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Tickbox Must Remove Pirate Streaming Add-ons From Sold Devices (torrentfreak.com)

TickBox TV, the company behind a Kodi-powered streaming device, must release a new software updater that will remove copyright-infringing addons from previously shipped devices. A California federal court issued an updated injunction in the lawsuit that was filed by several major Hollywood studios, Amazon, and Netflix, which will stay in place while both parties fight out their legal battle. TorrentFreak reports: Last year, the Alliance for Creativity and Entertainment (ACE), an anti-piracy partnership between Hollywood studios, Netflix, Amazon, and more than two dozen other companies, filed a lawsuit against the Georgia-based company Tickbox TV, which sells Kodi-powered set-top boxes that stream a variety of popular media. ACE sees these devices as nothing more than pirate tools so the coalition asked the court for an injunction to prevent Tickbox from facilitating copyright infringement, demanding that it removes all pirate add-ons from previously sold devices. Last month, a California federal court issued an initial injunction, ordering Tickbox to keep pirate addons out of its box and halt all piracy-inducing advertisements going forward. In addition, the court directed both parties to come up with a proper solution for devices that were already sold.

The new injunction prevents Tickbox from linking to any "build," "theme," "app," or "addon" that can be indirectly used to transmit copyright-infringing material. Web browsers such as Internet Explorer, Google Chrome, Safari, and Firefox are specifically excluded. In addition, Tickbox must also release a new software updater that will remove any infringing software from previously sold devices. All tiles that link to copyright-infringing software from the box's home screen also have to be stripped. Going forward, only tiles to the Google Play Store or to Kodi within the Google Play Store are allowed. In addition, the agreement also allows ACE to report newly discovered infringing apps or addons to Tickbox, which the company will then have to remove within 24-hours, weekends excluded.

70 comments

  1. Fair enough by m0hawk · · Score: 1

    Fair enough.

    I wonder how many people will just reinstall the removed addons? I'm sure there is somebody already writing up a how-to just for this court ruling.

    1. Re:Fair enough by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Everyone knows someone who knows how to do it.

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    2. Re: Fair enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah we all know your mom.

  2. GPL issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    First, this is incredibly draconian and a significant escalation of anti-piracy abuses. However, Kodi is GPL software, and would require modification to block some add-ons. The question is, will they release the modified source that blocks some types of add-ons?

    1. Re:GPL issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree, this is massive (and entirely new) overreach on the part of the court, and sets an awful new precedent: giving private companies the power to access devices owned by customers, and delete anything non-approved on those devices. It sounds like some judges aren't going to be hurting for re-election contributions for a long time.

    2. Re:GPL issues by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Unless they create an addon to police the addons

    3. Re: GPL issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Federal judges aren't elected morons.

    4. Re:GPL issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stupid judge. Or maybe the laws are written wrongly. Elements of makeup - woulda might could, but as shipped nothing.
      The apps do not infringe. The have the potential...but as is are not.
      It is like speaking because you may say something bad
      Or you might use a car to commit a speeding or traffic offence.
      Fine - most people will not censor their thoughts - even if a Judge thinks we should.

      How about publishing a book with 3D bar codes to re-input the missing codes.
      Constitution should maybe protect that.

    5. Re:GPL issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wish I owned one of these. I would be at my local courthouse getting an injunction against them damaging my equipment.

    6. Re: GPL issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Correct, they're appointed morons.

    7. Re:GPL issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would be at my local courthouse getting an injunction against them damaging my equipment.

      Your experience in attempting to file that lawsuit at the courthouse could possibly go about as smoothly as this gentleman's attempt to obtain a form. Bring friends with video cams.

      https://youtu.be/b2nKBVKvRSg

    8. Re:GPL issues by GuB-42 · · Score: 2

      They can release the source, they can even publish it as a reversible patch and it won't do much.
      First thing: Kodi is GPLv2, it doesn't prevent "Tivoization", so the code can be made useless by preventing custom firmwares.
      Second, whatever they do, if it requires ROM hacks in order to re-enable blocked features, it stops being a plug-and-play experience. It means they lose much of their appeal compared to say, a Raspberry Pi.

