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Facebook Plans To Use US Mail To Verify IDs of Election Ad Buyers (reuters.com)
Facebook will start using postcards sent by U.S. mail later this year to verify the identities and location of people who want to purchase U.S. election-related advertising on its site, a senior company executive said on Saturday. From a report: The postcard verification is Facebook's latest effort to respond to criticism from lawmakers, security experts and election integrity watchdog groups that it and other social media companies failed to detect and later responded slowly to Russia's use of their platforms to spread divisive political content, including disinformation, during the 2016 U.S. presidential election.
Hey Facebook! Here's a better idea: Don't allow any election ads in the first place.
I know being a company you want all the business you can get, but sometimes it may actually be for the common good that you don't try to squeeze every penny out of everything you can squeeze.
"Why should I want to make anything up? Life's bad enough as it is without wanting to invent any more of it."
it verifies that you have obtained the information on a post card. Two simple ways of subverting it (you can probably dream up more):
* Set up postal redirection
* Offer someone a small payment: ''when you receive a postcard addressed to Mr Smith, use your mobile to send a photograph of it to me"
That is some next level cluelessness. We're fucked.
What is a campaign ad?
The russian thing was about sowing dischord and getting people to fight, online and in the streets. It's working.
Getting a cheeto they owned elected president was just a bonus.
Of course this will work, right Facebook? Because this is what TV and Cable stations use to verify all their political adverts. They've been doing this for decades because NOBODY would ever fake an address or hire someone to receive the postcard and pass along the information on that postcard. There's no way this could fail. (rolls eyes)
Cause the money-laundering Russian mafia isn't gonna simply pivot and start laundering postcards as well...
"I make 5K a week working from home! Want to know my secret?"
Well, at least Facebook can say they really are creating jobs now.
This is literally the dumbest fucking thing i've heard this week. And its technically a new week! Seriously, Facebook really does need to hire a 5 year old to sit on their board and any flaws in the plans they make he points out should result in the entire plan being scrapped for sheer stupidity and the person who came up with the plan should be beaten with a rubber hose and then fired.
as long as Boris and Natasha haven't heard of the post-office box.
Ivan will simply find a sucker to take out the ad for him, for a small fee. This is feel good fake news security theatre.
If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
CLASSIFIED
OFFERINg MY ADDRESs TO RUSSIANs FOR A SMALl FEE, OR BO, OR FREe OF CHARGE.
SJWs DIE.
Freedom of speech doesn't mean anonymity. As long as citizens of mother Russia can legally buy things in the US there should be no difference.
When suddenly a lot of people need apartments for a month or two...
That is, provided FB really demands a physical address and doesn't simply accept PO-Boxes.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
They will do what they do with credit card/ebay fraud and lure desperate people to do it for them.
The russian embassy has a postal address.
politicians are like babies' nappies: they should both be changed regularly and for the same reasons
zuckerburg is a genius LOL
If only the people who support this supported voter ID laws.
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As if the poor Russian embassy employees had not already enough to do, now they'll also have to throw postcards in.
Anyone who can afford a ad can buy a fake store front to prove a US address. Gee what a token form of proof which can easily be obtained. Did Facebook not read the Mueller indictments of the Russian's who were here? I am sure Facebook will be happy to provide this fake solution so they can still accept payment for the ads. Because isn't that all Facebook is really interested in?
My kingdom for a mod point!
-Unresolved symbol? Byte me!
You fuck with the US Mail and you go to JAIL! Let those commie bastards try to fuck with US Postal Service! Just let them try and see what happens!
TRUMP RULEZ UBERNESSLY!
You can tell when a executive / MBA type person makes decisions, they are not completely well thought out...
Yes, but that's beside the point. This forces Ivan to go through US Mail in order to violate US election laws. This compounds the legal issues and allows more avenues for investigation.
More importantly to Facebook, they're likely hoping this lets the Feds deal with any fraud, rather than facing new laws passed to prevent Facebook and other companies from selling ads without any real verification.
