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Google Is Buying Innovative Camera Startup Lytro For $40 Million (techcrunch.com)

According to TechCrunch, Google is acquiring Lytro, the imaging startup that began as a ground-breaking camera company for consumers before pivoting to use its depth-data, light-field technology in VR. From the report: One source described the deal as an "asset sale" with Lytro going for no more than $40 million. Another source said the price was even lower: $25 million and that it was shopped around -- to Facebook, according to one source; and possibly to Apple, according to another. A separate person told us that not all employees are coming over with the company's technology: some have already received severance and parted ways with the company, and others have simply left. Assets would presumably also include Lytro's 59 patents related to light-field and other digital imaging technology. The sale would be far from a big win for Lytro and its backers. The startup has raised just over $200 million in funding and was valued at around $360 million after its last round in 2017, according to data from PitchBook. Its long list of investors include Andreessen Horowitz, Foxconn, GSV, Greylock, NEA, Qualcomm Ventures and many more. Rick Osterloh, SVP of hardware at Google, sits on Lytro's board. A pricetag of $40 million is not quite the exit that was envisioned for the company when it first launched its camera concept, and in the words of investor Ben Horowitz, "blew my brains to bits."

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  1. how is this matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    company raised lots of startup capital and sold for cheap, who cares

    1. Re: how is this matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It could be awesome. I thought it looked neat a few years ago when I came across Lytro.

  2. That's what we called.. by SigIO · · Score: 1

    ..a "Take Under" back in the dot-com bust days. Good times.

    1. Re: That's what we called.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. It's what we called a fucked company. Everyone loses including the buyer who will shelf it and toss the few employees they kept if any are still around in a year.

    2. Re:That's what we called.. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      The VCs already put in $200M, and they likely had a controlling stake, so they had to acquiesce to this sale. Most likely they faced a choice of either putting up more capital, or selling it at a loss for whatever they could recover.

    3. Re:That's what we called.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This isn't really the same thing. the dot-com shit was really just filled with shit ideas. People were pumping money into anything that could get a domain name. Stuff like Lytro actually has tech value and engineering going on. Even the SAS acquisitions generally make sense because they are providing actual products (maybe not stuff that you use) or have tech that's valuable.

      I know people around here really just want to see another dot-com bust happen, probably because they missed out on the investment opportunities that came right after it, but we're not exactly close to that same situation.

    4. Re: That's what we called.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The VCs already put in $200M, and they likely had a controlling stake, so they had to acquiesce to this sale. Most likely they faced a choice of either putting up more capital, or selling it at a loss for whatever they could recover.

      Congratulations Bill, you've described what VCs do. Except for the bit where they hit a 100:1 return on every 20 or so investments.

    5. Re:That's what we called.. by mikael · · Score: 1

      Are peapod.com still around? getgooey.com? That website that would let you get all your financial letters scanned in digitally and sent by email so you wouldn't have to have the hassle of opening them yourself?

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    6. Re:That's what we called.. by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      Peapod is still around and popular in the East Coast of the US. Delivering groceries is actually useful.

    7. Re: That's what we called.. by xvan · · Score: 1

      That would make 400% returns.

  3. All acquisitions should be regulated by Sebby · · Score: 1

    Seems to me pretty soon only a select few (read: humongous) companies will own/run everything.

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    1. Re:All acquisitions should be regulated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Open your eyes bro, they already do.

    2. Re:All acquisitions should be regulated by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Informative

      Seems to me pretty soon only a select few (read: humongous) companies will own/run everything.

      They already do. Most of the items you buy will be from one of 10 companies. .

      Click that image to embiggen it, because practically everything you eat, drink, or clean yourself with will be there.

    3. Re:All acquisitions should be regulated by Rolgar · · Score: 1

      This is why we should have within the rules about corporations that ownership should pass to the employees over time if the company gets over a certain size. After the company grows to 10 employees, then the employees get 5% of the company every year until the founder only owns 10%. The founder can retain all voting rights until he chooses to release them, then they go to the employees as well. The owner can only sell his shares to the employee group. Destroy the stock market, and the power of the big companies to ruin the economy in one big swoop. Get rid of the income disparity. Lots of good would come of this.