    9. Re: GPL issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The kodi add ons specifically stream movies from servers that are almost exclusively hosting popular copyrighted movies illegally, what the fuck about says to you it's only the "potential" to pirate?

    10. Re:GPL issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh good luck with that

      You show up at a courthouse admitting you're infringing content

      I hope they throw you under the jail

    11. Re:GPL issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you with the MPAA?

  3. prevents Tickbox from linking... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Blatant 1st Amendment violation!

    Please, let's just make the bittorrent protocol or something similar blend in better with regular traffic, so it's harder to block. We have to work around this one way or another.

  4. Easy workaround by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Just disconnect your box from the internet and you will not receive the updates.

    1. Re:Easy workaround by vux984 · · Score: 1

      your trolling right? or joking? :p you can't be serious.

    2. Re:Easy workaround by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      About as serious as most of the tards on this topic who think a company should have the right to sell software complete with links to infringing services. Sell it as a basic unit where someone has to do the legwork to add unauthorized streams? No problem. Sell it with unauthorized streams preinstalled? You have to be a fucking idiot to think you could get away with this, not to mention putting a spotlight on the unauthorized streams who want to stay below the radar.

  5. They actually advertised easy piracy as a feature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This people actually easy piracy as a feature of the device and included add-ons that are directly connected to websites with nothing but pirated videos.

    I'm surprised they are allowed to just remove the add-ons given that they actually did the legal damage to themselves.

  6. slippery slope.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is it *ALL* "infringing" software, or only what the products shipped with new (i.e. excludes user-installed addons, regardless of purpose)..... if it includes the latter, that opens the door for microsoft, google, apple, etc. to soon one day be forced to do the same to their desktop and mobile operating systems.

    1. Re:slippery slope.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but they were specifically excluded from the ruling. Because money.

  7. microsoft can't go app store only with anti trust by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    microsoft can't go app store only with anti trust issues and banning Linux is a big no go

  8. "Tick" box by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So bloodsuckers then?

  9. antitrust issues and region locking issues + ISP by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    antitrust issues and region locking issues + maybe even ISP issues. Say comcrap says no you can't have HBO GO you must use the Comcast app with an full video sub (min level locals or higher as we don't think the 1992 laws cover IP video) + Add on HBO.

  10. make an kkk vs nazi app and then go to court to ke by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 0

    NOT PRO KKK OR NAZI. BUT PRO 1ST Amendment

    make an kkk vs nazi app and then go to court to fight for your 1st Amendment rights.

    Skokie, Illinois tried to ban nazis and lost in court.

    NOT PRO KKK OR NAZI. BUT PRO 1ST Amendment

  11. Shows how stupid our courts are. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Almost humiliating to be an American.

    Just paint that graffiti over that will fix the graffiti problem in all cities.

  12. Re:How much money are they getting paid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry, that's not how court orders work.
     
    Here is a documentary about Hollywood's (portrayed as space aliens) conquest to destroy all pirates (portrayed as women).

  13. Consumer Protection Laws say: "What?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In addition, Tickbox must also release a new software updater that will remove any infringing software from previously sold devices.

    I think Sony would like to comment about what happens when you issue an update that removes functionality from an already sold device......

    Removing user installed software shouldn't be allowed by a court order. Sure, ban the company from distributing or promoting it, but forcibly uninstalling it via a system update, is a violation of the user's rights unless they themselves are convicted in court, and can lead to some really dark waters very quickly.

    ("Oh, that irresponsible encryption software has to go, as does that compiler that you built it with.....")

