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'Troll' Loses Cloudflare Lawsuit, Has Weaponized Patent Invalidated (arstechnica.com)

A federal judge in San Francisco has unequivocally ruled against a non-practicing entity that had sued Cloudflare for patent infringement. From a report: The judicial order effectively ends the case that Blackbird -- which Cloudflare had dubbed a "patent troll" -- had brought against the well-known security firm and content delivery network. "Abstract ideas are not patentable," US District Judge Vincent Chhabria wrote in a Monday order. The case revolved around US Patent No. 6,453,335, which describes providing a "third party data channel" online. When the case was filed in May 2017, the invention claims it can incorporate third-party data into an existing Internet connection "in a convenient and flexible way."

49 comments

  1. Hacking by Calydor · · Score: 1

    That description sounds more like hacking than a beneficial tool.

    That or serving ads at will.

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    1. Re:Hacking by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      It sounds like a filtering proxy server. DansGuardian, Privoxy, etc. monitor a connection and modify the contents.

    2. Re: Hacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hacking is beneficial. Cracking is often not.

    3. Re: Hacking by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Sorry, that battle was lost decades ago, and I doubt there's anyway to reverse it. The only way I can imagine is Hollywood don't a blockbuster film with an idealized hacker as the hero. And that probably wouldn't work.

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    4. Re: Hacking by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Hackers, Firewall, The Net, Startup ... Need I cite more? And no, that battle isn't lost here. Well it is, but those who claim hacker is the correct term for crackers are the losers.

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    5. Re: Hacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you aren't a hacker then you can't crack.
      Probably has something to do with the mixup.

    6. Re: Hacking by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Not true. See also "Script Kiddies". The confusion comes from a reporter (Steven Levy IIRC) who was told that a hacker broke into systems and he falsely asserted that hackers are people that break into computers. It is similar to if doctoring was something almost nobody understood. "Jack is the doctor who has been killing prostitutes". Next day in the paper: "Doctors are people who kill prostitutes".

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    7. Re: Hacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But who made the scripts? Not the kiddies. They were made by actual hackers. Just like cracks. It's the same skill set.

    8. Re: Hacking by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      And yet people who can't hack can crack, just as people who can't cook can eat steak.

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  2. Hooray by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This decision was brought to you in part by the Supreme Court ruling against the logic that anything on the internet that's accessible in the Eastern District of Texas could be filed there.

    1. Re:Hooray by MadCat221 · · Score: 1

      What case is this?

    2. Re: Hooray by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm certain that there was a ruling limiting jurisdiction shopping relatively recently.

  3. Oh please please please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Abstract ideas are not patentable"

    Oh, please let this be a strong precedent in nullifying crappy patents.

    SO many patents are "a system and methodology for doing something kinda like this, which is an analog for a real world scenario we have, but with a computer and a network".

    I would love to know how many patents would be vacated under this, because a patent should not encompass "doing something we do every day but with a computer".

    1. Re:Oh please please please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I first invented the methodology of connecting metal cylindrical communication nodes with a semi-tensioned fiber, thereby providing the very first internet. http://p1start.typepad.com/.a/...

    2. Re:Oh please please please by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2

      Wouldn't that be "obvious"? I have a socket wrench and an impact wrench, both of which can remove lug nuts. Now I've patented a method of removing lug nuts from a car's wheel, but using an impact wrench.

      A method of achieving a certain outcome with a computer is novel if the usual way of achieving that outcome involved a different process. For example: if you were to mix paints, you would get colors. On a computer, you ... can't do that. Somebody at some point worked out an algorithm for taking two colors and mixing them via mathematical computations not used when mixing physical paints, generating similar results--this would be a new process, and patentable.

      When you walk into a physical store, you make a selection of products, take those products to a check-out, and then pay for them. A patent on an e-commerce store which allows a user to select products and then pay for them all in a single batch is analogous to this process. There's nothing actually special about doing this--it's all basic programming, tracking data objects and keeping state--and it attempts to allow the real-world task of "shopping" but on a computer. Nothing here is novel or interesting; it's all obvious, done in the most-obvious way. That's not patentable.

      One-click was an odd patent. When I go to a vending machine, I put in money and buy one product in one go. I have to make another transaction to buy another product; I can't "fill a cart" and make one purchase. That looks like one-click. In the context of business, this was non-obvious (nobody did this during the years and years of many e-commerce stores); on the other hand, what's the invention here? We don't allow patenting of the way you do business, and One-Click doesn't create some kind of new tool or process aside from allowing users to instant-buy one thing without emptying their cart.

    3. Re:Oh please please please by sinij · · Score: 3, Funny

      To Whom It May Concern,

      Cease and deists, your actions are in violation of patent #23942, "Sensible Correspondence on the computer", that my firm owns. The royalties are 1 MILLION DOLLARS for each post you critical of patent system you make.

