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More Than 75 Percent of Earth's Land Areas Are 'Broken,' Major Report Finds (vice.com)

Like a broken cell phone that can only text or take pictures, but not make a single call, more than 75 percent of the Earth's land areas have lost some or most of their functions, undermining the well-being of the 3.2 billion people that rely on them to produce food crops, provide clean water, control flooding and more. From a report: These once-productive lands have either become deserts, are polluted, or have been deforested and converted for unsustainable agricultural production. This is a major contributor to increased conflict and mass human migration, and left unchecked, could force as many as 700 million to migrate by 2050, according to the world's first comprehensive evidence-based assessment of land degradation, released today in MedellÃn, Colombia.

Land degradation -- including deforestation, soil erosion, and salinity and pollution of fresh water systems -- is also driving species to extinction and aggravating the effects of climate change, the report concludes. It was written by more than 100 leading experts from 45 countries for the Intergovernmental Science-Policy Platform on Biodiversity and Ecosystem Services (IPBES). IPBES is the 'IPCC for biodiversity,' a scientific assessment of the status of non-human life that makes up the Earth's life support system.

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  1. Oh for fuck's sake by SensitiveMale · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Can we please stop saying that anything that has any type of problem is "broken?"

    1. Re:Oh for fuck's sake by datavirtue · · Score: 2

      Yeah, as my eyes slid over the cell phone analogy I had to check the date (April 1st??) because I no longer knew what the fuck they were talking about.

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    2. Re:Oh for fuck's sake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or a Harry Potter analogy in anything related to guns.

    3. Re:Oh for fuck's sake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I double checked my LAN and everything looks fine so I hope it is not broken. Then, I did a double take! That's funny CROFLOL!

    4. Re:Oh for fuck's sake by Lucas123 · · Score: 2

      I'm still puzzled as to why the poster would use an analogy between a "broken" cell phone and pollution/deforestation.

    5. Re:Oh for fuck's sake by mspohr · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, if the land is no longer capable of supporting plants and animals, it is broken; it doesn't work; doesn't perform its desired function.
      Sometimes it can be fixed. Other times not so much.

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    6. Re:Oh for fuck's sake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      And more often then not, such as in the cases of the tundra in northern Canada, Tibet, the Himalayas, the high Andes, Sahara, Gobi or many others, it was broken to begin with with no human involvement what so ever (or even human presence).
      Statistics like the one in story are just bullshit pushing a political agenda (yeah yeah - I'm sure it can be fixed with a multi-billion dollar grant to some institute/government or other entity... uh huh.).

    7. Re:Oh for fuck's sake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Posted by msmash.
      Needs no further explanation.

    8. Re:Oh for fuck's sake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How tf you're still an editor here with your incoherent dribble and sophomoric attacks on anyone who has something say about it is so fucking beyond me.

    9. Re:Oh for fuck's sake by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Note that they consider land that was changed to forest to farmland as "broken". I guess changing land to feed more people is a bad thing? Back to hunter-gatherers for all! Oops, we can't hunt, that's cruel and inhumane, so just gatherers from here on out...

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    10. Re: Oh for fuck's sake by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      Simpleton much?

    11. Re:Oh for fuck's sake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Millenials are destroying the car analogy with their cell phone analogies

    12. Re:Oh for fuck's sake by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      COUGH* Fake account *COUGH

    13. Re:Oh for fuck's sake by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Most of the world's farmland is so "broken" that the problem in most countries is people getting fat. This now includes such historically poor places as South Korea, China and growing swaths of India. The areas that are actually in trouble are for the most part where farmers are being massacred by whatever latest tribe of bloodthirsty savages happens to be radiating from the Middle East this year. Al Shabab and Boko Haram are not environmental problems.

    14. Re:Oh for fuck's sake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Most of the world's farmland is so "broken" that the problem in most countries is people getting fat.

      Modern farming practices have in fact reduced biodiversity for decades, and have in many cases impoverished the land of organic materials. It is stupid to try to brush this aside as irrelevant, since much if not most of our food production ultimately relies on a healthy ecology. Farmers use an enormous - and rising - amount of pesticides, artificial fertilisers etc etc, so you would expect that they gain an huge plus from doing this, right? In fact, compared to organic farmers, they only produce 20% more - and then about 30% of all food produced is thrown out uneaten. Doesn't that look stupidly wrong to you?

      This isn't about romantic dreams of wild flowers and birds singing prettily in hedges and groves - the ecology forms a very complex network, where almost all parts are connected to each other in some ways that we don't even understand all that well. But we wantonly destroy our remaining wild environments for short term profit, like idiots. Maybe we deserve what is coming, but does the next generation deserve it?

    15. Re:Oh for fuck's sake by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Most of the world's farmland is so "broken" that the problem in most countries is people getting fat.

      Obesity has very little to do with how much farming we produce. Hell if we had more farm and people ate more products from said farms we may not be so fat. And I appreciate the irony of saying this while chowing down on some deep fried processed shit for lunch.