    1. Re:Consumer Protection Laws say: "What?" by green1 · · Score: 2

      Many, many companies already remove paid for features without a court order and don't get in any trouble, so I doubt ones that have a court order are worried. (Sure Sony got in trouble, but it was pretty minor trouble, and they're in the definite minority actually losing anything at all)

      Long gone are the days when you can expect to have all the functionality you paid for in a product, or have any ownership rights at all after forking over your money. You get whatever the company feels like giving you, and that can change at ANY time. Don't like it? tough, you don't matter. (I mean "vote with your wallet" and go to the competition, where usually there is no competition, and if there is, they probably do exactly the same thing anyway)

    2. Re: Consumer Protection Laws say: "What?" by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      Better make sure they don't effect any devices located in the UK as unauthorised removal of software from a device is a criminal offence over here under the computer misuse act.

    3. Re:Consumer Protection Laws say: "What?" by Athanasius · · Score: 1

      If only I had mod points today. I checked the comments precisely to make this point if no-one else already had.

      Sure, force this company to issue an update to not allow the installation of these plugins in future, but forcing removal of them now, when users (probably?) chose to install the plugins themselves is just an uncalled for, and I would hope illegal, intrusion.

    4. Re: Consumer Protection Laws say: "What?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When the functionality being removed is allowing users to stream only pirated movies, who gives a fuck?
      If you're stupid enough to buy a cheap android TV box that comes with a version of Kodi configured specifically to stream pirated movies, and the device is even ADVERTISED as doing so, no one really cares if the streaming services go down or a court forces the manufacturer to remove the offending plug-ins. Try taking it to your local consumer rights agency and see how far you get.
      "Oh boo hoo, I bought a gun to shoot people dead, and now they started wearing bullet-proof vests, I want my money back, I'm going to sue the vest company"

    5. Re:Consumer Protection Laws say: "What?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering the infringement of the content itself is illegal, I highly doubt it.

  14. Fear Not Fellow NRA Member, Republicans, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    and other Mass Killers. This will soon die down - a week at the most - and we will return normalcy. We will move our lips during this time to calm the tree huggers but rest assured, YOUR GUNS ARE SAFE!

    Yours,
    The Inmates Running Congress, The White House, and The Supreme Court

    1. Re:Fear Not Fellow NRA Member, Republicans, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Such a great expression of freedom today. Not quite as good as the Las Vegas one, but a good start for 2018. Murica!

    2. Re:Fear Not Fellow NRA Member, Republicans, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Muh freedomz to shoot muh gunz must not be infringed as muh peen is teensy and I must compensate to get those fedora-neckbeard-lovin-womernz!

  15. Re:How much money are they getting paid? by Aighearach · · Score: 2

    The real question is how much money they're being paid

    That is the question for sure! But it doesn't really matter how much. What matters is that they are in fact being paid by the open infringers. So they get this smackdown and have to play nice now, under supervision.

    The lesson is: Plausible deniability has to be plausible. Without it, you get an injunction.

  16. Re:M$ must ban Linux so you pay per CORE in your V by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And that foolish person is why you put your own servers in to data centers and plug into the internet. You don't have to pay the microsoft tax. It is a long term issue. If you are in business the long view is good. Deciding on the platform is one of the first tasks in the job. The platform is computer, OS, update schedule, webkit you want to use and can support your business. VMs are useful for testing your updates and not much else. They are C++, Ruby and Java are right up there with VMs. Javascript, not so bad but an outgrowth of a two decades ago. Hard coding languages like 'C' prevents errors and bugs. Coding is not as fast to do but is safer. In a world where tens of millions of private records are being stolen off easy to do servers? When will people get it. Stack overflow is the single biggest bug and C can be made very tight against that.
    Buzz words to bedazzle the weak minded managers. Don't get me started on Oracle. Java was designed to operate vending machines.

  17. To be fair... by viperidaenz · · Score: 3, Informative

    Their website used to say this on the front page

    Question:
    What TV shows and movies can I see for free?
    Answer:
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    Enjoy watching complete seasons of almost every television series ever created, including those from the premium cable movie channels and subscription services.

    Relax with some popcorn and catch the latest hollywood blockbuster from the comfort of your own home without paying a rental fee. Also included - Sidetick.TV!

