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The Wikipedia Zero Program Will End This Year (medium.com)

Wikimedia: Wikimedia 2030, the global discussion to define the future of the Wikimedia movement, created a bold vision for the future of Wikimedia and the role we want to play in the world as a movement. With this shared vision for our movement's future in mind, the Wikimedia Foundation is evolving how we work with partners to address some of the critical barriers to participating in free knowledge globally. After careful evaluation, the Wikimedia Foundation has decided to discontinue one of its partnership approaches, the Wikipedia Zero program. Wikipedia Zero was created in 2012 to address one barrier to participating in Wikipedia globally: high mobile data costs. Through the program, we partnered with mobile operators to waive mobile data fees for their customers to freely access Wikipedia on mobile devices. Over the course of this year, no additional Wikipedia Zero partnerships will be formed, and the remaining partnerships with mobile operators will expire. In the program's six year tenure, we have partnered with 97 mobile carriers in 72 countries to provide access to Wikipedia to more than 800 million people free of mobile data charges. Further reading: Medium.

75 comments

  1. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Itâ(TM)s hypocritical for anyone to support Wikipedia zero and also support net neutrality.

    1. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's different. wikipedia is the human knowledge, everyone should have free access to it. Maybe you wouldn't have voted for the Orange dude if you had read it more.

    2. Re:Good by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 3, Informative

      Talk about FWP: The discontinuation of access to educational material for vast numbers of third-world school students is announced, and the reaction is mostly some wanking around net neutrality.

      Just to explain this to people sitting in airconditioned offices sipping their third latte of the day: In large areas of the world your education, if you can get one, consists of sitting under a tree or in a dirt-floored room with, if you're lucky, a handful of worn-out books shared amongst the entire class. Wikipedia Zero was created on the initiative of people working for charities and educational initiatives to try and get a replacement for otherwise nonexistent textbooks into countries like I'm describing above. It's made a huge, massive difference in educational opportunities for children whose learning prospects would otherwise be severely limited, because they have virtually zero access to any resources.

      That's what shutting down Wikipedia Zero is going to do, not some theoretical wank about net neutrality.

    3. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It was an initiative to expand the product range of Facebook to third world eyeballs. Wikipedia was just used to give it the illusion of being about charity for tax purposes. I am glad Wikipedia has decided to stop letting for profit corporations use them in this manner.

    4. Re:Good by default+luser · · Score: 1

      The initiative to add new providers is being ended. It doesn't sound like they're cutting the existing offerings.

      It says they offer service in 72 countries. When I rank countries, by per-capita, it's usually a marginal to excellent life in the top 50, and shitty in the other 150-ish countries.

      This program RIGHT NOW covers HALF the shitholes on earth. That's a pretty good success story, for something which is pretty difficult in countries with little infrastructure, / constant warfare.

      I think 50% coverage in five yeas is pretty impresive.

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    5. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Different AC here. Although I get your point, and it is indeed reasonable, you still need to pay to go to school (whether directly or via tax payers).

    6. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The initiative to add new providers is being ended. It doesn't sound like they're cutting the existing offerings.

      From the summary: Over the course of this year, no additional Wikipedia Zero partnerships will be formed, and the remaining partnerships with mobile operators will expire.

      So yes, existing offerings will be dropped as well.

    7. Re:Good by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      We pour billions into these countries and we can't buy a few pallets of textbooks? Those are cheap. What's wrong with our NGOs? Too busy fucking little kids - their real goal for signing up for the job.

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    8. Re:Good by ebvwfbw · · Score: 0

      Maybe you wouldn't have voted for the old bitch if you realized what she was about. There wasn't enough lipstick in the world for that pig. She would have been a despot and we'd be at war by now.