  4. Good Luck to Them by mentil · · Score: 2

    I had a feeling they were going to be acquired by someone, it could've been worse than Google. Google's more likely to license the patents and tech than to sit on it all and make it exclusive to Google platforms. Cardboard/Daydream have decent penetration in the VR marketplace, but I can't see Google making lightfield videos exclusive to those. Facebook/Oculus has enough games/experiences 'exclusive' to their platform that they might've done that, though.

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    1. Re:Good Luck to Them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well the one decent camera they made did not take videos only stills and therein lies the big problem. For photography the technology simply was not the game changer they envisioned. The idea of scenes with objects on many different focus planes that are turned into interactive 2D pictures that the viewer can refocus is completely contrived. Also, when they finally had a decent camera to offer the high end photography market already started to saturate and all but a few companies where already wondering how to keep making a profit from cameras.

    2. Re:Good Luck to Them by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Its pretty much what google does with streetview right now. Maybe this will help with google's mapping operations.

    3. Re:Good Luck to Them by pjt33 · · Score: 1

      The idea of scenes with objects on many different focus planes that are turned into interactive 2D pictures that the viewer can refocus is completely contrived.

      Completely agree. But the idea of being able to take a snap shot without any delay to focus and later pick the focus point and depth of field is a genuinely interesting one, and has applications in certain types of photography. Particularly in wildlife and sports photography, where the subject can move fast. Unfortunately, those particular applications also often want long focal lengths, which Lytro didn't offer.

    4. Re:Good Luck to Them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or gets even better when you have a light field display that your eye can refocus on.
      I'm surprised MagicLeap didn't buy them. I suppose it it all way too low res at the moment for any AR/VR Light field video.

  5. Innovative Camera Startup ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More like fake innovation startup created for the purpose of selling the name.

    At a sale value of just $40M, the company had nothing real that created value. Basically vaporware

    1. Re:Innovative Camera Startup ? by Camembert · · Score: 1

      Incorrect, they had working cameras. Not vaporware.

    2. Re:Innovative Camera Startup ? by jolyonr · · Score: 1

      But it was a bit of a sham. Their '40 megaray' camera had an actual still image equivalent resolution of 0.4 megapixels (which they went to great lengths to hide) - so it was always a toy rather than a serious tool.

      See: http://www.everyothershot.com/...

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    3. Re:Innovative Camera Startup ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The first commercially available digital camera, the Fujix DS-IP, had a 0.4 MP resolution as well. It took a very long time for digital cameras to even remotely compete with regular film cameras for this very reason. They were novelties. Toys. But every technology has to start somewhere. In 30 years every camera might be a light field camera, especially if AR takes off. Lytro will probably be long forgotten, a footnote on a Wikipedia page at best.

    4. Re: Innovative Camera Startup ? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      I foolishly brought a 640x480 camera as my only camera on my honeymoon in 1998. The slow shutter was as bad as the resolution. Now my 2015 cell phone has as good a sensor as the best pro camera from 2005 and a pro camera today is better than the human eye. Given the rate of technology growth, I expect by 2030 we won't be worrying about exposure or focus when we take the pictures in the field. Lens size doesn't get a pass from physics though.

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    5. Re: Innovative Camera Startup ? by jolyonr · · Score: 1

      The specific issue with the Lytro Illum is that it uses a ~40 megapixel traditional sensor to create an 0.4 megapixel "live" image - so even in the future if we were to get a camera that produced a more usable 8 megapixel live image it would need an 800 megapixels sensor to capture that 'live' data. Now, bear in mind the size of the lytro files would then be the size of the 800 megapixel image.

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    6. Re:Innovative Camera Startup ? by orgelspieler · · Score: 1

      That's not entirely a fair comparison. The traditional notion of resolution is not what a light field camera seeks to maximize. It captures different/more data than a traditional camera that cannot be rendered in traditional resolution terms. Once you choose the focal length to render the data at, then you have an image with a resolution of 0.4MP but the fact that you can change the focus after the fact is something that a traditional digital camera cannot even attempt. That being said, for most web design and small prints, even 0.4MP is just fine. Not the best, but passable.

      The issue I have with the phrase "innovative camera startup" is the word "startup." I remember hearing about Lytro a long time ago in the pages of IEEE Spectrum. (Googled it. November of 2011) I didn't realize that still constituted a startup.

