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Apple Says That All New Apps Must Support the iPhone X Screen (9to5mac.com)

Today, Apple emailed developers to inform them that all new apps that are submitted to the App Store must support the iPhone X's Super Retina display, starting this April. What this means is that developers of new applications must ensure they accommodate the notch and go edge-to-edge on the 5.8-inch OLED screen. 9to5Mac reports: Apple has not set a deadline for when updates to existing apps must support iPhone X natively. From April, all new apps must also be built against the iOS 11 SDK. In recent years, Apple has enforced rules more aggressively when it comes to supporting the latest devices. Apple informed the news in an email today encouraging adoption of the latest iOS 11 features like Core ML, SiriKit and ARKit. Requiring compilation with the iOS 11 SDK does not necessarily mean the apps must support new features. It ensures that new app developers are using the latest Apple development tools, which helps prevent the App Store as a whole from going stale, and may encourage adoption of cutting edge features. The rules don't mean that much until Apple requires updates to also support iPhone X and the iOS 11 SDK, as updates represent the majority of the App Store. Most developers making new apps already target iPhone X as a top priority.

80 comments

  1. support my DAMN balls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    while u suck them

    1. Re:support my DAMN balls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I come to this site just for these now

  2. If you can't sell it... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you can't sell it, you can at least force developers to pretend that it's relevant.

    1. Re:If you can't sell it... by Carewolf · · Score: 4, Funny

      All those developers will have to buy one to test, that will in itself tripple the sales..

    2. Re: If you can't sell it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so Apps on non X-screens will effectively have a black notch at the top of the screen? I'd like Apple to re-imbursr me for that wasted screen real estate.

    3. Re: If you can't sell it... by sheramil · · Score: 1

      I'd like Apple to re-imbursr me for that wasted screen real estate.

      I'd like to see you come up with a dollar value for that, that doesn't result in people laughing at your face when you get up in court and say it.

    4. Re: If you can't sell it... by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      <drevil>One meeeeeeeeelion dollars!</drevil>

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    5. Re: If you can't sell it... by jtara · · Score: 3, Informative

      so Apps on non X-screens will effectively have a black notch at the top of the screen?

      No. That's exactly what they want to avoid.

      There are "safe zones" on each edge. You aren't supposed to put content in the safe zones. You can obtain the size of the safe zones using an SDK call. Or I presume if you use auto-layout, it's just taken care of for you.

      I write hybrid apps that use a WKWebview for UI. UI/WKWebview provides CSS constants for the safe zones:

      safe-area-inset-top
      safe-area-inset-bottom
      safe-area-inset-left
      safe-area-inset-right

      The values will be appropriate for the device the app is running on.

      Presumably this is usable by web sites so that they look nice on iPhone X as well.

    6. Re: If you can't sell it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That sounds fair if it includes the throttling compensation as well.

    7. Re:If you can't sell it... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because they would NEVER standardize on that size / configuration for future models, and try to do the whole ecosystem a favor by getting the software to work properly on it in advance...

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    8. Re: If you can't sell it... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      And that's totally what happens for applications that support the iPhone X display and "notch" today. Nope, not even close.

      Don't be an idiot.

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    9. Re: If you can't sell it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are an idiot shill, stupid law suits that Apple comes up with are so retarded there is no scale of stupudity for them. Rounded corners lol.
      Suck Tim Cock's cock.

    10. Re: If you can't sell it... by michelcolman · · Score: 2

      That's not the problem, Apple explicitly tells you how to take the notch and rounded corners into account so the app looks good on any device.

      A bigger problem is that it's now impossible to code for older devices. I still have friends and family with older iPads running iOS 6. I made sure all my apps remained compatible, which means using an older version of xCode. But now Apple is simply making it completely impossible to support older devices, period.

      I know some people will say that coding for older devices does not make economic sense anyway as they only represent a tiny fraction of sales. That may even be sound advice for a company trying to make money. However, it's quite another thing to tell developers they are not even allowed to make that choice anymore. That's planned obsolescence, pure and simple.

