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Amateur Astronomer Discovers Long-Dead NASA Satellite Has Come Back To Life (behindtheblack.com)

schwit1 shares a report from Behind The Black: In his hunt to locate Zuma, an amateur astronomer has discovered that a long-dead NASA satellite, designed to study the magnetosphere, has come back to life. IMAGE went dead in 2005, and though NASA thought it might come back to life after experiencing a total eclipse in 2007 that would force a reboot, no evidence of life was seen then. It now appears that the satellite came to life sometime between then and 2018, and was chattering away at Earth waiting for a response. NASA is now looking at what it must do to take control of the spacecraft and resume science operations. Zuma is the secret U.S. government payload that was launched by SpaceX earlier this month and reportedly lost. As for why Scott Tilley -- the amateur radio astronomer -- decided to have a look for the present of secret military satellites, Ars Technica reports that he apparently does this semi-regularly as a hobby and, in this case, was inspired by the Zuma satellite.

62 comments

  1. first stop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pots frist.

    It's a neato satellite, check out what it does. VLF radio is relatively unexplored. And the aurora pics are magnificent!!

  2. Interesting find by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is a very interesting find.

    Apparently NASA will try to contact the satellite using the Deep Space Network, and assess it's condition.

    Right now JPL is in the process of digging up the 13-year old "owner's manual" :-)

    1. Re: Interesting find by MakerDusk · · Score: 1

      Thanks for taking the time to post the additional info and link! Definitely the most informative comment on this thread.

    2. Re:Interesting find by atherophage · · Score: 1

      Likely someone at JPL uploaded all mission data to Google drive; now they can't find it because no one remembers what they named the file.

    3. Re:Interesting find by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The name of the amateur astronomer is Dr. Victor Frankenstein.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xos2MnVxe-c

    4. Re:Interesting find by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Its condition."
      It's = "it is"

  3. Re:Night and day by wolfheart111 · · Score: 1

    This guy aint gonna get any sleep for a bit...

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  4. Imagine the thrill by wolfheart111 · · Score: 1

    Finding that would be like a shot of Oxi... ohhh the endorphins :P

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    1. Re: Imagine the thrill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oxy? Pshhh, nothing like plunging that mud into your veins. Oxy sucks, get pure dope and really go for a ride. Chase that dragon.

    2. Re: Imagine the thrill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Compassdetox.com

  5. So Zuma has been found... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    masquerading as a long dead NASA satellite.

    1. Re: So Zuma has been found... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty much.

  6. Okay, I'm tired. I need sleep. by mark-t · · Score: 4, Funny

    I totally misread the headline and thought WTF?

    I first read the headline as: Amateur astronomer discovered long dead by NASA satellite brought back to life.

  7. Interesting stealth by RhettLivingston · · Score: 3, Funny

    So, you "lose" your stealth satellite and then suddenly find one that has been dead for over a decade...

    It would likely cost very little more to add the functions of an old satellite to your new stealth satellite's capabilities and duplicate its signals. The real data could be getting sent by laser or other less detectable means. Just saying.

    1. Re: Interesting stealth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that Zuma was launched into a completely different orbit.
      At least try to falsify your conspiracy theories before posting them.

    2. Re:Interesting stealth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The one they found isn't "stealth" if that's what's confusing you... the one they "lost" was. Detecting satellites that aren't pinging is ~impossible for now.

      "It would likely cost very little more to add the functions of an old satellite to your new stealth satellite's capabilities and duplicate its signals" - oh, ok, you're crazy, I see. That's false in every respect, none the least of which is orbit.

    3. Re:Interesting stealth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rhett hasn't posted again since this message. Guys, I think they got him.

    4. Re:Interesting stealth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We can only hope so.

    5. Re: Interesting stealth by c6gunner · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The defining characteristic of conspiracy theorists is that they never try to falsify their own ideas.

    6. Re: Interesting stealth by Chrisq · · Score: 1

      That's what the lizard people always say

    7. Re:Interesting stealth by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The real data could be getting sent by laser or other less detectable means. Just saying.

      The tech to do that reliably was only recently invented, in the last ten years in fact IIRC. So probably not. Just saying.

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    8. Re: Interesting stealth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is completely incorrect. We studied laser linking systems in the early 90s. They were around earlier than that.

    9. Re: Interesting stealth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...Except that we were told Zuma was launched into a completely different orbit...

      Fixed that for the conspiracy folks.

    10. Re: Interesting stealth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you are correct ... 2 + 2 = 4 ... why falsify ?

