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Apple CEO Tim Cook: 'I've Only Had Good Years' (businessinsider.com)

Business Insider: Under CEO Tim Cook's watch, Apple has sold hundreds of millions of iPhones, booked hundreds of billions of dollars in profit, and launched new products like AirPods and Apple Watch. In fact, Cook says, he's never had a bad year as CEO of Apple. "I've only had good years. No, seriously," he said in an interview with Fast Company. "Even when we were idling from a revenue point of view -- it was like $6 billion every year -- those were some incredibly good years because you could begin to feel the pipeline getting better, and you could see it internally. Externally, people couldn't see that," he continued.

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  1. The external view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    those were some incredibly good years because you could begin to feel the pipeline getting better, and you could see it internally. Externally, people couldn't see that

    He's got a good point. Externally, we only saw the amazingly shitty products. The insider's view is that they have found people willing to buy that shit.

  2. CEO vision COO obsession by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So you had Jobs who had vision. Then you have Cook who is very good at ops. He can squeeze every last cent out of everything they do.
    Problem with these ops people is that they have no vision. Yea, now that he's in charge they're more profitable than ever. But product quality has suffered and they're not innovating. Not in any meaningful way, anyway.
    This always ends the same way. The ops guy will get the company as efficient as he can, but they wont be doing anything new and it will take a dive.

    1. Re:CEO vision COO obsession by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's the same cycle that Microsoft went through.

      After Gates left and Ballmer took over. They had a number of years of great revenue, but they had no long term vision. A decent businessman can optimize a large company like Apple or Microsoft to increase revenue for a few years.

      But when most of your profit gains come from cutting costs and improving effeciency, you're not gaining long term market penetration. When people move on from your current product lines (Desktops/Laptops to Mobile, native applications to web, Windows Server to Linux/BSD) you're left behind tons of ground to make up.

      Microsoft is now playing catchup, Apple will be doing the same in 4 years.

    2. Re:CEO vision COO obsession by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And now that the guy who was good of ops is no longer in charge of ops, Apple's logistics have gone to shite, resulting in massively delayed product launches, lack of availability, etc.

    3. Re:CEO vision COO obsession by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1, Troll

      So you had Jobs who had vision. Then you have Cook who is very good at ops. He can squeeze every last cent out of everything they do.

      I'm in the Apple ecosystem - have been for about 15 years. But Tim Cook - and the current crop of vocal Apple apologists - remind me uncannily of Steve Ballmer and the Microsoft apologists from 15 years ago.

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  3. We still talking about finances and products, Tim? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

    >> you could begin to feel the pipeline getting better

    Um, are still talking about finances and products, Tim? (uncomfortable silence)

  4. low bar by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    To a CEO, a good product is one that sells, and Apple devices sell primarily because of lock in to the ecosystem. Of course he has good years if he sets the bar that low.

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    1. Re:low bar by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1, Interesting

      ...a good product is one that sells...

      The rumblings about iPhoneX are getting stronger...

      .

      Samsung to slash OLED panel output as iPhone X slumps

      https://asia.nikkei.com/Busine...

      ..."Samsung Display now plans to manufacture organic light-emitting diode panels for 20 million or fewer iPhones at the South Chungcheong site in the January-March quarter. The initial goal was to supply panels for 45 million to 50 million iPhones," the FT owner's Asian biz news service reports....

      Full overview here.

  5. Coattails success by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apples success is still about Steve Jobs vision.

  6. Pipeline? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's talking about his own ass

    1. Re: Pipeline? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would argue that the iPhone X was a pretty drastic change to Appleâ(TM)s status quo.

    2. Re: Pipeline? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You and the Apple marketing department would argue that...

  7. He's managing Apple's coasting. by SensitiveMale · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apple hasn't innovated since Jobs died. Don't get me wrong. Anyone following Jobs would be found wanting. But Cook is a manager, not a leader and it shows.

    1. Re:He's managing Apple's coasting. by nucrash · · Score: 1

      Apple has had a couple of innovative products, but nothing that really changed the way we live like the iPhone.
      The touch bar isn't happening or if it is, it's not happening quick enough.
      Thunderbolt/USB3 is not happening soon enough.
      The iPhone X has slow adoption rates, but that's fine. Other products are picking up the slack
      Apple is trying to shift the iPad into the consumer/entry level developer world and that's just not happening.