    11. Re:If you can't sell it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you can't sell it, you can at least force developers to pretend that it's relevant.

      You don't really still believe it's not selling, do you? That's some delusional thinking right there.

    12. Re:If you can't sell it... by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      If you can't sell it, you can at least force developers to pretend that it's relevant.

      Who says Apple can't sell the iPhone X? It seems you have been conditioned to count unit sales, because that gives Android phones the lead.

      They have been selling millions. That's the units. Every unit sold is at least $999 in revenue. That's billions in revenue, and revenue counts to a company, not unit sales. Apple has to sell three iPhone 5SE to make the same revenue as with one iPhone X. Android phone makers have to sell five $200 phones or ten $100 phones for the same revenue.

    13. Re: If you can't sell it... by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      I still have friends and family with older iPads running iOS 6.

      Seriously? If you try to support iOS 6 today, you are just massively hurting yourself. It's stupid. If you want to be nice, support iOS 9. That supports everything from iPhone 4s and iPad 2 upwards.

    14. Re: If you can't sell it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So this is the price paid for this stupid idea of edge to edge screen

    15. Re: If you can't sell it... by michelcolman · · Score: 2

      Can you give me one good reason why a simple game that does not need any fancy new capabilities of new hardware, should not be able to run on older devices? Any reason why a perfectly working 7 year first generation iPad must be trashed? (Other than "Apple must make money")

      I know I'm "stupid" because I jump through all those hoops to keep my software compatible even though Apple intentionally makes it a pain to do so, and even though it hardly makes me any more money (the latter being all that matters, right?). I know I'm "stupid" to put any effort into supporting some of my poorer users who love my games but can't afford to buy a new device while their old device is still in perfect working order. I know it's "stupid" to hang on to old, perfectly working hardware instead of sending it to a landfill in some Asian country for children to take apart to recycle their toxic components. I know it's "stupid" to pass older devices onto younger children to use. No, everybody must buy new tablets, even our six year old!

      I wish everybody would be as stupid as I am, it would be a lot better for the planet. But now Apple has decided that I'm not even allowed to support those older models anymore. Even though there's absolutely no technical reason for it.

    16. Re:If you can't sell it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, because they would NEVER standardize on that size / configuration for future models, and try to do the whole ecosystem a favor by getting the software to work properly on it in advance...

      wow you just made that shit up and spouted it like it was true. take that t.c.c.(tim cook cock) out of your mouth and think for yourself for once.

    17. Re:If you can't sell it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you can't sell it, you can at least force developers to pretend that it's relevant.

      Who says Apple can't sell the iPhone X? It seems you have been conditioned to count unit sales, because that gives Android phones the lead.

      They have been selling millions. That's the units. Every unit sold is at least $999 in revenue. That's billions in revenue, and revenue counts to a company, not unit sales. Apple has to sell three iPhone 5SE to make the same revenue as with one iPhone X. Android phone makers have to sell five $200 phones or ten $100 phones for the same revenue.

      so, basically you are saying they are hugely overpriced? it's almost like you like that fact of you paying for a product with such an insane profit margin, that thay need only sell 1/100th of what android does to make the same amount of profit. do you like to spend $50 on a pizza?? seems like you would, and brag about how much more $ that pizza shop make off of your single order, than dominos make in 5 orders.

    18. Re: If you can't sell it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dilly dilly. Try supporting all Android devices and weep.

  3. Arrogant Apple As Always by erapert · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Apple: Yeah we changed up the screen and we did a bunch of weird stuff without consulting you.
    Developers: You're right, that is some weird stuff that you did there for no reason other than "look at me", but whatever, man.
    Apple: And we want you to bend over backwards and change your app around to support the stuff that we implemented without asking or telling you.
    Developer: Uh... wait, why did you do this in the first place? Is there a real compelling reason or...?
    Apple: Because we had some artist say that he thinks it looks better this way. We might change our minds. But we might not.
    Developer: Ugh. So I have to do a bunch of work for no real reason? What's your deal anyway?
    Apple: No there's definitely a reason: because we have altered the deal. Now get to work, beeyotch.
    Developer: (this deal is getting worse all the time...)