      Sincerely Yours,
      Patent Trolls

    4. Re:Oh please please please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We may be lawyers, but we own the IP -- therefore we know how to best use it by virtue of saying we do backed by the law (by exploiting loopholes in the imprecision of language).

      This entire travesty is merely the proverbial canary of the postmodernist idea of "If I identify as it, I am it and if you don't like it, I'll sic the government on you to make you comply!" mentality. Woe to humanity when in the near future, the college-educated postmodernist mindset becomes ubiquitous and these snowflakes move into positions of authority.

    5. Re:Oh please please please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The precedent is that it is effectively impossible to invalidate a patent in court on the grounds that it is obvious. Similarly, the patent office applies no test for obviousness. The only thing the patent office checks for is whether a patent for the same thing already exists, and even then they often issue patents on things that were already patented. Also, we do allow business method patents: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_method_patent.

    6. Re:Oh please please please by sconeu · · Score: 4, Funny

      Dear "Patent Trolls",

      We have determined that your claim is invalid, due to your failure to raise your pinkie to your mouth when requesting "1 MILLION DOLLARS".

      Sincerely,

      Dewey, Cheatham, and Howe, Attorneys at Law

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    7. Re:Oh please please please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1 for the Car Talk reference.

    8. Re:Oh please please please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What the absolute fuck are you talking about? The Patent and Copyright Clause is defined in the main body of the US Constitution. Our Founding Fathers are now classified as postmodernist snowflakes?

      Jesus... that's got to be the dumbest fucking thing I've read all week.

    9. Re:Oh please please please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    10. Re:Oh please please please by HiThere · · Score: 1

      What the constitution defined, and what the patent office is, have very little relation to each other.

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    11. Re:Oh please please please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I miss the days when a patent actually explained how it actually did the thing rather than just claim that it was a process for doing a thing.

    12. Re:Oh please please please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was under the impression that a patent was
              "A Device/software Achieving THIS result in this very SPECIFIC way"
      not
              "Some vague idea that achieving this result is possible"

      No?

    13. Re:Oh please please please by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      In the context of business, this was non-obvious (nobody did this during the years and years of many e-commerce stores)

      But that's the thing, that's not the case at all.

      The one-click patent did have prior art in e-commerce, but it just took time and effort to uncover, prove, and file the paperwork (including paying the $2,520.00 filing fee!).

    14. Re:Oh please please please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jumping to fallacious conclusions without thinking, using what you FEEL vs what I DID say. Add a little outrage for effect. Thanks for making my point!

      Reminds me of the logical fallacy of:
      I like Wagner
      Hitler likes Wagner
      Therefore I like Hitler!

    15. Re:Oh please please please by izzo+nizzo · · Score: 1

      This feels like the day we've been waiting for.

    16. Re:Oh please please please by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Poor example, but you get the point. One-Click was novel and non-obvious (ignoring the prior art), but was it an invention? If, in a world where you went to a bakery and bought bread, a baker partnered with a milk carrier in a small town to use the excess space on his cart so as to deliver bread, would that be patentable? "Invention: using a milk cart to also deliver bread!"

      If you invent a method for producing a result--a method for computing protein folding, for modeling pigment mixing, or whatever, something people have wanted to do "on a computer" for a long time but could never figure out how--that's an invention. It's annoying that MP3 and H.265 got patents, but those patents aren't for a file format or something trivially-obvious; we only care about H.265's patents because the invention in a method for improving compression at a given quality level, and we don't know how to achieve that by another method, and have wanted to achieve that for decades (and want to achieve better, and are still searching for new methods by which to do so).

    17. Re:Oh please please please by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Cease and deists

      And what does one's believe about ${DEITY} have to do with it anyways?

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  4. What! Why this sudden attack of sanity! by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1
    To what do we owe this sudden attack of sanity on our courts? Has God finally opened His eyes?

    The process, take any existing patent, add "But on the internet" to the description and file. That used to work so well.

    Internet itself was an abstract entity to most judges, so they did not even understand how trivial these ideas were before. Finally once they learned to post selfies on the net and log in to see the pictures of their grandkids, they seem to see these stupid patents under different light. May be.

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    1. Re:What! Why this sudden attack of sanity! by Xtifr · · Score: 1

      To what do we owe this sudden attack of sanity on our courts?

      A couple of things. Most directly, probably, Alice v CLS Bank. Though In Re Bilski and Mayo v Prometheus were pretty helpful too.

  5. USPTO should be punished by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Insightful

    USPTO keeps validating these bullshit patents because their system rewards passing patents but never punishes passing bad patents. The result is that just about anything can be patented and is expensive to fight in court. If you're lucky, you will win and by win I mean you will have spent millions of dollars fighting a bad patent and get nothing in return.

    This is a serious problem.

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    1. Re:USPTO should be punished by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Should the USPTO really be punished or should the punishment befall the ones that set them up to work that way?

    2. Re:USPTO should be punished by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's true, and the only way to fight it is to file dozens of stupid defensive patents yourself. Of course, defensive patents don't work when a troll has no business.