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    1. Re:To be fair... by Godwin+O'Hitler · · Score: 1

      That's rather blatant isn't it. It's like erecting a sign at the end of the street saying houses number 5, 19, and 25 are unlocked and you can take anything you want from inside for free.

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    2. Re:To be fair... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rebroadcasting something already broadcast is a thorny area where I'd like to see some sanity. I'm sick and fucking tired of hearing, "I won't get paid for X broadcast because Y company didn't bend over!" Tough shit. Copyright doesn't guarantee revenue. It never was meant to be a property right either, but here we are.

      Stuff like this reminds me why I don't watch TV anymore. The # of commercials alone on STREAMING services are ri-goddamned-diculous.

  18. Judges come from the upper class by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    e.g. folks who own property. So they're going to tend to side with property owners, and that includes Intellectual Property owners. The ruling seems punitive and too broad. VLC could fall under this ruling. This reads like the plantif got everything they wanted while the defendant got nothing. Also, they seem to have picked a small target who couldn't fight back. They did not, for example, go after Roku. Even though it's not terribly difficult to get stuff like Popcorn time running on it.

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    1. Re:Judges come from the upper class by green1 · · Score: 1

      There's a reason these scumbags go after small defendants, they can't afford to put up a big defence, and once you've won a few of these you have a precedent that makes it hard for the big guys to resist even with their armies of lawyers.
      They're also careful to never go after the REALLY big guys because even though they might win with the precedents they've already set, they'd draw too much attention and the laws might get fixed. (Which is why Google hasn't been shut down due to all the piracy they enable, or Microsoft, or Apple, Law makers would have no choice then but to notice that the IP system is horribly broken)

    2. Re:Judges come from the upper class by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      e.g. folks who own property. So they're going to tend to side with property owners, and that includes Intellectual Property owners.

      So a bit of socialism would do USA good? Strange how this idea is not getting traction. Even in the non property-owning classes.
      To be fair, judges will always become 'upper class', but there is a distinct difference between "old money" and a big fat paycheck.
      C'mon USA, Europe fought its way out of feudalism. Surely you can too!

    3. Re:Judges come from the upper class by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Upper class has nothing to do with it. Of course they are going to side with the property owner in a case of a device whose soul purpose for existing is to infringe on copyright of property. VLC would definitely fall under this ruling, but they don't do that. Even Kodi themselves don't do anything that runs afoul of this ruling which essentially requires companies not to officially sanction plugins that exist for the soul purpose of copyright infringement.

    4. Re: Judges come from the upper class by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it must be the secret Hollywood Illuminati conspiracy to destroy all home media devices, first they came for my Tickbox, then they came for my Roku blah blah blah bullshit.

      I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that these cheap Chinese kodi boxes all blatantly advertise that you can watch all the latest movies and TV shows, that you would normally have to pay for or subscribe to, for free, and come configured with the Kodi plug-ins to do so. But sure, Hollywood and copyright laws are The Devil, movies want to be free, Game of Thrones is my first ammendment free speech etc.

    5. Re: Judges come from the upper class by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *sole

  19. What a wonderfully illegal order the judge gives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    District Court judges are so amusingly ignorant of the law in the USA.

  20. Re:make an kkk vs nazi app and then go to court to by fafalone · · Score: 1

    Skokie seems somewhat dampened by the fact the ACLU now believes social justice supersedes constitutional rights.

  21. Tickbox Must... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So,... the courts have found some way to modify the fabric of reality such that their collective will is directly implemented by said reality ?

    OR

    there's a degree of hyperbole involved?

    Captcha: Helpless

    I've long speculated whether the whole point of slashdot is to train a captch-generator!

  22. Re:What a wonderfully illegal order the judge give by green1 · · Score: 1

    To be fair, the other levels are no better, have you seen some of the rulings by the supreme court? Apparently they don't even know that the US has a constitution, let alone what it contains.