This isn't at all about stopping Ivan. It's about reducing Facebook's legal burden.
What election laws? Genuinely curious.
Facebook VP: "The Majority Of Russian Ad Spend Happened AFTER The Election"
"many of these ads did not violate our content policies. That means that for most of them, if they had been run by authentic individuals, anywhere, they could have remained on the platform."
"Shouldn't you stop foreigners from meddling in US social issues?
The right to speak out on global issues that cross borders is an important principle. Organizations such as UNICEF, Oxfam or religious organizations depend on the ability to communicate â" and advertise â" their views in a wide range of countries. While we may not always agree with the positions of those who would speak on issues here, we believe in their right to do so â" just as we believe in the right of Americans to express opinions on issues in other countries."
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
So the US can indict a foreigner in a foreign country that has a Constitution that prohibits extradition?
Yeah, the fear of a jail term will scare them.
If the average fat, stupid American turns to social media for election information than let them suffer the wrath of their own stupidity.
I wonder if the 2020 election will end all of the whining about the 2016 election? Or will there just be twice as much whining?
I had hoped that the 2016 election itself would end all the pre-election whining, but it only made it worse. Never seen anything like this.
Ivan will simply find a sucker to take out the ad for him, for a small fee. This is feel good fake news security theatre.
Precisely, if it doesn't already, the Russian embassy will soon have an attaché for shell company management, political action committee administration and political advertisement design, sucker recruitment will be outsourced to the fisheries attache (aka. the FSB operations guy).
https://www.washingtonpost.com...
How many non-citizens participate in U.S. elections? More than 14 percent of non-citizens in both the 2008 and 2010 samples indicated that they were registered to vote. Furthermore, some of these non-citizens voted. Our best guess, based upon extrapolations from the portion of the sample with a verified vote, is that 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in 2008 and 2.2 percent of non-citizens voted in 2010.
Because non-citizens tended to favor Democrats (Obama won more than 80 percent of the votes of non-citizens in the 2008 CCES sample), we find that this participation was large enough to plausibly account for Democratic victories in a few close elections. Non-citizen votes could have given Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health-care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress. Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) won election in 2008 with a victory margin of 312 votes. Votes cast by just 0.65 percent of Minnesota non-citizens could account for this margin. It is also possible that non-citizen votes were responsible for Obama's 2008 victory in North Carolina. Obama won the state by 14,177 votes, so a turnout by 5.1 percent of North Carolina's adult non-citizens would have provided this victory margin.
They do say
We also find that one of the favorite policies advocated by conservatives to prevent voter fraud appears strikingly ineffective. Nearly three quarters of the non-citizens who indicated they were asked to provide photo identification at the polls claimed to have subsequently voted.
However if you look at their paper
http://www.judicialwatch.org/w...
Nonetheless, identification requirements blocked ballot access for only a small portion of non-citizens. Of the 27 non-citizens who indicated that they were "asked to show picture identification, such as a driver's license, at the polling place or election office," in the 2008 survey, 18 claimed to have subsequently voted, and one more indicated that they were "allowed to vote using a provisional ballot." Only 7 (25.9%) indicated that they were not allowed to vote after showing identification. These results are summarized in Fig. 1. Although the proportion of non-citizens prevented from voting by ID requirements is statistically distinguishable from the portion of citizens5 (Chi-Square 161, p < .001), the overall message is that identification requirements do not prevent the majority of non-citizen voting. The fact that most non-citizen immigrants who showed identifi- cation were subsequently permitted to vote suggests that efforts to use photo-identification to prevent non-citizen voting are unlikely to be particularly effective. This most likely reflects the impact of state laws that permit noncitizens to obtain state identification cards (e.g. driver's licenses
I.e. voter ID laws don't work if by voter ID you mean "driving license" and the state gives out driving licenses to non citizens which are indistinguishable from the ones they hand out to citizens. Which is not impossible. E.g.
https://immigration.procon.org...