    1. Re:Arrogant Apple As Always by beckett · · Score: 1

      ... Profit

    2. Re:Arrogant Apple As Always by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      Did you just equate Apple to Darth Vader?

    3. Re:Arrogant Apple As Always by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      Apple: Yeah we changed up the screen and we did a bunch of weird stuff without consulting you.

      Developers: You're right, that is some weird stuff that you did there for no reason other than "look at me", but whatever, man.

      Apple: And we want you to bend over backwards and change your app around to support the stuff that we implemented without asking or telling you.

      Developer: Uh... wait, why did you do this in the first place? Is there a real compelling reason or...?

      Apple: Because we had some artist say that he thinks it looks better this way. We might change our minds. But we might not.

      Developer: Ugh. So I have to do a bunch of work for no real reason? What's your deal anyway?

      Apple: No there's definitely a reason: because we have altered the deal. Now get to work, beeyotch.

      Developer: (this deal is getting worse all the time...)

      Pray that I don't alter the deal any further.

    4. Re:Arrogant Apple As Always by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're going to develop for Apple, you might as well support their best device... but yeah, fuck Apple.

    5. Re:Arrogant Apple As Always by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pray I don't alter it any further!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpE_xMRiCLE

    6. Re:Arrogant Apple As Always by Jeremi · · Score: 1

      Well, there is a precedent.

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    7. Re: Arrogant Apple As Always by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "best device", really? iShit X is the best? NO

  4. Discontinued by Aquaseafoam · · Score: 1

    Hasn't Apple quit making the iPhone X because it didn't sell? And only now they're telling App Developers that they must support a discontinued device?

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    1. Re:Discontinued by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought they had too, but the answer turns out to be no. Instead they announced that when the iPhone XS comes out next year (or whatever they end up calling it, I just hope they call it the excess because that would be accurate), they'll stop selling the old one.

      I don't know how many they have in stock (keep in mind that even with next to no demand they still weren't able to keep up due to their new "face ID" camera not working) but presumably they'll try and run out of stock as the new one releases.

    2. Re:Discontinued by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hasn't Apple quit making the iPhone X because it didn't sell? And only now they're telling App Developers that they must support a discontinued device?

      Given Apple sold 77M phones last quarter, I'm sure the failure of the iPhone Z would be loved by practically every other phone manufacturer out there. They'd love to have a phone that fails like the iPhone X.

      No, the iPhone X is not discontinued. What it means is that the "cheap iPhone" will be the iPhone 8, when the iPhone 9 is introduced this year. The iPhone X will be discontinued, probably with the introduction of the iPhone X-2 or whatever. Basically, the iPhone X series will not become the "cheap iPhone" line that Apple sells to get people in the door. Like you can buy an iPhone 7 still from Apple - Apple made the iPhone 7 the cheap iPhone, positioning the iPhone 8 as the cutting edge and the iPhone X as the ultimate luxury.

      Demand for the iPhone X is softer than expected, likely because in China, the screen is not big enough for a status symbol. If you cannot require 3 hands to just hold it, and 5 hands to use it, it is a useless phone. And yes, I've seen people hold a phone using both hands because it was too big for one of them.

      I've seen conversations on it too. "Oh, you got a new iPhone! Cool, how big is the screen?" "5.7" "Oh, that sucks, it's too small".

      As for developer support, it's for new apps only - so they can start from scratch with the windowing model properly supported - the old one works just fine but if you're starting anew, it makes sense to add support for it since you're not dealing with legacy code.

    3. Re:Discontinued by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you think they will stop using the super retina screen going forward? Apparently not and the top of the line version that replaces the iPhone X this fall is rumored to be larger with the same notch.

