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Jeff Bezos Reveals That Amazon Has Over 100 Million Prime Subscribers (theverge.com)

Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos revealed today that the company has over 100 million Prime members, "marking the first time in the 13-year history of Amazon offering its Prime membership that the company has ever revealed its number of subscribers," reports The Verge. From the report: According to Bezos, Amazon Prime also saw its best year ever in 2017, with the company shipping over five billion products with Prime and signing up more new members than in any previous year. Also revealed today, Whole Foods Market will discontinue its rewards program on May 2 and fold it into Amazon Prime. "Stay tuned for additional announcements for Amazon Prime members," reads the Whole Foods FAQ page focused on digital coupons, rewards and online accounts. "Any account benefits, including membership and/or unused rewards, will not roll into any future programs."

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  1. I was a bit disappointed... by jawtheshark · · Score: 4, Interesting
    My wife got the free trial prime, earlier this year by not paying attention (they really push it now it's available in Luxembourg). Not a big deal, just cancel it after the trial is over. However, it turned out she forgot to renew our Netflix subscription and I explained her that Prime Video is included in the Prime subscription. Give it is significantly cheaper: Netflix is 12x10.99EUR=131,88EUR/year, vs Prime 49.90EUR/year and prime offers a lot more.

    So, we decided to continue it... She has next day delivery and still has video on demand (albeit, not Netflix). She's happy.

    What I didn't like is that your normally should be able to share some of the Prime membership advantages with other people in the household. I thought: sweet! I can get next-day delivery too now on my account. Yeah, well, turns out, that sharing feature isn't available in Luxembourg. Yes, I contacted support about it. They confirmed it's not available in my region. Sad.

    Oh, well, usually when I order stuff, I can wait... There is no way, I pay for a second prime membership though.

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    1. Re:I was a bit disappointed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why not just use her account to place your orders.

      If they call you out on it, "Yeah, my wife ordered me socket set as a gift. You got a problem with that?"
      (Note: If you mark everything for you as a gift, then it shouldn't affect her product recommendations.)

    2. Re:I was a bit disappointed... by jawtheshark · · Score: 1

      I like the idea of keeping accounts separate. I realise you can work arounds, but I just would have liked it to work without messing around. It's already bad enough that my wife mixes up her credit cards from her personal account and our joint account all the time.

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    3. Re:I was a bit disappointed... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Why not just use her account to place your orders

      That is what I do. Four people in my family, and we all share one Prime account and password. I don't know if we are breaking any rules.

      If you mark everything for you as a gift, then it shouldn't affect her product recommendations.

      Another solution is to just ignore the recommendations, which are usually stupid anyway. If I just ordered a new coffee maker, I don't need recommendations for six other coffee makers.

      My wife is Chinese and we watch a lot of Chinese movies. So we get flooded with recommendations for French movies, because "obviously" we like "foreign films".

    4. Re:I was a bit disappointed... by cloud.pt · · Score: 1

      I suggest something else if keeping accounts separate is a must:

      - whenever you want to use the benefits of her Prime account, just create a new whishlist, share it with her, and let her buy it on her account providing her a payment form. If you don't share or want to supply your personal payment data to her, I don't really know about Luxembourg but in Portugal we have many types of virtual credit card systems, that you create for any purchase and add a limit to it, so that you don't have to share or put your physical card on the web (I never even have placed my physical card on my 10+years of online shopping because we got this cool system in Portugal).

      I'd like to add that Prime does have one major caveat: you supposedly can't share the video streaming experience like you can in Netflix: multiple user profiles with multiple recommendations and book-keeping on shows seen. Netflix effectively costs me 42€ per year with 4k since I split with 3 other people (they pay 42 each too). Amazon's 50€/year Prime for simply using as a streaming service, which has a lot less content than Netflix (especially here in Portugal, where they block must stuff even when using Prime on a UK account), is a real no-no unless I really used the delivery benefits. I don't get those benefits since it does not apply to international shipping to my country from the UK, obviously.

    5. Re:I was a bit disappointed... by registrations_suck · · Score: 1

      Separate Amazon accounts...separate credit cards accounts.....separate bank accounts....do you have sex with separate people too?

    6. Re:I was a bit disappointed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You cheap cheap person. Luxembourg, with some of the highest global incomes? My god, I hope I never have to live in that country with people like you there.

    7. Re:I was a bit disappointed... by jawtheshark · · Score: 5, Insightful
      LOL. Well, no... Not that I'm aware of at least.

      My father has a masters in applied economics, and he taught us (and my siblings) how to do accounting correctly and all under the motto "Les bons comptes font les bons amis". I am not aware of a English equivalent of the saying, but it means as much that if you keep money affairs honest, friends will stay friends. If you are married, or in a partnership having your own account, her/his/xir own account and a common account is immensely useful. This stops financial disagreements: I want something, and she doesn't agree (new computer, new camera, ...), I pay it with my money. The same for her. The common account is for everything that concerns us both and the kid: mortgage, food, healthcare, etc. We both have access to the common account: if I do weird stuff on it, she can see it and ask for explanations. I can do the same.

      We also have separate computer accounts, separate facebooks, but nobody finds that strange, right?

      Having your finances sorted out helps to stabilize marriages. It's the singlemost important advice I would give to newlyweds.

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    8. Re:I was a bit disappointed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's a healthy person with boundaries.

      Most people nowadays are enmeshed with their partner, causing massive damage to both and increasing the risk for what?

    9. Re:I was a bit disappointed... by jawtheshark · · Score: 1
      Indeed, Prime doesn't have multiple accounts profiles: It's slightly annoying. It does have allow up to three devices to stream simultaneously. That's not all that bad, really.

      As for the content: Netflix was pretty crappy too (for Luxembourg). When we still had it, I bothered to make a list of stuff I wanted to see. One day, I actually wanted to see one of the movies on that list... and it wasn't there any more. It was Guardians of the Galaxy, and I am 100% I had it at a certain point and when I wanted to watch it, it was gone. Prime may have a different selection, but it's not as if with Netflix you could watch anything you could come up with. I haven't used Prime Video much, but I saw they had "The man in the high castle" which is something I might enjoy.

      Netflix effectively costs me 42€ per year with 4k since I split with 3 other people (they pay 42 each too).

      Unless, you are the same household, you are in breach of Netflixes TOS. I don't judge that, I know tons of people who do, but I try not to risk blacklisting.

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    10. Re:I was a bit disappointed... by registrations_suck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Having your finances sorted out helps to stabilize marriages. It's the singlemost important advice I would give to newlyweds.

      I completely agree.

      I'm just not much on the "mine, yours, ours" model. I'm a lot more interested in the "we're in this together" model.