      Steve Jobs had probably a four year road map when he departed. They have exceeded that for more than a year which is about how long it has been since we have seen anything even remotely innovative.

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    2. Re:He's managing Apple's coasting. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >trying to shift the iPad into the consumer/entry level developer world

      The fact that you need a macOS machine to remote debug safari on a ipad takes away incentive for me as a web developer to buy it.

  8. Famous last words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Steve Jobs was never complacent. OK, there was only one Steve Jobs, and nobody has his feel for products or his salesmanship, but at least Cook could emulate his lack of complacency.

  9. Steve Jobs by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

    Steve Jobs -- pioneer of computing as a prison. Tim Cook -- master promoter of the same business model. Two sides of the same coin, ta hell with them both.

    1. Re:Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, Open Source Spyware from Google and Ubuntu is clearly a better system!

    2. Re:Steve Jobs by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Ubuntu is good.

      But fuck Google, M$, and Amazon too. Their models are based on data theft, just like Apple.

    3. Re:Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google? Theft?

      Are you serious, you hand it over on a silver platter, that's about as far from theft as you can get.

    4. Re: Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The metaphor breaks down. You do not own the silver platter.

  10. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Incredibly good years for fleecing the apple faithful.

  11. Re: Moscow Donald to America - I've only had Treas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I assume this is being posted by a bit, since the same spam seems to show up in just about every article. There are plenty of articles on Slashdot where politics is relevant. Keep politics out of articles where it doesn't belong.

    This article is about how Apple has performed under Tim Cook. Can't we discuss that and leave Trump out? I'm much more interested in discussing Tim Cook's affect on Apple. While he's right that the company continues to bring in massive profits, I don't agree that he hasn't had bad years at Apple. The profits are still there, but the brand has diminished from ten years ago. A decade ago, Apple was viewed has having superior quality to their conpetitors, justifying the premium prices. The Mac vs. PC commercials from that era really drove home that point. There were other smartphones, but the iPhone was viewed as the gold standard, especially around the 3g-5 phones. Apple may still have huge profits, but the brand no longer carries the weight it did a decade ago.

  12. Pipeline? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Oh please. He has been talking about this magical pipeline pretty much since Jobs died. He is always excited about it. Maybe we are just around the corner from some amazing things, but so far the only new thing has been the watch. Everything else has just been small increments of the same tired form-factors. As he says, they idle on billions of dollars, yet all they are able to produce is a speaker and notched screen.

  13. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple is a religion.

  14. Re:Really? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    the premature removal of all USB 3.0 type A ports,

    Forcing people to buy a dongle, probably from the Apple store.

    the removal of headphone jacks on the latest iPhones

    May we recommend our new AirPods? A snip at only $159!!

    the soldering of RAM on motherboards

    Thus forcing people to buy more when they order the machine, and do so at whatever price Apple decide to charge. E.g. Apple charge $200 for an 8 to 16GB upgrade and $800 to upgrade a 128GB SSD to 1TB.

    https://www.apple.com/shop/buy...

    the lack of decent Mac mini and Macbook Air updates.

    This is probably just laziness. Then again their captive audience will buy the old machines anyway, so I guess they spent less on engineering and got the same sales.

    All this stuff is bad for the consumer, but it improves Apple's profitability .

    It's a shame really, I'd have bought a new Macbook Pro if they hadn't pulled the trick of soldering the Ram using proprietary SSDs. An extra $1000 on a machine that costs $1299 already is a horrible rip off. Last generation I spent $1099 on a machine and then a few hundred bucks on more Ram and an SSD from Crucial when it got slow. Having to either spend a grand at Apple at the start or never have the possibility of upgrading significantly sours the deal.

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  15. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Spot on on all accounts.

    I eagerly await the Apple shills to respond.

  16. Nice Idle! by pubwvj · · Score: 2

    "$6 billion every year

    That's a very nice idle profit rate... Especially in a time when other computer companies saw sinking profits or even losses.

    1. Re:Nice Idle! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      computer companies

      Apple is a computer company? I've learned something new today.

  17. Lots of iPhone sales = "good years" by timholman · · Score: 1, Insightful

    As long as Apple keeps selling more iPhones at higher price points, everything will be "good", i.e. lots of revenues and profits.

    But Cook has hollowed out the rest of the Apple product line, and made design decisions that have nothing to do with usability but everything to do with "style". No updates to the Mac Mini or Mac Pro in years, the MacBook Pro is an absolute joke, no attempt to improve on the Airport Extreme, etc. Sure, those products are tiny blips in Apple's quarterly revenue, but they are the foundation that makes the iPhone a success.

