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US Bans American Companies From Selling To Chinese Electronics Maker ZTE (reuters.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: The U.S. Department of Commerce is banning American companies from selling components to leading Chinese telecom equipment maker ZTE Corp for seven years for violating the terms of a sanctions violation case, U.S. officials said on Monday. The Chinese company, which sells smartphones in the United States, pleaded guilty last year in federal court in Texas for conspiring to violate U.S. sanctions by illegally shipping U.S. goods and technology to Iran. It paid $890 million in fines and penalties, with an additional penalty of $300 million that could be imposed. As part of the agreement, Shenzhen-based ZTE Corp promised to dismiss four senior employees and discipline 35 others by either reducing their bonuses or reprimanding them, senior Commerce Department officials told Reuters. Update: The UK's cyber security watchdog has warned the UK telecoms sector not to use network equipment or services from Chinese supplier ZTE as it would have a "long term negative effect on the security of the UK."

74 comments

  1. Re:Bullshit by dlleigh · · Score: 4, Informative

    The enemy of your enemy is not always your friend.

  2. Re:TRUMP 2020!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Begun, the Trade Wars have.

  3. Re:Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bought ZTE smartphone for my son, since it is as cheap as Casio calculators in Walmart.
    Probably we have to "voluntarily" return them to the store :-)

    But it sounds like 3 decade long technological jobs exodus is over.

    There are 2 types of engineering jobs:

    1. Design
    2. Technology of production

    Both of them don't exist one without another.

  4. Re:Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While this is true, and in true Slashdot spirit, I haven't RTFA so take this with a grain of salt, but I suspect that what is happening here is selective enforcement for political reasons.

    The UN and most countries removed sanctions for non-military related items on the nation of Iran (individuals and companies within Iran are still on the UN list however) over two years ago. The US sanctions are still in place however, and there is a lot of uncertainty about what exactly that means for overseas branches of US companies, US citizens working overseas for non-US companies and non-US companies making things with components sourced from US companies. Given the pervasiveness of US companies in the tech sector, this last one is especially challenging, and it seems a clear signal is being sent here that non-US companies should steer clear of US components in future.

  5. Why is Iran still the bogy man by aberglas · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Unlike China, there are real and freeish elections in Iran. There human rights are not nearly as bad as many of our friends. Sure, they are overseen by a religious right that most Iranians would love to remove. But they are certainly no worse than many of our other friends. (Same goes for Cuba.)

    What is worse, picking on Iran just supports their religious right. It is counter productive.

    And remember (if you ever knew) that Iran lost some 2 MILLION dead in the not so ancient war with Iraq, during which Hussein used plenty of chemical weapons. And we actively supported Hussein.

    1. Re:Why is Iran still the bogy man by dlleigh · · Score: 1

      And Saudi Arabia. There's a multi-party power struggle going on in that region of the world, with active fighting in Yemen and Syria.

    2. Re:Why is Iran still the bogy man by alvinrod · · Score: 4, Interesting

      We don't have a good reason for being enemies of Iran and in many ways they would make a better ally for us in the region than most other countries because they are among the more progressive countries in the Middle East and more likely to be supportive of Western ideals. A lot of it just comes down historical events putting us on the current path we're on, even if those are past and buried. People have long memories and there are just too many people on both sides that still harbor old hatreds (which may be completely valid) to be able to find a common ground to work from moving forward.

      However it really boils down to us already being closely tied in with both Saudi Arabia and Israel. Saudi Arabia hates Iran for being the wrong type of Muslims and sees them as a challenger in terms of which country will be dominant in the region. Relations with Israel were seriously strained when the Ayatollahs came into power and declared Israel as an enemy of Islam and groups like Hezbollah were founded and have received some state support from Iran. Conceivably, the U.S. getting closer to Iran and democracy being restored would probably see the country relax their relationships in regards to Israel. They were actually quite cordial with one and other in the past and I don't think the average Iranian cares about hating Israel as much as the extreme religious sect that controls the country now does.

