.
    And then there is The Left Hand of Darkness. This book was really too full of ideas for one book. It has thought-provoking insights into human nature the Le Guin revisited several times in later books with greater depth, but the hidden love-story was the real key, challenging your assumptions on male and female identity. A real classic.

    Le Guin was a good example of writer using fantasy to hold up a mirror on the real world. Sometimes she was too polemical (The word for world is forest) but mostly I found her thought provoking. We need more like her.

    1. Re:Three really great books. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Always coming home" is another great book. It deepens on re-reading.

  12. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm inclined to agree.

  13. She wrote so beautifully. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've read a lot of fantasy and sci-fi authors, and I considered Le Guin up there with the very best. Her ability to use the English language was second to no one. Her writing possessed a hauntingly beautiful quality to it, managing to be both delicate and momentous at once.

    I always thought that her Earthsea series was a strong candidate for the best fantasy work of all time. It's almost the opposite of Lord of the Rings, but absolutely no less towering. LotR is big, epic, a clash of good and evil. Earthsea is intimate, personal, nuanced, more about the ramifications of a single mistake. It's a brilliant piece of writing and exploration of themes of power, responsibility, and what it takes to right mistakes made through lack of wisdom.

    Very sad to see Le Guin go :(. Even in her later years, well into her 80's, she was active and writing new material.

    She stands alongside the titans of the 1940's-70's generation of sci-fi and fantasy authors that included Clarke, Niven, and Tolkien, and was one of the last of the greats to go.

    JK Rowling? Sorry, but you are so far from Le Guin's level that you aren't worthy of proofreading her work.

    1. Re:She wrote so beautifully. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ... JK Rowling? Sorry, but you are so far from Le Guin's level that you aren't worthy of proofreading her work.

      Rowling wrote a story about an 11 year-old going to school: Hardly an opportunity for insight and revolution. It was a story about the weak and unpopular being brave and righteous: An action-hero with compassion; which is why it got the attention it did.

      Bitch about Stephanie Meyers, her story about a school-girl driven more by her need for love than her need for individuality, worked only because everyone got a happy ending.

    2. Re:She wrote so beautifully. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As an aside: For other Good Use of the English Language see Fritz Leiber.

    3. Re:She wrote so beautifully. by DarthVain · · Score: 2

      Read The Left Hand of Darkness, The Disspossed, and the Earthsea series, in that order. All have places on my shelf.

      She was always my example when anyone starting going on about there being no great female science fiction authors.

      I also recall (but can't find) several op ed pieces she did that were just awesome. I can't remember if it was about politics, the whole Hugo mess, or about female authors (or lack thereof) within the industry (or all three). If anyone remembers, I'd gladly read them again.

      Stuff like Rowling is great, but it just isn't in the same category. Just the other day there was a Final Jeopardy category about "Literary Brothers". We have a bit of a game where we try and guess the answer before they actually say what it is (actually right occasionally). I was drawing a bit of a blank so I just said Cameron and Raistlin Majere which is from Dragonlance novels back in the day by Margret Wise and Tracy Hickman. However I knew it wasn't going to be correct, as those sorts of novels would never really be considered "literary". While I enjoyed them a lot when I was younger and though they were great, they simply are not on the same level as the literary greats like Ursula...

      One last thing to note. If you've ever looked at the Top X science fiction lists out there, you'll see a couple of things. Most of the authors listed might have one book of their work that makes the list. However there are a select very few that have more than one. I don't think I've seen a list that didn't have both Left Hand of Darkness and The Dispossed as listed as the top science fiction novels of all time.

    4. Re:She wrote so beautifully. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Her ability to use the English language was second to no one.
      Jack Vance would have liked a word with you. That man could write a phonebook and it would still be compelling to read.

      Still, LeGuin was certainly one of the great writers. She's gone now but the stories remain. Time to read.

    5. Re:She wrote so beautifully. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Rowling's post-Potter stuff is uneven. Casual Vacancy was well-written, but the only sympathetic character was the foul-mouthed semi-literate slut from the wrong part of town, and she was obviously being stomped into the ground. She wrote at least one detective novel that was quite good except for one glaring logical hole.

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  14. Always Coming Home (1985) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I loved Always Coming Home. For some reason, when the popular press has reported on Mrs. Le Guin, this book is never (or almost never) mentioned.
    Recommended.

    1. Re:Always Coming Home (1985) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hoka Hey, with your black adobe house... :-)

  15. Outside fantasy and SF, too! by whit3 · · Score: 2
    Having enjoyed her most mainstream works, I was delighted to pick up Orsinian Tales, and found a wealth of... well, Russian short stories. She was able to use elliptic descriptions, suggestive imagery, and that staple of 20th century Soviet-era writing, the pun (you'd need to have a Russian dictionary handy to know it, though).

    Poetry, song, gesture are ways to load extra impact into language, and Ursula leGuin shows us all the others.

  16. That's not a sentence. THIS is a sentence. by kale77in · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In the channels of light, out of the doorway of the sky, the dragon flew, fire coiling from its mailed body.