The law provides driver's licenses to people who filed Colorado state income taxes in the previous year and can show proof of current state residence, or who have an Individual Taxpayer ID and proof of 24 months of state residency, with a passport, consular ID, or military ID. The license will state "Not valid for federal identification, voting, or public benefits purposes."
The paper also contains th
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Lots of fun to be had.
Provide the names of those being investigated, care of likely campaign office, and then a few Russian sounding names. With no reply being suspicious, a hold on all ads would need to take place, and any investigation would put more heat on those being investigated, even if they were innocent.
No doubt many Mexican overstayers will use any address for a bit of change, and be quite genuine about it - if it is in their interests.
The US spent billions interfering with other country's elections, so just STFU with the Russian narrative.
Facebook VP: "The Majority Of Russian Ad Spend Happened AFTER The Election"
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It's easy to get an PO box in the usa!
"Shouldn't you stop foreigners from meddling in US social issues?"
Shouldn't you stop people who live in one state from contributing to candidates running in another state? If I live in California, what business do I have contributing to a congressional candidate running in Pennsylvania?
It's a serious question.
It is about pretending they are doing something to lawmakers.
C. Sagan : A demon haunted world:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345409469/
visit randi.org
Forget PO boxes, there are mail forwarding services that will scan your physical mail and email it to you.
See that "Preview" button?
This is precisely what Delaware specialises in - providing proxy fake addresses for organisations to evade legal scrutiny. There's more than a million corporations registered in one building in Delaware. Mostly for evading taxes but it also works equally well for covert political funding.
First thing in your washington post article it says there is no evidence and the authors of that editorial were biased.
Note: The post occasioned three rebuttals (here, here, and here) as well as a response from the authors. Subsequently, another peer-reviewed article argued that the findings reported in this post (and affiliated article) were biased and that the authors’ data do not provide evidence of non-citizen voting in U.S. elections.
Which is fine, because it literally makes no difference, changed nothing, and Trump will still win.
Now at least they have to invent a new boogeyman to explain their loss, or just admit what everyone already knows: They're corrupt, unelectable, race baiting, anti American shitbags.
Yes, but that's beside the point. This forces Ivan to go through US Mail in order to violate US election laws.
This. By forcing would-be ad purchasers to first commit a few federal crimes, Facebook is off the hook. They can then claim that they acted in good faith to allow the ad. It's an elegant solution from Facebook's point of view.
Nice try, Russians!
My god.... how dumb is that.. even I have like a mail delivery address and I donâ(TM)t live there. And you know what... I donâ(TM)t have Russia money...
From the Internet Research Agency Indictment:
5. Certain Derfendants traveled to the United States under false pretenses for the purpos of collecting intelligence to inform Defendants' operations.
Defendants also procured and used computed infrastructure, based partly in the United States, to hide the Russian origin of their activities and to avoid detection by U.S. regulators and law enforcement.
...
12. b. For example, on or about May 29, 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators, through an ORGANIZATION-controlled social media account, arranged for a real U.S. person to stand in front of the White House in the District of Columbia under false pretenses to hold a sign that read "Happy 55th Birthday Dear Boss."
Defendents and their co-conspirators informed the real U.S. person that the sign was for someone who "is a leader here and our boss... our funder."
PRIGHOZHIN's Russian passport identifies his date of birth as June 1, 1961.
...
30. c. Only KRYLOVA and BOGACHEVA received visas, and from approximately June 4, 2014 through june 26, 2014 KRYLOVA and BOGACHEVA traveled in and around the United States, including stops in Nevada, California, New Mexico, Colorado, Illinois, Michigan, Louisiana, Texas, and New York to gather intelligence.
After the trip, KRYLOVA and BURCHIK exchanged an intelligence report regarding the trip.
d. Another co-conspirator who worked for the ORGANIZATION traveled to Atlanta, Georgia from approximately November 26, 2014 through November 30, 2014.