      But whatever works for you (:

    11. Re:I was a bit disappointed... by jawtheshark · · Score: 1

      Envy much? You know why we have such high incomes? Because housing is immensely expensive. Small place, high demand: insane real estate prices. It's perhaps not Bay Area level, but pretty much half of our current income goes straight to housing.

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    12. Re:I was a bit disappointed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Must be the type of stuff you watch. I personally find the Amazon movie selection pathetic compared to Netflix. Plus, at least for the built in smart apps on the Vizio TVs, the Netflix app works much better, is better organized, and just more intelligently designed. In the Amazon app, every time I FINISH watching a movie, it throws it into the list of things I should watch next. Really? You think the thing I should watch next is the thing I just finished watching? And I absolutely HATE that Amazon mixes in all the buy/rent movies with the free ones. Every time I search for something, I have to wade through the non-free results to find the free ones.

      To top it all off, the damn Amazon app has the nerve to force me to watch a little 15 second preview for an amazon exclusive show whenever I start a movie. Fuck you, Amazon.

    13. Re:I was a bit disappointed... by jawtheshark · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Perhaps it helps understand that her parents had a very very very ugly divorce when she was a teenager. The tensions are there to this day, and it's been something like a quarter of a century ago or so. I don't know if this is common with kids from divorcees, but she seems to think this has to happen eventually to her too. Having it set up this way, soothes my inner accountant and should her fear ever come through, we will have it "easier" to get it through peacefully.

      Obviously, I don't plan on divorce, but it's good to be prepared. Thirteen years and counting, with ups and downs...

      I know many people think of marriage as a romantic involvement. That is wrong. It is primarily a contractual obligation, and the romantic aspect is a nice bonus. Perhaps I'm just weird. Perhaps I am a heartless cold calculating arsehole... If so, then I have no problem with that. You have the right to judge me.

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    14. Re:I was a bit disappointed... by houghi · · Score: 2

      This should be a standard and has nothing to do with distrusting each other. My sister and her husband are divorced now. They still are friends. Becaus ethey had separate accounts, the breakup was even less painfull.
      OTOH I often see people, especially elder people who only have one account on both of their names. One person dies and the account will be blocked for 2 to 3 months. This till the heritage is done. In that time grandma can not pay anything. Money comes in, but nothing can go out. Companies start calling as they want their money. So on top of the stress of losing your long live partner, you have to deal with that shit.

      Having a separate account would have seen to it that not only do you not need to pay heritage taxes over it, but you also have enough money to get through to that few months.

      I see also the same where people take a customer credit together (e.g. a credit card) They do that, because if the com pany looks at 1 income, it isn't enough. (I am from Belgium. Giving out credits to people who are not able to pay for it results in the company being responsible and those people do not need to pay it back). After two years they break up. Credit still in both their names. One takes all the money and the other needs to pay for it.

      Having two different contracts would mean that this would have never happened.
      And yes, if they are divorced, it will state that one will pay everything. That ONLY means that the one person can force the other person to pay. It does not mean that the company can not collect their money by either of them. The contract is still valid.

      So I absolutely agree that money should not be shared, unless really needed for whatever reason.

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    15. Re:I was a bit disappointed... by cloud.pt · · Score: 1

      Don't quote me on this, but this issue came up while talking to a Netflix customer support assistant (I had an issue with someone registering an email similar to mine with an ignored character "." and I started getting his emails). In the course of the conversation, this CS representative told me he himself splits his (paid) account with 3 friends who do not share a household. He surely does not have any special benefit or authorization for being their employer, I believe. So there's that.

      Obviously, Netflix CEO clarified this at some point and said they did expect people to be fair on that, but it does not actually enforce this. I strongly doubt Netflix would be 20% of what it is today without this type of shared subscriptions, just like Spotify would be nothing with people piggybacking on telecom providers plans with Spotify (we had those for 3 years here), family plan schemes like Netflix and their free offers for limites times hooking up customors for a period. What I mean to say is: unless things change considerably, it should be considered fair game to breach their ToS because they benefit from having this type of customers. It's either the 4 people sharing one account or none at all paying.

    16. Re:I was a bit disappointed... by jawtheshark · · Score: 1

      Yup. You totally get it...

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    17. Re:I was a bit disappointed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow that sounds so SMART.

    18. Re:I was a bit disappointed... by jawtheshark · · Score: 1

      Just as smart as people buying housing in the Bay Area, really... *shrug* One does need a place to live in the end.

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    19. Re:I was a bit disappointed... by registrations_suck · · Score: 2

      I know many people think of marriage as a romantic involvement. That is wrong. It is primarily a contractual obligation, and the romantic aspect is a nice bonus. Perhaps I'm just weird. Perhaps I am a heartless cold calculating arsehole... If so, then I have no problem with that. You have the right to judge me.

      Ironically - I completely agree with you, once again. I just have a different response.

      In my calculation, if I can't trust someone in matters of finances, and take a joint approach to managing finances, I don't want to try making a life with that person.

    20. Re:I was a bit disappointed... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      You can have multiple credit cards on one account.

      Maybe just put your credit card on that account too, and they you all just be careful which card each one charges to...her to hers, you to yours.

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    21. Re:I was a bit disappointed... by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      Just remember if the wife isn't happy then no one is happy.... so keep her happy and everything should be just fine.

    22. Re:I was a bit disappointed... by jawtheshark · · Score: 1
      She has that. She just is sloppy and ends up charging her personal card all the time. I tell her to be careful. I presume this is because the shopping experience on a cellphone isn't as clear as on a computer. She rarely to never uses her computer for amazon. I have a bit of trouble understanding why she does that. Convenience, I suppose.

      Anyway, about every 6 months, I just go over her purchases and reimburse her what should have been bought on the common account.

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    23. Re:I was a bit disappointed... by jawtheshark · · Score: 2

      I think you misunderstand: Having a common account requires trust. We have a common account, we trust each other. The common account just has a very specific purpose. In all the years we have been married, there never has been a problem. Still, that doesn't mean we can't have separate accounts for personal purchases.

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    24. Re:I was a bit disappointed... by jawtheshark · · Score: 1

      Wise words ;-)

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    25. Re:I was a bit disappointed... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Just remember if the wife isn't happy then no one is happy.... so keep her happy and everything should be just fine.

      That's why, unless you are planning to have kids, there's no real reason to get married.

      Too much risk of losing half your shit.

      If not married, then of course you work to keep each other happy, but if things go bad...unfixable, then well, you can more easily ditch her and find someone new that is more accommodating to your lifestyle and aspirations.

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    26. Re:I was a bit disappointed... by Lab+Rat+Jason · · Score: 1

      Hell, I've always done exactly this... yoga pants, diapers and power tools are my thing, and Amazon has never called me out on it... they're not looking that closely.