    I can no longer tell family and friends "buy an Apple computer" without reservation. I myself am carrying around a mid-2012 MacBook Pro that is really starting to show its age, but there is nothing in the Apple line that I care to replace it with. Thankfully a Samsung SSD has kept it going up till now, but at some point I will need a new computer. And then what? Perhaps a Dell with some flavor of Linux is in my future, because I can't see myself dealing with the abomination that is Windows 10.

    Under Cook's reign, Apple has lost something fundamental: its proselytizers ... the experts who convince dozens or hundreds or thousands of others to try an Apple computer. If some manufacturer would sell a high quality laptop with a good GUI over some flavor of UNIX, I would probably buy it. For that matter, if Microsoft would take a page from the MacOS playbook, and sell a premium laptop with a new operating system built on UNIX foundations, I would switch in a second. But Microsoft is bound and determined to shove Windows 10 down the world's throat instead.

    At some point Apple is going to reach "peak iPhone", or it is going to stumble with the next iPhone upgrade, and the Apple revenue monoculture will crash and burn in a very big way. Cook will be out the door, and a new CEO will step in, who more likely than not will make things even worse. It will be a sad ending to a once great computer company.

    Perhaps at that point some manufacturer will shake off the "we must slavishly copy Apple" mindset and actually bring some innovation back to the laptop and desktop consumer computer market. The question is, will anyone care by the time it happens?

    1. Re:Lots of iPhone sales = "good years" by ghoul · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Apple was founded by a product manager, Microsoft by an Engineer. Engineer's think features are cool. Product managers are more focused on all of it just working together seamlessly even if has far fewer features. Apple has never innovated and been the lead on any technology. It has always been the fast copier and copied other people's innovations, simplified them, rounded the edges and come out with a product which "just works".

      For Apple's model to work there need to be other companies in the market doing the innovation. With the iPhone becoming a monster and capturing 90% of the profits in the smartphone market there is not much money left on the table for other companies to innovate so I do not expect any great advancements in the smartphone market.

      However there are other markets like voice assistants, AI, Cars etc where Apple can take the innovations of Engineer led companies like Google, Amazon, Tesla and repackage them as iProducts which "just work". Thats where Apple's growth will come from.

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    2. Re:Lots of iPhone sales = "good years" by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      I could never recommend to people that they buy Apple, knowing that you don't really get much in return for the added cost.

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    3. Re:Lots of iPhone sales = "good years" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what about next type innovation? why can't apple spend some of its cash on hand on something that will flop, but will be a precursor to another revolution?

    4. Re:Lots of iPhone sales = "good years" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple was the Disney of the computer makers.
      Take ideas from others and polish them.
      Now they polish turds.

    5. Re:Lots of iPhone sales = "good years" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "capturing 90% of the profits in the smartphone market"

      needs sourcing. the iphone has maintained a market share around the 15% mark in the past decade... not sure how that translates into profit - surely favorably for apple, but 90% sounds a bit much. if that were the case, the incentive for samsung to invest as heavily as they are in the smartphone market would just not be there.

    6. Re:Lots of iPhone sales = "good years" by garote · · Score: 1

      Haaahaha "engineer led".

      Google is not "engineer led". Sundar Pichai is a product manager and has been in charge for three years. Google's portfolio is stuffed full of "me too" products, building on the innovations of others, including every physical device they have ever made, and every iteration of Android in the last ten years. Their revenue stream is selling information to marketers. Everything else they do is in pursuit of that, or is a vanity project designed to position themselves in the market or maintain their hip mythos for recruiting purposes. Try working there for a few years. Engineers are not in charge there. Product and project managers call all the shots, and wield all the power, which they fight over like animals.

      Tesla is not "engineer led", it's CEO is a physicist who's spent almost all his career trying to act as - and then acting as - a CEO. Tesla is a company differentiated by a luxury brand, not innovation. All the innovation in electric vehicles it uses has been borrowed from earlier innovators, before and during its lifetime. For comparison, consider BMW and Honda. Those are what a more engineer-led company looks like in the car space.

      Amazon ... now you have something. Jeff Bezos definitely respects the value of good engineering, and has been one himself. In fact, the real distinction I would make here is between Apple and Amazon: Both are full of great engineers and product managers but Apple seems to have siphoned off all the good designers.