      Also, I can't help notice that you didn't bother to do even a cursory search to realize that the phone was not being discontinued. Which would indicate that you are very credulous about things you read online. You might consider changing that behavior.

    4. Re:Discontinued by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hasn't Apple quit making the iPhone X because it didn't sell?

      No, that was clickbait lies. Stop being so gullible.

      As per the shareholder call two weeks ago, the iPhone X has been the top selling iPhone every week since it was launched.

    5. Re:Discontinued by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought they had too, but the answer turns out to be no. Instead they announced

      Christ, can you please stop being so gullible? You've lurched from one clickbait lie to another. Apple haven't announced anything. They never announce stuff like this. What you have read are crappy analyst guesses, that are often completely made up. They were completely wrong about the iPhone X not selling, they are probably right about iPhone X being superceded, but neither are factual. The trashier members of the press are constantly churning out implausible shite about Apple, if you listen to this kind of thing without being remotely skeptical you'll just end up spreading stupid lies.

      I just hope they call it the excess

      The 'X' is a roman numeral, like macOS X. It's "ten", not "ex", so if they did follow the 's' naming convention, it would be the "iPhone ten ess".

    6. Re:Discontinued by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They were completely wrong about the iPhone X not selling

      Oh, BS. iPhone X users are the most obvious smart phone users out there - they're the ones who look like they're constantly taking angry selfies of themselves as they fight to get "Face ID" to recognize them. You almost never see them, though, because the majority of people who tried the iPhone X returned it because it's a terrible phone.

      The 'X' is a roman numeral, like macOS X. It's "ten", not "ex", so if they did follow the 's' naming convention, it would be the "iPhone ten ess".

      Good luck with that. Like anyone ever called OS X anything other than "oh ess ecks."

    7. Re: Discontinued by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the X was supposed to be 10, why is there no iPhone 9?

    8. Re:Discontinued by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hasn't Apple quit making the iPhone X because it didn't sell?

      There are 5 posts in this thread alone going those lines. Yet, when I look at people's phones in the streets, I often see the distinctive screen of the iPhone X. OK, I live in a rich country, which means people have the money to waste on the phone. But the phone can't be a flop if people are actually craving to buy it. Get out more, maybe you'll see how the world actually is...

    9. Re:Discontinued by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...people are actually craving to buy it...

      Very apt description of mindless iTards.

  5. Soon Apple will discontiune non notch devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YOU WILL use the notch, you will be a Notchphone fanboy.

  6. Apple to Devs: Go Full Retard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never go full retard.

  7. Fragmentation by Sebby · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Funny how Apple used to joke that Android had a fragmentation problem, but now every time Apple releases something new, developers need to do specific things in their apps in order to properly support it.

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    1. Re:Fragmentation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And they properly support it and there is no fragmentation issue like in Android world. Period.

  8. It's not strange at all by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hi, actual IOS developer here?

    What Apple is asking people to do is stuff they have been asking people to do since forever - to build using auto layout, or at least respecting margins the system asks for.

    There are a few technical nuances there, but not many. They are just asking developers to build in a. way that respects system margins so that stuff will look OK across many devices.

    In practice all the iPhone X is, is a larger bottom and top margin.

    It's not a lot of work to adapt for this, unless you've been hard-coding a lot of stuff and in that case - Coding Karma has come to bite your dull metal ass.

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    1. Re: It's not strange at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You aren't a developer you are an idiot sucker.
      Crappie requires iOS 11, not constraints.

    2. Re:It's not strange at all by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      What Apple is asking people to do is stuff they have been asking people to do since forever -
      to build using auto layout, or at least respecting margins the system asks for.

      You mean like you would do for television with overscan, because the television marketplace is so fragmented, you never know the next time a cookie television manufacturer is going to take away one of your margins, but leave you with the three others.