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    27. Re:I was a bit disappointed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How progressive of you. Are you allowed to live in your wife's house and talk to her children?

    28. Re:I was a bit disappointed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps it's because I am from a community-property state, but I take a different view. The most significant of our assets have accumulate since marriage and should be legally split 50/50 between us anyway. But, my wife had significant preexisting education debts when we met 20 years ago. We structured our whole lifestyle around working and paying off her national scholarship contract, finally zeroing it out about 10 years into our marriage. I didn't think of it as "her" debt, but saw it as "our" risk to be managed together.

      We keep joint accounts for banking and after-tax investment, though we do informally have a notion of a "his" and "hers" bank account we both nominally manage so that statements are easier to review. But, either one of us could use the web or walk into a branch and manage either account if needed. We are actually annoyed that our employer-sponsored, pre-tax retirement accounts cannot be configured for joint management. The vendors claim it isn't possible within the tax law structure. So, we have to share account passwords since I am the one who collects quarterly statements and executes our mostly passive investment strategies (which we've debated and designed together).

      We have kept our separate credit cards. I never saw the point in disrupting our separate credit lines. We both are very risk and debt-averse, and trust that the other is paying off their credit cards monthly rather than carrying any stupid debt. But, she likes to chase credit card deals and run the gauntlet for rewards and avoid fees by cancelling before automatic renewals happen, etc. I don't want to deal with that noise, so I plod along with my no-fee but mediocre reward cards year after year. She lives nearly cashless, while I still live mostly on cash transactions and use my card for a more limited set of transactions.

    29. Re:I was a bit disappointed... by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      - whenever you want to use the benefits of her Prime account, just create a new whishlist, share it with her, and let her buy it on her account providing her a payment form. If you don't share or want to supply your personal payment data to her, I don't really know about Luxembourg but in Portugal we have many types of virtual credit card systems, that you create for any purchase and add a limit to it, so that you don't have to share or put your physical card on the web (I never even have placed my physical card on my 10+years of online shopping because we got this cool system in Portugal).

      Easiest way I've found is for friends to simply send me an Amazon gift card in the exact amount. They select their items, I give them the total (they can add it themselves if they wanted, but sometimes I like totaling it up to make sure) and they buy me a gift card in the exact amount (Amazon lets you do this). They give me the code and I enter it into the payment form, make sure it ends up as $0 off my card and order is placed.

      Yes, Amazon lets you buy a gift card for an exact amount down to the penny. And anyone with an Amazon account can buy one and send it instantly to someone else.

    30. Re:I was a bit disappointed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I often see people, especially elder people who only have one account on both of their names. One person dies and the account will be blocked for 2 to 3 months.

      If it is a actually joint account, this is not true.

    31. Re:I was a bit disappointed... by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      My fiancée of 18 years and I aren't married and keep our finances separate mostly because she had a lot of medical debt when we first got together but then just never changed anything after she paid it off.

    32. Re:I was a bit disappointed... by registrations_suck · · Score: 1

      Having a common account requires trust.

      Sure it does. But less trust than having all the money in it (:

      I don't find fault with your approach. I'm just saying, it's not for me and I'd never sign up for it.

      If my wife came home one day and said, "Hey, I'm going to open a checking account in my name only and have my pay direct deposited to it, and then contribute some portion of that to our joint account for our joint bills and spend the rest however I want", I'd probably just say "see ya" and move out. If I came home and gave that speech, I'd hope she would do the same.

    33. Re:I was a bit disappointed... by jawtheshark · · Score: 1

      If my wife came home one day and said, "Hey, I'm going to open a checking account in my name only and have my pay direct deposited to it, and then contribute some portion of that to our joint account for our joint bills and spend the rest however I want"

      There is a significant difference between changing a in-place system, and having a different system from the get-go. Of course, the above scenario would raise red flags, because it changes the well working status quo.

      That said, the inverse would also be true: if I came home and I'd say something like "from now on your income must be completely transferred to the common account and we will close our personal accounts", then I'd also expect my wife to be extremely suspicious. It could be an indicator of something else going on. If you change these kind of things, it must be in discussion with your partner and not -as your examples- unilateral decision. It's the unilateral decision that's the problem, not the change of system.

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    34. Re:I was a bit disappointed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah? Well there were products I used to buy on Amazon regularly which have now been tucked away behind the Prime tax. Now I don't buy things on Amazon any more.

      I don't pay just for the privilege to be able to shop somewhere.

    35. Re:I was a bit disappointed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good accounts make good friends

  2. but ... by ThirdPrize · · Score: 3, Funny

    But only 2 million asked for it.

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    1. Re:but ... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      As many as that?

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  3. half of them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    are intermittent monthly 'subscribers' who sign up for a month because they're ordering something and the shipping cost the same or more than the monthly prime does... then they cancel it right away.. and perhaps pick it up again for a month in six months when they make another order.

    1. Re:half of them by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      ... in six months when they make another order.

      Are there really many people that order so infrequently? I just checked my order history, and my family and I placed 87 Amazon orders last year. That is about twice a week on average. In addition, we watched 124 Amazon videos.

      I can understand people like my mom, who has never ordered anything on-line ever. But once you get past that, and you see the convenience and vastly greater selection available, why would you ever give that up?

    2. Re:half of them by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Amazon prime is probably only interesting if you use their video on demand services.

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    3. Re:half of them by sjbe · · Score: 3

      Amazon prime is probably only interesting if you use their video on demand services.

      Umm, no. I make light use of the video services but HEAVY use of their two day shipping. The video is just a nice little bonus. The real value to me comes from their ability to consistently find and deliver stuff I need in a timely manner for reasonable prices without a lot of fuss and excellent return policies when needed.

    4. Re:half of them by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Amazon prime is interesting if you use their video service and order a lot with them. For me it does actually work out. I got rid of TV and all other streaming subs, and while I could probably do without the prime videos, they're a nice additional bonus.

      On a completely unrelated note, Jeff, my last paycheck for shilling bounced, could you look into it?

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    5. Re:half of them by registrations_suck · · Score: 1

      Are there really many people that order so infrequently? I just checked my order history, and my family and I placed 87 Amazon orders last year.

      Checking mine...so far this year (April 19th), I've got in 12 orders on 18 items, and my wife has got in 14 orders on 21 items. If you extrapolate that out for the rest of the year, you end up with something along the lines of 88 orders and 131 items. That's about 1 order every 4 days on average. On any given day, there's about a 25% chance one of us is placing an order from Amazon. On average, we probably get something from Amazon every week of the year. EVERY WEEK.