    3. Re:USPTO should be punished by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Interesting
      This is not true.

      Our company has filed two patents for my work. Very difficult paper work. The patent examiners are actually good. When the lawyers went through the work and rewrote it in legalese it took me weeks to understand all the import of what the application says. But the examiners got it, got to the crux of the matter and raised valid and relevant objections. They cited proper prior art. I was actually impressed by the quality of the patent examiners. After all, Albert Einstein started out as patent examiner, just saying.

      We were able to explain the differences, and what was the invention and what was prior art. They made us reduce some of the expansive language added by our lawyers. So they are not all bad.

      It makes me suspect if these companies game the system by filing multiple similar patents, dropping the ones that get assigned to competent examiners and pursuing the ones assigned to the weak ones.

      It is like terrorism. The terrorists have to succeed only once. The law enforcement has to succeed every time.

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    4. Re:USPTO should be punished by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is the patent number for what you have described>

    5. Re:USPTO should be punished by HiThere · · Score: 1

      The USPTO shouldn't be punish, it should be abolished, and all it's prior decisions invalidated.

      Then, perhaps, it might be advisable to start a new patent office based on the law that set up the first US one. With STRICT limitations on the length of patent validity related to the legitimate up-front costs of development, a 5 year renewal, arbitrarily renewable for additional 5 year terms, but the cost of each renewal the square of the cost of prior one measured in cents, and a first renewal fee of less than a dollar forbidden.

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    6. Re:USPTO should be punished by Ogive17 · · Score: 2

      This is a serious problem.

      Not for the people who write, file, and defend the patents.

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    7. Re:USPTO should be punished by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

      Yeah, look it up. It is filed under my name. 140Mandak262Jamuna

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  6. Summary Service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    For those too lazy to read the article and patent, it's a patent on intercepting traffic with a device (e.g. proxy) and altering the data based on third party settings, like changing a 404 page to an ad.

    It was tossed out because it was broad enough to basically say "intercept stuff and change it."

  7. And not it's time to sue the PTO as well by Sebby · · Score: 2

    Specifically, the "examiner(s)" that ultimately approved the "patent", causing waste of taxpayer money in not only the worthless approval process, but also in the resulting pointless court case (though I guess you could argue the case has the merit of proving the PTO is run by a bunch of rubber-stamping monkeys).

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    1. Re:And not it's time to sue the PTO as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He would have wasted a lot more money if he were to scrutinize every one of the billions of applications. This is a system-level error.

    2. Re:And not it's time to sue the PTO as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How can it be a waste if the examiner actually does his job??

  8. I drove and didn't have a deadly crash! by raymorris · · Score: 1

    The news covers spectacular car crashes. They don't cover the millions of car trips that go well every day.

    About once a month, Slashdot covers another patent application that sounds rather questionable, based on the summary posted to Slashdot. Maybe half of those ARE actually bad patent applications, so several per year. There are half a million patent applications, and 250,000 patents issued, every year that don't make an interesting article, because they are bog-standard patents, with everything good and proper.

    The ruling in this case is exactly what we'd expect. Like "arriving safely at your destination", it's the normal course of things. The patents and applications that make the news are the highly unusual ones - that's why they're news.

    1. Re:I drove and didn't have a deadly crash! by HiThere · · Score: 1

      And, as per your analysis, a patent case coming to a decision that seems reasonable is newsworthy. At least one involving a technical matter.

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    2. Re:I drove and didn't have a deadly crash! by ewibble · · Score: 1

      250,000 patents issued, every year

      The problem lies right there, 250,000 patent every year, how often do you hear about a revolutionary idea, that would be newsworthy not even once a year, but let say once a year.

      That means 249,999 patents are for minor improvements, which every business should be checking so as not to violate anybodies patents and have to implement work arounds if they don't want to pay a licensing fee. I would not be surprised if most patents where just violated by accident. In this system the cost of the system is far higher than the benefit it affords.

      A better solution would be scrap patents, if you want to keep it secret do so. If someone can copy it then your idea wasn't that innovative in the first place, you know what capitalists always want, less government intervention.

  9. Ah c'mon, you know better. Don't you? by raymorris · · Score: 1

    > if you want to keep it secret do so.

    So your suggestion is that products should be made impossible to open, no matter what tools a competitor uses, so that can't see how it works? Some kind of self-destruct mechanism that sets off burning metal if the case is opened?

    > If someone can copy it then your idea wasn't that innovative in the first place

    You do realize that "a new idea" and "hard to copy" have nothing whatsoever to do with each other, right? For millennia people lifted water in buckets. They tried to find easier ways. They all thought Archimedes screw was an amazing new idea, though once you see how it works it's pretty simple. Probably millions of hours were spent by scribes copying books. For a thousand years nobody thought of the printing press, until someone done. It was MAJOR, world-changing innovation, which is easy to copy once you've seen one.