    I may have a word or two wrong, but from memory, this was the pivotal line in Tehanu, book #4 in Earthsea. Magnificent writing.

  17. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't worry. There are a lot of people that are just as stupid as you, so you don't have to feel too embarrassed to admit that you agree.

  18. Re: Hippy faggot shit by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

    Clueless twat who has never read one of her books. Probably never read a book.

  19. Hmm by Tenebrousedge · · Score: 1

    So you're like a bad parody of yourself, right?

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  20. Ursula K. Le Guin, the immensely popular author by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By which standards ?
    Never heard of her

  21. The left hand of darkness by Laxator2 · · Score: 2

    My very favorite SF book, up there with "Dune".
    It also contains one of the best quotes I ever read:

    "One alien is a curiosity, two are an invasion."

    Great writer, rest in peace.

    1. Re:The left hand of darkness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "One alien is a curiosity, two are an invasion."
      Try saying that about immigrants and see where that gets you.

  22. The Lathe of Heaven by ggendel · · Score: 1

    Absolutely captivated me. From then on I was a fan. She will be missed.

    1. Re:The Lathe of Heaven by jockeys · · Score: 1

      ditto. The part where Orr asks Haber (and I'll get the quote wrong) "what if everyone can do this? what if reality is constantly being pulled out from under us?" was the single greatest mindfuck I've ever had. Pure greatness.

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  23. She left behind a beautiful legacy by mikeabbott420 · · Score: 1

    One of the all time greats

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  24. Re: Ursula K. Le Guin, the immensely popular autho by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Why are we sending soldiers to a country Iâ(TM)ve never heard of?â Because your ignorance of the Universe does not in any way alter the state of it.

  25. Re:So? by mukinrestak · · Score: 2

    I really don't see how you jump from "I don't enjoy this" to "this shouldn't be allowed to exist"

  26. Ged [Re:Very sad] by XXongo · · Score: 1

    I remember that Ged was explicitly described as brown-skinned in the second book, The Tombs of Atuan. Was his skin color given in A Wizard of Earthsea? I can't recall it being mentioned at all one way or another.

    1. Re: Ged [Re:Very sad] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ged was a wizard from Gont, a land of brown skinned people. He had to deal with subtle racism and classism when he made it to Roke.

    2. Re:Ged [Re:Very sad] by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      I'd have to double-check to be certain, but I seem to remember him being described that way in the first book, when he was first introduced (which would be the logical place to do so).

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    3. Re:Ged [Re:Very sad] by XXongo · · Score: 1

      I remember that Ged was explicitly described as brown-skinned in the second book, The Tombs of Atuan. Was his skin color given in A Wizard of Earthsea? I can't recall it being mentioned at all one way or another.

      I'd have to double-check to be certain, but I seem to remember him being described that way in the first book, when he was first introduced (which would be the logical place to do so).

      Hmm. I checked the opening, and there is very little description of Ged. This is the only description of him: "He grew wild, a thriving weed, a tall, quick boy, loud and proud and full of temper."

      https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4704490

    4. Re:Ged [Re:Very sad] by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      From the first book:

      [Vetch] had the accent of the East Reach, and was very dark of skin, not red-brown like Ged and Jasper and most folks of the Archipelago, but black-brown.

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      "It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
  27. Not Hippy faggot shit by XXongo · · Score: 2

    The conflicts they face are typically rooted in a clash of cultures and resolved more by conciliation and self-sacrifice than by swordplay or space battles.

    Sound's boring. Sure all them SJWs love it through.

    The interesting thing is that although she (especially later in her life) espoused Social Justice causes, her actual books were not one-sided polemics, but books about people doing their best in times of crisis.

    The part about her work being "rooted in a clash of cultures" is grounded in the fact that her father was a well-respected anthropologist-- conflicting cultures was a subject she actually knew, and as a result she avoided the boring boring stereotypes of idealizing other cultures-- there aren't any perfect societies in her work. I will also note that--very unusual for science fiction writers--she wrote about scientists very well. (You'd think science fiction writers would write about scientists, but for the most part they don't. They write about the heroic engineer a lot, but people doing actual science is strangely absent in science fiction, and usually stereotyped when it does happen. With a few noteworthy exceptions, of course.)

  28. Agree 100% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Couldn't agree more.

    I met her once in Vancouver back on '05. She was kind, thoughtful, and encouraging of aspiring authors. A wonderful person who will be missed, and who wrote some of the finest sci-fi around.

  29. A true loss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank you Ms. LeGuin for some of the most thought provoking material ever written. Not to mention my all time favorite short piece, "Another Story, or a Fisherman of the Inland Sea".

    Unlikely we will see a voice like hers ever again.

  30. Re:What a waste. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You still can be, and with likely the exact same degree of expected success!

  31. Re:Good, she was a big Trump supporter. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We don't need anymore of them!!!!!

    I know you're just trolling, but that's a very hateful thing to say.

  32. Re:So in other words... by vizbones · · Score: 0

    ...the "males" were triggered Millennial cuck pussies looking for their safe space.

    I don't recall her writing about you...