      So.........there you go (:

    6. Re: half of them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For me the video service is nearly worthless. I've played with it several times hoping to cancel Hulu or Netflix and it just isn't adequate, unfortunately.

      I use the two day shipping like crazy. If there's something I need I'd normally get at a nearby store and don't need it immediately but still soon, I'll just order it and it's here in 2 days, no wasted time required. I have a friend that shares the fee with me and when he wants something he just sends me a link and Venmos me the total right after and he has two day shipping as well. The only thing I shop in store these days us fresh produce, cold groceries, and a few cases where products are cheaper at the store than online.

    7. Re:half of them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I gave up on Amazon prime about a year ago. I'd say around 70% of my orders either were late or never delivered. This was not just a USPS issue....UPS also did the same thing. That's when I found out that it is 2 day shipping from when it leaves their warehouse...and even then, there is a good chance it won't be on time.

    8. Re:half of them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazon prime is probably only interesting if you use their video on demand services.

      Umm, no. I make light use of the video services but HEAVY use of their two day shipping. The video is just a nice little bonus. The real value to me comes from their ability to consistently find and deliver stuff I need in a timely manner for reasonable prices without a lot of fuss and excellent return policies when needed.

      Living in Europe, I have next day delivery without paying for PRIME, so that part is utterly pointless.

      I am only a PRIME subscriber because I was somehow signed up without me knowing about it and I have never paid for it, though I have recently gotten an email saying that I need to update my payment details (probably because I never entered any, because I never signed up).

    9. Re:half of them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're projecting again.

    10. Re:half of them by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      Is this the club one joins for the privilege of paying $100 a year to get some marginal discounts in buying from them?

      The details vary a bit between countries but in the UK you pay £7.99 a month or £79 per year in advance. By default it auto-renews but you can turn that off.

      For that you get among other things.

      Free next day delivery including weekends on most products.
      Some exclusive products and deals
      A video on demand service.
      A music on demand service

      For comparison next day delivery without prime costs £5.99 so if you want to use next day delivery more than once in a month it's cheaper to buy prime.

      Do the club members get a free "I'm an idiot" t-shirt?

      No.

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    11. Re:half of them by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      Not everyone is that big of a consumerist nor has a big family. I do most of my non-grocery shopping on Amazon, but that that's no more than a handful of orders a year.

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    12. Re:half of them by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      Ditto here. Every time I look at Prime Video (and Amazon asks me all of the time, "HOLY SHIT, DO YOU KNOW YOU GET VIDEOS?") I find little I'm interesting in watching. The videos aren't a draw for me.

      Ordering furnace filters and pet toys and birthday presents at discount rates and having them show up 2 days later is the draw.

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    13. Re:half of them by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 1

      The video service is actually what got me to sign up.

      I wanted to watch The Man In The High Castle and fully intended to cancel my membership before the free trial was over but I didn't and I now make a habit of ordering things several times a month whereas before that I had only ordered one item in the 5 years before I finally got Prime.

      Nowadays I almost never watch anything on their video service. I'm still a Netflix subscriber and I haven't finished watching all of their stuff too and they keep producing more.

      I never even finished watching all of The Man in the High Castle but yesterday I did spend just over $100 on stuff I expect to receive very soon.

    14. Re:half of them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I will never buy prime for the Same reason i will not go to Costco:

      Pay for the privileged of being able to buy from your store? Ohhh---HEEELLL-NO.

      Combined with how Increasingly Amazon 'sits' on your order for processing, as a non-prime user. I increasingly, order from other retailers.

      Free Shipping is not something only Amazon offers.

      For added fun, Amazon will combine two orders, made a week apart, which can casue a double-sit for the first order.

    15. Re:half of them by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Are there really many people that order so infrequently?

      Well, I got one Amazon delivery last year - which arrived in two instalments on different days, as expected. I'm about half way through that pile of books.

      But once you get past that, and you see the convenience and vastly greater selection available, why would you ever give that up?

      Who wants to wait the three of four days for delivery, when by going to the shop you can get what you need off the shelf there and then? Books are still the only thing I actually use Amazon for, and even then they're not my most regular book supplier because they've not got many that interest me.

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  4. Lets stop and think for a minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone who is everyone. That is, if you have a smart phone it is highly likely that person also has an amazon prime account. We can say an error rate of 2%, because there are the emergency, the children, and elderly who may have a phone but not the prime account. Enough to agree that every-motherfucking-body has a prime account. Everyone is giving Amazon an average of $75/year. That's $8 billion. If Amazon ever raises rates that's a few extra BILLION they will be making while everyone will be grumbling how they're negatively impacted by it wondering why they're still making minimum wage. But everyone who is everyone will continue to be like everyone and continue paying that Prime membership (see Netflix as an example).

    What the fuck, America

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    1. Re:Lets stop and think for a minute by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

      if you have a smart phone it is highly likely that person also has an amazon prime account.

      Why? What would cause that?

      Maybe I'm part of your 2% but I tried Prime for a month a while back, saw that I basically get nothing out of it, and canceled at the end of the trial. It was going to cost money and get me virtually nothin'.

      What might make more sense is: if you have a computer, you probably have an Amazon account. Probably. (I could accept that's 98%.) But Amazon Prime? It costs money and unless you do a lot of shopping on Amazon (e.g. you've fired Costco, etc) it's not particularly compelling.

      Not that I think people who do it are stupid. Maybe they're always in a hurry for everything, or like I said, they stopped going to stores because they live in an area with great delivery service, or whatever. But it's really hard to believe that'd be anywhere near 98%. Maybe 50%? I don't know.

      But everyone who is everyone will continue to be like everyone and continue paying that Prime membership (see Netflix as an example).

      Though it conflicts with my experience, I'm not really saying you're wrong, but .. you didn't explain why.

      And same goes for Netflix. It needs weird software and I don't do that, so...? Netflix never made their case to me so they're still waiting for their first dollar. At least Amazon got me to try it for a month.

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    2. Re:Lets stop and think for a minute by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      ...I tried Prime for a month a while back, saw that I basically get nothing out of it...

      I find this baffling. Did you really try prime?

      The other day I noticed that my dress pants were starting to get a little raggedy. So I went to amazon, went to my orders, typed in "pants", and up popped the last two times I ordered these pants. I added 2 to the cart, checked out, and they showed up 2 days later. I spent probably about 2 minutes total buying pants, and I got the exact ones I wanted in the exact size I needed.

      They showed up sooner than I could find a spare hour or two to drive to the mall, park, walk to the store, and then search through rack after rack looking for pants in my size. And if, for some bizarre reason these ones don't fit me? I put them back in the reclosable bag, click the return button on the order, print the label, tape it on the bag, and leave it under my mailbox to get picked up. It's faster and easier to do a return via Amazon that dealing with my local store.