    7. Re:Lots of iPhone sales = "good years" by ghoul · · Score: 1

      If you have worked inside Apple you would know that whatever "Business" says is needed goes and to hell with SDLC, plans, QA . Google regularly slips dates to let the Engineers do it right.
      Apple designers do have a lot of political clout and force a lot of frustating changes on the Engineers. Engineers at Apple are pretty miserable but stay for the stock options. Engineers at Google are having fun.

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  18. Say what now??? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Apple has had a couple of innovative products, but nothing that really changed the way we live like the iPhone.

    Not quite to the same extent but tablets have changed things almost as much. Before Apple showed people would buy an iPad there were not many people who made tablets people would buy. That is transforming the PC industry...

    The touch bar isn't happening or if it is, it's not happening quick enough.

    I agree, but to me this is because Apple has not included it on any external keyboard. But it is really nice on the laptops. I think it would really take off if you could use it across all systems.

    Thunderbolt/USB3 is not happening soon enough.

    I'm not sure what you are saying here because USB3 is pretty much everywhere now, and tons of people use Thunderbolt for external storage and soon eGPU support. I'd say Thunderbolt has done really well and has a bright future.

    The iPhone X has slow adoption rates, but that's fine.

    Not even close to true - "Best selling phone since launch". It is a real shift and a great update, like they say the platform for the next ten years. FaceID is a massive biometric leap over TouchID in terms of usefulness.

    Apple is trying to shift the iPad into the consumer/entry level developer world and that's just not happening.

    I think you are trying to talk about Playgrounds here? It's a side thing at best for the iPads, which are instead mainly focused on moving into professional use - and that is going quite well.

    Steve Jobs had probably a four year road map when he departed.

    Try 15-50. Obviously details change as time passes but he was a big fan of longer term thinking and it's not unreasonable to predict a lot of stuff that would be generally possibly ten years out just thinking about what kinds of things are in the R&D pipeline as far as material science and manufacturing go.

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    1. Re:Say what now??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do people buy $400 drive or GPU Thunderbolt enclosures? Seems niche. Like the days of Apple III, PET etc. where a hard drive was external and cost a fuck ton. And we have USB3 for $50 drives or $20 enclosures.

    2. Re:Say what now??? by Holi · · Score: 1

      Thunderbolt/USB3 is not Apple, That would be Intel.

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    3. Re:Say what now??? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      A LOT of professional users buy expensive external enclosures - video and photography professionals especially.

      eGPU is early days but for neural network use (and probably cryptocurrency mining, sigh) I think it will see some good uptake. That probably will remain a niche.

      External storage use is defiantly beyond niche at this point (especially for RAID users).

      And we have USB3 for $50 drives or $20 enclosures.

      That's in much wider use of course and always will be, but that does not mean there is not a large market for very fast external storage especially as SSD's grow more common.

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    4. Re: Say what now??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SCSI all over again. A niche choice. Slightly faster. Much more expensive.

  19. Really Really? by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Informative

    That must explain the premature removal of all USB 3.0 type A ports

    iMac pro still has them. But it's not premature at all, things are rapidly moving to USB-C and I say good riddance to a connector you have to try five times before it plugs in right. People will never move if you don't nudge them.

    the soldering of RAM on motherboards

    Only on laptops.

    the lack of decent Mac mini and Macbook Air updates.

    Macbook Pro is thin enough is has essentially replaced the Air.

    As for the Mini, I'm sure we'll see a revamp before too long. It's not like processors have had a massive leap in that time, all an update would bring is better I/O options (which still would be welcome).

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    1. Re:Really Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      let's say you want to plug the same hard drive on a TV then on the macbookpro, now you can't because the USB isn't the same. oops

      It's not 1998, we don't replace computers every three years.

    2. Re:Really Really? by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      But it's not premature at all, things are rapidly moving to USB-C

      Really? Apple consulted all their users and made sure they had more USB-C flash drives and hubs then USB-A so that they wouldn't be hurting convienence? I must have missed my turn.

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    3. Re:Really Really? by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      As for the Mini, I'm sure we'll see a revamp before too long. It's not like processors have had a massive leap in that time, all an update would bring is better I/O options (which still would be welcome).

      Here's a dirty little secret. The Mini is the worst selling mac of the entire lineup. Not because it's way outdated (but that's a factor), but it just never moved as many units. Even when it was a PowerPC Mac when Steve Jobs was around.