    9. Re: Good by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      That's not regulatory capture. Regulatory capture is granting local cable companies a monopoly and restricting companies like aereo from becoming an MSO after they applied for it. Right now the way around that is streaming video, only cable companies are putting a stop to that by de-prioritizing these providers so that they can't compete for video service since it can't be reliable. That, and they zero rate their own streaming services while adding expensive data overages (and there's zero technical justification for this; it's been proven time and time again that they have plenty of bandwidth.)

    10. Re: Good by nachtelfjeiu · · Score: 0

      "It's hypocritical for anyone to support Wikipedia zero and also support net neutrality." Only +1???? The person (or system) who dealt out that +1 isn't very insightful.

    11. Re:Good by eric_harris_76 · · Score: 1

      everyone should have free access to it

      Is this "should" the "predictive should", the "ethics/morality should" or the "personal preference should"?

      "The per-unit cost should be lower on the larger size." (Using experience or theory I predict this.)

      "You should keep your end of the deal." "You should not murder people." (Society functions better when people do this.)

      "Nobody should order pineapple on pizza." "Nobody should be homosexual." (My emotional state is determined by this.)

      It makes a difference -- especially if you change meanings of "should" in the course of a discussion.

      It makes even more of a difference if you are using one meaning but think you are using another. (Puritans, take note. Not that you'll recognize yourselves.)

      (Hat tip to Larry Niven for writing "Grammar Lesson". The word in question in the story was "my", and it changed the way a war was waged. Strongly recommended.)

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  2. Net neutrality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Isn't this a blatant violation of net neutrality?

  3. Net Neutrality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    How would this not violate various net neutrality rules? Preferential treatment to one destination over another is what we're all railing against.

  4. Top Barrier: the Editors by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 0, Troll

    You want to "increase participation"? Fire all the editors and start fresh.

    1. Re:Top Barrier: the Editors by lhunath · · Score: 1

      Without a rationale attached to this comment, it's nothing but flame bait.

      Care to justify yourself?

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    2. Re:Top Barrier: the Editors by ScentCone · · Score: 0, Troll

      Care to justify yourself?

      How about this: it's a cesspool of ideologically driven, self-aggrandizing SJW types who use the wikipedia platform to keyboard-warrior their way along as they so love to do. They pollute almost everything they touch, and it alienates a lot of people (though not nearly as many as it should). Is that specific enough for you?

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    3. Re:Top Barrier: the Editors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      citation needed .. Everywhere. Apparently no one at Wikipedia has heard of proper citation because there are sooo many pages littered with sub/superscript it's daunting to even read.

    4. Re:Top Barrier: the Editors by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Care to justify yourself?

      I am not the GPP, but I, and many people I know, stopped contributing to Wikipedia when content that we had invested hundreds of hours into creating was summarily deleted by some teenage editor with a Napoleon Complex.

      In my case, the articles were either technical or refered to locations or recurring events. None were political, biased, or offensive. The rationale give was that they were "not notable". Yet they were clearly notable to the hundreds of people that read them monthly, and were invisible to the people that didn't read them.

      Today, years later, most of the pages are back, written by other people, but are less accurate, more poorly written, and are missing much of the previous detail.

      My time and donations now go elsewhere.

    5. Re:Top Barrier: the Editors by yurik · · Score: 1

      None of the editors have ever been "hired"... Hard to fire someone if you haven't been paying them to begin with...

    6. Re:Top Barrier: the Editors by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      You want to "increase participation"? Fire all the editors and start fresh.

      What does that involve, exactly? Deleting the "names" associated with the AIs, and assigning new ones, or is it enough to just reset the data files?

    7. Re:Top Barrier: the Editors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And get rid of the deltionists that delete updates at random. It sucks to spend hours to add a page with 3+ citations only have have it deleted as "not notable."

    8. Re:Top Barrier: the Editors by alvinrod · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Another huge annoyance is the kind of people who stake out ownership of an entire page and are completely unwilling to accept anyone else contributing to it. They'll gladly revert any change you make, even if it's only one that cleans up the wording or rephrases something in order to make it more clear.