    16. Re:Oh for fuck's sake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And boomers are so stupid they can't understand why anybody that is younger than them could possibly want to live a life as great as theirs was... they've shit all over the economy and totally fucked up the planet. But that's all the fault of the younger generation, right?

    17. Re:Oh for fuck's sake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Statistics like the one in story are just bullshit pushing a political agenda

      A "political agenda" sujests a contentious idea. Do you find the idea of being able to sustain a modern civilisation offensive to your own peculiar ideology?

    18. Re:Oh for fuck's sake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize that the processed deep fried shit that you're eating started at a farm, right?

    19. Re:Oh for fuck's sake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Desired function" WTF?

      It's "desired" function is as a parking lot. It's desired function is as a landfill. It's desire function is as a mine waste pit. And, in those functions, it is functioning just fine.

      If you all want to pack it in on modern society and go off to subsistence live in the woods, go right ahead. No one is going to stop you.

    20. Re:Oh for fuck's sake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is all about specifics. If you ask people "do you want clean air, and avoid things going extinct", then the vast majority of people will answer yes - and, yes, that includes the evil people from the other side of the political aisle.
      The organization that pushes this (meaningless) stat, however has some idea on what exactly should be done. At this point, the disagreements start. Some see the answer coming from funding government programs and conservation, others see it through technology, and others come up with other solutions still.

      It's been my experience that these types of arguments (aka sensational "OMG the world is ending!" headlines), are most often used by people interested in solutions that results in: larger taxes, a bigger more centralized more powerful government, and austerity measures applied to the people (ruling class is exempt of course). I have zero reason to believe the argument is being made in good faith due to the notable lack of necessary information needed to interpret the numbers (what has been the historical average, what is the ideal), and the past history of people/organizations associated with the group.

      So, while "sustaining a modern civilization" is about as uncontentious an idea as ideas get, the methods used in achieving that goal too often are.

    21. Re:Oh for fuck's sake by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Mushrooms. Or acid. Mescaline and some ergotamine too. Good reasons for a brain fucked-up enough to come up with an analogy like that.

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  2. This seems highly unlikely, and sensationalistic by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Informative

    There is no way you can really claim 75% of the Earth's land mass is "broken". That is insane, it would imply the world was starving and farms everywhere were no longer viable.

    I'm imagining they reached this conclusion after declaring any bit of land they could find a candy wrapper or wandering plastic bag as "polluted".

    But then it is the "IPCC for biodiversity", so that really says it all as far as how much stock you can place in the report.

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  3. If people would STOP HAVING BABIES... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...this wouldn't be a problem.

    Poor people breed way too much. Give them free birth control, paid for by tax money from wealthy nations. The total costs will be hugely less than what we are spending to deal with the mess they are making.

    1. Re: If people would STOP HAVING BABIES... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An excellent idea. How do you distribute it within cultures that repress women?

    2. Re: If people would STOP HAVING BABIES... by Lab+Rat+Jason · · Score: 1

      And cultures that desire only a male heir?

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    3. Re:If people would STOP HAVING BABIES... by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 0

      Interesting how your bigotry attacks only the poor.

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    4. Re: If people would STOP HAVING BABIES... by HornWumpus · · Score: 0

      If your for a 'woman's right to choose', your for a 'woman's right to choose'. Too bad you don't like her reasons.

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    5. Re:If people would STOP HAVING BABIES... by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Isn't that what bigotry is for? The poor.

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    6. Re:If people would STOP HAVING BABIES... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The total costs will be hugely less than what we are spending to deal with the mess they are making.

      Poor people use fuck all resources. The average 1st worlder uses at least 100x resources than the average 3rd worlder.

                        Americans constitute 5% of the world's population but consume 24% of the world's energy.

                        On average, one American consumes as much energy as

      o 2 Japanese

      o 6 Mexicans

      o 13 Chinese

      o 31 Indians

      o 128 Bangladeshis

      o 307 Tanzanians

      o 370 Ethiopians

      https://public.wsu.edu/~mreed/380American%20Consumption.htm

    7. Re: If people would STOP HAVING BABIES... by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      It's you're you pillock!

    8. Re:If people would STOP HAVING BABIES... by Zorpheus · · Score: 2

      He is right though. Popultion growth is the main driver of migration. The population grows in every country, the hunger becomes less and less. And they want to tell us that the food production is shrinking and driving migration?
      I think these aid organisations are all unable to correct their world view, especially where they are actually causing problems.
      A main driver of population growth is the reduction of child deaths ...

    9. Re: If people would STOP HAVING BABIES... by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      What? 'Your' is the word that makes you mad...I'm doing it right.

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    10. Re:If people would STOP HAVING BABIES... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've seen similar reports and I've been trying to be part of the solution - be the change you want - Ghandi.

      Here's a funny side effect: I'm saving more money and getting healthier and subsequently saving on medical costs.

    11. Re:If people would STOP HAVING BABIES... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...this wouldn't be a problem.

      Poor people breed way too much. Give them free birth control, paid for by tax money from wealthy nations.

      Poor people? Like Catholics and Mormons? Jeebus, around here it seems like they all have six or eight kids. WTF? It's not like they're living on the farm in 1890 and need the help getting the crop in.The ones that only have one or two are seriously in the minority.