      I don't think we could be allies of both Saudi Arabia and Iran at the same time now. Israel would be pragmatic enough to deal with Iran while relations are smoothed out, but I don't believe that the Saudi's would be. The two countries currently don't have any diplomatic relations following some recent events between them, and there are perhaps too many recent historical events between the two to expect any type of amelioration. It's easier for us to continue being allies with the Saudis even if it isn't in our long-term best interests to do so. The U.S. political system makes it incredibly difficult to change the status quo in a large way and no matter which party extends the olive branch, the other will denounce it purely for political reasons.

    3. Re:Why is Iran still the bogy man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Might be all the government sponsored "death to america" propaganda, public demonstrations; the support for terrorists that target Americans; etc.

    4. Re:Why is Iran still the bogy man by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

      they support people who fight our soldiers

    5. Re:Why is Iran still the bogy man by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Did not know you have soldiers in Iran ...

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    6. Re:Why is Iran still the bogy man by hyades1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That you were modded down to -1 for this sensible, insightful comment speaks very poorly for who Slashdot is allowing to moderate these discussions. I know there is now a strong right wing presence here seeking to either take over or wreck the site. It looks like they're winning.

      I expect this remark to join yours at -1 if the creeps with the fake accounts still have mod points left.

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    7. Re:Why is Iran still the bogy man by Stan92057 · · Score: 1

      less evil is still evil..

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    8. Re:Why is Iran still the bogy man by hyades1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The government of the day might support anti-American causes, but US actions are doing a lot more to punish Iranians most likely to support First World views while leaving the shit-for-brains Ayatollahs unaffected.

      The main reason why Iran is now a power in the Middle East is that Bush Junior, who as of January 2017 became the second stupidest President in American history, decided to get rid of Saddam Hussein and thereby eliminate the biggest check on the Ayatollahs' ambitions.

      Iran is still America's best hope for a relatively secular counterweight to the real exporters of Middle East terror...their good friends the Saudis. A whole older generation still remember what it was like before the religious fanatics took over. And some of the really old ones remember what Iran was like before America installed the Shah.

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    9. Re:Why is Iran still the bogy man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > they are among the more progressive countries in the Middle East and more likely to be supportive of Western ideals.

      The people who fled the Iranian Revolution are the ones supportive of Western Ideals, not the current government in Iran. They're one of the countries where full burka/niqab/chadors/whatever is the norm. Transsexuals are tolerated only because the Koran doesn't mention them and they see it as a way of "fixing" homosexuals.

      Christ, Syria is more progressive than Iran and that's ruled by a dictator.

    10. Re:Why is Iran still the bogy man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      China, though no doubt authoritarian, is actually interested and willing to maintain normal international relations. Iran... isn't.

      We tried having normal and positive diplomatic, trade, and even military relations with them. It did not work. You can't exactly have normal diplomacy with the sort of people who invade your embassies and hold your diplomats hostage. And it hardly makes sense to deliver more hostages into their clutches; be they diplomats, trade delegates, private citizens, or anyone else. Their nuclear ambitions make them even more problematic... you have an unremittingly hostile rogue nation with zero interest in peaceful talks that it trying to obtain nuclear weapons. That's hardly someone to trust in any capacity.

      You have point about Cuba though. But that's a generational thing. For decades, the Cuban exile community in south Florida carried outsize political weight because they were very organized, good at getting out the vote, and would reliably use that vote for any politico committed to being tough on Castro. That, and their attempt to acquire and position nuclear missiles for a no-warning decapitation strike carries a lot of weight for people of a certain age. I'd bet a dollar that once a bit more of the Cold War generation dies off; relations with Cuba will be normalized.

    11. Re:Why is Iran still the bogy man by labnet · · Score: 2

      It's more to do with petrodollars and central banks.
      Saudi Arabia is a country that promotes Islamic terrorism yet is protected by the USA. Why? It's because many years ago, they made a pact to always sell their oil in USD in exchange for military protection from the USA.
      Any country that has threatened the petrodollar arrangement has ended up overthrown. Also not having a Rothschild central bank can be dangerous to your health.