      I'm not really sure what makes them into such petty tyrants, but dealing with them is an exercise in frustration. It's as though they take their editing as some kid of sacred mission from god, and heaven forbid if you do try to correct a legitimate mistake, because no amount of facts or sources will convince them that they are wrong.

    9. Re:Top Barrier: the Editors by lhunath · · Score: 0

      Doesn't really help much, the description could be equally applied to papers and magazines of any ideology, those you subscribe to and those you do not.

      What would help, though, is if you could clarify in specific terms where the moral wrong is that is being committed and specifically what the ethical threshold is that is being crossed, preferably using language that would not also make outlets that you favor as much a sinner.

      Certainly, if these editors are doing something seriously wrong, we should quantify that and make it clear to others what is unacceptable.

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    10. Re:Top Barrier: the Editors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another huge annoyance is the kind of people who stake out ownership of an entire page and are completely unwilling to accept anyone else contributing to it. They'll gladly revert any change you make, even if it's only one that cleans up the wording or rephrases something in order to make it more clear.

      I have wondered about this, and eventually came to suspect that changes that are not vetted through the discussion process are reverted without consideration because the editor doesn't want to take the time to review them. I would be happy to contribute many benign changes to correct spelling, grammar, and clarity, but not if it takes time and effort to sell them.

    11. Re:Top Barrier: the Editors by lhunath · · Score: 1

      That does sound infuriating. Though I don't know if this point of frustration is rooted at or resolved by replacing the editors. It seems to me that the effort you'd have to put in to get good content curated and accepted is/was just too high and the system needed to be improved. Lost valuable content is a real shame, lost valuable authors even more so, and a system that causes both is one that needs work.

      But however hard, work is a thing that someone must do. It seems to me that with these experiences, you're better qualified than most to get started.

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    12. Re:Top Barrier: the Editors by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      It's because they're not in control of their own lives, but they *are* in control when they're logged into Wikipedia. They find this feeling exhilarating. Their lives are shit and provide little positive emotion. But erasing someone else's additions to "your" page? A flood of positive brain chemicals and wonderful feedback.

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    13. Re:Top Barrier: the Editors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They wonder why women aren't on Wikipedia and they don't realize the entire system pushes everyone away except the biggest unemployed douchebags who have the energy to fight edit wars.

    14. Re:Top Barrier: the Editors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've had obvious grammar and readability fixes and meaning-altering equation notation corrections reverted by editors who seemed to resent anyone questioning their "authority" by making edits to "their" articles. Only had to happen a couple of times before I stopped clicking "edit" at all, and now treat all info on wikipedia with the deep skepticism it deserves... I have neither the time nor the patience to fight an entrenched opposition who insist that x^(-1/2) == -x^(1/2).

    15. Re:Top Barrier: the Editors by apoc.famine · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yep. While doing research I found that the articles relating to my work were a couple of decades out of date, poorly written, and potentially wrong even when they were written. I took my time, wrote a much better one, included citations to more recent published research, posted it, and had a bot instantly revert it. Talked to the self-imposed "owner" of the page and bot, and got nowhere. After two weeks of fighting with the dumbass, I just gave up.

      In hindsight, I should have posted it under a slightly different title, and then have gone and redirected all the links to the original page to the new one. Let the guy lord over an orphaned page, so nobody bothered him again.

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  5. So much for net neutrality by wvmarle · · Score: 1, Insightful

    we have partnered with 97 mobile carriers in 72 countries to provide access to Wikipedia to more than 800 million people free of mobile data charges.

    These agreements ought to be illegal, and in many countries they would be (and rightfully so).

    1. Re:So much for net neutrality by tepples · · Score: 1

      The featured article mentions that both Chile and India had struck down the similar Free Basics program offered by Facebook for violating net neutrality.

    2. Re:So much for net neutrality by Megol · · Score: 1

      Why?