      I have 10 minutes to jump onto Amazon's website far more often than I have an hour or two to play scavenger hunt at my local stores. In time savings alone, Prime pays for itself. The free 2 day shipping and discounts just sweeten the pot.

      If you don't value your time, I guess Amazon isn't worth shopping at. But if you value it at all, Amazon generally crushes everyone else.

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    3. Re:Lets stop and think for a minute by nogginthenog · · Score: 1

      Did you really try prime?

      The other day I noticed that my dress pants were starting to get a little raggedy. So I went to amazon, went to my orders, typed in "pants", and up popped the last two times I ordered these pants. I added 2 to the cart, checked out, and they showed up 2 days later. I spent probably about 2 minutes total buying pants, and I got the exact ones I wanted in the exact size I needed

      So just like regular non-Prime Amazon then. Why would you pay extra for this?

  5. employees treated like shit by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    Not me not ever. I stay away from Amazon as much as possible because I keep reading how they treat their employees like shit.

    1. Re:employees treated like shit by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Fortunately we have 0.01% people who not only think like you but also act like you by boycotting Amazon. Bezos does care about that.

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    2. Re:employees treated like shit by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      While I agree with you, Amazon's competitors treat their employees like shit too. So, given that, I buy from Amazon anyway.

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  6. Intertia by mccalli · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm one of them, but mostly through inertia. On the whole it's getting worse, with next day slipping to two days, 'guaranteed next day' being delivered two days later, and items on sale with free Prime delivery, but mysteriously more expensive than the non-Prime version alone and magically equal to non-Prime + delivery fee.

    It's kinda ok, and I enjoyed The Tick, but on the whole...meh.

    1. Re:Intertia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try the series "Bosch", its pretty damn good if you like Homicide Detective type stuff. (Plus American Gods, which still not decided on yet)

    2. Re:Intertia by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Back in the good old pre-Prime days, Amazon delivered within 2-3 days. Standard. Then Prime came along and suddenly delivery took longer and longer, reaching ridiculous timeframes like "11-15 days" but averaging around 6-9 days. Unless you pay about as much as a prime subscription for the once-normal 2-3 days. Of course you could also sign up for Prime and get the 2-3 days again for "free"...

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    3. Re:Intertia by DaTrueDave · · Score: 1

      Bosch is damn good.

    4. Re:Intertia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're an idiot... problem solved.

    5. Re:Intertia by willapp · · Score: 1

      Bosch is damn good.

      It's my favourite show, and S4 just started which is looking great so far :)

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  7. vs Netflix interface by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Prime is cheaper and has other features, but comparing P and N for video interfaces, subtitles, dubbing, search... Netflix is way better.

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    1. Re:vs Netflix interface by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 1

      Netflix's UI has been annoying me for years. Amazon's isn't perfect either but in some ways is much better.

  8. 100 Million... by asylumx · · Score: 1

    Sure, when you're offering it in countries like India for INR 999... which is the equivalent of about $15/yr. There are plenty of people there that can afford that (and yes, plenty who can't, but at over 1.3 bln people it only takes less than 10% of them to reach 100m) so of course your subscription numbers are going to inflate like crazy.

  9. How many were connned into it? by guacamole · · Score: 1

    How many of these people became prime members accidentally after clicking on "yes, ship with item for free with amazon prime two day shipping" without reading the fine print that they need to pay a hundred bucks for yearly membership?

    1. Re:How many were connned into it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just you and the crazy cat lady down the street.

  10. Russian Trolls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah but they're paid by Putin to meddle like Stormy. :rolleyes:

    Hopefully President Trump will put this Bezos terrorist out of business. Or at least waterboard him for info about Hillary's illegal email server. Amazon might have helped her with that.

    Only the best and brightest get a skyscraper in NYC: ae911truth dot org
    Politics has nothing to do with making money.

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  12. Life changing by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Are there really many people that order so infrequently?

    Some but they are the same sorts that have a Costco membership and go once a quarter.

    I can understand people like my mom, who has never ordered anything on-line ever. But once you get past that, and you see the convenience and vastly greater selection available, why would you ever give that up?

    Exactly. I do a lot of shopping through Amazon and a few other online places and it has been life changing. It is FAR more convenient for me to have stuff delivered for most of what I buy. I still go to stores occasionally for stuff I need Right Now or if it's conveniently located (like on my commute) or for groceries. But I place somewhere around 100 orders through Amazon and other places a year. The amount of time I save not having to drive around to randomly located stores in my limited free time is hugely helpful.

    1. Re: Life changing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plus you save additional cost of wear and tear on your vehicle for each of those trips, as well as fuel. At $0.54/mi, a $100 membership is equal to around 186 mi/year. Say your average extra distance is 4 mi round trip, that's around 47 trips so if you make more trips than that you're already saving. That neglects cost savings from Amazon compared to local retailers, which is often the case. It doesn't take much to break even even ignoring time savings.

    2. Re:Life changing by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      Exactly. I do a lot of shopping through Amazon and a few other online places and it has been life changing. It is FAR more convenient for me to have stuff delivered for most of what I buy. I still go to stores occasionally for stuff I need Right Now or if it's conveniently located (like on my commute) or for groceries. But I place somewhere around 100 orders through Amazon and other places a year. The amount of time I save not having to drive around to randomly located stores in my limited free time is hugely helpful.

      I'm largely the same...

      I order, most likely. the majority of my purchases these days from Amazon....

      HOWEVER, one thing I cannot ever picture myself doing, is ordering my groceries online.

      I'm trying to eat healthier, and therefore the absolute majority of my items are what you normally find at the edges of the grocery store....veggies, meats, a bit of dairy, and well, here in New Orleans, the grocery stores also sell beer, wine and liquor, so I stock up on those too as needed.

      But I'd never trust someone to look at and pick the BEST produce for me. A smart picker for a store would pick out of rotation and try to pick what has been there the longest, and could spoil quickest.

      When I shop, I spend the time to look at what's freshest (I often make my menus up based on what looks the best at the store or what is on sale that week). I pick the best produce they have to offer.

      When looking at meats, I look for what looks best. Heck, some times, you can look at choice cuts of beef, that actually are marbled as well as prime, and you get a deal.

      So, no...I won't trust anyone to pick my food out for me.

      I cook mostly from scratch, so, I take a great interest in that food I'm cooking.

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  13. Moral high ground? by sjbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not me not ever. I stay away from Amazon as much as possible because I keep reading how they treat their employees like shit.

    Do you avoid buying clothing from overseas sweatshops? Do you only buy produce picked by well paid white people? How consistent are you really about your claims to the moral high ground?

