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Airbnb To Share Information With Authorities On Guests In China (gizmodo.co.uk)
Airbnb has notified users in China that, as required by law, their information will soon be automatically logged with the government. Bloomberg reports: This week, it sent an email to hosts declaring it may disclose their information at any time -- those with concerns were given a link to deactivate their listing. Airbnb -- which had previously resisted comparisons to what it calls the hotel cartel -- is abiding by Chinese regulations governing the lodging industry. Hotels there keep tabs on guests and are obliged to report their information to the authorities -- which in turn becomes a useful tool for surveillance. Airbnb's approach automates the process, so travelers' data is directly transmitted to the government.
"Like all businesses operating in China, Airbnb China must comply with local laws and regulations," said Airbnb spokesman Jake Wilczynski. "The information we collect is similar to information hotels in China have collected for decades." Previously, the onus was mostly on Airbnb hosts to submit passport and other required traveler information. The company said in its email to hosts that it will comply with requests from authorities for information when asked.
"Like all businesses operating in China, Airbnb China must comply with local laws and regulations," said Airbnb spokesman Jake Wilczynski. "The information we collect is similar to information hotels in China have collected for decades." Previously, the onus was mostly on Airbnb hosts to submit passport and other required traveler information. The company said in its email to hosts that it will comply with requests from authorities for information when asked.
Let's assume they decided NOT to be paranoid, and to NOT collect all this information, require Apple to host Chinese iCloud in China, and so on.
Is there a real chance their government would be overthrown? Is their paranoia based on actual threats to their government or is it just paranoia for paranoia sake?
I'd love to hear input from actual Chinese citizens on this because I'm very curious.
"The information we collect is similar to information hotels in China have collected for decades."
This seems like a non-story. Or am I missing something I should be outraged about?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-29/airbnb-to-share-information-with-authorities-on-guests-in-china
Im not Chinese however, Im lead to believe its from their history. Many of their governments being overthrown by the peasant class, hence chopsticks and spoons. Brutal uprisings ect... 1.5 billion people. Have you seen on occasions where large groups of civilians killing a pair of corrupt police officers... and getting away with it.
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Every Chinese government was overthrown by their own citizens. However I believe only 2 of the dynasties were founded by commoners. Most were established by aristocrats, so the Chinese government should be far more paranoid of it's own members than the commoners.
It's not about overthrowing the government. It's about catching government officials who haven't submitted the proper bribes and kowtows to their superiors. When Officer X, behind on his payments, is on a "business trip" without leaving his home town, his AbnB can be raided and caught with one or more of his mistresses/boyfriends/whatever and hung out to dry as an example to others.
Communist governments are solely focused on the welfare of the political SYSTEM, and never of the CITIZENS that said system is - in government propaganda at least - supposedly serving. Communists also do not believe in God, ethics, morality, basic concepts like "thou shallt not lie/kill/steal" et cetera. The individual is expendable in Communism, and always has been expendable in Communism. People are like ants for China's communists. When the ant goes left, it lives. When the ant turns to the right, a great big leather boot stomps on it. China puts a veneer of "We are achieving great development in all things through our wonderful Communist system" on this. But this is propaganda. The Chinese are not free people with proper rights who live in a democratic society. And each time we buy an electronic gadget or other product "Made In China" we strengthen the Chinese Communist Party's grip on people living withing its borders. As long as money keeps flowing in from the Democratic world, China's "Communist Paradise" stays strong.
Why did the chicken cross the road? Because Elon Musk put an AI chip in its head.
..IBM must comply with local laws and assist in the tabulation of execution lists.
Fucking corporate whores never change.
I's not paranoia; its total control.
This is same reason that the American State Dept. wants to know everything about the online life of those wishing American visas.
My immediate response is that Airbnb should not do business in China, but it's only a matter of time before this requirement is internationally standard.
Communists also do not believe in God, ethics, morality, basic concepts like "thou shallt not lie/kill/steal" et cetera
What a bunch of absolutist hogwash. Stopped reading when I got to this point.
In the US, Uber and AirBnB ignore the laws of cities they deal with, then bitch and moan about how cities want to enforce laws and how they may put their drivers/renters out of work. And people on Slashdot say "how can you stand in the way of progress?"
Meanwhile, in China, the laws just get enforced because the government can stand up to corporations.
Now, China has worse laws. But it's nice to see at least some countries can wield governmental power.
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To answer anything else and exist within China is impossible. So either you're trolling or living under a rock. The Chineese Government just gave Xi Ping Ding Wong Kong an unlimited term in office.
Crowds breed flash protests. If you want to know what it's like to be in China without actually visiting I'd suggest looking at one of the IRL twitch streams while you still can. The censorship and control is quite amazing yet it seems like every day five eyes countries are rushing to pass the same god damned laws.