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    12. Re:Why is Iran still the bogy man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The "freeish" elections in Iran start with the Supreme leader deciding who gets to run in the elections from the start. There by guaranteeing the eventual winners are supporters of the status quo. It's actually pretty ironic that Iran's post-1979 revolution Islamic government was put into power by the progressive and left leaning Iranian college student who kicked off the revolution. While these morons were occupied holding 52 US hostages the Islamic fundamentalist and previously exiled mullahs were busy taking over the country and killing anyone who had a problem with that. One of the frequent complaints heard about the Shah was his state security apparatus was too brutal. At the time that brutality was focused on the hardliners who make today's ISIS look like a bunch of left wing hippies. It was the student protesters who set off the revolution and opened the door for all the hardliner fanatics to return to the country and take over. All in all they took the most open and modern country in the ME at the time and handed it over to the hardline Muslim extremist. For their blind stupidity and warped sense of reality commonly found in college students with too much time on their hands they ended up getting what they deserved.

      And people should take the time and re-examine the facts when it comes to the 1953 over throw of the government. At the time the Cold War was in full swing along with a very hot Korean war being fought. The deposed Prime Minister made the mistake of making friend with the USSR which guaranteed the US was going to get involved in preventing such a move. The deposed PM then nationalized Britain oil assets located in Iran. Britain was still recovering from their staggering losses at the end of WW2 which guaranteed they would also do anything to prevent this from happening. Britain actually started blockading Iranian oil exports. There was no violent overthrow and the deposed PM wasn't killed or thrown into prison. Did the US and Britain assist those wanting the PM gone? Yes. During that period of history it was not unexpected or really that secret. Iran enjoyed 25years of peace and prosperity not seen in any other countries in that region. That is until those helpful University students put the hardline Islamic fundamentalist in power. The US may have helped put the Shah in power but look at what the university progressive put into power. Mass executions and imprisonment was the order of the day. Then those wonderful Iraqis invaded and millions were killed because the university students made sure the one country who could have prevented that war did not care how many Iranians were killed or maimed. If Saddam Hussein had not been such a terrible strategist Iraq could have taken the entire country. Instead that military incompetent stopped advancing and started fight WW1 trench warfare. And that is a pretty stupid strategy when your enemy has nothing capable of stopping your advance.

    13. Re:Why is Iran still the bogy man by aberglas · · Score: 1

      It would be interesting to see both the + and - scores. Not just the total.

    14. Re:Why is Iran still the bogy man by Bradac_55 · · Score: 0

      That's the funniest thing I've read all day, thanks I needed a good laugh (really no sarcasm intended).

      There is absolutely no "right wing presence" on /. it's just that your so far left you think the middle is right.

    15. Re:Why is Iran still the bogy man by hyades1 · · Score: 0

      Yeah, there is. Only a liar or a fool would deny it. Or somebody so young and ignorant they truly don't know what the centre looks like, and how far the goal posts have moved.

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    16. Re:Why is Iran still the bogy man by Bradac_55 · · Score: 1

      There's the bitter hate that marks a moron in a hurry.

    17. Re:Why is Iran still the bogy man by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

      The Shah was a good guy. He was a reformer and wanted to bring Iran into the modern age, over the objections of their people. The ayatollahs are legitimately popular. Just not among the Iranian exiles that dominate Western coverage. But the average Joes of Iran really like their Islamic government.

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    18. Re:Why is Iran still the bogy man by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

      Iran's government is legitimately popular. They're not "right-wing", they're Islamist. Islamism doesn't fit on the Western left/right scale, it's a third axis. The average Joe of Iran thinks an Islamic government is great, and it's how people were meant to live.

      Come on, engaging in conspiracy theories makes you no better than those you hate. Contrary opinions doesn't mean a cabal is out to get you. Relax, breathe, look under your bed for KKK members.

