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President of France Emmanuel Macron Talks About Nation's New AI Strategy (wired.com)

Earlier this week, Emmanuel Macron, President of France, pledged to spend $1.9 billion over the next five years and allow expanded data-sharing to help make France a leader in artificial intelligence. In an interview with Wired, Emmanuel Macron, President of France, explained why he is making big investments to bring France into the "winner takes all" race with the U.S. and China on artificial intelligence. An interesting quote, "At some point, as citizens, people will say, 'I want to be sure that all of this personal data is not used against me, but used ethically, and that everything is monitored. I want to understand what is behind this algorithm that plays a role in my life." An excerpt from the story: AI will raise a lot of issues in ethics, in politics, it will question our democracy and our collective preferences. For instance, if you take healthcare: you can totally transform medical care making it much more predictive and personalized if you get access to a lot of data. We will open our data in France. I made this decision and announced it this afternoon. But the day you start dealing with privacy issues, the day you open this data and unveil personal information, you open a Pandora's Box, with potential use cases that will not be increasing the common good and improving the way to treat you.

In particular, it's creating a potential for all the players to select you. This can be a very profitable business model: this data can be used to better treat people, it can be used to monitor patients, but it can also be sold to an insurer that will have intelligence on you and your medical risks, and could get a lot of money out of this information. The day we start to make such business out of this data is when a huge opportunity becomes a huge risk. It could totally dismantle our national cohesion and the way we live together. This leads me to the conclusion that this huge technological revolution is in fact a political revolution.

44 comments

  1. Transparency by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Alogrithmic transparency can only be a good thing. When AI makes a decision that affects you, you should have a right to understand how and why the decision was made, and to challenge it. That will prevent a lot of the problems we have already started to see with things like algorithmic sentencing of criminals.

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    1. Re:Transparency by NettiWelho · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Alogrithmic transparency can only be a good thing. When AI makes a decision that affects you, you should have a right to understand how and why the decision was made, and to challenge it. That will prevent a lot of the problems we have already started to see with things like algorithmic sentencing of criminals.

      Seeing the decision being made is not enough, data-input needs to be fully transparent as well.

    2. Re:Transparency by AHuxley · · Score: 0

      The AI thats design will be totally transparent to any investigating judge.
      What made the AI look at the persons account.
      The trail from that online activity to a persons ISP.
      To the resulting interview about what thy did online.
      From discovery to questioning, the AI will have total transparency about how much it helped the security services.
      The wrong music.
      The wrong cartoon.
      A funny joke about politics in France that was trending.
      Repeating a joke about politics.

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    3. Re: Transparency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Transparency to the public may be the only defense we have against powerful data mining. The system needs a whole lot of sunshine.

    4. Re:Transparency by kbahey · · Score: 1

      Not only a) the algorithm has to be transparent, and b) its data inputs, but also c) how the results will be used.

      See what Cathy O'Neill's says about the topic. She wrote a book, called Weapons Of Math Destruction, on the subject, and it is scary.

    5. Re:Transparency by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's all in the eye of the beholder.

      For example, if you're a criminal being sentenced by an automated system based on your background (age, race, education level, etc.), you want a very personal treatment---of course you won't commit any crimes again, because... well, there's no history of YOU committing crimes after being released (irrelevant of what's predicted by the racist AI).

      You want the rates estimated from the populations not to apply to you.

      On the other hand, when you buy health insurance, you want to be treated as part of a collective---after all, YOU may personally have a gene that increases your risk of heart attack, but the insurance company is there to spread the risk... and they shouldn't charge you more because of your one gene that isn't even active, yet.

      (e.g. same problem, [using population stats to estimate stuff that applies to YOU], but you wanna have the cake and eat it too...; it's not an AI problem, it's a social problem)

    6. Re: Transparency by q_e_t · · Score: 1

      Whilst you can have access to the components, rule extraction can vary from difficult to impossible. In that sense "the algorithm" may not be available for scrutiny. With machine learning even buggy models or code can result in mostly reasonable classification behaviour.

    7. Re:Transparency by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Do you have algorithmic transparency for human decisions?

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    8. Re: Transparency by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2

      The French don't need to worry about this, because it happens every decade or so: France is always super pissed that it isn't the leader of anything anymore, so it plays a game of "Yeah? Well, I'll make a better one, and you'll get so jealous!"

      During the previous decade, it was all about a search engine they called quaero, because they wanted to have a better Google than the USA. A few hundred million dollars later, nothing happened, just like what will happen here.

      Really, France is putting under 2 billion dollars for this. The private sector in the USA alone already spends hundreds of billions on this. You'd figure that with as hard as France taxes its people, it might have a bit more money to spare.

    9. Re:Transparency by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Yes. For example, when applying for a mortgage the decision making process is highly regulated and an explanation of the refusal can be obtained challenged. It's not just some random bank employee's opinion.

      That protects the bank as much as the customer. The bank is going to want to understand the AI's decision too.

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    10. Re:Transparency by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      If it's done entirely by a formula, it's hardly one person's decision. If the formula can output a "maybe" then it totally is some random employee's decision, at least in the grey area. And frankly if he doesn't like the shape of your nose he's not going to say that.

      But of course you knew I was really talking about judges and sentencing.

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    11. Re:Transparency by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Lots of parts of the process are still based on judgement, but the process provides a framework for making those judgements. It's the same with sentencing, there will be guidelines for what increases the sentence above the base, what kinds of mitigating circumstances might be considered etc. And if challenged the person making the judgement will have to explain themselves.

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  2. Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    None of this matters. He has no children, is married to a woman twice his age, and has been actively replacing the population of France with violent religious ghouls from distant, evil lands.