    12. Re: If people would STOP HAVING BABIES... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not the one that called you a pillock. If you want to look like a rube or a hick from flyover state, that's your business. Keep on keepin' on I say. We'll keep thinking of you as rubes and hicks until you stop acting like one. Until then, keep using "your" when you really mean "you're" or even "you are."

    13. Re: If people would STOP HAVING BABIES... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Women are repressed pretty much everywhere. Start with the cultures that leave the largest environmental footprints and consume resources well out of proportion to their populations.

    14. Re:If people would STOP HAVING BABIES... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2

      And interestingly enough, the US is about 25% of the world GDP...

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    15. Re:If people would STOP HAVING BABIES... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you saying that is a good thing?
      You want all those people to be like you?

    16. Re:If people would STOP HAVING BABIES... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Typical AC, build your own strawman to attack! It's not unexpected when 25% of the world's energy is consumed creating 25% of the world's GDP...

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    17. Re: If people would STOP HAVING BABIES... by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Doing what right? Showing you're a bit thick?

    18. Re:If people would STOP HAVING BABIES... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, it's *you're*

    19. Re:If people would STOP HAVING BABIES... by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      "you are bigotry attacks the poor"?

      Where did you learn English? Especially contractions?

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    20. Re:If people would STOP HAVING BABIES... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is probably due more to confirmation bias than anything else. Would you recognize mormons and catholics families that did not have six or eight kids?

  4. Everybody Panic! by Icegryphon · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's the end of the world yet again?

    1. Re:Everybody Panic! by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

      I hope everybody knows where their towel is!

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    2. Re:Everybody Panic! by mspohr · · Score: 1

      What makes you think that you will be the one person saved when the earth goes flatline?

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    3. Re: Everybody Panic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget to bring a towel! Oh man I have no idea what's going on.

    4. Re:Everybody Panic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe it's just happening slowly and when most people compare how bad it is today compared to yesterday they think well it can't be that bad.

    5. Re:Everybody Panic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the end of the world yet again?

      No, there's 25% more to go.

  5. 75% is clearly an overestimate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As someone that flies over the US on a regular basis, you can literally look out of the window and see that this is untrue.

    To make 75% even remotely true, it means that most places are completely corrupted and ruined. Outside of major cities, which certainly have destroyed their land -- but which account for a few thousand square miles -- most land is not that way.

    Had they gone for a lower number, even as "low" as 50%, I wouldn't blindly assume that they're just making it up, but as it is 75%, then I assume that they are.

    1. Re:75% is clearly an overestimate by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 2

      In other news, 100% of IPCC scientists live in urban areas and have never visited a farm.

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    2. Re:75% is clearly an overestimate by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

      Of course the USA is only a small part part of the earth's land area.

      Still, I agree: 75% seems like an overestimate.

    3. Re:75% is clearly an overestimate by sycodon · · Score: 1

      You jest, but don't be surprised if the vast majority have never been to "fly over country".

      In fact, it is highly likely that these people would quickly starve should there be some catastrophe.

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    4. Re:75% is clearly an overestimate by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      To make 75% even remotely true, it means that most places are completely corrupted and ruined.

      No. Please re-read. Not everything is to one extreme or another. "have lost some or most of their functions" the key word there is "some". If once fertile virgin soil now requires amendments in order to be productive, that's a lost function. In the US this isn't a big deal, we normally use fertilizers and amendments in our agricultural practices. If you don't have these, then your going to have to use crop rotation and more land area as you let some of the land go fallow for one or two years. Local changes in climate (not to be confused with global climate change) can put people who use these more primitive methods of farming in a really desperate situation.

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    5. Re:75% is clearly an overestimate by mspohr · · Score: 2

      When you fly over the US, you see miles and miles of nice green farmland and everything looks fine. The problem is that that land has lost much of its topsoil and what is left has been poisoned with chemicals and the groundwater is depleted. From 30,000 feet it looks fine but when you look closely, not so good.

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    6. Re:75% is clearly an overestimate by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      and what is left has been poisoned with chemicals

      Yeah, it's so polluted that you can only get harvests 5-10x as big as they were getting a century ago....

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    7. Re:75% is clearly an overestimate by mspohr · · Score: 1

      Good for the next few years but not for the next century.

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    8. Re:75% is clearly an overestimate by HeckRuler · · Score: 2

      "have lost some or most of their functions" the key word there is "some". If once fertile virgin soil now requires amendments in order to be productive, that's a lost function.

      Well congrats for pointing out the weasel word that let's them make spurious claims while remaining technically true. But it doesn't change the fact that this is fear-mongering bullshit.

      Put another way 75% of Earth is no longer pristine.

    9. Re:75% is clearly an overestimate by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Overestimate? The word you are looking for is: lie.

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    10. Re:75% is clearly an overestimate by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Put another way 75% of Earth is no longer pristine.

      Yeah, no big surprise there. Even the moorlands of Great Britain would have been forests some thousands of years ago before humans cleared them.