      The net neutrality problem is something completely different - that of Internet providers throttling traffic that they don't get extra money for (from the content provider).
      This is people "paying" Internet providers so they will not charge users any money for some sponsored content.

      The first thing fucks up the Internet - the other gives some people that wouldn't have any access the Internet at all access to some part of it.

      It's not the same thing at all.

    3. Re:So much for net neutrality by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      To get Wikipedia on a data connection without data charges those people would have some mobile Internet device (e.g. a smartpone), and a mobile data connection, normally paid for already.

      Now SOME providers in their country offer access to one web site (i.e. Wikipedia) for free (i.e. included in their data plan). Stopping this project, or cancelling existing such contracts, does not cut off those people from Wikipedia. It will just be included in their normal data charges - just like users of the other providers in the same country. Also why would it have to be limited to Wikipedia, and not also say the Encyclopedia Brittanica, and a few international news papers?

      I don't see much difference with what is (used to be?) offered around my place for packages that include free access to WhatsApp and the mobile site of Facebook. I don't know if Facebook pays for that, actually I doubt it.

      Net neutrality is about not giving preferred access to certain sites, or giving different rates (cost, speed) to access different sites using the same connection or being allowed to access certain sites at all. That is regardless of whether the site(s) in question pay for their preferred access.

  6. Both NN and copyright infringement by tepples · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The realization that it violates net neutrality is one reason that the article cites to wind down the program. Another is that people in the Republic of Angola were routinely uploading infringing copies of movies to Wikimedia Commons to exploit Wikipedia Zero.

  7. Wikishit by Tsolias · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Wiki used to be about facts and nothing more. Now it's like any other forum, image board, social media website.
    There are countless times where I corrected articles, placed citations, but just because some guy with a bot could manipulate the page, reverted anything back to the previous accepted version.
    Until a couple years ago, the Linux page was about the Linux, an operating system... obviously such thing doesn't exist. In 2017 iirc, the page remained with the same almost content, removed anything related to the kernel, placed in there more about operating systems and the linux_kernel page was created.
    Facts: Linus never named his kernel "linux kernel", the kernel's name is linux, as in Mach, NT, e.t.c., there's no such thing as Linux, a family of operating systems, because Linux refers to a kernel and is a registered trademark as "Linux".
    What we see here is that the general misconception, manipulates an "encyclopedia" in such way to make the mob's opinion less incorrect.
    That being said, I think that Wiki and other biased, wrong and public-opinion-manipulating outlet should be constrained as much as possible. Wiki is just a super-set of sites that provide info about games, actors, movies, products. It has no value for anything beyond that.
    I'd like to see it fail miserably, this is not far away with all the money they flush down the toilet, and I'd like to see a better alternative with proper data evaluation before someone puts it up there in the public domain.

    1. Re: Wikishit by c6gunner · · Score: 2

      Facts: Linus never named his kernel "linux kernel", the kernel's name is linux, as in Mach, NT, e.t.c., there's no such thing as Linux, a family of operating systems, because Linux refers to a kernel and is a registered trademark as "Linux".

      That's wonderful. Other facts: when people talk about Linux in general discussion they are referring to the set of operating systems based on the Linux kernel. When people look up Linux on Wikipedia, they are almost universally looking for information about those operating systems rather than the kernel.

      Encyclopaedias aren't intended to be a pedants wet dream; their purpose is to document and communicate useful information. Had you included just a single sentence clarifying the difference between the original word "Linux" and the common usage, I doubt it would have been removed. Instead you decided to rewrite the whole article because it annoys you. What did you really expect?

    2. Re: Wikishit by tepples · · Score: 1

      when people talk about Linux in general discussion they are referring to the set of operating systems based on the Linux kernel.

      In practice, GNU/Linux, Android/Linux, and BusyBox/Linux have very different use cases: desktops and servers, phones and tablets, and routers and other appliances. To which of these do people refer "when people talk about Linux in general discussion"?