      The funny thing is now some cameras just fake out the light field thing by taking two additional shots with longer and shorter focus, and interpolate. It is a little hacky, but reasonable.

      I have always thought lightfield cameras could be used in conjunction with VR if there was some way for the image to know what part your eye was trying to focus on. If you track the pupil of the viewer just right, you could theoretically allow somebody to change their field of focus in real time. That would make VR much more realistic. My biggest headach with existing VR tech is that when my eyes drift to the things that aren't in focus (like the background) I can't focus on it. Lytro could be the first step in changing that.

    7. Re:Innovative Camera Startup ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Such a camera may be a toy for photography but it may be an excellent camera for computer vision. Particularly if you don't need to assume RGB output.

      Google got a hell of a deal on this.

  6. Can't say I'm surprised... by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

    I can't say I'm surprised... as I said back in 2012, when Lytro first hit the market:

    But that's where Lytro misses the bus... It's priced above the average consumer's price range, requires more fiddling and diddling, and requires Lytro's proprietary web based software - all to produce a picture that would be the pride of 2002.

    It ends up being a solution in search of a problem. Too much for consumers, too little for prosumers and professionals.

     
    I knew the end was approaching a year or two ago when they started dumping their cameras on Amazon far below their original MSRP. Hmm... Looked at their website for the first time in forever, and they don't even talk about their consumer equipment anymore.

    1. Re:Can't say I'm surprised... by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      I'm fairly sure that using the word "prosumer" is punishable by a hefty fine and several months in prison in most countries.

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    2. Re:Can't say I'm surprised... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm fairly sure that using the word "prosumer" is punishable by a hefty fine and several months in prison in most countries.

      No, you just wish it was.

    3. Re:Can't say I'm surprised... by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      It's a common term in the camera industry and circles. I'm fairly sure you're simply clueless and need to get out more.

  7. Camera has possibilities by DavidHumus · · Score: 1

    I bought one of their early models for $79 a few years ago. It is funny-looking - a rectangular box about the size of a hot-dog - but is intriguing for its possibilities. The image you get actually includes depth information. One of the fun things you can do is create a 3-D image from the single-lens shot.

  8. inherent to the technology by DrYak · · Score: 1

    But it was a bit of a sham. Their '40 megaray' camera had an actual still image equivalent resolution of 0.4 megapixels

    That's inherent to the technology.

    The whole idea behind this light field photography, is that the 40mega pixel sensors receives an array of ~1000 (a matrix of 16x16) sub images.
    That gives you ~400k pixels per sub-image, but the final image that you get out isn't just on of the 400k pixel of the image, it's what you get by doing computations based on all the 40m pixels that the sensors captured.

    That's why the 400k pixels aren't much relevant (they weren't kept "hidden in a conspiracy", they where mostly non relevant to the quality of the image).

    That's also why they definitely cannot call the 40mege pixel of the sensors "40 mega pixels", because they won't directly translate into pixels of the final image (unlike a classical camera).
    It's artificially generated picture which use an array of 40 million of data point to infer it.
    Hence the funny "40 mega rays" name.

    Now whether this is useful and can be actually leveraged for the en user ?
    meh...

    Probably not in the current form (big expensive camera, as huge and heavy as top DSLR, but producing less high quality pics, but with the added gimmick that you can do the focus *in-post* instead of before taking the picture) - it was basically a technological curiosity wrapped in a way to much expensive shell.

    But it can *definitely* have some success in *smartphones*.

    No matter how much high you pump the number of (theoretical) pixels in the sensor, there's only so much light that can cover a given surface.
    Current smartphones are hitting physical len limitations hard (even more so because they have even thinner bodies).

    Light field photography could be also away to get more image quality out of thin smartphone bodies (Instead of have 1 or 2 pinholes over corresponding tiny sensors, future smartphone could have a huge area at the back of the phone covered by a whole array of micro lens. Think the combined dual-camera tendency turned up to eleven) and doing the focusing in post-processing being as common as picking up instagram filters.

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  9. Google making an Eyetap? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Light field camera sensor is probably a necessary precursor for an Eyetap HMD, as the AREMAC display probably needs knowledge about the scene to adjust focus more accurately.