      Now, one thing Tim Cook is good at is keeping products that "coast" alive as long as possible. If Steve Jobs was still around, he'd kill both the Mac Pro and Mac MIni as literally, they never sold. In fact, there was good period of time when companies pleaded with Jobs to keep the Mini alive because rumors were strong that Apple was going to kill it.

      With Tim Cook in charge, he's of the opinion that while it may not sell well, it still sells, and Apple would rather keep a product on the market they can still build and sell than really kill it and end all sales. That's why the iPod pretty much coasted as long as it did - honestly it should've been killed years ago, but Tim Cook kept it going basically until parts ran out and Apple couldn't build any more.

      Likely the Mac Mini is the same - it doesn't sell well, but it sells, and maybe this year Apple will commit some engineering resources to build a new version - not much, mind you, since you don't want to pre-spend all your profit away from Mini sales unless it's likely to perk up sales. And given the sales history, it's not likely. However, updates are generally cheap, so new processor options will keep it alive. But a top-down redesign isn't likely

    4. Re:Really Really? by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

      let's say you want to plug the same hard drive on a TV then on the macbookpro, now you can't because the USB isn't the same.

      I *can* because I spent $4 on a set of adaptor cables.

      Talk about "oops" on your part! Were you seriously not aware you could use USB-A devices with a simple cheap adaptor.

      How far Slashdot as fallen when posters here do not understand the relation between USB A and C.

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    5. Re:Really Really? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      But it's not premature at all, things are rapidly moving to USB-C

      Really? If you go and buy an iPhone X what USB cable does it come with?

      The move to adopt USB-C was not mature. The move to ditch USB Type A was. There's zero reason for not having both on a device in 2018.

    6. Re:Really Really? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      That must explain the premature removal of all USB 3.0 type A ports
      iMac pro still has them. But it's not premature at all, things are rapidly moving to USB-C and I say good riddance to a connector you have to try five times before it plugs in right. People will never move if you don't nudge them.

      I'm not against USB-C, I'm against removing USB 3.0 type A prematurely. You can say what you want about USB-C but it's still a mess knowing what protocols are supported even if your cable does fit in the socket. It also requires the connections to the CPU, limiting the number of USB-C ports you can add to a computer depending on the CPU. Computers that cannot support three or four USB-C ports could at least have two USB-C ports and two USB 3.0 ports.

      the soldering of RAM on motherboards
      Only on laptops.

      Nope. RAM is also soldered on the motherboard in the Mac mini and in the 21" iMac. The 21" iMac does have 8GB on-board and can be upgraded later but it requires disassembling the computer.

      the lack of decent Mac mini and Macbook Air updates.
      Macbook Pro is thin enough is has essentially replaced the Air.

      MacBook Air is now the entry-level Apple laptop, it has nothing to do with being thin anymore. Tim Cook said Apple wasn't making hardware for the rich but they keep dropping the low-end options and keep increasing their prices by adding expensive gimmicks like that stupid touch bar.

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  20. "I hope Steve's next thing is great, too!" by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    Apple CEO Tim Cook: "God damn it, I'm lucky Steve Jobs existed!"

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  21. iPhone is overrated by ghoul · · Score: 1

    The iPhone did not change our lives. The Appstore did. And what made the Appstore successfull was the mortgage crises. Suddenly we had a lot of unemployed programmers willing to devote their coding time for free in hopes of winning the appstore lottery. A lot of coding got done for free which Apple could never have afforded to pay for and quantity has a quality of its own. Throw enough monkeys at a typewriter and you get hamlet. Throw enough unemployed coders at the appstore and you get innovative apps. With the economy recovering this free pool is no longer there. Dont blame Cook , blame the economy. For Apple's next spurt of growth we need another economic crash.
    Same with Uber- Uber's economic model only works if you have a lot of unemployed people who already own nice cars and need to make their car payments. Once the economy recovered Uber has been bleeding money to keep going. Either they will crack the self driving car puzzle or they will go bankrupt by 2020.

    Of course Apple has positioned itself for success with the Apple Watch, Homepod and Home Automation frameworks. Now all it needs is another recession and an avalanche of unemployed programmers coding apps for free for these platforms to have Cook look like a visionary par excellence

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  22. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I remember changing a component on a friends original, CRT, iMac that would be a few second job on a standard PC and took ages and risked wrecking the whole device. My point is it isn't spot on to say that Tim Cook has somehow changed apple and suddenly it's hard to change components; they've been making devices where it is extremely difficult or effectively impossible to change them for nearly 20 years.