      Had you included just a single sentence clarifying the difference between the original word "Linux" and the common usage, I doubt it would have been removed.

      Better yet, write an entire article about that difference and link to it from this sentence in lead section of "Linux". No wait: Wikipedia already does exactly that.

    3. Re:Wikishit by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Wiki used to be about facts and nothing more.

      Wikipedia has never been about facts, that is just faulty original research promoting faulty original research.

      Wikipedia is, and always has been, about being encyclopedic .

    4. Re: Wikishit by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      In practice, GNU/Linux, Android/Linux, and BusyBox/Linux have very different use cases: desktops and servers, phones and tablets, and routers and other appliances. To which of these do people refer "when people talk about Linux in general discussion"?

      For most people it's curiosity about the desktop OS variants; very few people think of android as being Linux, and those who know enough to be looking up info on servers and embedded devices probably aren't browsing Wikipedia for that information anyway. But there's no reason why all of those use cases couldn't be mentioned briefly, with links to more detailed articles.

      Better yet, write an entire article about that difference and link to it from this sentence in lead section of "Linux". No wait: Wikipedia already does exactly that.

      Precisely my point.

    5. Re: Wikishit by tepples · · Score: 1

      very few people think of android as being Linux

      Among these "very few people" are Slashdot users who pride themselves on being "technically correct, the best kind of correct," as a Futurama character put it. I've seen several comments to the effect: "If you want a small form factor Linux device for lightweight development work, buy an Android tablet and pair a keyboard."

    6. Re:Wikishit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After I created a Wiki page for my uncle that had a platinum record and five gold records that was deleted as not being notable, I gave-up on Wikipedia. I think two citations were required, and I had more than a dozen.

    7. Re:Wikishit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is so true.

      There is a Wiki page about my business. I also have my own personal cyberstalker who has trashed the page repeatedly. He has succeeded in getting correct information removed from the page and false information added. I've wasted large amounts of time dealing with this. Most of the editors don't really care. They demand citations. Many of the citations for things are in print but not online so they discount those. Others are online but reporters sometimes make mistakes and those mistakes end up getting embedded into Wiki. It's a mess of some truth and some misinformation.

      So now when I look at another Wiki page I bear that in mind that the information there is not necessarily factual. Wiki loses what credibility it had.

    8. Re: Wikishit by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      Among these "very few people" are Slashdot users who pride themselves on being "technically correct, the best kind of correct," as a Futurama character put it. I've seen several comments to the effect: "If you want a small form factor Linux device for lightweight development work, buy an Android tablet and pair a keyboard."

      Of course it is Linux based, and I wouldn't argue with anyone who called it "Linux"; I said "most people" not "most Slashdot users".

      I do think that using an android tablet as a lightweight development device is a horrible idea though. Pretty much all of them use an outdated kernel, they have limited support for peripherals, and are limited in many other ways. You are far better off buying a raspberry pi or odroid type device and putting a standard Linux desktop distro on it. If you need it to be portable you can buy a small USB powered monitor and power both the odroid and monitor from a power bank.

  8. Never Knew About This Program by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's how important it was. Stick with the website, not side-deals.

  9. Donation allocations at WMF by yurik · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was the principal engineer on Wikipedia Zero, and one of the top code contributors to the MediaWiki itself, first as a volunteer, and later as an employee. I think Wikipedia Zero was a great attempt at promoting open knowledge in the less developed locations. I suspect that by now it is not as critical as it once was, and it would be good for the Wikimedia foundation to focus on better allocation of funds.