    3. Re:It's not strange at all by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Interesting aspect. But moving to a newer SDK also means that the chance/risk of breaking backwards compatibility increases forcing people to upgrade hardware prematurely.

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    4. Re:It's not strange at all by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      Interesting aspect. But moving to a newer SDK also means that the chance/risk of breaking backwards compatibility increases forcing people to upgrade hardware prematurely.

      The software I write runs on anything from iPhone 4s to iPhone X, and from iPad 2 upwards. No original iPad, no iPhone 4. You can always go on eBay and buy a newer phone.

  9. I try to do the exact opposite by Ecuador · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have a couple of niche apps (one is for telescope polar alignment and astrophotography tools, the other, "Xasteria", is for an astronomical weather forecast) and I am trying my best to keep them working with as old phones as possible and make new features available to them. So far I am managing to keep them working for 2012's iOS 6, since that is the minimum you can do with a version of the dev tools that is still accepted to the app store, and they only miss a little visual candy (and a faster-rendering webview which is not crucial for these apps) compared to running them a device with a newer iOS - as I do target iOS 10 devices with newer features. And, while my iOS 6 and iOS 7 users are not that many, they absolutely love it and I do get some messages about how excited they are to get new features on an "ancient" iPhone 3GS!
    With the latest Xcode there is no way to support such old devices, so when I am forced to use it I will cut out these users who find a good use for their old devices (when you go in remote dark places perhaps with high humidity, having an old device instead of a new one is an advantage).

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    1. Re:I try to do the exact opposite by dwightk · · Score: 1

      newer devices are water-resistant, so it seems like high-humidity would be a mark against using an older device... But it is nice to keep supporting old devices.

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  10. Flog that dead horse by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually iPhone X sales turned out to be Xceedingly good.

    So what was that you were saying again? Oh that's right, just like most Apple Haters you are about three years out of date with reality and are just posting to make yourself look like an idiot.

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    1. Re:Flog that dead horse by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Apple hater, gees, don't like a product and you are evil, WTF. Here is an example of why Apple Corp can be a bunch of fuck ups. Old battery slow down the phone, without informing the user, it's so fucking stupid. Smart move, halve the screen resolution to hugely reduce processing requirements, it's just a bloody setting, full res, at high charge, halve res at low charge or the end user can choose in they know they need to extend their battery life, run at half res for that period. Now that's smart, just slowing the processor and making user experience much worse, is stupid as fuck, reducing demand on the processor was the sensible thing to do and phones are usable at half res, they just don't look as good temporarily.

      Apple claim to be a high end product but they make that claim without the durability and reliability of other high end products on the market, by durability a decade or more of life (think cars, appliances et al). Now all other manufacturers have jumped to built in batteries, now Apple can jump to user replaceable batteries and screens to promote extended life of their product and high resale worth. Now that is a smarter business tactic because they are still replacing the phone for the latest and now more readily as they get better resale and in the most cunning fashion imaginable you push out cheaper competitors phones with second hand long life product (those people were never going to pay for a brand new Apple phone so a win in the Apple market place and a win for less competitors phones in the market) ie a low end Apple phone is a second hand long life Apple phone.

      It's not hard to hate Apple sometimes for the stupid things they do but hey they are not people, they are not your neighbours, rag on them all you want, just another tax cheating corporation. Customer owe them nothing what so ever, just their derision when ever they feel that Apple has failed them as a supplier. Fan bois used to be a thing but now they are mostly just paid professional trolls or employees.

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    2. Re:Flog that dead horse by QuietLagoon · · Score: 2

      ...Actually iPhone X sales turned out to be Xceedingly good ...

      The article you cite seems to say that it was more the iPhoneX's exceedingly high price, and not sales volume, that buoyed the revenue.

    3. Re:Flog that dead horse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Piss off apple apologist.

    4. Re:Flog that dead horse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple hater, gees, don't like a product and you are evil, WTF.