    I don't use Macs but to be fair to them the trend towards more difficult to upgrade devices hasn't been restricted to just them, if anything they are probably closer to the average of the industry now than they were under Steve Jobs because it is becoming more common for other suppliers to use non-replaceable components to save on space or cost, and having just spent over £200 more on an XPS just to get an extra 8GB of ram even the gouging on upgrades isn't an apple only idea anymore.

  23. The real visionary never left by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Jobs main talent was he was easily annoyed, which led to finding products that fixed annoyances.

    However I;d say he was more salesman than visionary,

    The thing that made the products Apple came out with really refined and useful, was the input that the true visionary - Ives - came up with. Apple is not short on ideas to this day, but would really have trouble if it did not have someone like Ives to shape them.

    The proof is in the pudding, as in the fact that Apple really has not had a decline since Jobs left - at any other company disaster would have followed soon after.

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    1. Re:The real visionary never left by imgod2u · · Score: 0

      I get the feeling Jobs was good at reigning in some of Ive's more out-there ideas and only keeping the good parts. He probably also kept Ives on-point instead of letting him go off and design storefronts or t-shirts or whatever the fuck he wanted while the main product line lingered.

      The phone needed the X update like 2 years ago. We should be on 3rd gen OLED by now with a much more radical design change. But Ive was too busy hanging out with Taylor Swift or something.

    2. Re:The real visionary never left by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      I get the feeling Jobs was good at reigning in some of Ive's more out-there ideas and only keeping the good parts

      Jobs was certainly better at that but I feel like Apple has a team that keeps him more reigned in than he would be otherwise. With the possible exception of the new offices...

      We should be on 3rd gen OLED by now

      There I disagree. I feel like OLED's were all over the map in terms of quality until just recently, like color shifts and screen sharpness from what I saw of earlier (and even some recent) Samsung phones. Even now if I play a video on an iPhone X and iPhone 6, it will appear slightly sharper on the 6. I'm still pretty happy with the X display but that is a knock I've seen against all OLED displays generally that I have to acknowledge seems true. Jobs wouldn't have accepted earlier OLED display quirks.

      I think that is also why other phone makers are not adopting OLED in huge numbers either still apart from Samsung. But it is good Apple has got that incremental quality upgrade train rolling on the displays at last.

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  24. Innovation? by YuppieScum · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The last "innovative" product Apple produced was iTunes.

    MP3 players existed long before the iPod, but iTunes allowed trivial point/click to buy and download, and at the same time locked you in to their ecosystem.

    The iPhone was just an extension of the iPod by way of the Touch. Smart-phones (with rounded corners) had existed for some years beforehand, and were certainly more functional that the iPhone version 1 - cut/paste and MMS, anybody?

    Likewise the iPad - again, nothing innovative, as other similar products existed before the Apple offering.

    The MacBook Air only "innovated" by removing functionality from a standard laptop, such as optical drives, ethernet ports, multiple USBs and, of course, user-upgradability and removable batteries.

    What else? Firewire wasn't theirs, likewise Thunderbolt. AirPods? Maybe, if they worked properly...

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    1. Re:Innovation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The MacBook Air only "innovated" by removing functionality from a standard laptop, such as optical drives, ethernet ports, multiple USBs and, of course, user-upgradability and removable batteries.
       

      Yes, and making it ridiculously light and easy to carry around. They basically invented the ultralight form factor--which may people pooh-poohed at the time. Sometime removing the excess is an improvement, as evidenced by the fact of (a) Apple is selling a lot of these units, and (b) other OEMs copying Apple.

      What else? Firewire wasn't theirs, likewise Thunderbolt. AirPods? Maybe, if they worked properly...

      Neither Edison, nor Tesla, invented electrical distribution, but they both took many existing ideas and made them mainstream.