    That said, I do have serious concern with how WMF does its allocation and chooses its priorities. Foundation collects over $80 million a year, and employs nearly 300 people, yet the **only** team that is directly driven by the community is a tiny 10 person Community Tech team. Community tech runs community surveys, and picks just the top 10 items to work on. Think about this - foundation that was created and prospers financially due to the community's efforts only lets 3% of its work, and even less of its funds be directly driven by that same community. Instead of allocating funds based on comunity's preferences, and in the same order, WMF has choosen the order and fund allocation according to the internal goals and inside politics. The recent priority setting efforts (which took nearly a year) may change that, but the process so far has seem to be far too complex, whereas the community tech team's voting was much more straightforward and simple to follow and participate.

    There is fundamentally only one reason WMF gets the $80 millions in donations -- content. People value Wikipedia's content, and wish to support that content as much as possible. Despite this, almost none of these money goes towards improvements in the content -- Wikipedia is still a wall of text with a few static images, just like it was in 2001. I am still hopeful that a more interactive content would make its way to Wikipedia pages, avoiding stagnation and keeping the whole project relevant for the future.

    1. Re:Donation allocations at WMF by arth1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wikipedia is still a wall of text with a few static images, just like it was in 2001.

      Good! Text has, by far, the highest content-to-bit ratio. It should be encouraged, and not be replaced with prolefeed.

    2. Re:Donation allocations at WMF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I wouldn't want Reddit or even Slashdot's popular whims deciding what's on Wikipedia.

    3. Re:Donation allocations at WMF by aberglas · · Score: 1

      Indeed, I would be wary of any move to multimedia content.

      The text content is accessible and editable and has high density, fact oriented which suites Wikipedia as a nerd's reference.

      How do you diff contributions to multi media? (OpenStreatMap has this problem.) Images also provide enough headaches over copyright as it is.

      A multimedia focused education site might be a good thing, but I do not think it is Wikipedia.

      I think some support for Open Street Map might be a good use of some of that $80 million though.

      Amazingly, Wikipedia has survived special interest groups, government trolls etc. Fascist editors are a problem pushing content out, but despite all the anarchic system works amazingly well.

      It is testament to the fact that, surprisingly, there is more good in the world than bad.

    4. Re:Donation allocations at WMF by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Yeah, as it turns out, one of the primary motivations for working at a non-profit is to divert as much money as possible to phoney baloney jobs for your cronies (harrumph harrumph) while dragging out the project as long as possible.

      That being said, I think Wikipedia as text and pictures is great. Your link has a lot of mistaken assumptions: "Reading information is not as fun as interacting with it." Where the hell is it written that Wikipedia's job is to be fun? "Learning from Wikipedia should be as addictive and engaging as following friends on a social network." No, no, no. Wikipedia is a goddamn encyclopedia, not a goddamn social network. Those networks are harmful to children, this lady is insane. You notice all her "ideas" boil down to animated .GIFs? Anyone seriously want those all over Wikipedia because they're "fun"?

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    5. Re:Donation allocations at WMF by Mal-2 · · Score: 2

      It depends on the subject. While descriptive text almost always helps, talking about music (without actually allowing the reader to hear any) is like dancing about architecture.

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    6. Re:Donation allocations at WMF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That said, I do have serious concern with how WMF does its allocation and chooses its priorities

      What's your take on the established connections between WMF and The Clinton Foundation, Feminist Frequency, The Berkman Center, and The Guardian?

    7. Re:Donation allocations at WMF by arth1 · · Score: 1

      It depends on the subject. While descriptive text almost always helps, talking about music (without actually allowing the reader to hear any) is like dancing about architecture.

      Explanatory text without the music would be immensely more useful than the music without explanatory text.

      And as a lifelong hobby musician and composer, I find text far more useful. I can recreate the music from text, but a recording doesn't tell much of the story. Who wrote it, when, for whom - what preceded it, what followed it, was it rearranged for the recording that's presented?

      Descriptive text also teaches people a bit about music, if they are interested, much like a food recipe teach people about food.

      An encyclopedia entry is there to teach people, not to entertain them.
      There's nothing that prevents Wikipedia to have a link to YouTube for those who want multimedia.