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    19. Re:Why is Iran still the bogy man by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      Relations with Israel were seriously strained when the Ayatollahs came into power and declared Israel as an enemy of Islam

      That wasn't the primary reason, it was because the Shah's brutal SAVAK secret police were set up and trained by Israel. In other words the principal instrument of oppression, with a long history of torture and murder and possibly the most hated part of the whole regime, was set up with the active assistance and input of Israel. You can forgive Iranians for being somewhat upset about that.

    20. Re:Why is Iran still the bogy man by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      I guess you've somehow managed not to notice what's been going on around this site during the past year and a bit.

      Not my problem.

      But do try to open your eyes every once in a while. There's a nice big world out there, and you're missing it.

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    21. Re:Why is Iran still the bogy man by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      Nice try, kid, be careful your mom doesn't see you trying to start flame wars. She might take away your internet privileges or lock up your bicycle.

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    22. Re:Why is Iran still the bogy man by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      You need to educate yourself. Start with the word "Savak".

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    23. Re:Why is Iran still the bogy man by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Yes? And? So what? The Savak was not nearly as bad as what the Ayatollahs did after the revolution. They were necessary to keep society on track, and not hijacked into Islamic barbarism. What happened when the Savak couldn't keep the peace any more? Revolution and slaughter, and a regression to medieval morality.

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    24. Re:Why is Iran still the bogy man by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

      So you actually, really, truly believe that there are unseen enemies out there, sabotaging a discussion forum on an obscure tech website. Seriously? Slashdot has zero reach, it's not worth the trouble. Something like 95% of Slashdot readers never click on the comments. These days, it's the same 50-100 people talking to each other.

      That's why this conspiracy theory nonsense is so destructive. It teaches people like you that there is no such thing as legitimate opposition to your ideas. Everything you see that disagrees with you must be the work of those dirty foreigners. It's the Red Scare Part II. Now, what do we know about blaming the foreigners for our troubles?

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    25. Re:Why is Iran still the bogy man by Bradac_55 · · Score: 1

      Bitter and stupid, a potent mix indeed.
      I'm sure your hippie communal parents are proud of your intolerance.

    26. Re: Why is Iran still the bogy man by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      Reading fail x2.

    27. Re:Why is Iran still the bogy man by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      But the average Joes of Iran really like their Islamic government.
      No they don't.
      How ignorant and actually stupid are you?

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    28. Re:Why is Iran still the bogy man by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Where'd you get that idea? Do you speak Persian? If not, the only story you get is from the bitter losers who were exiled after the Revolution. Don't listen to them. Iran's government is legitimately popular and they elected a government that represents them. And why shouldn't they be popular? They got a sweetheart deal from Obama where they profited massively and they had to give up little in return. Screwing over The Great Satan in a deal always goes over well with the people. If your entire knowledge of Iran comes from protesters, you're not getting the whole story.

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    29. Re:Why is Iran still the bogy man by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Iran is since 45 years at the brink to a civil war.

      Sorry, your american propaganda does not cut it.

      What fucking deal should Obama make with a country he basically was at war with? Sorry, that are completely retarded ideas.

      The "high priest" caste is suppressing the population, and they want to be free. There are protest every single day, thousands of people are in prison because of political reasons.

      Do you really think that young people, that kiss in the park at the campus, and get put into jail for that, have voted for the regime and are happy about it?

      In what strange world do you live?

      And to answer your question: I know dozens of Persian people who left when ever they could. But we don't talk about politics in their country, why would we? They are happy that they don't have to talk about that anymore.

      If your entire knowledge of Iran comes from protesters, you're not getting the whole story.
      I live in a country where we have news.
      And when I was about 5 my mother, the only thing she did good, taught me to read books!

      My neighbouring country is France, where "they" have even more news. And then again we have BBC, a broadcast station from UK, which gives us more new and more news. We european usually know what is going on in the world ... if we want to, at least.

      You probably don't even know that the Shah was disposed by the CIA and that the current regime is a result of that ... sad sad sad.

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    30. Re:Why is Iran still the bogy man by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      The "high priest" caste is suppressing the population, and they want to be free.