      I think you are confusing "invention" with "innovation":

      Innovation can be defined simply as a "new idea, device or method".[1] However, innovation is often also viewed as the application of better solutions that meet new requirements, unarticulated needs, or existing market needs.[2] This is accomplished through more-effective products, processes, services, technologies, or business models that are readily available to markets, governments and society. The term "innovation" can be defined as something original and more effective and, as a consequence, new, that "breaks into" the market or society.[3] It is related to, but not the same as, invention,[4] as innovation is more apt to involve the practical implementation of an invention (i.e. new/improved ability) to make a meaningful impact in the market or society,[5] and not all innovations require an invention. Innovation is often manifested via the engineering process, when the problem being solved is of a technical or scientific nature. The opposite of innovation is exnovation.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innovation

  25. Translation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I've never faced adversity, so when it comes, the company is probably screwed."

  26. Sculley only had "good years" too... by crgrace · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... until he didn't.

    Like Cook, John Sculley was handed a pipeline of innovation. Sculley was a business manager, like Cook, and was successful in reducing some of Apples destructive excesses. However, besides his childlike fascination with the Newton, he didn't really have any kind of vision for the company and it was inevitable that Apple would hit a wall, because direct competition with Microsoft was suicide (as Apple would soon learn).

    Sculley's greatest weakness, in my opinion, was that he didn't have the courage of his own convictions, and let a few inner-circle trusted managers whisper into his ear (*cough* Jean-Louis Gassee).

    I have no idea if Cook is taking direction from anyone, but he seems focused on his strength, supply chain management. This will continue to increase or maintain Apple's profits while it coasts. It will work great, until it doesn't.

    Apple may have yet another reckoning in the somewhat near future. The way they are focusing like a laser on iPhone and seemingly forgetting they have a really profitable Mac business will be their undoing in my opinion. Just look at how much the quality of Apple's system and some of its application software has declined over the last few years. It used to "just work" and now is finicky, bloated, and cumbersome. It is difficult to make the argument that MacOS is miles ahead of Windows, which you could do for years.

    We shall see.

    1. Re:Sculley only had "good years" too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is difficult to make the argument that MacOS is miles ahead of Windows, which you could do for years.

      Apple's still ahead, in my opinion, but Microsoft is busy preparing to club Cupertino over the head with Linux of all things.

      Let's face it - a GNU userland is superior to Apple's BSD flavoring. Even Netcraft confirms it, amirite?

      Once WSL irons out the Windows Firewall weirdness, and gets a decent terminal that isn't pants... Apple's going to lose an important driver of their laptop sales.

    2. Re:Sculley only had "good years" too... by imgod2u · · Score: 1

      The quality of iOS matters a whole lot more than the quality of MacOS. MacOS's only real purpose these days is for a limited market; there are plenty of people who get by with just an iOS device and a really cheap Windows (or Chrome) laptop.

      iOS has been, however, not only stagnant but buggy as hell over the last few versions. Meanwhile Android has made really large strides getting more polished.

    3. Re:Sculley only had "good years" too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been using iOS for 5 months now and have never once encountered a bug or even a crash - something I felt was fairly common with my old Samsung S6. I wish there was a back button, and some of the design decisions are not to my liking, but there's been nothing as brain dead as Android 5 deciding putting the phone on vibrate should also mute the alarm clock.

  27. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Increasing prices on the same old crap, no wonder externally we couldn't see the excitement... I think they started handing out the Apple cool-aid inside the spaceship now. I want to buy Apple products, but not the way things are going. Quality has gone WAY downhill, prices have gone up and there's no innovation - nobody wants touch bar crap or wireless headphones to lose. This Macbook air might be my last Apple product the way things are going.

  28. iPhone X best selling smartphone in the world by TimHunter · · Score: 3, Informative

    I posted this link in an earlier Apple article, but it needs repeating:

    "iPhone X was the best selling smartphone in the world in the December quarter according to Canalys and it has been our best selling phone every week since it launched." -- Tim Cook http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2018/02/apples-iphone-x-is-the-instant-scapegoat-for-samsungs-failure-to-win-oled-orders-from-chinese-vendors.html

    1. Re:iPhone X best selling smartphone in the world by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

      ... it has been our best selling phone every week since it launched...

      So the iPhoneX has been Apple's best-selling phone every week since it was launched, meaning it outsold all the other iPhone models each of those weeks. Note that Mr Cook was very careful in that wording. What he did not say was that the iPhoneX was Apples best-ever selling phone each week, he said just that it outsold the other iPhone models each week. He also did not speak of the January-March 2018 quarter that had the lowered parts order forecasts.

      .
      So, will the iPhoneX continue the initial surge it saw in December? Or now that the Apple fanbois have all bought their iPhoneX, will it have difficulty appealing to a wider population?