    11. Re: Interesting stealth by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      If you don't at least try to falsify it you can't possibly know that you're right.

    12. Re: Interesting stealth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's just a theory. Everything is fine as long as everyone understands that

  8. The reason things are kept secret is, *always* ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... that you will not like what you’d hear.

    That is either because you want to oppress the bearer of the secret,
    or because he wants to harm you.

    Which might both be true at the same time, depending on the perspective.

    I'd say it's pretty clear cut in everything related to spying though.

    Because an enemy is just an ally you failed to win over.

    Which might be, that he's not only a dick to you, but that you're just as much a dick to him, making you exactly the same. (Yep, including the "But my side is more righteous! And he did it first!” arguments. They all believe that.)
    (Or it might be that they're mentally ill... like religious or following any -ism. But so might you. Because the problem with that state is, that one can't tell from the inside.)

    In the end ... I'm just saying: It's a dick move.

  9. Re:Night and day by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

    Special agent Jack Bauer will probably want to ask him is frequently asked questions of "WHO ARE YOU WORKING FOR!?" and "WHERE ARE THE WMDS!?"

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  10. Re:Okay, I'm tired. I need sleep. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Speed reading side effect. Scrambling the sequence of words and making you read the first word of the sentence again.

  11. Amateur Astronomer? by fred911 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Before all the beards came of age we just called them Ham Radio Operators. They're always raising the level. Glad to see the name promotion and the hobby once again verifying how well spent the frequencies protected and allocated to the service are.

    "Scott Tilley VE7TIL / VA7LF discovered a signal from the IMAGE satellite that NASA lost contact with in 2005"

    http://www.southgatearc.org/ne...

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    1. Re:Amateur Astronomer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      He could very well be both. Many are. Generally amateur astronomers look at the night sky, focused on things beyond the Earth's atmosphere. We generally look in visible light. I did however, build a 12' satellite dish to make a radio map of the milky way (Hydrogen). I would call that amateur radio astronomy.

      Some amateurs track satellites and compute their orbits in an attempt to identify them. To listen to their transmissions would require the skills of a HAM.

      So, most HAM operators do not posses the skills to track and identify satellites. Most amateur astronomers wouldn't know what to do with a radio transmission from a satellite.

      I think the two nicely overlap here.

    2. Re: Amateur Astronomer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      unfortunately, sarcasm does not transmit over internet. I refuse to belive that you are this retarded or such a flaming troll.

    3. Re: Amateur Astronomer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might be surprised. Working satellites is very, very popular. Itâ(TM)s one of the only ways that Technician licensees can make contacts over significant distances as theyâ(TM)re mostly limited to VHF/UHF. A few hundred bucks in gear, and you can use the ISS as a repeater. Once you get good at it (or download the iPhone app), tracking satellites is really pretty easy. And quite a lot of fun.

    4. Re:Amateur Astronomer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You tin foil hat is upside down, i think

    5. Re:Amateur Astronomer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We've been playing with the birds since the early 60's (OSCAR). We've been running wormholes and providing network (basically SMTP) access to the various space stations for years. MIR and ISS regularly used nodes in the 145mgz range to drop their email, dependant upon what part of the blue ball they were over. We've been bouncing RF off of the moon to await QSL's from whoever may have copied the signal. Data, telemetry, CW or voice if it's there we'll acquire it, decipher it or improve it.

      So basically HAM's have always been playing around with spectrum, acquiring all, utilizing where allocated.

      73

       

  12. TFS by sysrammer · · Score: 1

    In the sentence "decided to have a look for the present of secret military satellites", Ed should prolly change "present" to "presence".

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    1. Re:TFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they had the presents of mind to notice the mistake!

  13. Any slashdot space pirates? by MakerDusk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We now know its communications specs http://pluto.space.swri.edu/IM... and as it was made in the year 2000... NASA has most likely already made the communications protocols, if not the software itself, available to the public. NASA also doesn't have a timetable on reaquiring it, its orbit telemetry was linked in a comment, and this community probably has a few people who can slap an arduino based orbital tracking antenna together... but no one here would want a global observatory satillite or offworld server, right?

    1. Re:Any slashdot space pirates? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can it mine bitcoins?

  14. Re:Okay, I'm tired. I need sleep. by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think we just discovered the oldest human fossil outside Africa.