      That's where you're wrong, bucko. Most of Iran is totally OK with living under an Islamist regime. That's how Mohammed wanted his people to live. He does not approve of young people kissing at the park. Iran has free and fair elections and everything. It's just the malcontents that are making a fuss.

      I know dozens of Persian people who left when ever they could.

      Ah, here's the problem. You only hear from the malcontents. This is called bias, and by only getting one side of the story, you're missing out on the other side.

      the Shah was disposed by the CIA

      BZZT wrong, the Shah was installed by the CIA. The Shah was overthrown by Islamic radicals allied with Iranian liberals. After the revolution, in a total surprise move, the Islamists turned on the liberals and either killed them or drove them into exile. These English-speaking exiles are where we get our news about Iran from, and shockingly to hear from them everything is horrible.

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    31. Re:Why is Iran still the bogy man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why was that modded "insightful" when it couldn't be any further from the truth?

      They don't have any more "free" elections there than they do in China- both are totalitarian oligarchies. Idiot.

    32. Re:Why is Iran still the bogy man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, you do, idiot. They opted for that, Dhimmi.

      When they tell you that they want to destroy you...and they show signs of meaning it, they're an enemy.

      Oh, and adhering to like that? You are a traitor with all that this entails. Too bad nobody can get you arrested and charged over it.

    33. Re:Why is Iran still the bogy man by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      That's where you're wrong, bucko. Most of Iran is totally OK with living under an Islamist regime.
      No they are not. No one on the world is ok to live under a religious regime.

      BZZT wrong, the Shah was installed by the CIA.
      Yes, and later he was dethroned by the same CIA.

      The Shah was overthrown by Islamic radicals allied with Iranian liberals.
      Yes, and the liberals were payed by the CIA and supported with weapons. In the end it backfired because the Ayatollas won the revolution.

      These English-speaking exiles are where we get our news about Iran from, and shockingly to hear from them everything is horrible.
      Rofl, just because you have no news about Iran, it does not mean I have none either.

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    34. Re:Why is Iran still the bogy man by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      No one on the world is ok to live under a religious regime.

      OK, I see now what I'm arguing with. You're a crazy loon, and I say that without sarcasm. Tons and tons and tons of people are perfectly happy to live under a religious regime, and if you're not aware of this, you really need to broaden your horizons. Lots of Muslims desire to live under a religious regime - remember all of them in Europe calling for Shariah? Didn't the UK endorse religious courts so they could feel right at home?

      The liberals were allied with the Ayatollahs against the Shah. Jesus you don't know anything.

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    35. Re:Why is Iran still the bogy man by crimson+tsunami · · Score: 1

      No really, Israel.

  6. Re:TRUMP 2020!!! by Betty+Crocker · · Score: 1

    It doesn't matter.

    The Chinese now have a fledgling petro-Yuan. The USA should be ostensibly "nice" to China for a change. Things like sanctions only make a country as large and resourceful as China stronger in the long run. And with Chinese companies, it requires only the sleight of hand to rename a company and bypass such sanctions. The last thing that they will put up with is losing sales, and the second-to-last is changing their business practices.

  7. Ztee the search for ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What do they have against:

    Ztee, the search for a mobile phone

  8. Re:Bullshit by Joce640k · · Score: 0

    My ZTE phone has given me four years of good service. Three of those in my pocket and the last year as an Android development device.

    My current phone? A $500 Xioami that one of my clients bought me as a thankyou (the boss was buying one for himself and he bought one for me, too).

    If it wasn't for that I'd probably still be carrying the ZTE around.

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  9. Re:Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dont forget... they're encrypted by default now on android since marshmallow 6.

  10. This is bad for American Companies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is a charade and send the signal to Chinese companies the U.S. is not a reliable supplier, they will start to look for Europe and others Asian countries for components or develop their own alternatives more faster than before, then the trade gap will become even larger and the morons in Washington will continue to complain about it.

  11. Re:TRUMP 2020!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    im a green i voted for jill stein and if she runs again ill vote for her or whatever green candidate runs

  12. Re:TRUMP 2020!!! by AvitarX · · Score: 1

    I assume:
    Biden, Cain, Booker, Mccaskell, Harris are likely candidates.