      It's sensational journalism that isn't quite as exciting once you pick at the details a bit.

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    11. Re:75% is clearly an overestimate by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      They also consider a farmer who harvests trees from a few acres and turns that land into productive farmland as making the land "losing some of its functions". It used to be forest, now it is farmland, we're doomed!

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    12. Re:75% is clearly an overestimate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're both no better than "these people".

    13. Re:75% is clearly an overestimate by sycodon · · Score: 1

      Fucking AC says what?

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    14. Re:75% is clearly an overestimate by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      And if push ever comes to shove, a famine can always be arranged. That is why I fear the oncoming civil war.

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    15. Re:75% is clearly an overestimate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, it's *your*

  6. Re:This seems highly unlikely, and sensationalisti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This type of fear-mongering is not helping anyone out. Too much wolf crying, and people won't believe, nor care, when something that actually has an impact is happening. Had we had this much noise back in the '80s, nobody would have bothered banning CFCs, just because people would consider the ozone hole as something that was something impossible to do anything about.

  7. Re:This seems highly unlikely, and sensationalisti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It does seem highly unlikely, considering the large percentage of the Earth's surface that is largely unused and unpopulated in Siberia, Alaska and Canada. At the very least the article is poorly written, likely leaving out a lot of information that describes exactly what they mean.

  8. Consumption of beef largely to blame by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

    > "The UN-backed report underscores the urgent need for consumers, companies and governments to rein in excessive consumption – particularly of beef – and for farmers to draw back from conversions of forests and wetlands, according to the authors."

    Land degradation threatens human wellbeing, major report warns
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/mar/26/land-degradation-is-undermining-human-wellbeing-un-report-warns

    1. Re:Consumption of beef largely to blame by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Leave my fucking bovine alone!~!! Total assholes. If I can't obtain cheap, subsidized beef I don't even want to live.

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    2. Re:Consumption of beef largely to blame by sycodon · · Score: 1

      It always comes down to them wanting us in be living in caves, scratching for berries and leaves.

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    3. Re:Consumption of beef largely to blame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      India: Third world country. Underfed population. Doesn't eat beef

      Thanks for playing. We have some wonderful partings gifts for you. 20% of India's population aren't Hindu and have no qualms whatsoever about eating beef. Guess where all the dead cows go. But don't take my word for it, look it up.

      USA: First world country. Overfed population. Eats beef.

      I guess that's why Twitler and the Nazis keep trying to cut SNAP, Food Stamps, and School Lunches. All this time all those people were overfed and didn't even know it.

      It appears that beef is a much more efficient way of converting agricultural resources to calories. I'm sticking with beef.

      It appears to me that you should go double check your facts. And in case you were wondering, Breitbart and Faux News don't know shit. If that's where you've been getting your facts, I suggest you look elsewhere for for your facts next time.

  9. Is Feeding People Good or Bad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The summary wrings its hands that ruined land can't feed people, and then says that clearing forests for agriculture ruins the land.

    1. Re:Is Feeding People Good or Bad? by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Agricultural practices that yield short term profits is not the same as feeding people.

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    2. Re:Is Feeding People Good or Bad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, we've been doing this for awhile and are getting better and better at it all the time. A tiny number of people feed most of the world. And they are quite good at it.

  10. missing car analogy by clovis · · Score: 3, Funny

    Like a broken cell phone that can only text or take pictures, but not make a single call, more than 75 percent of the Earth's land areas have lost some or most of their functions, undermining the well-being of the 3.2 billion people that rely on them to produce food crops, provide clean water, control flooding and more.

    As far as I'm concerned, if it's not like a broken car, then it doesn't matter.

    1. Re:missing car analogy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like using FOSS to save the planet, you might as well be able to save the planet with a wrench. This is why a broken car analogy is so important.

    2. Re:missing car analogy by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      As far as I'm concerned, if it's not like a broken car, then it doesn't matter.

      You must be a Gen Xer.
      As a millennial you can have my car, just don't take my mobile internet connection.

    3. Re:missing car analogy by clovis · · Score: 1

      Good guess, but clovis was born near the beginning of the baby boomer era.
      This is what our phone looked like when I was a kid.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      We didn't use phone analogies because these things almost never broke. I never saw a broken one, but I suppose it could happen.
      If one did break, it was probably because a car had run over it. Or a car had knocked down the telephone pole that carried the wires.
      Lightning could strike the house, but that phone would still work. It might have killed you if you had been holding it, but the survivors could dial for help.

      As another ancient-times ramble, I remember that during the time of my first job, the hourly cost of a long-distance call was far greater than my hourly salary, and if I was more than a 20 or so miles from home, it was long distance.
      If I had to call someone for some information (getting a part number for example), I was losing money.

      I'm with you on one thing. These days I'd rather have an internet connection than a car.

    4. Re:missing car analogy by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Wow there. Didn't want to start anything, just going for a funny myself. Personally I'm not actually a millennial either. :-)

      And I remember those phones. What really sucked was dialing my grandma internationally. I could call friends faster than I could punch out the 0011 international transfer number. That damn wheel took so long to click back. *shudder* It didn't help her number had a few more 0s in it.