Following the trip, the co-conspirator provided POLOZOV a summary of his trip's itinerary and expenses.
...
41. In and around 2016. Defendants and their co-conspirators also used, possessed, and transferred, without lawful authority, the social security numbers and dates of birth of real U.S. persons without those persons' knowledge or consent.
Using these means of identification, Defendants and their co-conspirators opened accounts at PayPal, a digital payment service provider, created false means of identification, including fake driver's licenses, and posted on ORGANIZATION-controlled social media accounts using the identities of these U.S. victims.
Defendants and their co-conspirators also obtained, and attempted to obtain, false identification documents to use as proof of identity in connection with maintaining accounts and purchasing advertisements on social media sites.
And then there's that bit where they organized rallies, offered money to cover rally expenses, paid someone to "BUILD A CAGE ON A FLATBED TRUCK" and another person to "WEAR A COSTUME PORTRAYING CLINTON IN A PRISON UNIFORM".
They can steal identities, travel around U.S., pay people to construct motorized cages and other people to dress up and be driven around in those cages... but they'll somehow not be able to mail in a postcard?
Which part of "run like a KGB operation by former KGB people for current FSB people" is Facebook pretending to not understand?
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>Criticize the political right or be declared and reported as "Russian"
ftfy
If facebook wanted to stop messing with elections, they would just ban election advertising.
Those who can, do. Those who cannot, sue.
The ones that make it illegal for foreigners to say "Clinton is a cunt and Trump is too" during an election.
itself, not the world became a village.
Who could think that a relatively poor nation would be capable influence elections thousand of miles away, over the oceans, in a large land, without even investing in radio-stations along the borders?
Right there... in the opening paragraph.
Note: The post occasioned three rebuttals (here, here, and here) as well as a response from the authors.
Subsequently, another peer-reviewed article argued that the findings reported in this post (and affiliated article) were biased and that the authors' data do not provide evidence of non-citizen voting in U.S. elections.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
She has the whole world kowtowing to her over this "Russia" shit (besides, Trump has to call her advice). And nobody can talk about anything else. Shame on all of you for falling for it. And on Slashdot for being such propagandists. I am convinced there are bots pushing these stories up in the firehose. It can't be for real. It just means it will be business as usual next election. with no attempt to rout out republican/democrat corruption. Give her credit, people, and give yourselves a big hand for enabling her.
This is why majority rule is not sustainable. We have corrupt/stupid people choosing our leaders. It is a shame we will need a professional military to correct this problem. Nobody gives up their power in a peaceful manner.
ID to run a political add, but don't need ID to vote?
I would suggest trying to educate everyone on how to verify ads/news articles before taking them as fact... but Democrats would never go for that since deceiving people is how they gain votes.
Weird the people care more about who runs the ad then what is in the ad.
The ones that make it illegal for foreigners to say "Clinton is a cunt and Trump is too" during an election.
I'd say that's common knowledge for anyone with more than two brain cells, core voters of both being beyond redemption.
The creatures outside looked from Alt-Right to Antifa; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
Ivan will simply find a sucker to take out the ad for him, for a small fee. This is feel good fake news security theatre.
Actually, maybe there may be a way to fix this. Do what the republicans want. A national voter id card. It should be free, easy to get, and same day. We might need cryptography too, but if all comments were linked to one of those, that would be something. They could even be somewhat anonymous, though if that case they would have to be limited to a year or two, and your not allowed a replacement until that time is up.
Um... Hillary's campaign outspent Trump by half a billion dollars. She still lost. It is not just about money.
Good job avoiding the question! and always steer it all to: HILLARIEEE!! (the more popular one)
Good job trying to go back to the bullshit Russia narrative. Not.
Uranium One, Hillary gave 20% of national uranium reserves to the Russians for personal profit, why isn't the media covering it? Who is the real traitor?