Does the government of China believe in God, ethics, morality, freedom, human rights, self-expression? Does it? If not, why is what I said hogwash, dear AC?
Why did the chicken cross the road? Because Elon Musk put an AI chip in its head.
The Chinese economy is currently growing at 7% per year. As long as that continues, there is no chance of an uprising. But if there is a hard crash, that could change quickly.
There is an undercurrent of discontent in China, where your social class is printed directly on your ID card, and the 80% in the "wrong" class are often deprived of access to medical care, public schools, housing, and even (during the Great Leap Forward) food. During the GLF, 99% of the 30 million deaths were peasants with "rural" hukous.
The big question is the loyalty of the PLA. During the 1989 protests, the army refused to move against the protesters, and replacement troops from the countryside had to be brought in. These farm boys had less empathy with the protesters who they saw as the spoiled children of the urban elite. There was some justification for this, since the protestors called for "democracy" but never once called for abolishing the hukou system ... since it worked for their benefit.
Since 1989, the PLA has dramatically changed. The 1991 American victory in Desert Storm was a shock to the Chinese military, forcing them to realize that massive numbers of soldiers were no match for modern technology. The PLA is much smaller today, much more professional, and the average soldier is more educated. So if protests got out of hand, events would be very different than in 1989.
Disclaimer: I am not Chinese, but I lived in Shanghai for several years, and my spouse is Chinese.
Every Chinese government was overthrown by their own citizens.
Not all. The Song and Ming dynasties were overthrown by foreign invaders (the Mongols and Manchus respectively).
The Chinese responded to these invaders by demographically swamping and absorbing them. Today, 85% of Mongols and 99% of Manchus consider themselves Chinese.
"Communists also do not believe in God"
And neither do a good proportion of intelligent, educated people in all other economic systems.
The only difference is politicians who seem to always acknowledge existence of a deity to ingratiate themselves to masses. It's incredible how for we've be able to progress with the acknowledgment and acceptance of such prevalent ignorance.
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I think because you applied a broad brush to ALL communist.
China's brand of communism might be different then that of another nations brand.
"Brand" is exactly the right word. Is what the advertising says about China's "brand" of Communism being "a little different" truthful? What sane government locks 1 Billion citizens behind the world's largest Internet firewall? Even Africans have access to free Internet, mostly. I don't think China's brand of Communism is that different from any other Communism at all. I think that they have applied some very alluring makeup to that Communism. But Communism is Communism. And China is not capable of changing.
Why did the chicken cross the road? Because Elon Musk put an AI chip in its head.
You link does not offer any evidence as to the claim vis-a-vis ID cards.
It might be... but it isn't.
The chance of China being overthrown is 0%. Syria is a shithole country, and they have withstood years of rebellion, the result is Assad is only stronger.
Don't forget China is going through a nationalistic ferver, with the Han race as the top dog. It won't be surprising for them to overrun Taiwan, and settle old scores with Japan, perhaps do some good old fashioned ethnic cleansing of the Pacific Rim. It is only a matter of time as they start throwing their economic weight around and funnel trillions into boosting their military infrastructure.
Except that many moral values and philosophical concepts that underpin modern Democracies in the 21st Century DO come from religion originally. Such as a human life having great value, for example, and people having the right to stay alive. In almost all political systems where "God does not exist at all" per the system's political ideology, scores of people who threatened the system in any way have been killed or otherwise bloodied right away.
Why did the chicken cross the road? Because Elon Musk put an AI chip in its head.
Does the government of China believe in God
Governments don't have "beliefs", but China is mostly tolerant of religion. There are 50 million Chinese muslims, and there are mosques in every major city. There are roughly 30 million Chinese Christians. Religious organizations are only suppressed if they are seen as subversive.
ethics, morality
In my experience, Chinese people are mostly honest and ethical. There are cultural differences. In China "loyalty" is relatively more important than "honestly" compared to America. So, for example, they are more likely to lie or cheat to help a friend. But they see that as the "ethical" thing to do. You don't let your friends down.
freedom, human rights, self-expression?
Mostly, yes. You are free to go where ever you want, including leaving the country. You can do whatever you want. In private, you can say whatever you want. Nobody is going to snitch on you, and nobody would listen to them if they did. The only limitation is publicly challenging the ruling party. That will get you arrested real quick.
This is completely absurd. Nobody wants to die, or lose loved ones, so 99% of us can agree that murder is wrong. We don't need to have a deity tell us this for us to know it.
In fact, if you look at the ten commandments as an example, the ones not having directly to do with god are mostly common sense things that, if we do them, we will hurt or greatly upset other people. So anybody with empathy is going to want to follow these rules anyway.