      You switched it from hater to evil in the same sentence? That's sort of irrational/delusional thinking might be the source of your problem.

    5. Re:Flog that dead horse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...Apple Haters....

      Christ, you are a childish dullard. Always will be.

    6. Re:Flog that dead horse by jawtheshark · · Score: 1

      I'm not an Apple hater. As a matter of fact, I'm typing this on an iPhone (SE - I prefer the form factor). However, I have yet to see an iPhone X in real life. Where I live iPhones are very popular, so it can't be that. I'm not saying they didn't sell, but the target demographic seems to be rather limited, or I'd expect to see more of them.

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  11. Notch? What Notch? by filesiteguy · · Score: 2

    Thinking of Marty Feldman's Igor in Young Frankenstein, I honestly hadn't put much thought into the notch. I've been using the Iphone 10 since December and find zero issues with the notch. I do wish it were bigger like my Iphone 7+ or my HP Elite X3, but hopefully they'll come out with a Plus size version soon. My only drawback doesn't have to do with the notch but the narrow screen. The device isn't much bigger than the Iphone 6 units at my work.

    Seriously, I think more people are talking like the notch is an issue than those of us with the device. Whatever they say.

    1. Re:Notch? What Notch? by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      , I honestly hadn't put much thought into the notch. I've been using the Iphone 10 since December and find zero issues with the notch.

      That's because you don't have to do any extra work to support it. App developers do.

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    2. Re: Notch? What Notch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that if they were following the UI design guidelines and using the fucking interface builder the way it was intended (ask the system what the bounds are, and then respect them), then they have little to no work to do.

      But shitty coders will be shit, so yeah I guess some have a bit of effort to put in, to get to where they should have always been.

    3. Re: Notch? What Notch? by filesiteguy · · Score: 1

      It is just like any other requirement. If thatâ€(TM)s the UI guideline then follow it or donâ€(TM)t develop.

      I used to be a developer but unfortunately was better at managing developers.

  12. I hope they all realize by Mister+Liberty · · Score: 1

    that they will NOT be supporting the Ultra Retina display.

  13. No you do not have to buy one to test by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    All those developers will have to buy one to test

    You can use the iOS simulator just fine to test both layout and FaceID auth (if used by the app).

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  14. There's an X11 joke here somewhere... by MrKaos · · Score: 1

    and look at this, you can ssh a remote X-11 session of popular open source applications to or from your iPhone X, AIN'T THAT COOL!

    ba dum Tish...

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  15. Wow, can't stop with the self-inflicted blows... by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    You just can't wait to prove what an idiot you are, can you? You just keep have to go back and make mistake after mistake that 10 seconds on Google would have corrected you on before you put on the clown mask once more.

    "The iPhone X "surpassed our expectations and has been our top-selling iPhone every week since it shipped in November""

    Said the SECOND LINK in my own Google search...

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  16. Re:Wow, can't stop with the self-inflicted blows.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe ; just maybe, people would not despise apple and their blind follows so much if you all where not such massive assholes.

  17. False by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Apple claim to be a high end product but they make that claim without the durability and reliability of other high end products on the market

    Totally untrue, the iPad 2 I bought at launch is still being used daily, as is my mid 2010 17" MacBook Pro (and THAT took a header from about four feet not a concrete floor with just a small dent in the corner and no repair needed).

    Electronics by their very nature are inherently going to suffer a bit compared to newer models after some time has passed. But Apple truly does do a better job than most companies at making products with good fit and finish, and supporting them for a long time - so if you are OK with using the slightly slower system, they can be used a LONG time.

    Apple can jump to user replaceable batteries and screens to promote extended life

    They are user replaceable, go to any Apple Store or if you are technically inclined by a kit and do it yourself.