Also here: You're full of shit.
The "study" the whole thing was based on was torn down on account the author "no do math too good". Some people just don't understand that whole "stat is ticks" thing. What's up with them ticks anyway?
Also, on account of being a cherry picker at doing that.
The perils of cherry picking low frequency events in large sample surveys
Abstract
The advent of large sample surveys, such as the Cooperative Congressional Election Study (CCES), has opened the possibility of measuring very low frequency events, characteristics, and behaviors in the population. This paper documents how low-level measurement error for survey questions generally agreed to be highly reliable can lead to large prediction errors in large sample surveys, such as the CCES. The example for this analysis is Richman et al. (2014), which presents a biased estimate of the rate at which non-citizens voted in recent elections.
The results, we show, are completely accounted for by very low frequency measurement error; further, the likely percent of non-citizen voters in recent US elections is 0.
OUCH! Sick burn!
Oh... BTW... that's under the link you cherry picked to ignore.
Aaaaawwww... poow snowflake. How's all that winnin goin for ya? That ulcer kicked in yet?
Also, besides cherry picking, and not doing numbers that good, you apparently can't read that good either.
Spouting completely bullshit numbers not found in links you claim are the source, spinning in circles around same handful of links thinking no one will bother to notice, when all else fails running back to blog posts by the author of the original bullshit study desperate to defend the debunked study...
You're not just full of shit.
You're a delusional asshole who thinks that lying the same lies continuously and repeatedly they will eventually become truth.
Guess what... You're full of shit on that one too.
TLDR: See the subject. Also, you're full of shit.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
The United States spends billions every year to influence or outright overthrow other countries every year. The United States needs a stadium-sized cup of STFU when it comes to "meddling". This is the point where western exceptionalists start blurting "whatabboutery", so I'll go ahead and tell you first to cram hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis, Syrians and Libyan's up your asses while you're whining about $5000 in Facebook ads.
The entire advertising industry needs to be regulated, and hard.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
How is the heck does this stop anything. I am sure the russians can afford to rent and apartment for a few months during the next election.
Voting for the deadis a felony. Yet you won't call for their prosecution
Mysterious that. All you had to do was offer to call and demand that District Attorney David Learner prosecute an admitted felon. A confessed felon.
Can't do it?
Since card based IDs can be made through shady means anyone outside of America can get a fake ID and it will happen no matter what laws are put in place. This is why we as a nation need to be a leader and ditch the card ID system in favor of a microchip implant before anyone can vote, get a social media account, buy, sell, trade, get assistance, or even get a job. That way illegal aliens, terrorists, racists, communists, child molesters, rapists, or any other deplorable cannot abuse the system or anyone else again. Time to lead the way, time to become more secure and embrace microchip implants.
Imaginary excuses for your inability to actually identify the alleged criminals only serve to discredit you.
So, what happened to "No taxation without representation"? If they are paying their tax they should be able to vote. Foreign powers already use Washington lobbyists with millions of dollars, it's time to let people who actually live in the US to be able to influence US election.
Just like Steele did with his paid report? By Muellers logic, he should be charged with election meddling too.
I am waiting when US is charged with meddling in the Israeli election as well as others.
I will just hold my breath /s
I think anyone who commits a felony should be prosecuted - Democrats, Republicans and the rest.
Interestingly from your link it seems like more ineligible voters vote Democrat (64%) than Republican (18%) or independent/Libertarian (18%)
http://www.newsobserver.com/ne...
The 508 ineligible voters identified in the report are spread across the state, with 36 in Wake County, 34 in Durham and two in Orange. The report says that 64 percent were registered Democrats, 18 percent were registered Republicans and the rest were either unaffiliated or Libertarians.
Which tells me that Democrats benefit a lot more from voter fraud than anyone else, which is why they're so opposed to voter ID laws.