      Side note have you taken apart one of those phones before? There was nothing in them to break. They were a beautiful example of engineering done right, kind of like a mechanical watch vs some iWatch rubbish.

  11. They stopped a while ago by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Japan, and much of Europe is already pretty much not having babies enough to replace the aging population - that is a large part of why some countries there are attempting to accept a lot of refugees.

    The more advanced a country is, the more population growth declines, and eventually becomes negative. Breeding and overpopulation is the LAST thing you should be worried about. Worry quite a lot more about what happens when most economies are dependent on a larger base of young people to support an aging population, and those young people do not show up... If you think restless youth are bad just try angry elderly .

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    1. Re:They stopped a while ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, you could say to people, "fuck you if you did not prepare for your retirement. You certainly aren't going to fuck the rest of us," and let them starve to death.

  12. Quick! Where to send money? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The prophets have spoken. The Earth demands offerings of cash and penitent monastic lifestyles. Repent sinners!

  13. Re:This seems highly unlikely, and sensationalisti by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wow, none of you actually read the underlying report.

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  14. 75% is bollocks by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

    Well, common sense says this is bollocks.

    This https://www.umweltbundesamt.de... is a picture about the usage of area in Germany. Germany is a very densely populated country.

    Blue is water, yellow is mining etc. in between settlements and traffic/streets/rails.

    Dark green, about 30% woods. 50% light green is agriculture. Those two numbers are misleading as a wood has pretty special restrictions to be counted as a wood. So I would estimate it is more likely 40% woods and 40% agriculture, by a layman definition.

    While we worldwide have erosion problems, e.g. in 3rd world countries like the central USA, and we have deforestation especially in south america and salt accumulation on fields especially in Africa, it is not really plausible that 75% of the landmass should be "damaged".

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    1. Re:75% is bollocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While we worldwide have erosion problems, e.g. in 3rd world countries like the central USA,

      That sort of tired rhetoric isn't helping you get your point across.

    2. Re:75% is bollocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should look up the definition of third world so you stop using it incorrectly.

    3. Re:75% is bollocks by AlanBDee · · Score: 1

      While we worldwide have erosion problems, e.g. in 3rd world countries like the central USA,

      That sort of tired rhetoric isn't helping you get your point across.

      I believe he meant central America, not central USA. Although I wouldn't recommend using the term 3rd world anymore because it's unclear exactly what that means anymore.

  15. Re:This seems highly unlikely, and sensationalisti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They surveyed the land in third world shitholes and wrote off any that was covered in little piles of poop.

  16. Re:This seems highly unlikely, and sensationalisti by sycodon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's clear on the face of it that the underlying report can'tr possible support the headline/summary of the report.

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  17. Re:This seems highly unlikely, and sensationalisti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    Of course the article does not "claim 75% of the Earth's land mass is "broken", that is the sensationalist summary. The article says that 75% of the land has lost at least one of its functions. In the countries I live in or have visited recently (UK, Canada, India, Spain), it is pretty clear that often approaching 100% of the land has lost at least one of its functions. That includes almost any land that is urban and agricultural, e.g. where pesticides, ploughing or burning is involved, or land where water is extracted beyond a safe limit.

    Many of the denial posts here seem to come from people who may think that a manicured and weed free lawn is 'natural'.

  18. Wait! What? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    Like a broken cell phone that can only text or take pictures, but not make a single call, ...

    You can make phone calls with a cell phone? And... talk... to people...?

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    1. Re:Wait! What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like a broken cell phone that can only text or take pictures, but not make a single call, ...

      You can make phone calls with a cell phone? And... talk... to people...?

      Although you *can* make phone calls, you don't want to, the quality is shitty...
      One of the apps you want to use is called facebook messager. ;^)
      However, better try it quick.... I heard that facebook company is about to go belly up... ;^)

  19. Totally suited for Kaiju by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    What, you thought we weren't being attacked?

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  20. New land grab... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hear that new land is appearing in the North and South Poles of the globe...

  21. Re:This seems highly unlikely, and sensationalisti by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 1

    Of course not, because if they did that they might actually learn something.

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  22. Re:This seems highly unlikely, and sensationalisti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They surveyed the land in third world shitholes and wrote off any that was covered in little piles of poop.

    So America? And specifically 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. The White House is buried in big piles of poop, and is infested with cockroaches.

  23. Miami, Houston by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Very broken.

  24. Oh, its worse than that. by thesupraman · · Score: 1, Informative

    Its worse than that.

    They are classifying ANYTHING as broken.
    They classify natural deserts as broken.
    They classify natural mountains as broken
    They classify ALL human farming (no matter how productive for how long) as broken.

    As far as I can tell, its pretty much only natural untouched forests and jungle they consider to be not broken.

    Interesting worldview, that..
    Someone got a bit caught up in trying to rationalise a stupid-high number.

    1. Re:Oh, its worse than that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They classify natural deserts as broken.