    The difference is the batteries Apple uses are WAY BETTER than replaceable batteries, I did not miss that at all moving away from flip phones because I had to replace the damn things every six months and lets be honest - NO ONE wants to carry a spare battery with them. But if you did feel so inclined the infinite variety of the external phone charger is vastly preferable to the fixed size and capacity of the replaceable battery. Apple would not go back to them because the world has moved on to the better idea, the sealed battery - going the other way is low end in every possible respect.

    just another tax cheating corporation

    They are repatriating a WHOLE BUNCH of money back to the U.S. so I guess that just makes you another behind the times Apple Hater, doomed to be wrong about Apple until the heat death of the sun.

    I'll let you have the last response as I can only correct so much stupidity in one day.

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    1. Re: False by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just to be clear, they're repatriating this money one time. It's like the tax cuts and giving bonuses this year.

      After the first year, they will reap the profits AND the good free press they're getting from you (that you'll presumably continue to do).

    2. Re:False by AC-x · · Score: 1

      The difference is the batteries Apple uses are WAY BETTER than replaceable batteries, I did not miss that at all moving away from flip phones because I had to replace the damn things every six months and lets be honest - NO ONE wants to carry a spare battery with them. But if you did feel so inclined the infinite variety of the external phone charger is vastly preferable to the fixed size and capacity of the replaceable battery. Apple would not go back to them because the world has moved on to the better idea, the sealed battery - going the other way is low end in every possible respect.

      Yeah, literally none of that sentence is true, is it? An iphone with easily removable batteries could literally have the same battery cells as is does now, just with an extra mm here and there for things like the removable back and for the battery contact pins.

      Being removable doesn't change anything about the battery, and I never had to replace a phone's battery after 6 months even back when the used NiHM.

  18. Re: Wow, can't stop with the self-inflicted blows. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Sometimes it's hard for people to not be cashiers in the face of such wilfully ignorant, or purposefully misleading non-information.

  19. Re: Wow, can't stop with the self-inflicted blows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cashiers? Wtf android auto correct...

    Supposed to be assholes. Not unlike autocorrect, and "you must wait a little bit before correcting a stupid typo, because Slashdotis 15 years behind.

  20. Re: Wow, can't stop with the self-inflicted blow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Preview always works.

  21. Re: Wow, can't stop with the self-inflicted blows. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "no reasonable person would believe us".

    And you believed them.

    If they're doing better than they expected, what about the news report they decreased production? If they set their expectations at 1, they blew right by that. Then again, the essential phone did just that too

  22. Re:Wow, can't stop with the self-inflicted blows.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The iPhone X "surpassed our expectations and has been our top-selling iPhone every week since it shipped in November""

    What does top-selling mean? Does it include returns? Everyone I know who has tried the iPhone X has hated it and opted to return it within the first month. Every single one. I can't remember the last time I saw someone with an iPhone X. And you'll recognize them: iPhone X users are the ones who keep on looking like they're trying to take a scowling selfie before they finally give up and angrily punch in a PIN, if the ugly camera blob and stupid notch weren't enough to give it away.

    Also if you bothered reading your own links you'd see that iPhone sales are dropping. Revenue (so total sales) was higher, but units shipped was not. I doubt they'll be able to pull off that trick a second time: reviews of the HomePod are abysmal and reviews of the iPhone X all took a sharp nose dive as people had more time to discover how flawed a phone it is.

    It's doing so badly, Apple has discontinued production of the phones. Slashdot covered that a month ago or so.

    In sort: you and Apple are full of shit.

  23. Re:Wow, can't stop with the self-inflicted blows.. by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

    ...You just can't wait to prove what an idiot you are, can you? ...

    I read the article you cited. If that makes me an idiot...

  24. Re: Wow, can't stop with the self-inflicted blows. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A loyal and true believing Apple iSheep cult follower has to follow the example set Forth by the divine and All mighty Apple god Steve Jobs. Steve that once walked among mortals, Still demands your very soul and dignity for the honor of being abused by Apple and its holy priests, the uneducated indoctrinated brainwashed air-headed Apple Store geniuses!

    Disclaimer: irony Can be present in the above text