    I'm always puzzled about claims like this which seem more like self aggrandizement rather than a genuine moral stance. If you want to bash Amazon go ahead (plenty to critique) but don't pretend you really are so ethically superior or that you really care about worker conditions.

    1. Re:Moral high ground? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm always puzzled about claims like this which seem more like self aggrandizement rather than a genuine moral stance.

      It's called virtue signalling.

    2. Re:Moral high ground? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That what they said about the nazi protestors before 1939... they are just virtue signalling...

      That they are annoying does not mean the can be right.

      Mr President, there is a funny Hungarian saying about 'throwing the baby out with the bath water'.

    3. Re:Moral high ground? by nagora · · Score: 1

      So your excuse for ignoring these human rights abuses is to say that everyone's doing it? Nice clean hands you have there.

      "I'm always puzzled about claims like this which seem more like self aggrandizement rather than a genuine moral stance."

      Whereas your public proclamation of your own moral superiority is motivated from a desire to be a role model to the youth of the world?

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    4. Re:Moral high ground? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sorry to break it to you mate, but some people really do have ethical standards that aren't just for show.

      If I buy a shirt at Retailer A, I don't really know if it was made in a sweatshop or not. But if I know for a fact that Retailer B uses sweatshops, then my refusal to buy things from B is the correct ethical choice based on the information I have available to me. If I subsequently learn that A also uses sweatshops I should change my position and use C, D or E instead.

      You don't have to spend your days agonising over the possible consequences of minor decisions for which you cannot realistically get the information to make an ethical choice, but you certainly should make a stand against unethical practices when you know of them. You don't have to be perfect to try to push the average upwards.

      In our post-democracy capitalist society the only real way we have of effecting change is choosing where to work and how to spend our money. Unless you think the status quo is ideal, you should be supporting people willing to vote with their wallet.

    5. Re:Moral high ground? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How consistent are you really about your claims to the moral high ground?

      Isn't that a question you should answer for yourself?

      Your claims aren't at all puzzling, they are nothing more than the sneering self-aggrandizing posturing of a deplorable individual who sees others as exploitable victims, as evidenced by your own history.

    6. Re:Moral high ground? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Do you avoid buying clothing from overseas sweatshops? Do you only buy produce picked by well paid white people? How consistent are you really about your claims to the moral high ground?

      Consistency (of this type) is overrated. By your logic, you can never give a dollar to charity, because later he's going to choose to eat a lobster instead of donating everything and living in a shack.

      To recognize that X is bad, and I'm not going to do it, while doing related Y and Z is superior to doing X,Y and Z.

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    7. Re:Moral high ground? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you avoid buying clothing from overseas sweatshops? Do you only buy produce picked by well paid white people? How consistent are you really about your claims to the moral high ground?

      I'm always puzzled about claims like this which seem more like self aggrandizement rather than a genuine moral stance. If you want to bash Amazon go ahead (plenty to critique) but don't pretend you really are so ethically superior or that you really care about worker conditions.

      Who the fuck are you to question someone else's motives? What do you even know to be making these assertions about what others "really care about" in the first place?

      How is saying "Not me not ever. I stay away from Amazon as much as possible because I keep reading how they treat their employees like shit." a statement of "ethical superiority"?

      All pretty whacked channeling on your part. Or to throw it right back at you: Don't pretend you aint no rabid Amazon fanboy.

    8. Re:Moral high ground? by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 1

      Do you avoid buying clothing from overseas sweatshops? Do you only buy produce picked by well paid white people? How consistent are you really about your claims to the moral high ground?

      Yesterday I was walking into the grocery store and noticed a bunch of plastic lawn chairs with stickers on them proudly proclaiming they were made in the USA.

      My first cynical reaction was that they may have been molded here, but where did the plastic resin come from? And then I told myself not to be stupid because we have oil refineries here too.

      But should we really strive to make plastic lawn chairs? Manufacturing plastic lawn chairs is certainly an honest living and I'm sure the people who do it work hard, but is this really the kind of job that Americans should cling to?

      I know that sounds a bit arrogant - as if to say Americans are too good to make plastic lawn chairs but I don't think any kid ever dreamed of working in a factory molding things out of plastic and all the toxic fumes that must come with that,.

  14. Value proposition by sjbe · · Score: 1

    I used to order a lot from Amazon. Their prices were nearly always the lowest, and at the time I didn't have to pay tax.

    Amazon has always had good prices but they never were the lowest if you were willing to do the work of hunting around. The value is that they have (generally) good prices and awesomely broad selection and reliable two day delivery with Prime. Amazon is just hugely convenient compared to most of the alternatives which is why they've been such a success. As for tax you'll just have to get over that. Sales tax is coming to internet sales in one form or another and that won't be just through Amazon.

    some of their business practices irritate me.

    Is there any company that does not fit this description? I haven't found one yet. I guess it depends on what is important to you.

    still order from them but first try finding it somewhere else at a competitive price. And will never pay for Prime.

    Nothing wrong with shopping around if you feel a better deal is important to you. For me I just want a reasonable price and minimal hassle which Amazon is quite good at. As for "never pay for Prime" that's fine too but frankly much of the value of Amazon comes from their Prime service. I find it hugely valuable but your mileage may vary. If I didn't have it I doubt I would order nearly as much from Amazon. I think you need to order something like 50+ deliveries per year to really make it worthwhile. I think last year my average freight charge on Prime deliveries worked out to about $0.72 per delivery. I realize some of the cost is rolled into the product price but even so it is a fantastic deal for me given my shopping preferences.

    1. Re:Value proposition by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      For me I just want a reasonable price and minimal hassle....I think you need to order something like 50+ deliveries per year to really make it worthwhile.

      I strung those parts of your comment together because I think that solely pricing out Prime based on the shipping cost savings seriously underestimates how much it's worth, a point you seem to agree with.

      Time is money. Every time I two-day ship something with prime, that's an hour or two I didn't spend playing scavenger hunt at the local stores. While I want to support them, there's a limit to how much time in my life I want to spend in retail stores. As I get older, it's much less time than when I was young. That's worth paying for, in my opinion.

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  15. 40M More Than Voted For Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No wonder the blowhard is so angry with Bezos.

    1. Re:40M More Than Voted For Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No wonder the blowhard is so angry with Bezos.

      Umm, Hillary lost.

      And your tears are so sweet.

  16. BIG B by ohgary · · Score: 1

    That is ten billion dollars from prime alone.

    1. Re:BIG B by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Prime itself is almost certainly a loss leader though. They're likely losing money on the Prime memberships themselves, whose cost is easily offset by a fairly small number of physical orders. Prime is a method of getting people to do the bulk of their shopping and media consumption at Amazon, not a creator of profit directly.