And why they support things like California's Motor Voter law (AB-1461) which auto adds anyone who applies for a driving licence to the voting rolls. California gives driving license to illegals. While AB-1461 doesn't explicitly allow them to vote it specifically indemnifies them against fraud charges if they do vote after they are added to to the rolls 'by accident' by the state.
https://leginfo.legislature.ca...
Existing law makes it a crime for a person to willfully cause, procure, or allow himself or herself or any other person to be registered as a voter, knowing that he or she or that other person is not entitled to registration. Existing law also makes it a crime to fraudulently vote or attempt to vote.
This bill would provide that if a person who is ineligible to vote becomes registered to vote by operation of the California New Motor Voter Program in the absence of a violation by that person of the crime described above, that person's registration shall be presumed to have been effected with official authorization and not the fault of that person. The bill would also provide that if a person who is ineligible to vote becomes registered to vote by operation of this program, and that person votes or attempts to vote in an election held after the effective date of the person's registration, that person shall be presumed to have acted with official authorization and is not guilty of fraudulently voting or attempting to vote, unless that person willfully votes or attempts to vote knowing that he or she is not entitled to vote.
I.e. it doesn't legalize illegals voting but it does decriminalize it in the sense they can't be prosecuted. Presumably California Democrats will be telling non citizens it's 'fine' if they vote just like NC Democrats did. And then if the do vote, they can't be prosecuted and the state can just say it was a clerical error.
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While you're worried about Russia, what about all the people who aren't US citizens who were marching to change our immigration laws? You know, the "illegal and proud" type people at rallies and marches.
Or is it only a problem when Russians dare to express their opinions?
I think anyone who commits a felony should be prosecuted - Democrats, Republicans and the rest.
Yet an actual confessed felon remains unprosecuted without a complaint from you.
Apparently you can't put your money where your mouth is.
No, you cannot call Clinton a cunt.
This is about as effective as using a wet newspaper to try and stop a bullet.
Unlike Russia, most of these illegals but proud, actually pay taxes and eke out a decent living in America as positively contributing members of the society.
If youâ(TM)d care to think â" these people want to add & strengthen America. Russia doesnâ(TM)t.
What I find most surprising that the Republican party used to be most anti-Russia before Trump and now suddenly conservatives are standing up for Russia? Or just another handiwork of Russian shills?
Nice situation to find yourself in.
While you're worried about Russia, what about all the people who aren't US citizens who were marching to change our immigration laws? You know, the "illegal and proud" type people at rallies and marches.
Or is it only a problem when Russians dare to express their opinions?
Nice Conway there Trumpkin, but all I was really trying to do was point out how utterly useless this effort by Facebook is. I have no interest in watching you and your buddies circle jerk over immigration law.
Spinning in circles, getting high on the scent of your own farts...
Pathetic.
Sad.
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I'll gladly accept voter ID laws as soon as we have some laws requiring absolute mental competency for all firearm purchases.
Russians have had agents in America since the 1920s. From the Patent office to espionage. It's no secret.
Shut down Facebook and Twitter 3 months before the election. Nothing important will be lost.
An engineer who ran for Congress. http://herbrobinson.us
Geezus. We have almost 12 million people who have, essentially, broken and entered into our "house" (they're illegal aliens, and this is our sovereign nation state) and are squatting here, and yet some of us are more concerned about "meddling?"
To me, it's like somebody getting raped in the ass and complaining because their perpetrator has bad breath.
i havent had facebook since like i dunno 10 years or more ... recently i met my niece(s) at my aunts 80th birthday , for some reason ... most of them too about 10 years since i saw them lol, so one said like its easy and i was like well okay, lets not push the digital age too far so i tried opening an account but ... first it had me stuck at upload a picture of yourself, then i had to get around through a uk vpn to actually do that, and then they would get back to me in 48 hours ... and thats been like four weeks now
... someone took them too seriously or what ?
i think they have been become quite self-important there
Free speech was meant to be free for all... how can anyone grow up in a nanny state ?