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  13. Re: Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are wrong.

  14. Re:Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, like fucking 2% not...so, really? Lol.

    You've missed the point entirely. While not a given, its a pretty true constant, regardless.

  15. Re:TRUMP 2020!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    A vote for Stein was a vote for Trump.

  16. Re:TRUMP 2020!!! by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    "The USA should be ostensibly "nice" to China for a change. "

    You confuse me. Are you now one of the 2000% increased Russian trolls or are you a lone Chinese one?

  17. Re:Bullshit by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    "The enemy of your enemy is not always your friend."

    That might be but helping an enemy's enemy is always good for you, it doesn't matter if he's a friend.

  18. Re:Bullshit by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    "While this is true, and in true Slashdot spirit, I haven't RTFA ..."

    To top you, I haven't even read TFS. :-)

    "so take this with a grain of salt, but I suspect that what is happening here is selective enforcement for political reasons."

    Naw, it's just something in his demented mind (or the one with the 'stache) and people just make him happy, fuck the consequences.

  19. This is one of the main reason China steals IP. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you can't purchase the tech you need, you just steal it for free.

  20. Re:Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this guy never took logic

  21. That isn't going to accomplish shit by Khyber · · Score: 1

    The Chinese already likely have copies of the masks of every component used, and could easily just counterfeit the shit, re-brand it, and keep selling.

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  22. Majority of cable modems are ZTE here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You make me worried, but until then I continue enjoying my gigabit internet for $20/month.

  23. Re:TRUMP 2020!!! by RandomFactor · · Score: 1

    Disagree.

    In the current system the two main parties adopt positions of third parties that siphon off votes and cost them elections. Voting your conscience is potentially more effective in the long run for getting your ideas adopted and can be a much more effective vote than just voting a compromise candidate every election.

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  24. Re:Bullshit by YouGotTobeKidding · · Score: 1

    The enemy of your enemy is your enemies enemy. Nothing more nothing less. You may have to spend just as much resources fighting that new enemy as your original enemy. There are plenty of examples of this in conflicts around the world. Say a country is ruled by a dictator and rebel group A are democratically inclined. Rebel group B are hardcore communists. Both rebel groups will fight each other just as much as the gov troops.It happens a LOT in civil wars and major conflicts that fall along religious lines. Think yuoglsavia in the early 90s with Croats vs Serbs vs Albanians all duking it out with each other. Each hating each other almost equally. Same during WW2 in China. You had commie vs national chinese AND the japanese.

    Look up the term 'three way war' for more examples.

  25. My next phone may be ZTE... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 0

    My next phone may be ZTE, BECAUSE they support Iran. Iran is probably the most likely country in the Middle East to become a fairly liberal Islamic democracy. They have a long tradition of revolution and a strong, wealthy expat community. If they do, they can be an example to other Middle Eastern countries -- better than having the Saudi and UAE kinglets being examples of how to run a country.

    1. Re: My next phone may be ZTE... by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      You make electronics purchases based on future Islamic democracy? Fuck, you better not answer any marketing surveys and fuck things up for the rest of us. That's near the top of stupidest reasons to buy a device. "Yes, I support corrupt companies that deal with banned countries contrary to their agreements." SMH.

  26. one word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isreal, is why you have anti iran policies.

  27. Re:Bullshit by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

    Yes, and it can get a lot more complicated than 3 :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    And that's doesn't include government agencies, like the CIA, and private contractors (mercenaries).

  28. Re:TRUMP 2020!!! by butchersong · · Score: 1

    I really hope they don't run creepy Joe. I could accept just about anyone before Joe Biden.

  29. Re:TRUMP 2020!!! by AvitarX · · Score: 1

    I'm a delawarian, and I don't want him either.

    He's not where I want the party to go.

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  30. My next phone will be CISCO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... because I like NSA spying on me

  31. Re:TRUMP 2020!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A vote NOT for Stein was a vote for Trump.