  17. Convenience, not price by registrations_suck · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Amazon bashing...meh...OK.

    In the meantime...I buy from Amazon more often than not, NOT because they have the lowest price, but simply for the convenience. Into "convenience", I factor in:

    1). Timely shipments.
    2). One-stop shopping.
    3). "Known factor".
    4). Payments and Addresses.
    5). Record of purchases.

    Amazon can get stuff delivered to me in a timely fashion. Two days "free". In the meantime, I ordered something from E-Trailer that is "in stock" on Monday and it is currently scheduled to arrive on Saturday. I leave on my trip on Friday. Had Amazon had it, I would have bought it from them, even if it cost more.

    2). Where else can I get Dr. Pepper Stubbs BBQ sauce, a Bluetooth headphones receiver unit and a box of small Trojan condoms all in one shipment? I mean, that's awesome!

    3). I know what I'm going to get when I order from Amazon. I know they will ship, I know the return policy and that I will not have issues, I know the order system, etc. I don't have to guess how I will be treated, like I do when I order from somewhere new.

    4). They have my payment info. They have my shipping addresses. They have my billing address. I don't have to enter any of that shit again, like I do when ordering from somewhere new. That makes things fast and easy. I can decode I want to order something, to find it on their site and complete my purchase in 60 seconds, in some cases. 2-3 minutes tops in others. Yeah, I will pay extra for that.

    5). I like having my order history in one place. If I wonder, "when did I buy this" or "how much did I pay for this", it is very easy to come up with this information, quickly. If I order from somewhere else, the first thing I have to figure out is "where did I order this from?" Then I go to their site and have to figure out what my login info is. Then if I get logged in, maybe I can find my info, maybe not, depending on how long ago it was. In the meantime - just the other day I was wondering about my headphones and I went on Amazon and quickly determined I got them in 2012 for $500. That made me feel a lot better about ordering a set of replacement earpads for $15 or so.

    So yeah, overall, maybe Amazon doesn't always have the best price. But if Amazon is only a little more than the next guy, I will order from them. If it is an item I can get for $10 at some random place, no, I'm not going to pay $20 at Amazon. But if it is an item I can get for $500 at some random place, then, yeah, sure, I'll pay $510 or maybe $515 from Amazon. If for no other reason than I know I will not have issues returning the item without hassle, if that's what I need to do.

    1. Re:Convenience, not price by willapp · · Score: 1

      I think prime is great value when you consider what you get for £79 per year: - Prime delivery: Okay I can mostly wait 2 - 3 days for shipping, but it is nice to get things next-day at no extra cost. I easily cover the full fee on prime delivery alone. - Prime movies/TV: I don't watch much telly full-stop but a lot of prime content is enough for me not to bother subscribing to Netflix etc. I basically consider this as free content since I get my Prime "value" from the delivery side already.

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    2. Re:Convenience, not price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wearing headphones, and a rubber lubed with Dr. Pepper and Stubbs BBQ sauce must be something new.

    3. Re:Convenience, not price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If BBQ sauce is your thing, you should check out Sweet Baby Ray's. Who knows, it may even be available from Amazon!

    4. Re:Convenience, not price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      /. is slacking. hidden in this wall of text is a +5 funny

    5. Re:Convenience, not price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2). Where else can I get Dr. Pepper Stubbs BBQ sauce, a Bluetooth headphones receiver unit and a box of small Trojan condoms all in one shipment? I mean, that's awesome!

      To be used in one sitting?

    6. Re:Convenience, not price by registrations_suck · · Score: 1

      Wearing headphones, and a rubber lubed with Dr. Pepper and Stubbs BBQ sauce must be something new.

      You need to read more closely.

      It is Dr. Pepper flavoured Stubbs BBQ sauce....not Dr. Pepper AND Stubbs BBQ sauce.

      https://www.amazon.com/Stubbs-...

  18. Use what works for you by sjbe · · Score: 2

    Back in the good old pre-Prime days, Amazon delivered within 2-3 days. Standard.

    And you generally paid a handsome freight charge for it. Yes they are encouraging you to use Prime and prior to Prime I didn't use Amazon much. If you don't like it there are other places to shop and that's totally fine. I don't understand why people get so bent out of shape over something that is 100% optional. If it's valuable to you get a Prime membership. If it is not valuable to you, that's fine too. I don't shop much at Walmart because they don't offer me a value proposition that works for me for example. I don't have a Costco membership because I wouldn't go there often enough to justify it. Use what works for you.

    Unless you pay about as much as a prime subscription for the once-normal 2-3 days. Of course you could also sign up for Prime and get the 2-3 days again for "free"...

    Of course it isn't free. But if you order enough stuff it's really economical. I think my average freight cost last year was something like $0.72 per package which is a darn good deal.

    1. Re:Use what works for you by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      No, I'm dead serious. Until about 3 years ago, I'd get my stuff from Amazon within 2-3 days as standard delivery, free of charge. You could actually ask for overnight for a premium, but 2-3 days was the standard delivery period for Amazon around here.

      Since Prime came along, 2-3 days is the premium ("free" if you have Prime) while standard delivery is between 6 and 15 days.

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    2. Re:Use what works for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they built their services out to where they could handle delivering everything within a couple days with normal pricing, then they moved it behind a paywall and started delaying non-Prime shipments to entice people to sign up. They even admitted it. Look it up.

      And remember to read your terms of service. Prime delivery time is only guaranteed to your local post office, not to your door, even though they never advertise it that way. If you live in a less populated area and complain that all your guaranteed deliveries are late, they ban you from the service.

      I complain because we're actively sliding down these slippery slopes. Prime-supported products cost more. Normal shipping is delayed. Items randomly become Prime-only when you attempt to buy them. Services are falsely advertised. Etc... Amazon isn't the only company doing this. I don't want to live in a world were you need to have a paid subscription from every place you want to buy things from and if you don't you get degraded service or no service at all.

  19. They wont let you cancel immediately by rojash · · Score: 2

    Thats coz the bastards wont let you cancel immediately now, they keep your membership active till the end of the one year and charge you for that period.

    1. Re:They wont let you cancel immediately by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Thats coz the bastards wont let you cancel immediately now, they keep your membership active till the end of the one year and charge you for that period.

      Who cares if they keep it active to the end of the period. You can still just go in right away, say you want to cancel, they tell you it will be cancelled at the end of the trial, and then when the trial is up you don't get charged for membership and shipping is just no longer free. I don't see the problem.

  20. I don't have Prime so I avoid shopping at Amazon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't often use Amazon, because I don't want to wait over a week for my goods to arrive. I'm unhappy that Amazon deliberately increased their delivery times for all non-Prime deliveries.

    For cheap things that I want quickly, Ebay is a lot better than Amazon for me. Most items on Ebay have free delivery anyway.