      They classify natural mountains as broken

      Your reading comprehension is poor... they list those making up much of the area NOT "broken". From TFA:

      The only places left relatively unaffected will be polar regions and tundra, high mountains, and deserts, the report projects.

    2. Re: Oh, its worse than that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you managed to ignore the one about farming land as broken. Iâ(TM)d say your reading comprehension is abysmal.

    3. Re: Oh, its worse than that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YAY!! I found a cherry!

  25. Re:This seems highly unlikely, and sensationalisti by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

    Which is why the comparison with the IPCC is rather appropriate. In both cases there’s a scientific study with bad (or even alarming) news, but a title and summary that aren’t supported by the study’s content, and are nothing short of politically motivated sensationalism. I just don’t get why true environmentalists would hurt their cause in this way by allowing such sensationalism to cast doubt on such studies... because the conclusions actually supported by the data are dire enough.

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  26. Re:This seems highly unlikely, and sensationalisti by slew · · Score: 2

    The article says that 75% of the land has lost at least one of its functions.

    No, the report doesn't even say that. It says...

    Less than 25% of the Earth’s land surface has escaped substantial impacts of human activity.

    The metric they are using is biodiversity and the assessment technique they are using estimates that most of the forcing function for a reduction in bio-diversity is human related climate change since the beginning of human existance (not actually direct human intervention) which is how they can presume impact for areas where humans have never visited (and get to 75%-90%)....

    Consequently, if your metric is not biodiversity, or if your threshold is not "escaped substantial impact" since the beginning of human existence due to climate change or direct intervention, your mileage may vary...

  27. Re:This seems highly unlikely, and sensationalisti by sdinfoserv · · Score: 2

    The actual report states "land degradation now critical". Nowhere in the actual report does it use the term "broken". The writer at MOTHERBOARD.COM, Stephen Leahy used the word "broken" in his headline. Nor is there any asinine comparison to 3.2 billion people to cell phone use in the report.
    https://www.ipbes.net/news/med...

  28. Re:This seems highly unlikely, and sensationalisti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    nothing short of politically motivated sensationalism

    No, you're making this political. The sensationalism is about getting clicks and money, not about politics.

  29. Re:This seems highly unlikely, and sensationalisti by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1, Troll

    That got flushed out in February of last year.

  30. Free LifeHack by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Here's a hint for a happier life: Don't read anything where the summary screams "bullshit".

    Why would I bother to read anything based on an obvious lie like "75% of land is broken".

    Now if someone somewhere wrote a better summary that actually made some sense, then I might be tempted to read the report. But as things stand I can be pretty sure (A) that will not happen and (B) the original report is very likely a complete waste of time (mine and theirs).

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  31. Re: This seems highly unlikely, and sensationalist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >I'm imagining...

    RTFA.

    Then you won't need to attack the thing you think it might have said.

    What's on /. is a dumbing down of a badly written webpage that fails at the science writer's task of communicating reports and findings to the public.

    It'll take you five clicks. Not hard.

  32. Re:This seems highly unlikely, and sensationalisti by haruchai · · Score: 1

    Neither 75% nor "broken" appears in the media release
    It says
    "Media Release: Worsening Worldwide Land Degradation Now ‘Critical’, Undermining Well-Being of 3.2 Billion People"

      "Less than 25% of the Earth’s land surface has escaped substantial impacts of human activity – and by 2050, the IPBES experts estimate this will have fallen to less than 10%"

    That's not remotely the same as what the Slashdot headline says

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  33. Re:This seems highly unlikely, and sensationalisti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fucking moron.

  34. Re:This seems highly unlikely, and sensationalisti by slinches · · Score: 1

    Why can't it be about both? There's nothing more satisfying than padding your wallet and ego simultaneously.

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  35. Re: This seems highly unlikely, and sensationalist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The study is bullshit because it relies on the assumption that land ever had a Purpose or Intended Function. It didn't. Thus, it cannot be broken.

  36. Re:This seems highly unlikely, and sensationalisti by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    If the underlying report is so different than the summary, then why did the summary get up-voted and on the /. home page? Because if the underlying report isn't so sensational, then no one will care, and thus no eyes drawn. So I guess it's the fault of those who read the summary and say "no freaking way that report can even be close to correct" and forgo the entire thing, rather than those who completely twisted and misrepresented the report. Or, you know, you could provide a quick sentence about WHY the summary was wrong...

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  37. The real problem is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    The real problem is that current researchers do not look at many things that predate the WWW, so time started ca. 1987. (If they are really motivated, they may find some black and white photos from the 30's.) What these stupid lazy screwups don't realize is that in the 4.5+ billion years that the Earth has been around the land areas have "broken" many times over.

    The Great Oxygen Event changed much of the exposed land areas. Just think of the devastation that occurred to the algae-covered rocky areas when plants first came on the scene! And then came the dirty animals that messed up those ecosystems.

    These researchers are a bunch of whinny ass hats. The one thing that hasn't changed is that the Earth's environment is always changing.

  38. Blame the right people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Western white males... they did this to the planet, so they should pay for it and fix it. It can't be the billions of Asians and Africans.