    It sounds like a Tolkien plot, but it's reality. France will be a third world shithole in a generation, wracked with political and religious violence, with Jews and Christians executed in their homes and businesses, like what is already happening across Africa and the Middle East.

    You'll pooh-pooh me as a racist, and ignore the acid attacks, grenade attacks, mass rapes, and mass murders already committed by the ghouls. You deserve your fate.

    1. Re: Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thus Spake Retardustra

    2. Re:Nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh no, there will be algebra and trigonometry all over!

    3. Re:Nothing by hey! · · Score: 2, Funny

      You're just pissed because he's got a stronger asshole handshake than the Dear Leader.

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  3. Member by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Member when Slashdot would have a decent April 1st stratagem? Pepridge farm remembers.

    1. Re:Member by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      Too late, it's already April 2 here.

    2. Re: Member by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMG Ponies!

    3. Re:Member by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      by ChunderDownunder ( 709234 ) on Sunday April 01, 2018 @10:18AM

      Yeah uh huh.

    4. Re:Member by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      You're in the wrong timezone. It's Monday.

    5. Re:Member by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Australia - 9 hours ahead, 20 years behind.

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  4. You the French version of Pepe the frog? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You still legs?

  5. Wish granted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "At some point, as citizens, people will say, 'I want to be sure that all of this personal data is not used against me, but used ethically, and that everything is monitored.

    Well, you can't have all you're asking for but I can guarantee that, yes, everything will be monitored.

  6. Winner takes all? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Meh. AFAIC it's only 'winner takes all' if you decide that being #2 isn't worth playing any more.

    Can you imagine Apple deciding to exit the laptop business just because it can't manage to break through a 10% market share?

    But ask me again in ten years.

    1. Re:Winner takes all? by AHuxley · · Score: 0

      How nations see "winner takes all"

      The US AI will ask questions for weeks about tasks to see what tasks fit in with the politics of its creators.
      A lot of data will be sent back to the USA. Finally the AI will start work if the task is approved and the AI feels like been creative.
      Only politically correct AI work will be done. When done the AI will like days set aside for virtue signalling before the next task.

      The AI from China will be for rent and need a special computer lab. Only China can build the new AI lab and that will cost a lot extra.
      All AI related work will see all rights revert back to China as the AI owners.
      A new network from the AI lab will be done by a telco from China.
      The lab will be opened by Communist Party dignitaries. Any AI project that results a new AI will see that project and the results returned to China.

      The AI from Paris will offer to exploit any discoveries with the host nation that was sold the AI.
      The AI will demand political favours, jewellery, fine art and apartments for its French creators.

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    2. Re: Winner takes all? by q_e_t · · Score: 1

      I would have hoped that the French AI would at least want to discuss philosophy.

    3. Re: Winner takes all? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      The French AI will follow the international business standards set by French oil companies.

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  7. AI Language Translation by PPH · · Score: 1
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  8. France gets what it voted for by guruevi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Macron effectively said he is going to oppose the EU privacy framework in order to sell the data to the highest bidder under the guise of improving "AI", a system that thus far doesn't really exist, we've got some good classifiers but nothing remotely resembling intelligence.

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  9. April Fool's by ebonum · · Score: 4, Funny

    This year Slashdot is off to a strong start!

    1. Re:April Fool's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they even had the French president to pitch in!

  10. French Moustache by neoRUR · · Score: 0

    Will the AI wear a beret, talk with a French accent, have a thin moustache and smoke? And say Oui all the time?

    1. Re:French Moustache by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And sleep with attractive women ?

    2. Re:French Moustache by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Hopefully he won't forget the baguette

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  11. Keep Dreaming by some+old+guy · · Score: 1

    Oh, right. Do you really think AI builders are really going to publish their algorithms for examination under the transparency banner?

    You greatly over-estimate the altruism of businesses and governments.

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    1. Re:Keep Dreaming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could reverse engineer the algorithm by creating synthetic data with various attributes; age, first minor crime, previous convictions, persistent offender, career criminal; family history, orphan, broken family, church-going socialites, and so on.

  12. Dude fucked his... high school teacher? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who is surprised he'd go out of his way to fuck everyone else in France too?

    1. Re:Dude fucked his... high school teacher? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you seen their old pictures? I think he was a kid much younger than highscool. She is one creepy teacher.

  13. Rothschild stooge heeds master's orders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's a better title for this story. Macron, who reports to his master Lord Rothschild, is indicating to us that the Rothschild bank is putting a large investment bet into the AI space.

  14. Future Shock on Steroids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The pace of change is turning into an unheard of speed. More will change in our lives, beliefs and social systems in the next three years than it as in the last 1,000 years. To say that confusion and fear will be a huge problem is a mild statement. Our schools and universities will be challenged beyond our ability to understand what is going on. Professions will vanish. Types of taxation will be quite different than they are today. The human race is about to run into a collision with reality. Everything you are used to is about to completely change. It is all for the best but the shock of rapid change is something the world has never had to deal with in the past.

  15. Is it an April fool's joke or not? by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    Is it an April fool's joke or not? Macron is so good as talking nonsense that I cannot tell.

    One thing that makes me suspect it is a joke is that he talks about spending money. Angela would not let him do so.

  16. Winner takes all race? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Winner takes all race with the US and China"

    Build a case, Mr. Macron, that it is a zero sum game and that it is not a rising tide that floats all boats. If used for the common good, AI should benefit all of mankind.

    Clearly, with the broken state of politics currently in the USA, the US stands to fall far behind rival nations and allied nations that invest heavily in artificial intelligence.

    The US government does not have a strong policy to invest heavily in artificial intelligence. That's what it will take to win that "winner takes all" race to benefit all of mankind.