  21. Perspective by sjbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So your excuse for ignoring these human rights abuses is to say that everyone's doing it? Nice clean hands you have there.

    Never claimed to have clean hands. What I do have is perspective. I'm annoyed by people that pretend to have clean hands with a bogus boycott when their real purpose has nothing to do with worker rights. I'm annoyed by people like you who act all self righteous and try to drag down others despite their own hypocrisy. Or are you going to pretend you are somehow really doing something meaningful about the problem?

    And frankly if you think Amazon is really engaged in "human rights abuses" then you really don't know what the term means. Modestly tougher than average working conditions at a place with 100% voluntary employment isn't exactly what I consider abusive. I've visited literal sweat shops in third world countries so I know what the word means first hand.

    Whereas your public proclamation of your own moral superiority is motivated from a desire to be a role model to the youth of the world?

    Nice strawman. Exactly where did I claim to be a moral paragon? As opposed to you who are trying to drag me down to make yourself look good.

    1. Re:Perspective by nagora · · Score: 1

      "Or are you going to pretend you are somehow really doing something meaningful about the problem?"

      In a capitalist consumer market there is nothing more meaningful than a boycott.

      "Exactly where did I claim to be a moral paragon?"

      Your post is predicated on moral superiority toward someone you accuse, on no real evidence, to be engaging in "self aggrandizement rather than a genuine moral stance".

      "As opposed to you who are trying to drag me down to make yourself look good"

      I don't need to try to drag people like you down.

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    2. Re:Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ten to one says your "boycott" was a private matter until your post upstream. And that means......? It wasn't really a "boycott" for the workers, just some personal reason you don't use Amazon.

    3. Re: Perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it up to him to have the workers boycot? No! He can only control what he can control. And I do the same. No amazon for me. Fuck em.

    4. Re:Perspective by stdarg · · Score: 1

      In a capitalist consumer market there is nothing more meaningful than a boycott.

      Stock ownership?

  22. Thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I read this story title and went SHIT! I forgot to cancel that prime trial!

    I will give kudos to Amazon for making my few days late cancellation easy, and the refund of the money they took automatic. Well, automatic in theory, I've still got to verify it. I was expecting to have to berate some Indian customer service rep, so it was a pleasant surprise.

  23. Fun scam on Twitch with Prime.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For those who don't know, Twitch is the video streaming site targeting more Gamers then general streaming. Broadcasters are able to be tipped with "free" amazon prime subscriptions, something the site pounds into you with constant ads / reminders.

    They neglect to mention Prime isn't actually free but the fun part is streamers abusing free Prime promotions like the student deal. Basically you can keep signing up / renewing your prime "trial". It's led to streamers with absolutely retarded amounts of "subs" (not to be confused with Youtube subs). 50k @ $3.50 each (low end), and you only scratch the surface. There are also 3 tiers of subs for different prices. All targeted at kids.

    tl;dr - Wouldn't trust the 100 Million number. Amazon accounts are botted like any other online service. Twitch has banned streamers for even talking about it.

  24. Re:Don't like 'em much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I stopped using Prime once their prices went up, CS went down and the shipping became horrid. They were great around 5 years ago, but now they are big enough where they don't have to care so much

  25. Location matters? by sjbe · · Score: 1

    No, I'm dead serious. Until about 3 years ago, I'd get my stuff from Amazon within 2-3 days as standard delivery, free of charge.

    Interesting. I wonder if you must have been located close to one of their distribution hubs because I certainly did not have that experience. Free shipping for me without Prime even back in the day took the better part of a week most of the time. Still fine for most items (I'm not usually in a hurry) but not as fast as with Prime. I could pay for faster delivery but it wasn't free or cheap.

    1. Re:Location matters? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Europe. Our postal services work a bit differently. Also, there's insane competition (think of it this way: You have like 20 national postal services that may be no longer national but now, in an open market, all want to grow into the markets of the other 20 postal services, with some independent companies like EMS or UPS thrown in for fun and profit).

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  26. It's just for shipping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have had Prime for a while now and the primary reason is for the free shipping. I have them on my Roku devices as well, but the interface is horrible: it is so strongly aimed at getting you to buy additional movies, that it's badly organized and much more difficult to find the already included with Prime content than it should be.

  27. Amazon is not useful and prime is pointless by WaffleMonster · · Score: 0

    I no longer shop Amazon. Got tired of being messed with and moved on. Would rather deal with eBay or even Walmart which provides the same two day shipping deal for free without no stinking membership fees for general "online" shopping.

    Reasons I stopped using Amazon:

    Ordering something in stock more often than not results in sitting on orders for a week before deciding to ship.

    Not allowing purchase of random items (Including a frigging Starwars DVD) unless I joined their little prime club.

    Not allowing purchase of random low value items due to failing to reach minimum order amount.

    Upselling maze during checkout.

    Affiliate seller feedback and rating system is intentionally designed to be worthless. I can only see 5 items at a time and can't filter by negative feedback or keywords.

    Noncompetitive pricing.

    Annoying search facilities with a borked relevancy filter designed to always find something often leaves me wading through page after page of nonsense only to find out Amazon doesn't have what I want.

    General dislike of Amazon's business practices.

  28. Big numbers by denbesten · · Score: 1

    That is about 1 in 16 households world-wide. Wow. It is also 50% greater than the number of people that voted for the US president in 2016 and are now likely cranked that he is messing with our free shipping. Good thing for him that most are outside of the US and therefore do not get a say in the matter.

    The letter also points out that 5+ Billion items were shipped via prime last year. That is a stack approximating the distance to the moon (with very sloppy math). It is also about 50 items per prime account. Given that each shipment probably averages two items (mine do), I don't think Amazon is losing any money on this deal.

  29. Not me! by antdude · · Score: 1

    I rarely use Amazon to use its subscription. In fact, I hate subscriptions.

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  30. I'm not a Prime member by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know why I would pay for it. It is ZERO benefit to me.

    Last time I ordered about $100 of assorted products and it arrived at my place the very next day, with free shipping.

    Why on earth would I give them a dime more?

  31. What is the applicable population? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
    Having 10^8 subscribers sounds impressive. If you don't look at the rest of the numbers.

    What is the number of people in the markets that Amazon "does" prime in? USA is 3*10^8 ; Europe 7.4*10^8 ; someone mentioned India has Prime service, so that's 13*10^8. I don't know if it's available in Russia - I'll ask Tebya Valentina next time we call her - or in China. But so far that's 1.0*10^8 subscribers out of a population of 23.4*10^8 potential customers. A bit less than 5%.

    Sounds a bit less impressive like that?

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    1. Re:What is the applicable population? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, actually.