  39. And how much was gained??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And how much was gained???

  40. EOWAWKI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I was young I read a book about a chicken. His name was Chicken Little. He too predicted the end of the earth because the sky is falling.

  41. Easy Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kill all the humans. They are the cause of everything.

  42. Re:Front row seats by wolfheart111 · · Score: 1

    And front row seats what are the odds of that. Grab the popcorn, itll be a great show.

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  43. Re:Thanks for.. by wolfheart111 · · Score: 1

    All the FISH.... :)

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  44. If were simulated... by wolfheart111 · · Score: 1

    wouldn't we then be a virus?

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  45. Re:This seems highly unlikely, and sensationalisti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm imagining they reached this conclusion

    In this case "they" means Motherboard. IPBES reached no such conclusion.

  46. Re:This seems highly unlikely, and sensationalisti by Baloroth · · Score: 1

    No they haven't, because the freakin' thing hasn't been released yet (source, about halfway down). All that's come out is a media release summary. If you put out a media release without the accompanying scientific report to support it, it's probably bullshit you don't want people to be able to call you out on.

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  47. Re:This seems highly unlikely, and sensationalisti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems like a fair estimate to me. I grew up in a farming area - a good fraction of which was basically unusable thanks to salination and/or erosion. Same was true all over the state. Grew up and moved to the city - which was not-so gradually spreading like a malign growth over the farming land that used to surround it. I holiday in mountains where whole hillsides sometimes slip thanks to clear-felling, swim on reefs that are clotted with plastic and half dead thanks to rising sea temperatures, and can't grow veges in my own backyard thanks to residual pollution.

    A fine job we're doing...

  48. oops it did lose function by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those few acres of trees were the wind break for his whole farm. Now we can watch the wind blow away all his topsoil. Not to worry dumping more fertilizer will solve it.
    The farmer did lose function and now his whole farm is less sustainable and productive.

  49. Meh by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

    Will be self correcting.

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  50. use some common sense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But the point is, do you think other economies/countries/people should be more like you? What happens when other developing countries catch up? Or are you planning on keeping them down? If the rest of the world becomes like you, what do you think will happen?

  51. Re:This seems highly unlikely, and sensationalisti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But then it is the "IPCC for biodiversity", so that really says it all as far as how much stock you can place in the report.

    That simply means they don't care about the actual arable land but consider the land area as a whole and use metrics that emphasize the disappearance of pre-existing food webs and changes of the ecosystems. A corn field, banana plantation, or any large scale modern (using the current methods) field is broken in this sense.

  52. Yet Another Manufactured Crisis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously? We are deciding what functions a hunk of land should have and then declaring it "broken"? We have no real issues if we can sit around and worry about this.

  53. This is a message to Gates foundation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you put money here, these folks think you will feed 700 million people.

    Be sure to double-check their data.

  54. Re:This seems highly unlikely, and sensationalisti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh I love the bias, you are marked troll, yet the instigating comment was not.

  55. Car Analogy for /. by painandgreed · · Score: 1

    What TFS is saying is that 75% of all cars leak oil, have less than perfect emissions, or other problems up to and including sitting on blocks in somebodies front yard. What TFA apparently is really saying, is that 25% of all cars are sitting unused on new car lots.

  56. Re:This seems highly unlikely, and sensationalisti by tbannist · · Score: 1

    Read the report? I'm not convinced that most of them read the summary, let alone the article or the report...

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  57. Re:This seems highly unlikely, and sensationalisti by Reziac · · Score: 1

    "Oh dear! 75% of the land surface isn't actually arable, or even habitable. Humans must have ruined it!"

    I note that people who make these broad proclamations *never* have any sense of the scale of the planet. They see a hobby farm and think that's all of agriculture.

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  58. I find it fascinating... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I find it fascinating that there are so many posting here who find the situation that we are in as a species ...impossible...while comfortably writing with plenty of time to rant ...from whatever comfortable place you are in...
    I grew up a farm boy...I have some insight from that regard...
    and I have traveled enough around the world...and not on the "package tours" away from the actual world...
    and yes...definitely one could use the word "broken" ..
    and yes ..one could use the context of a cellphone to explain it ..
    for those who have no real clue how ecosystems work...
    And the "broken" areas aren't relegated only to the impoverished or war-torn areas of the planet.
    It is happening in the 1st world countries as well.
    It doesn't take much to ruin the land.
    for example...it used to be that a field after a year of use ..was left to sit fallow for 7 years to let the soil recover its nutrient value...at the most plant peas and the like to encourage the process...
    with the advent modern fertilizers and all the other pressure on farmers to produce for society yearly crop rotations with no rest for the land became standard ..with tons of fertilizers running off the fields into the waterways...
    Now the issue isn't just one issue...it's two....and three ..growing into even more issues..
    the land starts losing it's topsoil since it can't hold it anymore...the cream of the field is gone...
    so more fertilizers are needed...the land itself is tired and may never come back after 50+ years of such abuse...and there are fertilizers now running into the waterways and the surrounding ecosystems contaminating drinking water, ponds , streams, marshes, forests, wildlife ..and us.
    and that is just farmland fertilizers ...then there is pesticides doing the same thing....