  23. the text of injunction... by 4wdloop · · Score: 2

    The text of the injunction

    https://www.scribd.com/documen...

    is an interested read, including multiple screen captures and the discussion that follows is fascinating, alleging that they may be responsible for copyright violation

    "In Fung, the Ninth Circuit analyzed Grokster and held that a defendant may be held liable for copyright infringement under Grokster ’s inducement theory where four elements are present: “(1) the distribution of a device or product [by the defendant], (2) acts of infringement [by third parties], (3) an object [of the defendant] of promoting [the device’s or product’s] use to infringe copyright, and (4) causation. Fung , 710 F.3d at 1032"

    The #3 above may get them in.

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    4wdloop
  24. "Alliance for Creativity and Entertainment", eh? by ToTheStars · · Score: 1

    So I take it this means that they're stopping the gratuitous sequels, reboots, and cookie-cutter blockbusters, right? ;)
    (I suppose I'd also accept it if they agreed to let us pirate works that are not Creative and Entertaining...)

  25. Re:microsoft can't go app store only with anti tru by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If a judge or court says "remove these software titles from all Windows computers", anti-trust issues won't matter... or worse, "remove these files, identified by fingerprint, hash, samples and/or any future technology to do so, from all Windows computers and prohibit the transfer, copy or distribution of them in perpetuity."

  26. Equal protection of the laws by tepples · · Score: 1

    Skokie seems somewhat dampened by the fact the ACLU now believes social justice supersedes constitutional rights.

    In what way? Some aspects of social justice follow from the right to "equal protection" pursuant to the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

  27. Re:make an kkk vs nazi app and then go to court to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Illinois Nazis?

    I hate Illinois Nazis!

  28. Re:How much money are they getting paid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These fools are out of their mind, I had no idea these Kodi boxes were such a big deal. I guess I'm going to have to break out mine just to piss them off.

    My second thought, just after "WTF is Kodi", was "Streisand effect".

  29. Really confused by WinstonWolfIT · · Score: 1

    How is this any different from streaming from the web through my notebook to my Chromecast? This ruling to me seems absurd.

    1. Re:Really confused by WinstonWolfIT · · Score: 1

      Also, I'd think they'd prefer Tickbox which I'd assume can't VPN. Could be completely wrong here.

  30. Re:microsoft can't go app store only with anti tru by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What I don't really understand is how one court ruling is not binding elsewhere when another Judge makes a totally different ruling. Or here in the UK where Judges block access to certain sites at the behest of media companies but this is does not become an actual UK law as only certain ISP are listed (top 6), the small ISP can ignore these court order as they are not law, but one individual has been prosecuted to offering a way around the top 6 blocks even though no actual UK law has been broken.

  31. No webbrowser by houghi · · Score: 1

    I hope they do not have a webbrowser that would link to a google search where you cab type in filetype:torrent because that would be bad.

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  32. Unauthorized access to a computer is Fed Crime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (CFAA)[1] was enacted by Congress in 1986 as an amendment to existing computer fraud law (18 U.S.C. 1030), which had been included in the Comprehensive Crime Control Act of 1984. The law prohibits accessing a computer without authorization, or in excess of authorization.

    What's worse, "pirating" movies, or BREAKING INTO PEOPLES' COMPUTERS?

    That judge was an unAmerican slimeball moron. I hope that he goes to jail for promoting and being an accomplice to Federal Crimes.

  33. Re:"Alliance for Creativity and Entertainment", eh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the works are so devoid of value, why waste time and effort pirating them?

  34. corporate control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So in other words the internet. By connecting to the internet or having a web browser you are violating copy right laws. So how is this any different from any other type of device out there. When I buy a computer from dell or HP ect. How are they not violating copy right. Same with web browser that let me go to sites like Pirate Bay and others. Information should be free. If you don't want to have people take it for free then don't put it out there.

  35. so ? nothing they can do to force me to install it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sure write the patch , make it availlable , nobody will download it or install it , 10$ a patch to the patch will come from the community to reinstate these contents , theres a judge that doesnt understand open source

  36. Re:"Alliance for Creativity and Entertainment", eh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Negative reinforcement.