Stop the false equivalence of religion with morality. It has resulted in a lot of needless pain over the centuries.
The chance of China being overthrown is 0%.
It depends what you mean by "overthrow". The KMT government was overthrown in 1949 by Mao. The Maoist government was "overthrown" in 1976 by Deng Xiaoping, and replaced with a reformist government with checks meant to ensure that a one-man personality cult driven dictatorship would not arise again. That system was "overthrown" in 2018 by Xi Jinping, who has succeeded in establishing a one-man dictatorship, and is in the processes of re-establishing a Mao-like personality cult.
In 1989, the protestors failed to take over the government, but they had strong support by some factions within the government. It only became clear that the protests would come to naught when Deng Xiaoping (who was officially retired) put his full support behind Li Peng, the leader of those advocating for repression.
If Xi is overthrown, it will be with the support of people in the government, who are currently keeping a low profile and biding their time. If they perceive weakness, and smell blood in the water, the knives will come out.
Umm, please read more thoroughly?
It's there. That whole caste system bit didn't click?
CIA and MI6 are spying on China.
In the past it was in Macau to entrap gamblers from China and then make them spy on China.
The flood of people to China is cover for the CIA and MI6 to try to spy deeper into China.
To support human spies deep in China. To find people who want to protest against the Communist government and support such protests.
The West is using travel as cover for a lot of its spies in China.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Except that many moral values and philosophical concepts that underpin modern Democracies in the 21st Century DO come from religion originally.
Can you provide any citation for morality originating in religion? Most religions incorporate morality, but that does not imply that they created it.
Troops of monkeys have socially enforced rules that could be considered "morality". As far as we know, monkeys have no religion.
Paranoids are irrational. They always must have the maximum of control and surveillance they can get. It is a mental disease. Just look at all the people Stalin had killed because he felt threatened by them. Completely bonkers.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Beliefs are empty shields against reality that the ill informed hide behind. You should never use God as a catch all, your God is not other people's God or Gods, my God is the totality of existence (make of that what you will), not some backward goat herder wish machine, that supports the lie of monarchy. Does the government of china understand the benefits of "ethics, morality, freedom, human rights, self-expression", probably does but it is also aware of it's population of 1.5 billion people and also aware that most of them are 'believers' and not 'understanders' and believers can believe any thing, absolutely anything, it is their genetic nature (I hate to break it to you but belief is a primitive instinct, understanding is the more evolved genetic trait). Controlling that upon a basis of understanding especially when dealing with say a billion of them, is really quite difficult. India faces similar difficulties with it's large population and similar belief traits.
The Government of China is bound to strive to nip all problems in the bud, because with that size population a small problem, one that only affects 0.1% of the population is 1.5 million people to deal with. Paranoid and controlling is to be expected. Yet police officers in China are more well trained than Law Enforcers in the US, I suppose because they have to be, in the US shoot a woman in her pyjamas on the street 2 or 3 times (what the fuck does that even mean and clearly those law enforcers did not believe in ethics, morality, freedom, human rights, self-expression), that's fine because they were afraid, in China those cops would likely have been beaten to death by an angry mob.
Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
As others have pointed out, this is the law in China and when you check into any hotel your information is automatically sent to the Chinese government. Airbnb has been providing this information to the Chinese government on-demand for a while now (and users were notified of this before they started). The difference is now it's being done automatically. While I don't agree with this it's the law in China and Airbnb either has to comply or stop operating there.
China also requires that IT companies store data about Chinese operations on servers in China. Just because a company is not providing the data directly doesn't not mean that the Chinese government can't get at it if they feel the need.
What amazes me the most about the minor commotion over this is that a lot of people who are complaining are just as likely to post pictures of their room and the spots they visit on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, whatever ... in turn providing as much or more information publicly than is being requested by the Chinese government.
Does a friend really put you in a position where you feel you need to lie for them? People treat you as you allow them.
Itâ(TM)s a legal requirement for any visitor to register with the local police. My girlfriend had to do this she she visited me about 10 years ago whilst I was living in China for a while. The hotels take care of this for you.
scores of people who threatened the system in any way have been killed or otherwise bloodied right away.
Scores of people have been murdered in the name of religion too!!
Does a friend really put you in a position where you feel you need to lie for them?
In China? Yes. Why should impersonal objective truth be more important than loyalty to a friend? You only think it is because of your culture.
sure ivan keep trolling for great russia
Your ignoring the intuitional graft and corruption as well as killing prisoners convicted of pretty crimes to sell their organs. NOr to mention the dictator for life recent declaration or purge the presided it to clear the way.