  15. NASA has confirmed that IMAGE is alive by Depili · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.satobs.org/seesat/J... Engineers at GSFC have acquired the suspect S-band source using the 4m CTA (Compatibility Test Antenna) here at GSFC (.jpg attached and no I’m not in the picture). They acquired the signal while the target was on ascent at about 2RE. Center frequency (CF) was between 2272.478 and 2273.418. The difference between IMAGE documented CF of 2272.5Mhz can be attributed to expected Doppler. Subcarriers are visible as well 1.7Mhz from CF as expected. The signal strength was oscillating. Plots will be forthcoming. The oscillation is not unexpected given IMAGE’s loss of spin balance. All indications so far suggest that this is, in fact, IMAGE. Richard J. Burley

    1. Re:NASA has confirmed that IMAGE is alive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cool,
      They perhaps should automate listening to all LOST sats if its 100% automated.
      I bet the log file of connection lost for 10 years is like.... huge! (j/k)
      IMAGE replies.... about time you mother fuckers, i was so lonely for an update, now hurry up, im spinning out!

    2. Re:NASA has confirmed that IMAGE is alive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For those interested, here's the current record of Observations, including the NASA confirmation:
      http://www.satobs.org/seesat/Jan-2018/index.html

      For those not interested, it was surmised that the pooch was screwed due to an unrecoverable SEU*, that could only be reset if the Bus Voltages dropped low enough. There was speculation that an Eclipse should do it, the Solar Panels couldn't keep up. That appears to be exactly what happened, IMAGE rebooted and woke up.
      However the Mission had already been mostly completed, and better Satellites have since flown, so IMAGE was back-burner for Dish Time.

      *SEU- Single Event Upset. A "Cosmic Ray" flips a bit. This is mostly anticipated; Chips are Radiation Hardened, and Software written to work around them. Forensics later determined that a SEU in a particular Chip in IMAGE could cause a ghost large power draw (>100A), which could put Systems in a dormant state. However, Ground Commands to Reboot would then be ignored. Thus, the hope that a Solar Eclipse at the right time could cause an automatic Reboot, and this appears to have happened.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAGE

      Whether this was the result of the most recent Eclipse is still to be determined.

  16. he was thinking out loud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    jeez man, he was thinking out loud, does he have to preverify check every thought before posting on here?
    Then most posts would be dead boring, like this...

    Had a thought, but its probly wrong... so I will abort my comment and just say...... :thumbsup:

    1. Re:he was thinking out loud by nintendoeats · · Score: 1

      The internet would be a better place if people thought about things before they posted them, yes.

  17. the episode from the life by mapkinase · · Score: 1

    of this amateur astronomer made me wonder what am I doing with my life?

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    1. Re:the episode from the life by onepoint · · Score: 1

      Good Morning / afternoon / evening

      It's a hobby for those that are into it, some people are real good.
      this is a write-up back from 2006 that is still valid today.

      https://www.wired.com/2006/02/...

      while it's over my head the skills required
      it's still a ton of fun looking at satellites and such
      http://www.thehumanitystar.com... that's the disco ball
      satellite that went up a few days ago and in 41 days it
      will be over my house. I hope to see it with my eyes
      and then binoculars.

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  18. Zzzzzz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://youtu.be/2UZejartABA?t=76

  19. Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess he's "suicidal" now. But, if an amateur astronomer can find a NASA satellite this easily (and identify it?), if he does find Zuma, I want to know how he would know it in the first place.

    1. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I wanted to place a bird in the constellation that was launched by a private company (and I didn't want anyone to know about it's existence) it would surely be convenient to have a delivery failure. Wouldn't it?

  20. Oh Fuck everybody hide by NotSoHeavyD3 · · Score: 1

    It's got to be V'Ger

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  21. it's not lost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it's a stealth one, it just decided it wasn't doing it's job correctly if anyone could spot it.

  22. This explains it by camg188 · · Score: 2

    come back to life after experiencing a total eclipse in 2007 that would force a reboot...

    This explains what happened to me after the eclipse last summer.

  23. Re:Okay, I'm tired. I need sleep. by Dorianny · · Score: 2

    It is not a "fossil" if its still alive Well perhaps with the noticeable exception of my great aunt

  24. Re: The reason things are kept secret is, *always* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck you Chink. YOU are the problem. IE: Nobody pisses in my streets but its a national pastime for you.

  25. Better link for those interested in TFA by xyankee · · Score: 1

    Not sure why "Has come back to life" links to a 1 paragraph blog post, on a page begging for donations no less, than then links to the actual story: https://skyriddles.wordpress.c...