    8. Re:Donation allocations at WMF by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      Talking about music is great for those people who already understand the subject. You can of course convey the subjective reactions people have had to the music, such as the riots after the debut of The Rite of Spring, but can text alone convey why it caused this reaction? If you already know the piece, then maybe you don't need snippets of the music. But if you've never heard it before, and you're not a musician, words alone aren't going to get you there.

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  10. Wikipedia teaches the controversy by tepples · · Score: 1

    Facts: Linus never named his kernel "linux kernel", the kernel's name is linux, as in Mach, NT, e.t.c., there's no such thing as Linux, a family of operating systems, because Linux refers to a kernel and is a registered trademark as "Linux".

    Wikipedia's policy of a neutral point of view causes editors to use the name most commonly used by third-party reliable sources and teach the controversy, as in the "GNU/Linux naming controversy" article.

    My own writing style is to use "GNU/Linux" for typical desktop and server distributions to distinguish them from Android, BusyBox-based small distributions, and other specialized operating environments built around Linux that contain little or no code from the GNU project. I have found "GNU/Linux" or "X11/Linux" the most succinct way to satisfy fans of Richard Stallman while ducking some Slashdot users' insinuation that a tablet running Android with a paired keyboard or a laptop running Chrome OS can adequately substitute for a laptop running Ubuntu. But because this writing style happens not to match that of the scholarly and mainstream media that Wikipedia relies on, Wikipedia does not use it.

    1. Re:Wikipedia teaches the controversy by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      If you call a machine with a Linux kernel and GNU userspace utilities "GNU/Linux" does that mean a Windows machine with cygwin is a "GNU\Windows"? And a Mac with a bunch of GNU packages installed from home brew is running "GNU/macOS/BSD"?

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    2. Re:Wikipedia teaches the controversy by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I have found "GNU/Linux" or "X11/Linux" the most succinct way to satisfy fans of Richard Stallman while ducking some Slashdot users' insinuation that a tablet running Android with a paired keyboard or a laptop running Chrome OS can adequately substitute for a laptop running Ubuntu.

      So what do you call a tablet running Android etc etc using tincore linux deploy to get an Ubuntu userland?

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    3. Re:Wikipedia teaches the controversy by tepples · · Score: 1

      So what do you call a tablet running Android etc etc using tincore linux deploy to get an Ubuntu userland?

      GNU/Linux. The "GNURoot Debian" app is also GNU/Linux.

  11. Worst Idea Ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Net Neutrality is the friend of Decentralization.

    Wikipedia somehow decided to be the enemy of Net Neutrality.

    Creative Commons Licensing is their only saving grace.

    Wikipedia is a centralized chokepoint for those who wish to spy on people's education reading habits to go f'n nuts.

    I do not trust wikipedia to protect the privacy of my intellectual journeys.

    There is a better way.

  12. Re:That's how charity/foundation works by Aighearach · · Score: 2

    Red Cross spends about 10% on management, 90% on humanitarian services and programs.

    Goodwill isn't one organization, and isn't purely even a nonprofit. They call themselves a "Social Enterprise" instead.

  13. Re:That's how charity/foundation works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not sure about Red Cross, but the worst are those who peddle poverty on the streets and try to guilt you into signing up to some recurring payment scheme.

    Avoid the clipboarders - they sell poverty and take their cut. Africa isn't as poor as they make out. Certain villages yes, but the picture they paint is the whole continent is starving which is not the case

  14. What was the parntership by fred6666 · · Score: 2

    Did Wikipedia pay mobile network carriers to offer Wikipedia Zero for free? Or did just they wrote letters to them asking them to offer Wikipedia Zero for free?

    1. Re:What was the parntership by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They provide regional censored versions of the site in exchange for free carriage. Win win! /s

  15. Goes against net neutrality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This goes against net neutrality!

  16. World's most popular web page. Versus Geocities by raymorris · · Score: 1

    > Just like it was in 2001. I am still hopeful that a more interactive content

    And that formula has been working, and Wikipedia constantly growing, since 2001. Be VERY careful about changing what works so well.