  29. Lots of revenue != Good products by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    McDonalds sells billions of burgers but are not known for gourmet products, and Apple hasn't sold premium products for years. Remember when G5s were the envy of power users and when MacBook pros came in 17 inches with DVD drives and a full complement of ports. Tim Cook is now leading a Facebook machine company, and when people leave Facebook due to privacy violations they will leave Apple.

  30. Re:Really? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 0

    All this stuff is bad for the consumer, but it improves Apple's profitability.

    Well, he did say that he has only had good years . . . not that Apple's customers have had only good years.

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  31. Re:Really? by Holi · · Score: 1

    They have been doing that since day 1

    "As an example, the Macintosh was supposed to have only 17 address lines on the motherboard, enough to support 128k of system RAM, but the design team added an additional two address lines without Jobs's knowledge, making it possible to expand the computer to 512k, although the actual act of upgrading system RAM was difficult and required piggybacking additional RAM chips overtop the onboard 4164 chips. In September 1984, after months of complaints over the Mac's inadequate RAM, Apple released an official 512k machine. Although this had always been planned from the beginning, Steve Jobs maintained if the user desired more RAM than the Mac 128 provided, he should simply pay extra money for a Mac 512 rather than upgrade the computer himself."

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  32. Bring back... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Scott Forestall!

  33. Re:Really? by supremebob · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I don't think that your typical Apple user really cares about such technical things. They just want the cool looking phone or watch that Beyonce has.

    Sure, us people in IT get screwed by these technical decisions, but we usually aren't the ones who approve the purchase orders for this stuff.

  34. Re:Really? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

    Oh wait, no it doesn't.

    Only if you don't bother reading the article or the summary. He's clearly talking about things like finance and sales. In that sense, Apple has never had a bad financial year when he's been CEO. Even though they had a sales decline in FY2016, they still booked $215B in sales which was less than the $233B FY2015 and then rebounded with $229 for FY 2017. They were, of course, very profitable all those years. PR and technology wise you can argue all you want.

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  35. Re:Moscow Donald to America - I've only had Treaso by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Burma Shave

  36. I've only had Michelins myself. by Ensign_Expendable · · Score: 1

    Oh.

    1. Re:I've only had Michelins myself. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honestly, this was a very cheesy joke... but I did chuckle. You deserve a higher rating than you have.

  37. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they've been making devices where it is extremely difficult or effectively impossible to change them for nearly 20 years.

    At least 30 years. I had to buy a special screwdriver (Torx head) to open up an SE in 1988.

  38. Good years for a MBA by mysidia · · Score: 1

    - it was like $6 billion every year -- those were some incredibly good years because you could begin to feel the pipeline getting better

    Yeah.... Cook has just been making the process for profiting from PAST innovations more efficient ---- sure the revenue is great in the short term, but you're in an industry that's innovate or die, and Cook has killed innovation AND excellence of Apple notebooks it seems like:
    Your customers really don't want the silly touchbar, loss of physical power button, SSDs and RAM SOLDERED ---- nobody wants the headphone jack gone on the iPhones.

    Apple was late to the "watch" party; the Apple watch and other new hardware is laggard of other Android-based tech that does less than the other tech with poorer technical specs.

    AirPods

    Apple's "AirPods" are overpriced, easy to lose, Not great in terms of audio quality, AND a "Solution" to a problem Apple created.

  39. Sell less but raise prices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you look at what Apple has done under Cook. They have lost iPod, they have failed to upgrade a lot of entry Mac's. They have created a higher priced iPhone. They have seen the iPad level off and decline. But clearly Apple has made up the loses of product sales on increasing margins. Its brilliant for Apple, but not so great for Apple customers.

  40. Re: Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A special very long shaft torx.

    You can get the right size of long shaft flat screwdriver to work... to pull out the torx screws one time and replace them with phillips head screws that 'the rest of us' can work with.

  41. Re:Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or you could, you know, not buy an Apple product? Honestly, why do you put up with such abuse?

  42. Re:Really? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 0

    I put up with it because I need to build iOS applications from time to time, and Apple have carefully tied that to being able to run the latest macOS.

    Just like back when I needed to build Windows applications I needed to have a machine which run the latest Visual Studio. Which meant you needed to use the latest version of Windows.

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  43. Re:Really? by F1re · · Score: 1

    Since Mac day one maybe. Apple 2 could be opened with no tools and had a heap of expansion ports.

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