    When we have 1% of the population expecting to feed the rest...and not given adequate funds or ability to do so..this is what happens ..just at this level..to the land.

    As far as turning more forests and wild places into farmland...
    it isn't needed...it is simply convenient...and the imbalance grows across the ecosystems..

    then there are the corporate polluters....adding to the problem..
    and the city dwellers driving to the country and dumping their garbage out of their cars...
    thinking the problems just disappear with their garbage in the rear view mirror...

    As far as conflicts go being a perpetrator...
    Simply ...conflict spreads as the lack of basics mount...
    People will take food ...if they cannot get it...or if they fear they cannot get it.

    the problems of the land increasingly unable to support us ,
    have been building for a long long time...
    with many along the way warning us all...
    This isn't a new issue ...

    And of course there will be those who scoff from the comfort of their seemingly inviolable parents basements or their removed loft apartments ...
    that the problems don't exist..
    or that the problem is relegated to a place removed from impacting them..
    or that the problem is the devising of another or others and that they have no hand in it themselves..

    I am amazed at the stupidity I found in many responses here from what seemed initially to be intelligent people...

    Enjoy the comfort of where you live...while you can...
    No need to get out of your comfy chairs..
    the conflict for safe food and clean water is coming right to you..

  59. The BIG curve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The human race is on an exponential curve. We're on the fast rising part of that curve. What curve? The extinction curve. The downside? We'll soon be extinct. The upside? We're so close to the limit that we can observe the end of the earth (appeals to some scientific types that like to observe such things as if it were an experiment).

  60. Bender Was Right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kill all humans.

  61. Flat-earther, huh? by iq145 · · Score: 1

    Ask him: If you fell off the edge of a flat Earth, to where do you fall? Ask him: If i fly a plane East in a straight line, will i be lost forever when i fly off the edge of the Earth, or will i eventually return right where i started, but from the West? Ask him: Are other planets flat? Like the moon, for example? Ask him: Why doesn't the ocean spill off? Ask him: What's underneath, on the other flat side? i'd love to hear his responses...

  62. CORRECTION. by iq145 · · Score: 1

    OOPS. Posted on the wrong story :-) ...Slashdot doesn't let us edit or delete. "It's in our backyard... it's in our front yard. Pollution and contamination are shortening all life. We're going to have to unite as a people and say 'no more'! We, the people, are going to have to put our thoughts together to save our planet here. We only have one water... one air... one Mother Earth." - Corbin Harney

  63. In the words of George Carlin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    âoeWeâ(TM)re so self-important. Everybodyâ(TM)s going to save something now. âoeSave the trees, save the bees, save the whales, save those snails.â And the greatest arrogance of all: save the planet. Save the planet, we donâ(TM)t even know how to take care of ourselves yet. Iâ(TM)m tired of this shit. Iâ(TM)m tired of f-ing Earth Day. Iâ(TM)m tired of these self-righteous environmentalists, these white, bourgeois liberals who think the only thing wrong with this country is that there arenâ(TM)t enough bicycle paths. People trying to make the world safe for Volvos. Besides, environmentalists donâ(TM)t give a shit about the planet. Not in the abstract they donâ(TM)t. You know what theyâ(TM)re interested in? A clean place to live. Their own habitat. Theyâ(TM)re worried that some day in the future they might be personally inconvenienced. Narrow, unenlightened self-interest doesnâ(TM)t impress me.

    The planet has been through a lot worse than us. Been through earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drift, solar flares, sun spots, magnetic storms, the magnetic reversal of the poles ⦠hundreds of thousands of years of bombardment by comets and asteroids and meteors, worldwide floods, tidal waves, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays, recurring ice ages ⦠And we think some plastic bags and some aluminum cans are going to make a difference? The planet isnâ(TM)t going anywhere. WE are!

    Weâ(TM)re going away. Pack your shit, folks. Weâ(TM)re going away. And we wonâ(TM)t leave much of a trace, either. Maybe a little Styrofoam ⦠The planetâ(TM)ll be here and weâ(TM)ll be long gone. Just another failed mutation. Just another closed-end biological mistake. An evolutionary cul-de-sac. The planetâ(TM)ll shake us off like a bad case of fleas.

    The planet will be here for a long, long, LONG time after weâ(TM)re gone, and it will heal itself, it will cleanse itself, â(TM)cause thatâ(TM)s what it does. Itâ(TM)s a self-correcting system. The air and the water will recover, the earth will be renewed. And if itâ(TM)s true that plastic is not degradable, well, the planet will simply incorporate plastic into a new paradigm: the earth plus plastic. The earth doesnâ(TM)t share our prejudice toward plastic. Plastic came out of the earth. The earth probably sees plastic as just another one of its children. Could be the only reason the earth allowed us to be spawned from it in the first place. It wanted plastic for itself. Didnâ(TM)t know how to make it. Needed us. Could be the answer to our age-old egocentric philosophical question, âoeWhy are we here?â

    Plastic⦠asshole.âoe