    Have a look at the world's most popular web page - the Google home page. See all the animated gifs, the dynamic content with sliders and dials for the the user to.play with? Nope. Just a logo, a text field, and a button. Just like 2001.

    Contrast this with the sites that WERE super popular in 2001,with lots of animated gifs. Geocities and MySpace were on top of the world. Until animated gifs and such killed them.

    1. Re:World's most popular web page. Versus Geocities by zabbey · · Score: 1

      And yet some of the most popular sites today are littered animated gifs. Reddit and facebook are full of them

  17. Re:The absurdity of claiming to be an atheist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "to be able to say, "There is no God," you must yourself assume to be God, which is a reductio ad absurdum, an utter and a complete absurdity."

    Not if the one saying it actually IS god!

    And before you tell me that there's no way a person on earth can be god, remember - that's what a lot of folks said about Jesus, too. And they were definitely wrong, correct?

  18. Cygwin == Cygnus GNU/Windows by tepples · · Score: 1

    In the deliberate lack of an official definition of "GNU/", I have been defining "GNU/" as GNU Coreutils combined with two of GCC, Bash, Emacs, and shared glibc.

    If you call a machine with a Linux kernel and GNU userspace utilities "GNU/Linux" does that mean a Windows machine with cygwin is a "GNU\Windows"?

    Correct. That in fact is what "gwin" in Cygwin and "GW" in MinGW stand for. Likewise, a complete installation of DJGPP (with the compiler, Binutils, Coreutils, Make, and Bash) is GNU/MS-DOS or GNU/FreeDOS.

    And a Mac with a bunch of GNU packages installed from home brew is running "GNU/macOS/BSD"?

    Probably not, unless the user has replaced the Darwin counterpart to Coreutils with GNU Coreutils.

  19. Re:The absurdity of claiming to be an atheist by uncqual · · Score: 2

    TL;DR

    A definition of atheist is:

    A person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.

    Thus, an atheist is often just someone who, having seen no credible evidence of the existence of a god and seen many examples of conflicting claims of gods that lack credibility, has no rational basis to believe there are gods and therefore doesn't assume that gods exist. It is not necessary to travel to the ends of the universe and examine every subatomic particle in the universe to rationally be an atheist.

    Theists can offer no credible evidence in recorded history that gods exist and they can't even agree among themselves what gods exist. Yet, they generally claim vehemently that "their" particular gods exist and are the origin of our existence. This is a remarkable conclusion resulting from a lack of critical thinking. Rationally, few atheists are likely to spend much of their energy considering trying to help prove or accept something that "believers" have, time and time again, generation after generation, failed to provide one shred of evidence of.

    It is quite possible that some, perhaps many, humans have evolved to have a strong tendency to believe in something akin to a "religion" replete with gods. In an unenlightened time where science as we know it today didn't exist and there was no way of passing information reliably from person to person and generation to generation, a "religion" trait may have helped societies survive better as it could help give a structure to society and enforce (via the fear of retribution by "big daddy in the sky") some moral codes. We have moved beyond this time, but it will take some time for evolution catch up due to humans' low reproduction rate and the tendency of modern society to interfere with natural selection.

    Religion is something like a placebo, as long as one is ignorant of reality it can make some more comfortable but has little value once one figures out they are just getting a sugar pill.

    --
    Why is there an "insightful" mod and why isn't it "-1"? If I wanted insight, I wouldn't be reading /.
  20. support infogalactic instead? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fork Wikipedia's CC content and replace the rest.

    I mean ole Jimmy has been in it for the money since the beginning.

    If you really want to see the internet encyclopedia improve, it isn't by supporting Wikipedia, but by supporting and providing word of mouth for its alternatives.

    infogalactic is one of those.